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Pinner to get all of the carries w/ the 1st string (1 Viewer)
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paz1
Footballguy
Is Pinner starting for sure vs the Pack?I have not seen an update on KJ for a while.Just wanted to reply to the posts I hadn't seen yet. I guess we'll have to wait until after next Sunday(when Pinner goes off) to bring this up again.Looks like jwvdcw needs his daily Pinner fix.
Rayderr
Footballguy
From rotowireIs Pinner starting for sure vs the Pack?I have not seen an update on KJ for a while.Just wanted to reply to the posts I hadn't seen yet. I guess we'll have to wait until after next Sunday(when Pinner goes off) to bring this up again.Looks like jwvdcw needs his daily Pinner fix.
Another game, another time Pinner outproduces KJ.Pinner: 8 touches for 36 yards(4.5 yards per touch), 0 TDsKJ: 2 touches for 5 yards(2.5 yards per touch), 0 TDsOh yeah but I know what all of you KJ lovers will say already before you even say it........but thats so close that you can't draw any conclusions from that, but KJ has fighting an ankle injury, Pinner didn't do great either.You know what I say to that...so what??!!! Once again, Pinner outproduced KJ. The same as he has done all season long. Is it close? Yes. Does this absolutey prove anything? No. But, has Pinner beaten KJ again? Yes indeed!
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
He wasn't even supposed to play this week...The 6 rushes for 7 yards by Pinner was nice too huh?
All this tells me is that NO Detroit RB is worth a start right now even in very deep leagues. Green Bay's running defense has been a sieve and neither did much at all. Pinner is not the answer. Kevin Jones may not be either but he does at least have the injury excuse. I have neither RB (thankfully). If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one, it would be Jones without a moment's hesitation.
ffball-novice
Footballguy
You've have gone over the edge. You actually came here to proclaim that. Conveniently forgetting to mention that 29 of the yards for Pinner were receiver (unless my live scoring is lieing to me) Rushing Jones 5 yards 2 carries Pinner 7 yards 6 carriesReceiving Pinner 29 yards 2 receptions (one for 26)Combined they don't even make a emergency FF RB for bye weeks.I'm off to NFL.com to see how bad it was.Please give this and your ego a rest.Edited to add carries/receptionsPlease quit trying to lie with statistics. They both are still bad.
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guderian
Footballguy
I didn't think you could get any lower than 23/68 game, but now you're pimping a 6 carries for 7 yards game...The only conclusion one could draw from this game is that they both suck. You are on record NOT for arguing that Pinner is better than Jones, but for arguing that Pinner's a stud. This doesn't exactly back that up.
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Wrong again. Please don't continue to misquote me. I will one more time lay out my opinion, so hopefully everyone will understand.1.I have stated in many many threads that Pinner will outproduce KJ this year. I don't remember one single person agreeing with me. I was called everything from fishing to idiot to 'hey wanna bet on that' to 'man, I wish I could join your league' when I said this. I don't know how on earth you could claim that I'm not on record saying this. I guarantee you that I'm on record in at least 10(yes TEN!!) different threads saying this very thing. I'd look them up, but whats the point if you all are just going to continue to misquote me anyway.2.I said that during the preseason game ,"Watch and you'll see a stud in the making." I guess this is what you're referencing, in which case you are clearly exaggerating what I said. I have made it clear that I believe the team needs to fully give Pinner the starting job before he will produce good numbers. I've never once said that Pinner will be a stud this year.3.I am not 'pimping a 6 carry for 7 yard day'. I am just letting everyone know that once again Pinner outproduced KJ. You all can continue to say, "Well its close and Pinner wasn't great either so it doesn't matter." BUT AFTER IT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN WEEK AFTER WEEK, ALL OF THOSE 'LITTLE' VICTORIES ADD UP TO A CLEARLY BETTER FANTASY FOOTBALL PLAYER.
instead of this constant nonsense.Boy, this might be the best argument against me yet
I'm obnoxious? So I insult people online for no reason? Oh no..that was you. I've been very respectful to everyone in this thread who has shown me respect.I'm ignorant? Oh so I just blindly state an opinion without giving fact based reasons? Oh no...thats you also! Maybe you don't like my side...I can deal with that. But you can't claim that I havn't tried to back it up with facts again and again. You may claim that the facts are so close that its not a run away victory for Pinner, and I'd agree with you. But it still is a victory for Pinner based upon stats.Anyway, this will be my absolute last post to you, as I don't get into immature insult contests online. And if the mods want to delete your post and my response, I have no problem with that at all...stuff like this isn't needed on this message board. Please don't bother to respond.
I'm honestly confused.One person goes against the masses in the preseason. Everyone tells him what an idiont he is. So far, its looking like he has a lot more chance of being right than everyone gave him credit for. All this plus theres a lot of good(from their part and mine) analysis and disucssion here.What on earth is so bad with all of that? Its not like this is petty insults and immaturity(well, theres been some of that but I just havn't responded much so it fades away quickly). This is solid football discussion imo and is what this board is all about.
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
Pinner's been woeful this year. I don't actually believe that you're serious with all your Pinner hype. I think it started as a joke and you saw an opportunity to continue the joke when KJ went down. The joke isn't funny and it's making you look more and more foolish with each mediocre Pinner performance.
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If Pinner is 'woeful', then I'm curious as to what you call KJ?Pinner in that only performance that hes gotten enough carries to actually be considered a #1 RB on the team put up 15 fantasy points against the league's #1 rush defense...I know we've been through this already, so I'll just leave it at that. I don't see how you can call that woeful. I call that a guy who needs a chance to succeed. To top it off, even when he isn't getting a ton of carries, he is still outperforming KJ on a yards per touch or yards per carry basis.
Does your league not give points for receiving yards?GUYS YOU CAN'T IGNORE ALL THE STATS.Same thing last week...many people were like "He only had 20 something carries for 69 yrds..thats not too great". But then they fail to mention(even after I've already said it, just like right here) that he also had a bunch of receiving yard and a TD that week.Lets at least focus on all the stats not just some of them.BTW(and I know that you all will just dismiss this as insignigicant, but I'll say it anyway): I've said all along that while KJ has the better natural skills, Pinner has a better understand of NFL offenses, plays smarter, makes reads better, and is on his toes. He showed my point today when he helped the Lions avoid a costly early turnover by jumping on a Joey Harrington fumble. I'M NOT SAYING THAT KJ COULDN'T HAVE MADE THAT PLAY(seems like I have to say this since I've been misquoted so many times in this thread), but I'm not sure if he would've been as heads up as Pinner, who I have said all along is the 'smarter' football player.I can't believe he is defending a 6 carry for 7 yards Pinner Performance. KJ was/is still injured and only had 2 yards less than Pinner. What's Pinner's excuse?
Nugget
Footballguy
According to 20K contest, which does give pts for receptions and receiveing yards, Pinner is the 34th RB today, with 2 games still to go. I bet Deuce, Moore, Faulk and Pittman all end with more than 5.6 pts. So in a 12 man league, he's not a good RB#3 today. He may have had a better game than K. Jones, but 5.6 pts does not deserve a 7 page thread. Please start something with something positive to say. Your soapbox is rotting.
phrozen
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ok factor in the 2 rec.He got 36 total yards.Does your league not give points for receiving yards?GUYS YOU CAN'T IGNORE ALL THE STATS.Same thing last week...many people were like "He only had 20 something carries for 69 yrds..thats not too great". But then they fail to mention(even after I've already said it, just like right here) that he also had a bunch of receiving yard and a TD that week.Lets at least focus on all the stats not just some of them.BTW(and I know that you all will just dismiss this as insignigicant, but I'll say it anyway): I've said all along that while KJ has the better natural skills, Pinner has a better understand of NFL offenses, plays smarter, makes reads better, and is on his toes. He showed my point today when he helped the Lions avoid a costly early turnover by jumping on a Joey Harrington fumble. I'M NOT SAYING THAT KJ COULDN'T HAVE MADE THAT PLAY(seems like I have to say this since I've been misquoted so many times in this thread), but I'm not sure if he would've been as heads up as Pinner, who I have said all along is the 'smarter' football player.
That changes everything, those 5.6 points really could have helped me. Oh why didn't I draft him up as my RB #2?All hail jwvdcw the all wise and knowing Pinner Pimp 
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Rayderr
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That's right. We can't. Let's look at them shall we?For the 2004 SeasonKJ:33 rushes for 106 yds. 3.21 ypc2 receptions for 47 yds23.5 ypreceptiontotal of 4.37 yptouchPinner:46 carries for 131 yds2.84 ypc9 receptions for 66 yds7.3 ypreceptiontotal of 3.58 yptouch.Remember, jvwdcw says you can't ignore the stats, so we all know who clearly is the top back.
Hurons
Footballguy
Lets take this one more step......Artose Pinner career stats:85 230 2.7 At 25 he looks like a 31 year old Eddie George.......wait Eddie avg 3.7!Lets not forget that in Jan Pinner will be 26 and Jones will be 22Its no wonder the Lions and the rest of the world are higher on Jones than Pinner.Stats.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
This is what it comes down to. When KJ is healthy and getting all the carries he's going to eclipse those 50 odd yards that Pinner has over him in a half. And rest assured that KJ will get all the carries when healthy. Jcwvdwd, You can't seriously think that Pinner has earned the right to be the starter when KJ is healthy?
bump...KJ had a poor first half, but had a nice drive and scored a TD to start the second half.For the first time all year I was impressed with KJ...it does seem as if he is improving. Pinner has not gotten any carries and I havn't seen him in the game once....any Detroit homers know if hes hurt? Unlike many here, I can actually admit when the guy I'm pimping is outperformed. I still maintain that if Pinner got the carries, he'd do better....but I will say KJ played well there.
glad to see you post that after the non-stop Pinner pushingI think KJones could be in for a big 2nd half of the season if they start using him in more packages than they have been.
First of all, I think its humorous that you continue to bash me even when I bump this thread to say something positive about KJ.But heres why I 'think' Pinner is better
inner has had one start. KJ has had quite a few(I think 5, but don't quote me on that). In that one start Pinner put up more fantasy points than KJ did in any of his 5.Other than that(the stats!)....I guess you're right- I have "nothing to back up my reasoning."see my post above. I am not ignoring stats with Pinner/KJ. Because this is a FANTASY FOOTBALL discussion, I am concentrating on stats.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...opic=116454&hl=jwvdcw is really good at ignoring the stats which you really have to do when are you continually pimping Pinner and Vick at this point
ThinkQuick
Footballguy
Are you an NFL scout? Personnel guy at all? Do you know anything about the NFL from a behind the scenes aspect? No. Shut up. You don't know jack about whether one player would be better than the other. I'd love to see you doing talent evaluations for an NFL team.
ThinkQuick
Footballguy
Wow you really are some brain-dead knuckle dragger. This is the FIRST GAME THIS SEASON when KJ has definitely outperformed Pinner. He has failed to do so until this point. Until KJ proves he can do it over the course of the season, shut your mouth. Well in this case, take your fingers off the keyboard.
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
Actually, Jones has had a higher YPC all year.
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apparently you missed my post where I said that KJ impressed me for the first time today and I congratulated him on a good day. I never said that KJ was outperformed by Pinner in every single game. Here are the facts:1.Pinner has started one game. KJ has started 5. Pinner has more fantasy points in his one start than KJ has in any of his starts.2.Pinner has more fantasy points so far this year. Here they are for you:KJ: 218 total yards, 1 TDPinner: 239 total yards, 2 TDsKeep coming at me with your OPINIONS. I'll keep coming back at you with FACTS.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Thanks for the insightful comment, I do appreciate it as do all my fellow knuckle draggers. However you fail to address the posted stats, which don't support the idea that Pinner has outperformed Jones. In fact you could draw the opposite conclusion. It is early yet, and Jones looks to be still suffering from the ankle sprain somewhat - so we'll see what happens when he's totally healthy.Knuckle dragger out.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
The fact is that Jones has a better ypc than Pinner - ie. he does more with his carries than Pinner does in nearly the same number of carries. That tells me he's probably the better back. But you can play it however you want. I have a feeling you'll be dissapointed moving forward.
Brodie8307
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God do you have no friends so all you do all day is pimp Artose M'Fing Pinner? It's the Detriot RB. Who gives a flying F***?! It's Jones' job until he gets hurt again. DEAL WITH IT!!!
God do you have no friends so all you do all day is pimp Artose M'Fing Pinner? It's the Detriot RB. Who gives a flying F***?! It's Jones' job until he gets hurt again. DEAL WITH IT!!!
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