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Pinner to get all of the carries w/ the 1st string (1 Viewer)
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ThinkQuick
Footballguy
I did address it moron. I clearly stated that today KJ outperformed Pinner for the FIRST TIME this year. Perhaps if I had typed it slower for you. Pinner has more FP and has only started once this season. Those are the facts. You can come up with ideas and opinions as to who might be better down the line, but for now, Pinner has been the better fantasy option. You can't disprove that no matter how much you try.
Brodie8307
Footballguy
YOU are the reason this board needs an ignore function. Sweet sassy molassy all you post is garbage!
Fair enough...thank you for admitting that much- Its more than many here will suck up their pride to say.Like I said...I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. I BUMPED THIS THREAD TODAY WITH THE INTENTIONS OF CONGRATULATING KJ ON A GOOD DAY AND SAYING THAT HE LOOKS LIKE HES IMPROVING AND I COULD END UP BEING WRONG. Go read my post! But then everyone came and attacked me...its really absurd. And totally funny since Pinner went on to match KJ's TD today while everyone was attacking me.
I'm sorry you feel that way. However, since you think that I need to be ignored, I will grant your wish: I will no longer read your posts or post anything directed at you. Therefore, if you wish you can totally ignore me. I will not be responding to you again. Thank you for understanding and good luck in this fantasy season.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I'll say it again, Jones is doing more with his carries than Pinner - much of it on a sprained ankle. That along with actually watching these guys play makes me think Jones is the better running back.Pinner may have more fantasy points (depends on your scoring system), but I don't think he's the better back, and so far the stats don't support him as the better back - I thought that was the main focus of this thread.You might want to check your hostile/antagonistic tone - it's against board policy and you could get banned for it.
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As for the injury, its worth noting that KJ did absolutely while he was healthy, so its not like he was steadily improving each week and then this injury totally set him back.Since you're actually a reasonable guy, who is capable of having a reasonable discussion, let me ask you this: What has KJ done ON THE PRO LEVEL that makes you think that hes going to turn it around? Moreover, what has he done compared to what Pinner has done that shows he is any better ON THE PRO LEVEL?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Watching both backs play Jones looks like a better back than Pinner - that really is the main thing for me.Jones's ypc is better, he really only had two and a half games prior to his injury, so saying he basically did nothing prior to his injury isn't saying anything.Additionally why would Detroit continue to start him, even when he's hurt, if he wasn't better than Pinner? Sure teams make mistakes every now and then, but by and large they start the best guy on the roster.The sample size is too small still, I'll trust my eyes and say Jones will end up being better than Pinner.
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EastBayFunk
Footballguy
Pinner is utter garbage. He was averaging a paltry 2.8 YPC going into today's game and had done absolutely nothing to hint that he's starter material.Jones had a good game against the Texans in week two and broke off two game-changing runs today against the Giants. He's already shown big play ability with three plays of over 20 yards in his career. He's averaging more yards/touch than Pinner. He's a flat out better back. Anyone with some sense will see as much.
These types of posts I hate. And them make me appriciate Groovus, who has actually made some solid posts.'Pinner is garbage'- OK, you obviously have no intention of having a real discussion here. Insults with no objective analysis to back it up."He was averaging a paltry 2.8 YPC going into today's game and had done absolutely nothing to hint that he's starter material."- at least you raise one fact, I'll give you that much. Congrats."Jones had a good game against the Texans in week two "- So against the 26th ranked rush defense he managed close to 60 total(thats rec and rush) yards and 0 TDs...hardly a 'good' game imo. 6 fantasy points! Thats nothing special. Pinner scored 15 fantasy points 2 weeks later btw."He's already shown big play ability with three plays of over 20 yards in his career"- Yes KJ is more of a big play threat, while Pinner is more of a grinder that wears down defenses. I'll admit to this."He's a flat out better back. Anyone with some sense will see as much."- Again with the insults. So I have no sense because I have a differing opinion? If you truly have a good case, you'll make your point using solid arguments and facts, without personal attacks on me or on Pinner, as you have done. Using personal attacks is a sign that you don't have a good argument.
Fair enough. I'll make a few counter arguments....-KJ started 3 games, getting inured in the 3rd. Thast more than 1 1/2 games.-Detroit is starting him because they spent a high first round choice on him and they want to see if he develops. He has more upside than Pinner, and they want to see if he will develop. I don't think he will, and I definitely think Pinner is better right now. Your argument here is akin to saying that Carson Palmer is better than Kitna right now because Cincy is playing him.-When does the sample size become big enough? I posted after a few weeks, and you all said the same thing. Well, now we've played 7 weeks- almost 1/2 a season!
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
There's no real reason to use good arguments against you because you've shown no ability to comprehend them. I don't value your opinion because you've proven time and time again that it's worthless. Who cares that Pinner has more fantasy points? He's had far more touches than Jones. Jones has done more with the touches he's received and that's really what's important. Kevin Jones is a better back than Artose Pinner. This will become clear over the course of the coming weeks and years. I'm done wasting my time on you.
I have been very receptive to good points and arguments. Look at how I've dealt with Groovus. Or look at how I've bumped my own thread today to give props to KJ!"Who cares that Pinner has more fantasy points?"Umm...thats a tough one there...Let me think a while about it. Oh! I got it! How about.....all of us here on this FANTASY FOOTBALL message board."Kevin Jones is a better back than Artose Pinner"Once again...great facts there to backup your argument.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Again, there IS NO WAY he believes what he types about Pinner. He's just doing it to ruffle some feathers. As long as you guys keep responding, he will gladly keep fueling the fire. Can't you see he's LOVING THIS !! I quit responding to the Pinner/Jones post for this very reason. I would think the sharks on this board would know this by now.
Geez....I feel bad for you. You are so misinformed. Heres a little hint: Instead of just spouting off random statements that might make your argument look better, actually research and use facts. Here they are:Using the basic 1pt/10 yard rush, 1pt/10 yards rec, 1pt/rec, 6pt/TD formula:KJ: 48 touches, 29 fantasy points...average of .6 fantasy points per touchPinner: 65 touches, 46 fantasy points...average of .7 fantasy points per touch
Why do you continue to say this? I'm honestly curious.I would understand if any of the following were true:1.Pinner hadn't outperformed KJ. In other words if I was claiming something ridiculous like Duckett was better than Dunn so far or Dayne better than Barber.2.I don't regular contribute to this board. I start good discussions all the time. I'm not doing this to brag, but just to show you this is true. Here are a few examples(feel free to search my posts to see more for yourself): here, here, and here. All of these are just from the past week or so, so you can clearly see that I'm not just some fisherman trying to mess with people. I thoroughly enjoy the NFL and I like to debate things.3.If I was purposefully being insulting or if I was trying to get under people's skin. The exact opposite has been true in fact! Despits several posters making personal attacks at me, I've been very classy in this thread.4.If I wasn't able to at least acknowledge some people's points. I bumped this thread today just to give props to KJ! That should show that I'm not close-minded on the issue. Moreover, with people who are actually making solid arguments and not insulting me, I am repeatedly saying things like "fair enough", "good points", "I see what you're saying", etc.Again, there IS NO WAY he believes what he types about Pinner. He's just doing it to ruffle some feathers. As long as you guys keep responding, he will gladly keep fueling the fire. Can't you see he's LOVING THIS !! I quit responding to the Pinner/Jones post for this very reason. I would think the sharks on this board would know this by now.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Not true...Jones outperformed Pinner in the first two games of the season when they both played...get your facts straight...now this is the third game that Jones has outpeformed him on a fantasy level and in the game itself...Also, no need to be disrepectful either man. It justs downgrades any possible point you might have.
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ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
No need to be offensive dude...be repsectful...
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Well said...
This is true, but its so minimal that it doesn't really matter. For example, KJ had 15 more yards on 10 more carries in week 1. Neither were worth a fantasy start.Each back has had one performance where I could actually argue that they were worth a fantasy start. Pinner had one in the one game he started. KJ had one(today) in the 5 games hes started. And Pinner's was better.Nevertheless, you are correct that Pinner was outperformed in those first two weeks.Basically, its very close right now, and neither has done enough to really warrant starting on a fantasy team.Peronally, I believe that if Pinner got the full time gig(as he did that one week) then he'd be a viable #2 RB, just as he was that week(I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'm almost positive he was at the very least a top 15 RB in the week in which he got his one start).
cstu
Footballguy
What don't you understand? The Lions obviously knew KJ was better or they wouldn't have traded UP to get him. I'll be objective here - Pinner is a guy with some ability. However, he is not a game-breaker like KJ. I know that, the Lions know, everyone looking at the draft in April knew that, and everyone on this board EXCEPT YOU knows that. Sure, Pinner hasn't bad too bad, but we all know that barring injury the job is KJ's for a reason - he's better. Pinner is not an NFL stud RB and will never be one. What do you see in this guy that no one - including his own team - does?
Why is this 'well said'?KJ played in college on a very good team and got tons of national TV exposure. He looked good.Pinner, meanwhile, played on a poor team in a tough conference, and put up great numbers, but didn't get the attention due to all of this.In addittion, Pinner had some off field and injury issues that dropped him down to the 4th round. I recall hearing some say that he could've easily been an early 2nd/late 1st round pick just like KJ was.I really don't understand why everyone here has this crazy assumption that KJ has this all world talent while Pinner is just some late round scrub who works hard but doesn't have much talent.And this guy is totally off base in saying that I have 'nothing to back up my reasoning other than I THINK Pinner is better.' That is crazy. If anything, I could say that about the KJ supporters! I have been the one trying to focus on objective stats and not subjective opinions all along. How on earth can I be accused of this?
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
It's not true and thank you for admitting it in this quote by saying that Pinner was outperformed in the first two games. Earlier in this post you said that it never happened all year...Now you are admitting he was outperformed the first two games that they both played in. Jones will get stronger as the season goes on.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
How did he do today on that run from the 2 yard line??????????? Good evaluation.I think its no secret that KJ's biggest weakness is short yardage situations. He often bounces runs to the outside, which results in loss of yards.Yeah, but Pinner got that touchdown. He pounded the ball all the way down the field from the Atlanta 2 into the endzone. Just look at his numbers from that drive alone :Carries : 3
Yards : 2
TDs : 1
YPC : 0.67
You're trying to tell me that bust Kevin Jones would have been able to punch it in like that ???? FOOLS !!!
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Is he still a bust??? 13 carries 65 yards 5.0 ypc 1 td...I will ask you this every week he does well which should be many week til the end of the year...-Pinner is a stud in the making- This all depends upon the definition of stud. My definition is that any 2nd/3rd round pick is a stud, so I'd say a top 20 RB is a stud. If you don't believe this, then obviously you can modify my statment to fit your definition of stud.-KJ is a bust- I stand by this statement. Prove me wrong.-The Detroit coaching staff is stupid. I was clearly just speaking about their decision to start KJ over Pinner, but I obviously don't think I'm smarter than them. Just as people critisize Mike Martz but they probably don't think that they could do a better job coaching the Rams. Perhaps I overstated here, as I'm just a little frusterated by their stubborness in playing KJ. I can admit that I was wrong to say that though. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.Lets see what you have saidinner is a stud in the makingJones is a bustThe Detroit Lions (3-1) coaches are stupid.
I think my post above addresses some of what you raise here. Pinner does have talent and could've been a high round draft choice. Its a total myth that he doesn't have talent.You're right that hes not a gamebreaker with great speed. Hes more in the mold of a C Mart, J Bettis, S Davis. That doesn't mean he still can't turn out to be a darn good football player.The Lions traded up to get KJ because they were unsure about Pinner and because their styles go well together- Pinner the bruiser, KJ the longshot threat. Many teams try this, and after a while it becomes clear who the better back is. Sometimes its the smaller quicker guy(Dunn over Duckett, Barber over Dayne); Sometimes its the bigger guy(Droughns over Griffin, S Davis over Skip Hicks).As for your 'well the Lions must know that KJ is better if they would draft him while they still had Pinner': Giants spent an early first round pick on Dayne when they had Barber, Ravens spent an early first rounder on Lewis when they had Priest Holmes, Jets spent a first rounder on Jordan while they had C Mart...I could go on and on. It doesn't mean as much as you think. Theres injuries in today's NFL, and having 2 good backs is a luxury that many teams try for. Recent super bowl teams such as TB, Carolina, NE, and Oak have had a RBBC, so perhaps thats what they were trying to emulate.
So because he picked up one 2 yard run that means that hes great at it? Sure he did good there. But do you really want to argue one of KJ's biggest weaknesses vs on of Pinner's biggest strengths(inside running)?How did he do today on that run from the 2 yard line??????????? Good evaluation.I think its no secret that KJ's biggest weakness is short yardage situations. He often bounces runs to the outside, which results in loss of yards.Yeah, but Pinner got that touchdown. He pounded the ball all the way down the field from the Atlanta 2 into the endzone. Just look at his numbers from that drive alone :Carries : 3
Yards : 2
TDs : 1
YPC : 0.67
You're trying to tell me that bust Kevin Jones would have been able to punch it in like that ???? FOOLS !!!
Yes he is still a bust. 65 total yards(rush and rec) is the most he has had all year. Thats not what you expect from a 1st round pick whom you practically try to force the starting job on.You think he'll improve....I can respect that. I even said earlier that I was a little more impressed today with KJ and that I saw some improvement. I can admit that he has some potential...I never said he doesn't. I just can see him being a bust as well, thats all.Is he still a bust??? 13 carries 65 yards 5.0 ypc 1 td...I will ask you this every week he does well which should be many week til the end of the year...-Pinner is a stud in the making- This all depends upon the definition of stud. My definition is that any 2nd/3rd round pick is a stud, so I'd say a top 20 RB is a stud. If you don't believe this, then obviously you can modify my statment to fit your definition of stud.-KJ is a bust- I stand by this statement. Prove me wrong.-The Detroit coaching staff is stupid. I was clearly just speaking about their decision to start KJ over Pinner, but I obviously don't think I'm smarter than them. Just as people critisize Mike Martz but they probably don't think that they could do a better job coaching the Rams. Perhaps I overstated here, as I'm just a little frusterated by their stubborness in playing KJ. I can admit that I was wrong to say that though. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.Lets see what you have said
cstu
Footballguy
Pinner is a bruiser - :rotflmao: Nice way to say that he's big and slow. Which RB would you rather have one that is 5-10, 229, runs a 4.56, was named All-America honorable mention by CNN/SI as a college senior, and is almost 27or one that is 5-11, 221, runs a 4.38, was Ranked the nation's top high school player in 2000, was named a first-team All-American by the Football Writers Association of America as a junior, and just turned 22?Basically KJ has shown that he's a great player on every level of football he's played on. Pinner had one good year in college. Think what you want but these are the facts.
Good argument, I'll give you that.And no, I'm not saying that hes big and slow any more than guys like S Davis, J Bettis, or C Mart were big and slow.The thing is though...all of those awards were non-NFL things. In the NFL the little things(vision, reading blocks, etc.) mean a lot more because everyone is a great athlete. In HS or college, future pros are often the only great athletes on the field and they don't need those things.So yes, you're right that KJ has a better HS and college resume(although I still maintain that he was helped tremendously by playing on a much much better offense than Pinner) than Pinner."Basically KJ has shown that he's a great player on every level of football he's played on. "except the NFL
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Just making a point that he did well today in that area...that's all...So because he picked up one 2 yard run that means that hes great at it? Sure he did good there. But do you really want to argue one of KJ's biggest weaknesses vs on of Pinner's biggest strengths(inside running)?How did he do today on that run from the 2 yard line??????????? Good evaluation.I think its no secret that KJ's biggest weakness is short yardage situations. He often bounces runs to the outside, which results in loss of yards.Yeah, but Pinner got that touchdown. He pounded the ball all the way down the field from the Atlanta 2 into the endzone. Just look at his numbers from that drive alone :Carries : 3
Yards : 2
TDs : 1
YPC : 0.67
You're trying to tell me that bust Kevin Jones would have been able to punch it in like that ???? FOOLS !!!
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Great arguement...
cstu
Footballguy
Here's my point: if KJ throughout his football life has impressed everyone that has seen him play up until the age of 22 and Pinner - who is over 4 1/2 years older - has not garnered that kind of attention, what is your reasoning for him being more likely than KJ of being a good NFL back? You've been comparing a 26 1/2 year old RB in his 2nd year in the NFL to a just-turned 22 rookie RB who is still learning the system and has had ankle problems. For them to be roughly equal in production so far suggests that KJ is better. I have absolutely nothing against Pinner, for all I know he could make a very good RB, but everything suggests that KJ is better than Pinner based on what they have each done so far.Good argument, I'll give you that.And no, I'm not saying that hes big and slow any more than guys like S Davis, J Bettis, or C Mart were big and slow.The thing is though...all of those awards were non-NFL things. In the NFL the little things(vision, reading blocks, etc.) mean a lot more because everyone is a great athlete. In HS or college, future pros are often the only great athletes on the field and they don't need those things.So yes, you're right that KJ has a better HS and college resume(although I still maintain that he was helped tremendously by playing on a much much better offense than Pinner) than Pinner."Basically KJ has shown that he's a great player on every level of football he's played on. "except the NFL
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I just don't get why JWVJEJSYS doesn't give this argument up before KJ is 100%. Pinner only has a few yards more than KJ and 1 more TD and he's been the many guy for a few games while KJ has been injured. Pinner has done NOTHING to even be mentioned in the same breath as KJ in terms of skill. He's been given a golden opportunity and squandered it. Shaun Alexander was given a similar opportunity a couple years ago and ran with it. Mewelde Moore is doing well with his chance this year. Droughns has done well in his two shots (3rd being tonight). Pinner hasn't done anything with the gift that has landed in his lap.KJ had a couple of carries in week 6. This week he has 13 carries to Pinner's 9. Next week I expect something like 16 carries to Pinner's 5 or 6. After that Pinner is an after thought. In the next couple of weeks, Pinner will still be sitting on 200+ yards and a couple of TD's, while KJ will be on his way to making JWVWSHER look like some fool that pimped a guy for 9 pages who has 200 yards and 2 TD's after week 7 
Good luck with that....
Good luck with that....fair enoughJust making a point that he did well today in that area...that's all...So because he picked up one 2 yard run that means that hes great at it? Sure he did good there. But do you really want to argue one of KJ's biggest weaknesses vs on of Pinner's biggest strengths(inside running)?How did he do today on that run from the 2 yard line??????????? Good evaluation.I think its no secret that KJ's biggest weakness is short yardage situations. He often bounces runs to the outside, which results in loss of yards.Yeah, but Pinner got that touchdown. He pounded the ball all the way down the field from the Atlanta 2 into the endzone. Just look at his numbers from that drive alone :Carries : 3
Yards : 2
TDs : 1
YPC : 0.67
You're trying to tell me that bust Kevin Jones would have been able to punch it in like that ???? FOOLS !!!
Based on what I've seen with my own eyes in training camp and in the games- thats basically why I have the opinion that I do.I think Pinner does a lot of the little things that go unnoticed but contribute in making a good RB. I think KJ is missing some of those things. I realize that is subjective. Everything before the season was subjective.But now that Pinner has actually played better than KJ(by a small margin, granted), I am even more sure of my position."You've been comparing a 26 1/2 year old RB in his 2nd year in the NFL to a just-turned 22 rookie RB who is still learning the system and has had ankle problems. For them to be roughly equal in production so far suggests that KJ is better."Or it suggests that the coaching staff has done everything possible to give KJ the job and let him succeed. They didn't even have a #######' training camp battle! They just gave him the job!Here's my point: if KJ throughout his football life has impressed everyone that has seen him play up until the age of 22 and Pinner - who is over 4 1/2 years older - has not garnered that kind of attention, what is your reasoning for him being more likely than KJ of being a good NFL back? You've been comparing a 26 1/2 year old RB in his 2nd year in the NFL to a just-turned 22 rookie RB who is still learning the system and has had ankle problems. For them to be roughly equal in production so far suggests that KJ is better. I have absolutely nothing against Pinner, for all I know he could make a very good RB, but everything suggests that KJ is better than Pinner based on what they have each done so far.Good argument, I'll give you that.And no, I'm not saying that hes big and slow any more than guys like S Davis, J Bettis, or C Mart were big and slow.The thing is though...all of those awards were non-NFL things. In the NFL the little things(vision, reading blocks, etc.) mean a lot more because everyone is a great athlete. In HS or college, future pros are often the only great athletes on the field and they don't need those things.So yes, you're right that KJ has a better HS and college resume(although I still maintain that he was helped tremendously by playing on a much much better offense than Pinner) than Pinner."Basically KJ has shown that he's a great player on every level of football he's played on. "except the NFL
agreed that they looked terrible yesterday. Although the Chiefs make everyone look bad(look at what they did to Baltimore on MNF), theres not a lot I can say to defend them here.But I still think that they'll finish as a top 5 rushing unit. And lets not forget that although 8 TDs is bad, their yardage was bad but not as terrible. 8 TDs was more of 'dumb luck' of their WRs happening to get tackled at the 2 yard line 8 times in a row imo.
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I think this is a very misinformed post...." he's been the many guy for a few games while KJ has been injured...He's been given a golden opportunity and squandered it. "Pinner has started one game. KJ has started EVERY OTHER LIONS GAME THIS SEASON.IN PINNER'S ONE START, HE PUT UP MORE FANTASY POINTS THAT KJ HAS PUT UP IN ANY OF HIS NUMEROUS STARTS." Pinner only has a few yards more than KJ and 1 more TD and he's been the many guy for a few games while KJ has been injured."First of all, as I said above, Pinner was 'the many guy' for ONE game. And in that one game he did more than KJ has done in any game. I absolutely don't understand what you're trying to argue here. Moreover, you make it sound as if KJ has outperformed Pinner in his opportunities. Here are the numbers I already posted on page 8:KJ: 48 touches, 29 fantasy points...average of .6 fantasy points per touchPinner: 65 touches, 46 fantasy points...average of .7 fantasy points per touch "Pinner hasn't done anything with the gift that has landed in his lap."If outplaying the starter is not doing anything, then I guess you're right....otherwise, I have no clue where you are coming from."In the next couple of weeks, Pinner will still be sitting on 200+ yards and a couple of TD's, while KJ will be on his way to making JWVWSHER look like some fool that pimped a guy for 9 pages who has 200 yards and 2 TD's after week 7I just don't get why JWVJEJSYS doesn't give this argument up before KJ is 100%. Pinner only has a few yards more than KJ and 1 more TD and he's been the many guy for a few games while KJ has been injured. Pinner has done NOTHING to even be mentioned in the same breath as KJ in terms of skill. He's been given a golden opportunity and squandered it. Shaun Alexander was given a similar opportunity a couple years ago and ran with it. Mewelde Moore is doing well with his chance this year. Droughns has done well in his two shots (3rd being tonight). Pinner hasn't done anything with the gift that has landed in his lap.KJ had a couple of carries in week 6. This week he has 13 carries to Pinner's 9. Next week I expect something like 16 carries to Pinner's 5 or 6. After that Pinner is an after thought. In the next couple of weeks, Pinner will still be sitting on 200+ yards and a couple of TD's, while KJ will be on his way to making JWVWSHER look like some fool that pimped a guy for 9 pages who has 200 yards and 2 TD's after week 7
"Thanks for misspelling my name on purpose- really needed that there. Anyway, you could be right- The Lions staff could indeed make the mistake of going with KJ full time. However, I really doubt that he'll produce more than Pinner has or will on a per touch basis or a total basis(if they continue to split time). You could be right- I have no problem saying that(but it seems that you do).
Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
I've officially dubbed you:MVAPPimp
BTW - How is it you haven't bumped the "Vick is the best" thread from a couple weeks back? It's all good though. I saw the post a couple of pages back where you acknowledged KJ's performance yesterday. Glad to see some objectivity mixed in with all this.
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
Oh, you mean that 13 point performance against Atlanta where Pinner got 24 touches? KJ got just 13 touches this week and came 1 point short of that 13 point barrage...Oh, yeah and that's class pointing out a spelling error and then griping about me mispelling that nonsensical list of letters that is your name.
Oh, how I hate hypocrites. HATE them....Outplaying? Being fractionally better than an injured player is not outplaying. That's keeping his seat warm until he's healthy and then that chump of yours goes right back where he belongs, the end of the Lions' Bench.
That's funny. He scored 12 points yesterday on 13 touches which is .9 points per touch. Pinner's best output was 13 points on 24 touches for .54 points per touch. Yeah, no way KJ can outscore Pinner.
All of your arguments are based on .6 vs. .7 or the 13 pts in the game Pinner started over the 12 points in KJ's best, and seemingly, most healthy output. Considering that Pinner has had a year in the program and is healthy why exactly is he only putting up 13 points in a start? Then when the Rookie is nearing health being relegated to a backup role? Could it be that you know more than the Lions Coaching Staff and have some insight on why he should be starting over KJ that's not being displayed on the field? If so, by all means fly to Detroit and school that NFL coaching staff on the Fundamentals of .6 vs. .7 and 12 vs. 13 so they will see the light and start that chump. This thread is going to be hilarious for the next few weeks!!! I can't wait...Facenda's Voice
Footballguy
You mean this thread will be hilarious for the next few years
If he only knew.... If he only knew how this looks....
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Thanks for the props in recognizing that I am trying to be fair and objective here.The Vick discussion kind of died down because we were at an impass: I was touting wins/losses, others only looked at stats.This, on the other hand, is all about stats, so we can keep track of it.I've officially dubbed you:MVAPPimp
Where did I point out a spelling error?You misspelling my name wrong ON PURPOSE can only be viewed as disrespectful on my part. How else do you want me to think of that? Its not too hard to look at my name and type it. Otherwise, I just consider it rude. You could just not mention my name in your post(instead say 'you').Oh, yeah and that's class pointing out a spelling error and then griping about me mispelling that nonsensical list of letters that is your name.
LOL...ok, well yeah you could pick out specific touches and say how KJ has done better. I could do that for any player. I could show you how Blaylock is a ton better than LT2 because in a few SPECIFIC touches, he outperformed LT2.Overall, Pinner has more points per touch. Thats taking everything into account.But, really thats not even important here. In fantasy football all thats important is how much you can score in one week(since you have to pick a starter each week). A fantasy player would've only realistically played Pinner once this year since thats the only week he started: And that week he would've gotten 14 points.A fantasy player would've started KJ a bunch of times since he was starting a bunch of times...he would've gotten terrible results from KJ and never better than Pinner's one week.Thats all that really matters- fantasy owners worry about results not potentiality.That's funny. He scored 12 points yesterday on 13 touches which is .9 points per touch. Pinner's best output was 13 points on 24 touches for .54 points per touch. Yeah, no way KJ can outscore Pinner.
I've heard this point time and time again. AND I'VE ADDRESED IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN.I won't spend a lot of time on it again.I'll just say that by your same logic Carson Palmer is a better pro QB RIGHT NOW for this season than Jon Kitna because the expert staff of the Cincy Bengals is playing him. See how flawed that is?
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