Pope Francis 12.17.36 - 4.21.25 (1 Viewer)

[Leroy Hoard]

what is an NGO?

per the urban dictionary:ngo To not be able to handle one's own alcohol and then passing out on the couch."You totally NGO'ed at that party man, so we decided to draw a penis on your face."

 

[B-Deep]

what is an NGO?

per the urban dictionary:ngo To not be able to handle one's own alcohol and then passing out on the couch."You totally NGO'ed at that party man, so we decided to draw a penis on your face."

Well I have to applaud him on his colorful metaphor thenthat kind of rules

 

[NCCommish]

what is an NGO?

Non-Governmental Organization. Doctors without Borders would be one example.

 

[Psychopav]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In his first public Mass, Pope Francis urged the Catholic Church on Thursday to stick to its roots and shun modern temptations, warning that it would become just "a compassionate NGO" if it forgot its true mission.The Argentinian pope, addressing cardinals in the Sistine Chapel where he was elected pontiff on Wednesday, said the Church should be more focused on the Gospels of Jesus Christ."We can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a Church which is the bride of Christ," he said, speaking in Italian without notes."He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."Francis took the helm of the 1.2 billion-member Church at a time of strife and intrigue, with the Vatican rocked by a string of sex abuse scandals, by accusations of infighting within its central government and by allegations of financial wrongdoing."We must always walk in the presence of the Lord, in the light of the Lord, always trying to live in an irreprehensible way," he said in a heartfelt homily of a parish priest, loaded with biblical references and simple imagery."When we walk without the cross, when we build without the cross and when we proclaim Christ without the cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly," he said."We may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, all of this, but we are not disciples of the Lord," he said.He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said.His sermon was a stark contrast to that of his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who read out his first homily in Latin in 2005, establishing his broad vision for Church.Benedict abdicated last month, saying he no longer had the strength to lead the world's largest organization.

Very This guy could turn out to be very good. We need someone dynamic right now to get out the gospel message. Color me happy to hear this.

 

[dutch]

NGO=Non-Governmental Organization. Many NGO's exist to help a social cause of some kind such as women's health or enivironmental issues. My wife works with an environmental NGO which has run cleanup campaigns in some areas of her home country and is currently pushing to institute environmental science classes in universities. Worthy cause but difficult to gain and keep funding as you need grants from corporations, individuals and sometimes from aid programs offered by some countries.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

My link

 

[B-Deep]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In his first public Mass, Pope Francis urged the Catholic Church on Thursday to stick to its roots and shun modern temptations, warning that it would become just "a compassionate NGO" if it forgot its true mission.The Argentinian pope, addressing cardinals in the Sistine Chapel where he was elected pontiff on Wednesday, said the Church should be more focused on the Gospels of Jesus Christ."We can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a Church which is the bride of Christ," he said, speaking in Italian without notes."He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."Francis took the helm of the 1.2 billion-member Church at a time of strife and intrigue, with the Vatican rocked by a string of sex abuse scandals, by accusations of infighting within its central government and by allegations of financial wrongdoing."We must always walk in the presence of the Lord, in the light of the Lord, always trying to live in an irreprehensible way," he said in a heartfelt homily of a parish priest, loaded with biblical references and simple imagery."When we walk without the cross, when we build without the cross and when we proclaim Christ without the cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly," he said."We may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, all of this, but we are not disciples of the Lord," he said.He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said.His sermon was a stark contrast to that of his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who read out his first homily in Latin in 2005, establishing his broad vision for Church.Benedict abdicated last month, saying he no longer had the strength to lead the world's largest organization.

Very This guy could turn out to be very good. We need someone dynamic right now to get out the gospel message. Color me happy to hear this.

It is hard to reach out to people with different religious views when you think they pray to the devil

 

[Jewell]

"He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil."

I had no clue that I'm secretly a devil worshipper.

 

[Psychopav]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In his first public Mass, Pope Francis urged the Catholic Church on Thursday to stick to its roots and shun modern temptations, warning that it would become just "a compassionate NGO" if it forgot its true mission.The Argentinian pope, addressing cardinals in the Sistine Chapel where he was elected pontiff on Wednesday, said the Church should be more focused on the Gospels of Jesus Christ."We can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a Church which is the bride of Christ," he said, speaking in Italian without notes."He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."Francis took the helm of the 1.2 billion-member Church at a time of strife and intrigue, with the Vatican rocked by a string of sex abuse scandals, by accusations of infighting within its central government and by allegations of financial wrongdoing."We must always walk in the presence of the Lord, in the light of the Lord, always trying to live in an irreprehensible way," he said in a heartfelt homily of a parish priest, loaded with biblical references and simple imagery."When we walk without the cross, when we build without the cross and when we proclaim Christ without the cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly," he said."We may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, all of this, but we are not disciples of the Lord," he said.He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said.His sermon was a stark contrast to that of his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who read out his first homily in Latin in 2005, establishing his broad vision for Church.Benedict abdicated last month, saying he no longer had the strength to lead the world's largest organization.

Very This guy could turn out to be very good. We need someone dynamic right now to get out the gospel message. Color me happy to hear this.

It is hard to reach out to people with different religious views when you think they pray to the devil

How so?

 

[B-Deep]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In his first public Mass, Pope Francis urged the Catholic Church on Thursday to stick to its roots and shun modern temptations, warning that it would become just "a compassionate NGO" if it forgot its true mission.The Argentinian pope, addressing cardinals in the Sistine Chapel where he was elected pontiff on Wednesday, said the Church should be more focused on the Gospels of Jesus Christ."We can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a Church which is the bride of Christ," he said, speaking in Italian without notes."He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."Francis took the helm of the 1.2 billion-member Church at a time of strife and intrigue, with the Vatican rocked by a string of sex abuse scandals, by accusations of infighting within its central government and by allegations of financial wrongdoing."We must always walk in the presence of the Lord, in the light of the Lord, always trying to live in an irreprehensible way," he said in a heartfelt homily of a parish priest, loaded with biblical references and simple imagery."When we walk without the cross, when we build without the cross and when we proclaim Christ without the cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly," he said."We may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, all of this, but we are not disciples of the Lord," he said.He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said.His sermon was a stark contrast to that of his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who read out his first homily in Latin in 2005, establishing his broad vision for Church.Benedict abdicated last month, saying he no longer had the strength to lead the world's largest organization.

Very This guy could turn out to be very good. We need someone dynamic right now to get out the gospel message. Color me happy to hear this.

It is hard to reach out to people with different religious views when you think they pray to the devil

How so?

Generally when you tell someone they pray to the devil, or that their god is the devil, it tends to close some communication linespeople are funny that way

 

[Psychopav]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In his first public Mass, Pope Francis urged the Catholic Church on Thursday to stick to its roots and shun modern temptations, warning that it would become just "a compassionate NGO" if it forgot its true mission.The Argentinian pope, addressing cardinals in the Sistine Chapel where he was elected pontiff on Wednesday, said the Church should be more focused on the Gospels of Jesus Christ."We can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a Church which is the bride of Christ," he said, speaking in Italian without notes."He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."Francis took the helm of the 1.2 billion-member Church at a time of strife and intrigue, with the Vatican rocked by a string of sex abuse scandals, by accusations of infighting within its central government and by allegations of financial wrongdoing."We must always walk in the presence of the Lord, in the light of the Lord, always trying to live in an irreprehensible way," he said in a heartfelt homily of a parish priest, loaded with biblical references and simple imagery."When we walk without the cross, when we build without the cross and when we proclaim Christ without the cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly," he said."We may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, all of this, but we are not disciples of the Lord," he said.He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said.His sermon was a stark contrast to that of his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who read out his first homily in Latin in 2005, establishing his broad vision for Church.Benedict abdicated last month, saying he no longer had the strength to lead the world's largest organization.

Very This guy could turn out to be very good. We need someone dynamic right now to get out the gospel message. Color me happy to hear this.

It is hard to reach out to people with different religious views when you think they pray to the devil

How so?

Generally when you tell someone they pray to the devil, or that their god is the devil, it tends to close some communication linespeople are funny that way

OK. I wasn't sure what you were saying.Was he talking to those people, or was he speaking to an audience of believers? Or do you think he should use the same words to everyone regardless of where they're coming from?Put another way, it's hard to motivate believers if you water down the message. That tends to close some communication lines as well.

 

[B-Deep]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In his first public Mass, Pope Francis urged the Catholic Church on Thursday to stick to its roots and shun modern temptations, warning that it would become just "a compassionate NGO" if it forgot its true mission.

The Argentinian pope, addressing cardinals in the Sistine Chapel where he was elected pontiff on Wednesday, said the Church should be more focused on the Gospels of Jesus Christ.

"We can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a Church which is the bride of Christ," he said, speaking in Italian without notes.

"He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."

Francis took the helm of the 1.2 billion-member Church at a time of strife and intrigue, with the Vatican rocked by a string of sex abuse scandals, by accusations of infighting within its central government and by allegations of financial wrongdoing.

"We must always walk in the presence of the Lord, in the light of the Lord, always trying to live in an irreprehensible way," he said in a heartfelt homily of a parish priest, loaded with biblical references and simple imagery.

"When we walk without the cross, when we build without the cross and when we proclaim Christ without the cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly," he said.

"We may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, all of this, but we are not disciples of the Lord," he said.

He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said.

His sermon was a stark contrast to that of his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who read out his first homily in Latin in 2005, establishing his broad vision for Church.

Benedict abdicated last month, saying he no longer had the strength to lead the world's largest organization.

Very This guy could turn out to be very good. We need someone dynamic right now to get out the gospel message. Color me happy to hear this.

It is hard to reach out to people with different religious views when you think they pray to the devil

How so?

Generally when you tell someone they pray to the devil, or that their god is the devil, it tends to close some communication linespeople are funny that way

OK. I wasn't sure what you were saying.Was he talking to those people, or was he speaking to an audience of believers? Or do you think he should use the same words to everyone regardless of where they're coming from?

Put another way, it's hard to motivate believers if you water down the message. That tends to close some communication lines as well.

Well i would guess non believers hear his first message as pope, and when it tells them they are devil worshipers it is a poor messageand if they are devil worshipers and he won't say it to them, that raises its own questions.

 

[NCCommish]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In his first public Mass, Pope Francis urged the Catholic Church on Thursday to stick to its roots and shun modern temptations, warning that it would become just "a compassionate NGO" if it forgot its true mission.The Argentinian pope, addressing cardinals in the Sistine Chapel where he was elected pontiff on Wednesday, said the Church should be more focused on the Gospels of Jesus Christ."We can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a Church which is the bride of Christ," he said, speaking in Italian without notes."He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."Francis took the helm of the 1.2 billion-member Church at a time of strife and intrigue, with the Vatican rocked by a string of sex abuse scandals, by accusations of infighting within its central government and by allegations of financial wrongdoing."We must always walk in the presence of the Lord, in the light of the Lord, always trying to live in an irreprehensible way," he said in a heartfelt homily of a parish priest, loaded with biblical references and simple imagery."When we walk without the cross, when we build without the cross and when we proclaim Christ without the cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly," he said."We may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, all of this, but we are not disciples of the Lord," he said.He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said.His sermon was a stark contrast to that of his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who read out his first homily in Latin in 2005, establishing his broad vision for Church.Benedict abdicated last month, saying he no longer had the strength to lead the world's largest organization.

Very This guy could turn out to be very good. We need someone dynamic right now to get out the gospel message. Color me happy to hear this.

It is hard to reach out to people with different religious views when you think they pray to the devil

How so?

Generally when you tell someone they pray to the devil, or that their god is the devil, it tends to close some communication linespeople are funny that way

OK. I wasn't sure what you were saying.Was he talking to those people, or was he speaking to an audience of believers? Or do you think he should use the same words to everyone regardless of where they're coming from?Put another way, it's hard to motivate believers if you water down the message. That tends to close some communication lines as well.

He was talking to the world. And he insulted over a billion people of both other Abrahamic faiths who don't pray to Jesus. He needs to remember when he speaks every word is going to be carried to everyone not just the faithful.

 

[Psychopav]

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - In his first public Mass, Pope Francis urged the Catholic Church on Thursday to stick to its roots and shun modern temptations, warning that it would become just "a compassionate NGO" if it forgot its true mission.The Argentinian pope, addressing cardinals in the Sistine Chapel where he was elected pontiff on Wednesday, said the Church should be more focused on the Gospels of Jesus Christ."We can walk all we want, we can build many things, but if we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, something is wrong. We would become a compassionate NGO and not a Church which is the bride of Christ," he said, speaking in Italian without notes."He who does not pray to the Lord prays to the devil. When we don't proclaim Jesus Christ, we proclaim the worldliness of the devil, the worldliness of the demon."Francis took the helm of the 1.2 billion-member Church at a time of strife and intrigue, with the Vatican rocked by a string of sex abuse scandals, by accusations of infighting within its central government and by allegations of financial wrongdoing."We must always walk in the presence of the Lord, in the light of the Lord, always trying to live in an irreprehensible way," he said in a heartfelt homily of a parish priest, loaded with biblical references and simple imagery."When we walk without the cross, when we build without the cross and when we proclaim Christ without the cross, we are not disciples of the Lord. We are worldly," he said."We may be bishops, priests, cardinals, popes, all of this, but we are not disciples of the Lord," he said.He said those who build on worldly values instead of spiritual values were like children building sand castles on a beach. "Then everything comes crashing down," he said.His sermon was a stark contrast to that of his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who read out his first homily in Latin in 2005, establishing his broad vision for Church.Benedict abdicated last month, saying he no longer had the strength to lead the world's largest organization.

Very This guy could turn out to be very good. We need someone dynamic right now to get out the gospel message. Color me happy to hear this.

It is hard to reach out to people with different religious views when you think they pray to the devil

How so?

Generally when you tell someone they pray to the devil, or that their god is the devil, it tends to close some communication linespeople are funny that way

OK. I wasn't sure what you were saying.Was he talking to those people, or was he speaking to an audience of believers? Or do you think he should use the same words to everyone regardless of where they're coming from?Put another way, it's hard to motivate believers if you water down the message. That tends to close some communication lines as well.

He was talking to the world. And he insulted over a billion people of both other Abrahamic faiths who don't pray to Jesus. He needs to remember when he speaks every word is going to be carried to everyone not just the faithful.

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

 

[NCCommish]

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

I doubt he would take my advice. See I would say he needs to clean up the church bank, he needs to open it up and he needs to allow prosecutions to take place instead of sending the former Popes butler to jail for revealing the issue amongst others. I would say he needs to come out and forcefully reject the behavior that led to the kiddie scandal and run those involved in the cover up out of the church. Hang some heads on the wall as it were. That's off the top of my head. But hey go with shoving a stick into the eye of the other major religions, that is far more productive I'm sure.

 

[Psychopav]

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

I doubt he would take my advice. See I would say he needs to clean up the church bank, he needs to open it up and he needs to allow prosecutions to take place instead of sending the former Popes butler to jail for revealing the issue amongst others. I would say he needs to come out and forcefully reject the behavior that led to the kiddie scandal and run those involved in the cover up out of the church. Hang some heads on the wall as it were. That's off the top of my head. But hey go with shoving a stick into the eye of the other major religions, that is far more productive I'm sure.

Sounds like you expect him to accomplish quite a bit on his first day.Have you given any thought to what he might say to you about your moral choices?

 

[Plorfu]

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

I doubt he would take my advice. See I would say he needs to clean up the church bank, he needs to open it up and he needs to allow prosecutions to take place instead of sending the former Popes butler to jail for revealing the issue amongst others. I would say he needs to come out and forcefully reject the behavior that led to the kiddie scandal and run those involved in the cover up out of the church. Hang some heads on the wall as it were. That's off the top of my head. But hey go with shoving a stick into the eye of the other major religions, that is far more productive I'm sure.

Sounds like you expect him to accomplish quite a bit on his first day.Have you given any thought to what he might say to you about your moral choices?

Relative to the moral choice to systematically cover up child sodomy and molestation, or, like, drinking and smoking and stuff in a vacuum?

 

[Mister CIA]

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

I doubt he would take my advice. See I would say he needs to clean up the church bank, he needs to open it up and he needs to allow prosecutions to take place instead of sending the former Popes butler to jail for revealing the issue amongst others. I would say he needs to come out and forcefully reject the behavior that led to the kiddie scandal and run those involved in the cover up out of the church. Hang some heads on the wall as it were. That's off the top of my head. But hey go with shoving a stick into the eye of the other major religions, that is far more productive I'm sure.

Sounds like you expect him to accomplish quite a bit on his first day.Have you given any thought to what he might say to you about your moral choices?

Sounds like you want me to lower my expectations.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

I doubt he would take my advice. See I would say he needs to clean up the church bank, he needs to open it up and he needs to allow prosecutions to take place instead of sending the former Popes butler to jail for revealing the issue amongst others. I would say he needs to come out and forcefully reject the behavior that led to the kiddie scandal and run those involved in the cover up out of the church. Hang some heads on the wall as it were. That's off the top of my head. But hey go with shoving a stick into the eye of the other major religions, that is far more productive I'm sure.

Sounds like you expect him to accomplish quite a bit on his first day.Have you given any thought to what he might say to you about your moral choices?

Sounds like you want me to lower my expectations.

You should not. The guy has a direct line to God.

 

[Apple Jack]

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

I doubt he would take my advice. See I would say he needs to clean up the church bank, he needs to open it up and he needs to allow prosecutions to take place instead of sending the former Popes butler to jail for revealing the issue amongst others. I would say he needs to come out and forcefully reject the behavior that led to the kiddie scandal and run those involved in the cover up out of the church. Hang some heads on the wall as it were. That's off the top of my head. But hey go with shoving a stick into the eye of the other major religions, that is far more productive I'm sure.

Sounds like you expect him to accomplish quite a bit on his first day.Have you given any thought to what he might say to you about your moral choices?

Sounds like you want me to lower my expectations.

You should not. The guy has a direct line to God.

Joliet Jake and Elwood said the same thing.

 

[badmojo1006]

Here is Pope John Paul II in a batting cage. He is good

 

[NCCommish]

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

I doubt he would take my advice. See I would say he needs to clean up the church bank, he needs to open it up and he needs to allow prosecutions to take place instead of sending the former Popes butler to jail for revealing the issue amongst others. I would say he needs to come out and forcefully reject the behavior that led to the kiddie scandal and run those involved in the cover up out of the church. Hang some heads on the wall as it were. That's off the top of my head. But hey go with shoving a stick into the eye of the other major religions, that is far more productive I'm sure.

Sounds like you expect him to accomplish quite a bit on his first day.

Have you given any thought to what he might say to you about your moral choices?

Why would I possibly care? I don't believe in his God and I don't think the Catholic Church has much moral high ground on which to stand and judge anyone. I didn't assist in the felonious sexual assault of boys so I put me ahead of them. And no I don't expect him to do all that on day one but I would expect it to be a high priority and get mentioned.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Here is Pope John Paul II in a batting cage. He is good

 

[HellToupee]

Here is Pope John Paul II in a batting cage. He is good

Gene Greytak was raking

 

[B-Deep]

Serious question I may not get an answer to...

how much power DOES the pope have?

does he have complete and total autonomy over doctrine?

Could the new pope come out tomorrow and...

1) say preists can marry

2) say homosexuality is no longer a sin

3) Say Jesus was not infallible when he was on earth?

I am trying to gauge if he can singlehandley set "policy" type rules and/or if he can actually change parts of the...i dunno, theological beliefs of the church...if that is the right turn of phrase

this is not to make some point, this is not to say he should, this is just curiosity on how it works

 

[NCCommish]

Serious question I may not get an answer to...how much power DOES the pope have?does he have complete and total autonomy over doctrine?Could the new pope come out tomorrow and...1) say preists can marry2) say homosexuality is no longer a sin3) Say Jesus was not infallible when he was on earth?I am trying to gauge if he can singlehandley set "policy" type rules and/or if he can actually change parts of the...i dunno, theological beliefs of the church...if that is the right turn of phrasethis is not to make some point, this is not to say he should, this is just curiosity on how it works

I don't think he could do any of that by fiat. But he could get the discussion going.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Here is Pope John Paul II in a batting cage. He is good

Gene Greytak was raking

Ah man, I was hoping it was more real than the Jeff Gordon bit

 

[Sinn Fein]

Serious question I may not get an answer to...how much power DOES the pope have?does he have complete and total autonomy over doctrine?Could the new pope come out tomorrow and...1) say preists can marry2) say homosexuality is no longer a sin3) Say Jesus was not infallible when he was on earth?I am trying to gauge if he can singlehandley set "policy" type rules and/or if he can actually change parts of the...i dunno, theological beliefs of the church...if that is the right turn of phrasethis is not to make some point, this is not to say he should, this is just curiosity on how it works

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

 

[B-Deep]

Serious question I may not get an answer to...how much power DOES the pope have?does he have complete and total autonomy over doctrine?Could the new pope come out tomorrow and...1) say preists can marry2) say homosexuality is no longer a sin3) Say Jesus was not infallible when he was on earth?I am trying to gauge if he can singlehandley set "policy" type rules and/or if he can actually change parts of the...i dunno, theological beliefs of the church...if that is the right turn of phrasethis is not to make some point, this is not to say he should, this is just curiosity on how it works

I don't think he could do any of that by fiat. But he could get the discussion going.

interestingif he said "god told me last night priests can and should marry" people would/could challenge him?

 

[timschochet]

Just curious, perhaps some Catholics here can enlighten me: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

 

[Psychopav]

Serious question I may not get an answer to...how much power DOES the pope have?does he have complete and total autonomy over doctrine?Could the new pope come out tomorrow and...1) say preists can marry2) say homosexuality is no longer a sin3) Say Jesus was not infallible when he was on earth?I am trying to gauge if he can singlehandley set "policy" type rules and/or if he can actually change parts of the...i dunno, theological beliefs of the church...if that is the right turn of phrasethis is not to make some point, this is not to say he should, this is just curiosity on how it works

I don't think he could do any of that by fiat. But he could get the discussion going.

interestingif he said "god told me last night priests can and should marry" people would/could challenge him?

I would expect so.

 

[Psychopav]

Any other advice for the new pope? Hey, maybe you should connect with B XVI on it. I hear he has Francis' ear.

I doubt he would take my advice. See I would say he needs to clean up the church bank, he needs to open it up and he needs to allow prosecutions to take place instead of sending the former Popes butler to jail for revealing the issue amongst others. I would say he needs to come out and forcefully reject the behavior that led to the kiddie scandal and run those involved in the cover up out of the church. Hang some heads on the wall as it were. That's off the top of my head. But hey go with shoving a stick into the eye of the other major religions, that is far more productive I'm sure.

Sounds like you expect him to accomplish quite a bit on his first day.

Have you given any thought to what he might say to you about your moral choices?

Why would I possibly care? I don't believe in his God and I don't think the Catholic Church has much moral high ground on which to stand and judge anyone. I didn't assist in the felonious sexual assault of boys so I put me ahead of them. And no I don't expect him to do all that on day one but I would expect it to be a high priority and get mentioned.

From what I've heard so far, he is pretty challenging, both now and in the past. This pope is clearly going to shake up the infrastructure. You may not see it from the outside, and I'm not sure any of us should care whether you do or not. He picked "Francis" for a reason, and everything I'm hearing so far is that this guy could be a true reformer.But one thing I can practically guarantee is that if you have a completely different world view (which you do), you should not expect the reform to conform to your perspective.

 

[Psychopav]

Francis to Argentinians: Instead of Traveling to Rome, Donate to Poor

Pope Francis suggested to the people of his homeland today that, instead of coming to Rome for the inauguration of his pontificate on March 19, they make a charity offering to the poor.

The apostolic nuncio in Argentina, Archbishop Emil Paul Tscherrig, related this suggestion in a message sent on the Holy Father's behalf to the dioceses of his homeland.

When Jorge Bergoglio was made a cardinal in 2001, he made the same request.

"Excellence: I have the honor and pleasure to address you to let you know that the Holy Father Francis has asked me to transmit to all the bishops, priests, men and women religious, and all the people of God, his serene gratitude for the prayers and expressions of tenderness, affection and charity he has received," said the nuncio's message.

"At the same time, instead of coming to Rome for the beginning of his pontificate on March 19, he would like them to continue with their much appreciated spiritual closeness, accompanying it with a gesture of charity to the neediest," he stressed.

The nuncio sent the text of this notification to all the dioceses of the country.

Naturally, because of Argentina's great distance from Rome, the cost of traveling is not small, and hence, Francis' concern.

Meanwhile, the archbishopric of Buenos Aires confirmed to AICA news agency that Auxiliary Bishop Joaquín Sucunza, vicar general of Buenos Aires in charge of the archdiocese’s pastoral government, spoke with Pope Francis by telephone today.

 

[B-Deep]

Serious question I may not get an answer to...how much power DOES the pope have?does he have complete and total autonomy over doctrine?Could the new pope come out tomorrow and...1) say preists can marry2) say homosexuality is no longer a sin3) Say Jesus was not infallible when he was on earth?I am trying to gauge if he can singlehandley set "policy" type rules and/or if he can actually change parts of the...i dunno, theological beliefs of the church...if that is the right turn of phrasethis is not to make some point, this is not to say he should, this is just curiosity on how it works

I don't think he could do any of that by fiat. But he could get the discussion going.

interestingif he said "god told me last night priests can and should marry" people would/could challenge him?

I would expect so.

i sincerly hope this does not seem argumentativebut I would think if god told the pope something people would listen. If he proposed married priests, and the church rejects it, wouldn't that make it hard to believe he has some direct input from god?It actually makes more sense to me for one person not to have too much control, but i was not sure that was how it worked

 

[B-Deep]

Francis to Argentinians: Instead of Traveling to Rome, Donate to Poor

Pope Francis suggested to the people of his homeland today that, instead of coming to Rome for the inauguration of his pontificate on March 19, they make a charity offering to the poor.

The apostolic nuncio in Argentina, Archbishop Emil Paul Tscherrig, related this suggestion in a message sent on the Holy Father's behalf to the dioceses of his homeland.

When Jorge Bergoglio was made a cardinal in 2001, he made the same request.

"Excellence: I have the honor and pleasure to address you to let you know that the Holy Father Francis has asked me to transmit to all the bishops, priests, men and women religious, and all the people of God, his serene gratitude for the prayers and expressions of tenderness, affection and charity he has received," said the nuncio's message.

"At the same time, instead of coming to Rome for the beginning of his pontificate on March 19, he would like them to continue with their much appreciated spiritual closeness, accompanying it with a gesture of charity to the neediest," he stressed.

The nuncio sent the text of this notification to all the dioceses of the country.

Naturally, because of Argentina's great distance from Rome, the cost of traveling is not small, and hence, Francis' concern.

Meanwhile, the archbishopric of Buenos Aires confirmed to AICA news agency that Auxiliary Bishop Joaquín Sucunza, vicar general of Buenos Aires in charge of the archdiocese’s pastoral government, spoke with Pope Francis by telephone today.

his apparent dedication to the poor and humble way of living are definitively attractive

 

[CrossEyed]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

 

[timschochet]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

 

[NCCommish]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.

 

[timschochet]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.

OK, thanks. So it means that Christians need to be more vocal about their faith?

 

[CrossEyed]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

I'm not certain of what exactly he might mean, but I'm guessing from what I've heard him say so far that he's probably referring to the humility and service that was displayed by Christ on the cross, and that those qualities should be what marks our lives as Christians. Here was God in the flesh, and He submitted Himself to being beaten, tortured, berated, and ultimately killed by people from whom He deserved worship. When we proclaim Christ without the cross, we ignore or downplay the role of servanthood and humility in our own lives.

 

[NCCommish]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.

OK, thanks. So it means that Christians need to be more vocal about their faith?

I think it means they need to be more old school about their faith.

 

[timschochet]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

I'm not certain of what exactly he might mean, but I'm guessing from what I've heard him say so far that he's probably referring to the humility and service that was displayed by Christ on the cross, and that those qualities should be what marks our lives as Christians. Here was God in the flesh, and He submitted Himself to being beaten, tortured, berated, and ultimately killed by people from whom He deserved worship. When we proclaim Christ without the cross, we ignore or downplay the role of servanthood and humility in our own lives.

Thanks. That seems to be different from what NC suggested. If you're correct, isn't it also a bit of a departure from the traditional Catholic stance? I though the Catholics were all about the grandeur of Christ- hence the beautiful cathedrals and Vatican city, etc. Didn't the Protestants break away because they believed in a more humble Christ? Or is that too simplistic?

 

[Sinn Fein]

i sincerly hope this does not seem argumentativebut I would think if god told the pope something people would listen. If he proposed married priests, and the church rejects it, wouldn't that make it hard to believe he has some direct input from god?It actually makes more sense to me for one person not to have too much control, but i was not sure that was how it worked

See the link above - the Pope does have the power to issue decrees that would not be able to be challenged. But, that power is used very infrequently.The Pope is the Big Kahuna, and his opinion would carry a lot of weight. But, the Catholic Church is the world's largest bureaucracy - and apparently the real power lies in the secret gay cabal inside the Vatican. The last Pope to openly defy the curia was Pope John Paul I - see how long he lasted before the curia decided they needed another option.*So, if the Pope came out and said Priests should marry - he wouldn't actually ever do that - it would be met with great resistance within the church hierarchy. As near as I can tell, Pope Francis is very traditional in his beliefs, and would follow centuries-long tradition and dogma.Where he is a breath of fresh air is in potentially cleaning up some of the mess in Vatican City - I was reading an article today that suggested the vote essentially fell to him as an anyone-but-an-italian. SO, maybe as an outsider he can create a change in culture within the hierarchy that sets the stage for a more progressive Pope in a few generations. I would not lose sight of the fact that like them, or hate them, the Catholic Church has built itself up as one of the richest organizations in the world by weathering worse storms than this - and primarily sticking to its gospel-based message. *Ok so I made that part up, but if memory serves, there was an issue at the Vatican Bank around the time of JPI's papacy, and there were rumors that his untimely demise was not the result of a natural death.

 

[CrossEyed]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

I'm not certain of what exactly he might mean, but I'm guessing from what I've heard him say so far that he's probably referring to the humility and service that was displayed by Christ on the cross, and that those qualities should be what marks our lives as Christians. Here was God in the flesh, and He submitted Himself to being beaten, tortured, berated, and ultimately killed by people from whom He deserved worship. When we proclaim Christ without the cross, we ignore or downplay the role of servanthood and humility in our own lives.

Thanks. That seems to be different from what NC suggested. If you're correct, isn't it also a bit of a departure from the traditional Catholic stance? I though the Catholics were all about the grandeur of Christ- hence the beautiful cathedrals and Vatican city, etc. Didn't the Protestants break away because they believed in a more humble Christ? Or is that too simplistic?

I don't know that we can ever separate the grandeur of Christ from the humility of Christ, because the compete picture would have to include both. But since His followers are not God, we should only reflect His humility and service in our own lives. As for the reformation, there were a lot of reasons. But I think that, generally speaking, the reformers felt that the church had become corrupt and worldly and were calling for a return to biblical Christianity.

 

[B-Deep]

i sincerly hope this does not seem argumentativebut I would think if god told the pope something people would listen. If he proposed married priests, and the church rejects it, wouldn't that make it hard to believe he has some direct input from god?It actually makes more sense to me for one person not to have too much control, but i was not sure that was how it worked

See the link above - the Pope does have the power to issue decrees that would not be able to be challenged. But, that power is used very infrequently.The Pope is the Big Kahuna, and his opinion would carry a lot of weight. But, the Catholic Church is the world's largest bureaucracy - and apparently the real power lies in the secret gay cabal inside the Vatican. The last Pope to openly defy the curia was Pope John Paul I - see how long he lasted before the curia decided they needed another option.*So, if the Pope came out and said Priests should marry - he wouldn't actually ever do that - it would be met with great resistance within the church hierarchy. As near as I can tell, Pope Francis is very traditional in his beliefs, and would follow centuries-long tradition and dogma.Where he is a breath of fresh air is in potentially cleaning up some of the mess in Vatican City - I was reading an article today that suggested the vote essentially fell to him as an anyone-but-an-italian. SO, maybe as an outsider he can create a change in culture within the hierarchy that sets the stage for a more progressive Pope in a few generations. I would not lose sight of the fact that like them, or hate them, the Catholic Church has built itself up as one of the richest organizations in the world by weathering worse storms than this - and primarily sticking to its gospel-based message. *Ok so I made that part up, but if memory serves, there was an issue at the Vatican Bank around the time of JPI's papacy, and there were rumors that his untimely demise was not the result of a natural death.

yeah i did not mean to say this guy would or shouldperhaps I should have used different examplesI was just curious what he had the power to do

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.

OK, thanks. So it means that Christians need to be more vocal about their faith?

I think it means they need to be more old school about their faith.

Like bringing back slavery old school or just treating women as 2nd class citizens old school?

 

[NCCommish]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.

OK, thanks. So it means that Christians need to be more vocal about their faith?

I think it means they need to be more old school about their faith.

Like bringing back slavery old school or just treating women as 2nd class citizens old school?

Probably the latter over the former.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.

OK, thanks. So it means that Christians need to be more vocal about their faith?

I don't think it means so much that as that he is calling on the Church to put Jesus's example(and presumably His ministry) first. From what I've read of the speech, he seems to be suggesting that people within the Church have striven to preserve and grow the Church for its own sake. Some unscrupulously to preserve their power perhaps. Some to achieve ends of social justice. The speech suggests that both of those ends are empty ("like sandcastles") when divorced from the primary purpose of the Church. Spreading Christ's message.Obviously not my thing, but it seemed a sensible thing for a Pope to say to his audience.

 

[NCCommish]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.

OK, thanks. So it means that Christians need to be more vocal about their faith?

I don't think it means so much that as that he is calling on the Church to put Jesus's example(and presumably His ministry) first. From what I've read of the speech, he seems to be suggesting that people within the Church have striven to preserve and grow the Church for its own sake. Some unscrupulously to preserve their power perhaps. Some to achieve ends of social justice. The speech suggests that both of those ends are empty ("like sandcastles") when divorced from the primary purpose of the Church. Spreading Christ's message.Obviously not my thing, but it seemed a sensible thing for a Pope to say to his audience.

Yeah pretty much every sermon about preaching the cross, going way back, is about a church that needs to not be so tolerant or accepting of others religion and to make sure everyone knows they are about the crucified Christ. He seemed to back that view up with the whole "praying to the devil bit". I think people want him to be more than he is. But this is the guy whose reign as Archbishop was called a return to the Inquisition by people who were there. He is going to be the antithesis of the American Catholic and he is not going to help this church grow. I hadn't realized it but they are already losing Latin American market share to the Protestants. Grow or wither.

 

[Psychopav]

I've actually been somewhat impressed by this pope so far. I still think the RC church's teaching on justification (among other things) is unbiblical, but I appreciate his emphasis on service and his examples of humility.

Maybe you can answer my question: when he said "When we proclaim Christ without the cross"- what does that mean?

It's a reference to preaching the crucified Christ regardless of who is offended.

OK, thanks. So it means that Christians need to be more vocal about their faith?

I think it means they need to be more old school about their faith.

It means they are too comfortable in their lives. They lack the suffering which is integral to sacrificial love. It's not about what they preach it's about how they live.