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Post season: Who ya Buying?/Who ya Selling? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Matt's Eagles
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loose circuits
Footballguy
I agree with this. I'm trying to sell him and can't even get a 2013 4th. He should be worth more than that based off the skills he showed in the passing game
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
Bump....
Geekjock
Footballguy
Great topic
QB –
BUY - Agreed on Jay Cutler. There will be a lot of negative news releases this off-season about Brandon Marshall and the Forte situation. They’ll only help to lower Cutler’s asking price. His offense is improving and I believe once the season starts all the drama will melt away and production will rise into the top-15 to top-12 levels he’s capable of.
SELL – Michael Vick. There’s going to be enough of a prospector’s market on Vick this year that you could get a bounty in return. There’s always those few guys out there who are willing to over-extend for the players they think will leap up the charts to a top-3 performance the following year. Make them pay.
RB –
BUY – DeMarco Murray burned enough people last year that he may be in that sweet spot for buying – on a guy’s roster who bought into Murray at the crest, was disappointed, and is now willing to take 70% of what they paid for him in a sale. He’s still got the factors that made him a temporary stud last year and he’ll get another chance to carry the Cowboys running game on his shoulders.
SELL – Fred Jackson will be the target of some owner who thinks he’s angling a steal. Possibly this owner also has Spiller on his roster. I like Fred Jackson. I like the feel-good story that he’s become over the last few years. But there’s enough factors working against him returning to top-10 production that it’s worth cashing in now while he’s probably at the highest value he’ll see.
WR –
BUY – The obvious answers may be Kenny Britt or Demaryius Thomas, but I’m much more interested in working a little harder to get Miles Austin. There’s a general shadow of doubt cast over Austin after a shoddy season plagued with injury. You’re taking the risk that his hamstrings will flare up again, but if he can make it back to game shape, he’s still a top-10 receiver candidate in the prime of his career. When healthy he’s Romo’s reliable down-field target.
SELL – Heck, sell Demaryius Thomas. Someone’s going to pop for him! Pierre Garcon? Nobody’s really itching to get him either though. There’s not a top sucker bait at WR for me right now.
QB –
BUY - Agreed on Jay Cutler. There will be a lot of negative news releases this off-season about Brandon Marshall and the Forte situation. They’ll only help to lower Cutler’s asking price. His offense is improving and I believe once the season starts all the drama will melt away and production will rise into the top-15 to top-12 levels he’s capable of.
SELL – Michael Vick. There’s going to be enough of a prospector’s market on Vick this year that you could get a bounty in return. There’s always those few guys out there who are willing to over-extend for the players they think will leap up the charts to a top-3 performance the following year. Make them pay.
RB –
BUY – DeMarco Murray burned enough people last year that he may be in that sweet spot for buying – on a guy’s roster who bought into Murray at the crest, was disappointed, and is now willing to take 70% of what they paid for him in a sale. He’s still got the factors that made him a temporary stud last year and he’ll get another chance to carry the Cowboys running game on his shoulders.
SELL – Fred Jackson will be the target of some owner who thinks he’s angling a steal. Possibly this owner also has Spiller on his roster. I like Fred Jackson. I like the feel-good story that he’s become over the last few years. But there’s enough factors working against him returning to top-10 production that it’s worth cashing in now while he’s probably at the highest value he’ll see.
WR –
BUY – The obvious answers may be Kenny Britt or Demaryius Thomas, but I’m much more interested in working a little harder to get Miles Austin. There’s a general shadow of doubt cast over Austin after a shoddy season plagued with injury. You’re taking the risk that his hamstrings will flare up again, but if he can make it back to game shape, he’s still a top-10 receiver candidate in the prime of his career. When healthy he’s Romo’s reliable down-field target.
SELL – Heck, sell Demaryius Thomas. Someone’s going to pop for him! Pierre Garcon? Nobody’s really itching to get him either though. There’s not a top sucker bait at WR for me right now.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Buy:
Kyle Rudolph - The Vikings were pretty vocal about Rudolph stepping up this year and it should be cheap to take a chance on a Ponder/Rudolph connection.
Cutler - Don't pay too much for him, but if the price is right give him a look and hope the Bears solve the o-line problem. Cutler to Marshall is back.
Kevin Smith - Seems like a 3rd string RB at first glance. Someone between LeShoure and Best will not make it through game 3.
Daniel Thomas - If the Dolphins are rebuilding, why would the new coaching staff go with Reggie Bush?
Rookie pick 1.04 - Should be safe slot to grab RGIII.
Sell:
Brandon Lloyd - The Patriots fit is fool's gold. This will not be a Randy Moss/Tom Brady connection. OchoStinko is still on this team and will take some reps from Lloyd. Don't forget about Welker and Gronk. Expect fewer targets in 2012 with no qualms from Lloyd because the veteran's in this system know their role.
Darrius Heyward Bey - Some people do not remember that DHB was given the opportunity to do well last year because of the multiple injuries to Jacoby Ford. Palmer seriously under-threw a deep pass and Ford strained to come back to the ball when Ford went down the second time last year. All of a sudden, there are three viable targets in Oakland. Jacoby Ford may be the more natural receiver of the two.
Mendenhall - Take what you can get for him.
Kyle Rudolph - The Vikings were pretty vocal about Rudolph stepping up this year and it should be cheap to take a chance on a Ponder/Rudolph connection.
Cutler - Don't pay too much for him, but if the price is right give him a look and hope the Bears solve the o-line problem. Cutler to Marshall is back.
Kevin Smith - Seems like a 3rd string RB at first glance. Someone between LeShoure and Best will not make it through game 3.
Daniel Thomas - If the Dolphins are rebuilding, why would the new coaching staff go with Reggie Bush?
Rookie pick 1.04 - Should be safe slot to grab RGIII.
Sell:
Brandon Lloyd - The Patriots fit is fool's gold. This will not be a Randy Moss/Tom Brady connection. OchoStinko is still on this team and will take some reps from Lloyd. Don't forget about Welker and Gronk. Expect fewer targets in 2012 with no qualms from Lloyd because the veteran's in this system know their role.
Darrius Heyward Bey - Some people do not remember that DHB was given the opportunity to do well last year because of the multiple injuries to Jacoby Ford. Palmer seriously under-threw a deep pass and Ford strained to come back to the ball when Ford went down the second time last year. All of a sudden, there are three viable targets in Oakland. Jacoby Ford may be the more natural receiver of the two.
Mendenhall - Take what you can get for him.
Crazysight
Footballguy
"Brandon Lloyd - The Patriots fit is fool's gold. This will not be a Randy Moss/Tom Brady connection. OchoStinko is still on this team and will take some reps from Lloyd. Don't forget about Welker and Gronk. Expect fewer targets in 2012 with no qualms from Lloyd because the veteran's in this system know their role."
You mean in Josh McDaniel's system??? Yeah, I think Brandon Lloyd knows that pretty darn well. He'll have fewer targets due to the other talented players he's surrounded by, but will have more success with those targets because of the improved quarterback play.
Brady made both Gronk and Welker into top 3 WR/TEs last year (the top 3 WR/TEs in my league last year were: Calvin, Gronk and Welker, in that order). He will do similar things for Lloyd. Lloyd is a definite BUY.
It's largely too early to make too many predictions on a lot of the buy/sells however, given that we haven't even had the draft yet and so much of player's values are yet to be determined.
You mean in Josh McDaniel's system??? Yeah, I think Brandon Lloyd knows that pretty darn well. He'll have fewer targets due to the other talented players he's surrounded by, but will have more success with those targets because of the improved quarterback play.
Brady made both Gronk and Welker into top 3 WR/TEs last year (the top 3 WR/TEs in my league last year were: Calvin, Gronk and Welker, in that order). He will do similar things for Lloyd. Lloyd is a definite BUY.
It's largely too early to make too many predictions on a lot of the buy/sells however, given that we haven't even had the draft yet and so much of player's values are yet to be determined.
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Casting Couch
Footballguy
I've been looking for Big Bens name in here. I have an opportunity to keep him in a keep 4 league but really don't know if I should or not (also have fits, calvin, beanie, VD, Finley in a ppr, 1.5TEppr). I think with the new o coordinator who loves to pass the ball and potentially a lack of running game if mendys out then he could put up good numbers. But if wallace leaves and with hines gone, maybe his numbers drop?
Touchdown There
Footballguy
If he is fool's gold, someone has to be buying.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Maybe YOU would want to keep him then.
loose circuits
Footballguy
Comes down to available roster spots and depends on depth at rb v Other positions
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
I going to have to disagree big time on Fred Jackson. He is a buy IMO. What are you going to get for him in a trade? Last offseason I added him in just about every league I am in for the cost of a future 2nd round rookie pick. That was coming off an injury free, productive year and with Spiller completely out of the picture. At best that is what you are getting him for this year, and a 3rd rounder is even more likely. At that price you are much better off buying and gambling that he can return to top 15 production for one more year.
Hoot&HoLLer
Footballguy
Buy:
Demaryius Thomas
Antonio Brown
Santonio Holmes
Reggie Wayne
Steve Smith Carolina
BJGE
Aaron Hernandez
Jermaine Gresham
Sell:
Brandon Lloyd
Shonn Greene
Alex Smith
Anotonio Gates
Dwayne Bowe
Desean Jackson
Demaryius Thomas
Antonio Brown
Santonio Holmes
Reggie Wayne
Steve Smith Carolina
BJGE
Aaron Hernandez
Jermaine Gresham
Sell:
Brandon Lloyd
Shonn Greene
Alex Smith
Anotonio Gates
Dwayne Bowe
Desean Jackson
az_prof
Footballguy
I just bought Santonio Holmes. What I like about him is that I think he has real talent and is still pretty young. The situation really sucks. I am hopeful that Sanchez will respond to competition from Tebow and return to 2010 types numbers at least. I see Holmes as a solid WR3 with upside if the Jets ever trade him to a team with a good QB.
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
Bump again...what injured players you looking to buy...
bengalbuck
Footballguy
Ben's a decent option at QB and could have a good season. But I wouldn't over think it. Keep your 2 WRs and your 2 TEs. You can always draft Ben in the 3rd round or so if you are really high on him.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Cutler and Bradford are nice calls as buys.
May be another year/two until we see Bradford flourish. The guy has the talent. Unfortunately, the only starting caliber NFL WR he's worked with to date is a half season audition with Brandon Lloyd.
It's sad what the Rams management has given him to work with.
I think Cutler has been prematurely banished to fantasy irrelevancy a la Eli Manning.
May be another year/two until we see Bradford flourish. The guy has the talent. Unfortunately, the only starting caliber NFL WR he's worked with to date is a half season audition with Brandon Lloyd.
It's sad what the Rams management has given him to work with.
I think Cutler has been prematurely banished to fantasy irrelevancy a la Eli Manning.
True. Especially since I'm assuming most guys will keep a QB so they won't be rushing to grab their backup. Now its just to decide Finley or Wells haha.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Updating:According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Panthers "really like" third-year WR Brandon LaFell and believe he's "poised for a breakout."
Some observers have pointed to David Gettis' return from a torn ACL as reason to think Carolina is comfortable at receiver, but LaFell's expanded role might mean more inside the organization.
Rotoworld
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
Bump.
SWC
Bromigo
i would sell blaine poopy pants gabbert for a bag of jello powder i would supply my own water and you would have to give me also some cornnuts which are actually pretty good if anyone would even offer that for him he is probably the worst qb in the history of the nfl and nfl films should probably make a movie about him called the worst qb ever in the history of the universe and set some of his ducking and crying and cowering in the corner like a little baby pants to tough guy music with timpani drums and tubas and stuff or maybe they could be sneaky and do a show called greatest hits and not tell anyone it was about cry blainey and then have every one of the greatest nfl hits be people destructoconing blayne into the outer rings of saturn because they hit him so hard that he was actualy proppelled into space take that to the nasa launchpad bank brohans from another dimension
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Seems like the following guys are getting treated like yesterday's garbage
Felix
Mendenhall
Blount
It probably means they are a buy.
Felix
Mendenhall
Blount
It probably means they are a buy.
bonesman
Footballguy
I like Felix since we know he can contribute in a RBBC... the other two seem like they're more dependent on a mass of touches to get theirs and the attempts might not be there for them anymore.
johnadams
Footballguy
My apologies if these are repeated.
QB Buys:
Eli. Rodney Dangerfield of QBs. Never the best, but consistent and seems to finish in the top 10.
Rivers. Coming off a down year, he still finished in the top 10. Elite level talent.
Palmer. Top 10-ish during the second half of the season. Young WRs had a year to develop and could be in line for a monster and should be had very chearp.
Bradford, but I don't expect him to breakout this year (though improve).
QB Sells:
Cam. Not because I think he's overvalued per se. But just that I have a hard time seeing his value get any higher and it's hard to think he will repeat his rookie year. To me, this is the equivalent of cashing out at the heighth of his value. I don't see his value getting higher, but I can see it getting lower..
Brady. Still should carry enough value and I find it's better to get out early rather than late.
RB Buys:
Ingram. Value seems to have taken a bit of a nosedive, but was hurt much of his rookie year and still in a potent offense.
Hillis. Nobody seems to be giving him any credibility, but Thomas Jones did pretty well as a complement back and Hillis is more talented overall. Low risk/high reward play.
RBush (PPR only). Seems like his value is in the tank as well despite a pretty strong 2011. Can still be a PPR beast.
RB Sells:
Peterson. Seems to be valued near his pre-injury mark. Tons of mileage, aging, and coming off a major knee injury is not a recipe for sustained success.
Turner/FJax/SJax/Gore. Get what you can while you can.
WR Buys:
Cruz. Despite being the second highest scoring WR in PPR from week 3 onwards, he's still being valued as a WR2. If you whiff, and he is just a WR2, then you got what you paid for. But if he keeps it up, you've got an elite WR.
Torrey Smith. If he pops this year as I think he will, you'll never be able to buy this low on him again.
Harvin. Percy is another guy I think isn't getting the respect he deserves.
WR Sells:
Jordy Nelson. I'm profoundly distrustful of WRs who put up points via TDs. Other than a select few WRs, TDs are very fickle from year to year. I don't see him hitting 10 TDs, let alone 15 again.
Dez Brant: Every league seems to have at least one manager with a serious man crush on Dez. Find that guy and get him to give you an elite trade deal.
TE Buys:
Celek. This is my top buy candidate this off-season. After a putrid start, finished as TE5 from weeks 6-17 in PPR. He's getting zero respect and might not cost more than a rookie 3rd.
Zach Miller. Next to nothing to pick him up, but has the skills to be a solid FF TE.
Sells:
Gronk. Again, this isn't necessarily because I think he will falter. It's because his value cannot get any higher and can only go down.
Witten. Passed the magic 30 barrier and fell out of the top 12 during the second half of last year.
VDavis. Everyone remembers his post-season, which was fantastic, but he's valued at TE3 ish, but finished as TE9 (ppg in ppr) with TE10-14 all within a ppg. He's valued as if his post-season numbers will be sustained during the regular season.
QB Buys:
Eli. Rodney Dangerfield of QBs. Never the best, but consistent and seems to finish in the top 10.
Rivers. Coming off a down year, he still finished in the top 10. Elite level talent.
Palmer. Top 10-ish during the second half of the season. Young WRs had a year to develop and could be in line for a monster and should be had very chearp.
Bradford, but I don't expect him to breakout this year (though improve).
QB Sells:
Cam. Not because I think he's overvalued per se. But just that I have a hard time seeing his value get any higher and it's hard to think he will repeat his rookie year. To me, this is the equivalent of cashing out at the heighth of his value. I don't see his value getting higher, but I can see it getting lower..
Brady. Still should carry enough value and I find it's better to get out early rather than late.
RB Buys:
Ingram. Value seems to have taken a bit of a nosedive, but was hurt much of his rookie year and still in a potent offense.
Hillis. Nobody seems to be giving him any credibility, but Thomas Jones did pretty well as a complement back and Hillis is more talented overall. Low risk/high reward play.
RBush (PPR only). Seems like his value is in the tank as well despite a pretty strong 2011. Can still be a PPR beast.
RB Sells:
Peterson. Seems to be valued near his pre-injury mark. Tons of mileage, aging, and coming off a major knee injury is not a recipe for sustained success.
Turner/FJax/SJax/Gore. Get what you can while you can.
WR Buys:
Cruz. Despite being the second highest scoring WR in PPR from week 3 onwards, he's still being valued as a WR2. If you whiff, and he is just a WR2, then you got what you paid for. But if he keeps it up, you've got an elite WR.
Torrey Smith. If he pops this year as I think he will, you'll never be able to buy this low on him again.
Harvin. Percy is another guy I think isn't getting the respect he deserves.
WR Sells:
Jordy Nelson. I'm profoundly distrustful of WRs who put up points via TDs. Other than a select few WRs, TDs are very fickle from year to year. I don't see him hitting 10 TDs, let alone 15 again.
Dez Brant: Every league seems to have at least one manager with a serious man crush on Dez. Find that guy and get him to give you an elite trade deal.
TE Buys:
Celek. This is my top buy candidate this off-season. After a putrid start, finished as TE5 from weeks 6-17 in PPR. He's getting zero respect and might not cost more than a rookie 3rd.
Zach Miller. Next to nothing to pick him up, but has the skills to be a solid FF TE.
Sells:
Gronk. Again, this isn't necessarily because I think he will falter. It's because his value cannot get any higher and can only go down.
Witten. Passed the magic 30 barrier and fell out of the top 12 during the second half of last year.
VDavis. Everyone remembers his post-season, which was fantastic, but he's valued at TE3 ish, but finished as TE9 (ppg in ppr) with TE10-14 all within a ppg. He's valued as if his post-season numbers will be sustained during the regular season.
dmac37
Footballguy
Low cost investment high reward I'm buying- Mikel Leshoure
Huge red flags with the achilles and double weed bust but he could end up the main dog in a high powered offense. It just does not look good for Best and the Lions were raving about Leshoure what little bit of time he had in camp.
Huge red flags with the achilles and double weed bust but he could end up the main dog in a high powered offense. It just does not look good for Best and the Lions were raving about Leshoure what little bit of time he had in camp.
solorca
Footballguy
I'm going even cheaper and grabbing Kevin Smith where I have the opportunity. He's usually rostered, but most owners feel like they are getting a steal when you offer up a late third round or fourth round pick for him. The risk is huge with him and he'll definitely be injured some games...but in games where he plays (even if he's the RB2) you'll probably get pretty good points out of him.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
This makes no sense to me at all. You can't really get anything for them. So clearly they hold more value if you just keep them and play them until they fall completely off the cliff. Why would you trade them for garbage when you can still start them this year?
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
As of today, he's 29.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Thanks Mr literal, hes 30 in 2 weeks.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
He was talking in past tense, saying he passed 30 last year and fell out of the top 12 in second half. Sorry for pointing out facts.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
From what I've been reading lately, the guys people are talking about as sleeper/under the radar guys. I really like a lot of guys on this list. Wondering which guys you think bust and which you think have the best chance at breaking out.
Obviously a wide range of the spectrum here, but I think the 'when there's smoke there's fire' analogy works for all of them LOL.
Donald Brown
Issac Redman
Brandon Lafell
Lance Moore
Eric Decker
Juron Criner
BJ Cunningham
Chris Owusu
Kenny Britt
Beanie Wells
Obviously a wide range of the spectrum here, but I think the 'when there's smoke there's fire' analogy works for all of them LOL.
Donald Brown
Issac Redman
Brandon Lafell
Lance Moore
Eric Decker
Juron Criner
BJ Cunningham
Chris Owusu
Kenny Britt
Beanie Wells
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
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Touchdown There
Footballguy
Cornnuts are surprisingly good.This guy consistently makes my day.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I have a slight preference for punctuation marks, but to each his own.Cornnuts are surprisingly good.
az_prof
Footballguy
Donald Brown: In PPR I LOVE him. In general, I like him. He has all around skills and will finally get an opportunity in a more run orientated offense, with very little competition.Issac Redman: I like him in TD heavy scoring formats. Not a fan in PPR. Alot depends on Mendenhall's recovery but the opportunity for 2012 is there. He lacks the kind of physical ability and speed to be a great player, but he is a good fill-in player for 2012.Brandon Lafell: Not crazy about the situation.Lance Moore: With Meachem gone, he may get a slight uptick in looks. I wouldn't spend the moon, but he is a good sleeper with upside.Eric Decker: I like him. I think his skill set matches Manning better than Thomas'. Juron Criner: Lots of competition and no QB. There is a lot of talk about him as a sleeper so he is worth a stash, but don't expect much in 2012.Kenny Britt: Not a fan for the price you will have to pay. People value him as a top 10 WR but he hasn't come close to sniffing that kind of production. He is coming off a serious knee injury. Let someone else gamble a high pick on him.Beanie Wells: I like him for the place where you can draft him. He has ability and very little competition. For the price, I would buy.
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Crazysight
Footballguy
He's not fool's gold, you'd be a fool to not buy him, as well as to suggest that Stinko will cut into his playing time at all. Stinko will be lucky to even make final cuts, much less see the field at all.If he is fool's gold, someone has to be buying.
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Dragon1952
Footballguy
Well, not sure what you consider a sniff but in the 12 full games Britt played in 2010-2011 he's averaged 19.55 ppg in PPR=1 leagues, which would be good for WR3 in both years. So if anyone thought he could stay healthy for an entire year they would very likely have a top 10 WR, and potential top 5.
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Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
Bump....any new lists of buy and sell
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
People are actually BUYING Meachem NOW??
Peculiar as the price was much less last year.
I think the guy is off the Chargers after 2 seasons.
Peculiar as the price was much less last year.
I think the guy is off the Chargers after 2 seasons.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Reggie Wayne seems to be an interesting buy for owners who might need a one year fix at WR 3/4. Luck has to be an upgrade over the crap Indy had at QB last year.
joey
Footballguy
Speaking of Indy WRs, I bet many could grab Collie off the scrap heap for little investment. He's the WR2 on that team now so that might be worth something (if he can stay healthy).
I also agree with the Holmes posts as a buy low. Both these WRs seem like guys you could get at WR4 prices who have the upside of a WR2. Nice fourth or fifth WR on your bench.
I also rolled the dice on obtaining TB Mike Williams. Either he is closer to his great first year or his crappy second year. Either way, you're paying much closer to his second year price for another young WR to sit on the bench and round out a WR corp.
I also agree with the Holmes posts as a buy low. Both these WRs seem like guys you could get at WR4 prices who have the upside of a WR2. Nice fourth or fifth WR on your bench.
I also rolled the dice on obtaining TB Mike Williams. Either he is closer to his great first year or his crappy second year. Either way, you're paying much closer to his second year price for another young WR to sit on the bench and round out a WR corp.
I see Mike Williams TB getting touted as a sleeper a lot. I disagree. The main point is now that VJax is there, he'll roll coverage and TBMW will soak up receptions. But last year, Freeman couldn't even support 1 fantasy relevant option. Now we're asking him to support two? And Schiano is instituting a more run heavy approach. I'm letting someone else buy.
saintfool
Dead sexy
there isn't much ahead of him. fasano isn't anything special and the rookie egnew isn't much of a blocker. egnew is probably the horse to bet on here over clay or fasano.
houndirish
Footballguy
Buying (or attempting to ...)
QB: J. Cutler, S. Bradford, P. Rivers, Flacco
RB: Either Buffalo RB, R. Matthews, K. Hunter
WR: D. Thomas, J. Baldwin, L. Hankerson,
TE: E. Dickson, M. Bennett, H. Miller
Selling (or attempting to ...)
QB: T. Tebow
RB: MJD, Bradshaw, S Jackson, I Redman
WR: Manningham, S. Holmes,
TE: J. Witten
QB: J. Cutler, S. Bradford, P. Rivers, Flacco
RB: Either Buffalo RB, R. Matthews, K. Hunter
WR: D. Thomas, J. Baldwin, L. Hankerson,
TE: E. Dickson, M. Bennett, H. Miller
Selling (or attempting to ...)
QB: T. Tebow
RB: MJD, Bradshaw, S Jackson, I Redman
WR: Manningham, S. Holmes,
TE: J. Witten
You should wait until the season when he has a few good games under his belt to sell Redman, if you really want to.
