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Potential Behemoth QB Trade at Draft per ESPN (1 Viewer)

lod01 said:
jonboltz said:
Would love Teddy to the Bengals.
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Since there is nothing wrong with Dalton, you can forget about that one. Why would a team that is a contender take a huge step backwards?

The only one that would be a 'bohemeth' would be Romo simply due to Jerry Jones is really stupid at playing NFL GM. I could see him going for Manziel with a Romo trade.
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I think Teddy is better last year than Dalton will ever become, so I might be biased there.

 
msudaisy26 said:
Ditka Butkus said:
Houston turmOiler said:
Big Ben?
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This is what I thought. Pittsburg needs about everything . Gaining valuable draft picks would help. Going to the Browns for their number 4 overall along with hoyer and # 35. I know it is an in divison trade, but they are both desparate.
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Easy there, Big Ben would be lucky to get 1 first let alone a top 5 pick in the first and second round and a player
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I was thinking for the 2.1

 
It wouldn't ever happen, but Dalton (plus additional draft picks) for RG3 might make sense. Jay Gruden gets a QB he is familiar with and additional picks to reshape Washington's roster while Cincinnati gets a higher upside option at QB.

 
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Inspiration said:
It wouldn't ever happen, but Dalton (plus additional draft picks) for RG3 might make sense. Jay Gruden gets a QB he is familiar with and additional picks to reshape Washington's roster while Washington gets a higher upside option at QB.
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would disagree that Dalton is a higher upside QB over Griffin.

 
How about Jake Locker as a trade candidate? I keep thinking that Wisenhunt really desires a Phillip Rivers style pocket passer.

 
I hope this guy isn't a serious journalist. Although I guess part of ESPN's description of journalism any more is blind speculation with little to no information. Right now guy looks like an ### hole creating news over nothing.

 
What about Matthew Stafford? Perhaps Lombardi wants a more accurate passer a la Brees or in general has a problem with his mechanics and consistency? I think he would also demand a lot of teams attention and would be one of a few franchise QBs that would not draw the ire (I think) of the fan base if traded.

 
tone1oc said:
What about Matthew Stafford? Perhaps Lombardi wants a more accurate passer a la Brees or in general has a problem with his mechanics and consistency? I think he would also demand a lot of teams attention and would be one of a few franchise QBs that would not draw the ire (I think) of the fan base if traded.
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I think the Patriots are going to stick with Brady

 
travdogg said:
Wyld Stallyns said:
Left field option: Matt Ryan
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I think that would be VERY interesting
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No shot.

Just signed a $100m less than 9 mo ago, he's very well liked here in ATL, Dimitroff/Smith need to have a good season here or their seats get very warm, and lastly Matt Ryan is boring and Arthur Blank wants a boring QB since his last franchise QB went to jail.

 
Change thread title to "wild #### thrown at the wall based on absolutely nothing" to be fair to the readers venturing in here.

 
Can't speak for everyone but myself, I think that lots of the ideas/trades being thrown out just for fun. I mean some dummy said Arod to the Browns.

To be fair to anyone comes into this thread, maybe they should take off their monocle and step down from their pedestal so they can actually read the posts and just have fun with the rest of us.

 
GordonGekko said:
Wyld Stallyns said:
What's going on with Kaepernick? I haven't been following it... Why would SF trade him?
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I mentioned that the 49ers and Browns had some talks regarding moving Kaepernick for the 4th overall pick a while back. Was immediately and personally attacked by some here in the Shark Pool, as per course. Many claimed it was impossible or didn't make sense, several weeks later when Kaepernick and a few other players were in the media with a brewing scandal in a hotel, a lot of those attacks got real quiet.

Young dual threat QB1s with playoff experience don't typically get traded. Then again, most dual threat QB1s with playoff experience don't have half of NFL Security sectioned off to investigate his activities with social media, women and curbing potential scandal. As an organization, the 49ers do a pretty good job of damage control and PR control, but recently they've just had things happen that no franchise can really prevent ( Sometimes you just have knuckleheads on your roster and no matter what you try to do in terms of preventative measures, you can't stop a knucklehead from sitting on the TV and watching the couch)

A lot of football fans don't really have a base understanding of the relationship between pro and college football and law enforcement. For NFL games, it's a massive source of overtime and revenue for local law enforcement agencies. Usually to the point where there are department specific sections just for dealing with pro sports franchises. For the university and college level, most schools have their own internal police department, where games are also sources of overtime and massive revenue. Often during travel, the internal police department will send veteran officers with the team to maintain order but also to smooth over smaller issues that might arise. Most teams hire former federal and local law enforcement for their own investigators and private security. Many NFL owners are at the wealth status where they have their own private full time bodyguard details. And of course, in all pro sports, there is the official enforcement wing, such as NFL Security, NBA Security, etc.

What I'm saying is there's a lot of stuff that hits the public eye and the press and there is a lot of stuff that just handled privately and squashed as a matter of course. There's a financial incentive in place, a large one, for law enforcement, and also considering the pressure on them from local politics factoring on how much revenue a pro sports team or college team brings into the local area, to help wash a lot of blood off of a lot of hands in private.

Kaepernick is no choir boy. There's a reason why, despite the potential, I said a team would be more than happy to trade him. There's a lot of stuff not hitting the press that would make any GM take a pause. Even now. In the new modern NFL era, esp with Sheriff Roger Goodell with the hair trigger on player and team discipline, it's more critical than ever before to have players on your roster that aren't going to constantly get into scandal potential situations that need to get buried. Burying those issues take time, effort and risk league sanction. They can go as deep as causing salary cap violations, causing government eyes peering in and even bringing the IRS into some conflicts.

One of the reasons that some NFL insiders can't get into on a high level QB1 trade is that some trades, esp trades like this, have to be hard vetted and approve at the ownership level. If you want to dump your third string RB for a potential bust cornerback on a slow Thursday, your owner doesn't care all that much. When you are talking shifting a QB1, you are talking shifting the marketing face and image of your entire franchise. In some cases, these kind of deals move past the GM to GM stage and move to the owner to owner stage.

Something else I mentioned, despite the sea of personal attacks ( thank you ConnSkins, MSUDaisy, Donnybrook and Abraham/Colin Dowling for all taking phantom swings like Poppa Doc did in 8 Mile), the trifecta of Harbaugh, Roman and Chryst is seen as the core strength of the SF QB situation, not Kaepernick on his own behind one of the best O lines in football ( Chryst in particular is someone I've noted in the past as being seen as a rising star, not only for Alex Smith and Kapernick, but also for his own son, Keller Chryst, one of the top young prospects that pro teams are even noticing now at this stage. As I've always said, QB1 development is your ticket to a rising coaching star in the league)

On Bradford, he's repped by Tom Condon of CAA and Jason La Canfora has long been a CAA mouthpiece. Many teams are the top are trying to get teams to trade up or be seen as the draft spot that will "swing" the draft. While his cap hold is huge, one of the deals made for Fisher was he would get to pick his QB1 ( something he did not get with the Titans) and he's a Bradford guy and that's what matters there.

I've been saying for months that there is real tension between Big Ben and the Steelers front office. The sticking point was DTFGate and the Steelers feeling Big Ben owes them a team/hometown discount for the resources and pull they pushed forward to protect him then, on the flip side, Big Ben feels he got them two rings with little to no line support and that his numbers have been depressed by the style of play, not his ability.

Locker might move, Whiz either likes his QB1 or he doesn't, there isn't much of an inbetween and he's not a Locker fan. The problem with any team taking Locker is that they are only delaying the question of their own QB1 issues ( the only reason they'd go for Locker) for a year when they might as well face it now.

There's a lot of inner turmoil not seen publicly with the Giants, and Coughlin has taken much more power and the old man loves his WRs. Don't look for the Giants to seek to replace Eli this year. With inner chaos abound, the Maras are looking for stability, even if it's a pick throwing machine that gets chewed out by his father after every game.

As far as move ups and downs, the only players generally seen as "trade up" worthy right now are Clowney and Watkins, the rest is mostly smoke.

Despite the hot press for Garrapolo and Savage, I've said months back and still hold now that the best QB1 prospect in this entire class is David Fales. Measured against traditional metrics, I can see his limitations and why he'd fall in the draft. However, measuring him against what one might be perceive to be a shift in QB1 play in the NFL, I think he's a diamond in the rough.

Dynasty, I'd call Kaepernick a sell high. Sometimes you have to take a red flag for what it's worth and flush. And not everything spinning around a player actually hits the press.

And in rookie drafts, I'd call David Fales a strong sleeper pick for dynasty owners. I like this kid a lot, a lot of things on film ring true for me with him, there are just some things that don't translate to stats that give the whole story on a prospect.
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You have very long posts...
 
I can see a Big Ben and #15 for Bradford as long as he agrees to a long deal at a significantly lower price. The Steelers were said to be in love with Bradford when he came out as a rookie and Ben is near the end of his contract.

 
Return of the Sheep said:
I can see a Big Ben and #15 for Bradford as long as he agrees to a long deal at a significantly lower price. The Steelers were said to be in love with Bradford when he came out as a rookie and Ben is near the end of his contract.
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So disrespectful! An elite QB and 15 for an injury prone nobody.
 
Bradford.

Rams get Manziel, Houston still gets Clowney, plus they get their QB.

There would be some other exchange of draft picks. This could also go like the Elie/Rivers trade, where HOU and STL trade after the picks are made at 1-2.

It certainly looks like HOU is leaving a space open for a QB (besides Fitz) who could start this year. Not sure a QB falling to the 2nd round does that.

 
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Despite Romo signing a big deal that would make it seem impossible, I still think Jerry Jones tries to trade for Manziel. Are teams allowed to trade and 'eat' some of a salary as they could many years ago?

I don't know that Jerry Jones has ever had a man crush on any prospect as big as he has on Manziel.

Eli will be a trade candidate til he has a few good games and shows he still has it. Some have their OC as the head coach next year, so if they fell in love with a prospect for the (almost) new regime, I could see that. The Giants have been so vocal, could argue too much setting up a smokescreen, about Eli being their guy. They need QBs though and have really done a poor job with backups for Eli since Kurt left. I could see this whole QB trade concept being a misread Giants will pick a QB leap from a writer. They need to get one, but not necessarily a starter.

Jets signing Vick and the recent Geno is our guy stuff where Vick is supposedly just their to push him....all that totally sounded like junk. I could see them trading Geno.

As I've said a few times, the Texans have a lot of pieces and I think the right QB could make them an instantly good team. I recall the 1-15 Jets being the best one win team ever and how BP pointed out to the world how wrong we were and massive turnover happened and...I'm curious if this Texans team is similar or they really are pretty good.

 
By the looks of it Bradford carries about a 17.5m cap hit for the next 2 seasons... no guaranteed money left on the deal, but at that price... I cant see anyoe in their right mind taking a stab at him, w cap space or not.

Id knock him off the list, personally.

 
I hate to agree with GG of all people but in the Bridgewater thread, I said something similar. It would never happen and it would be incredibly ballsy, but as a Niner fan I'd be perfectly happy moving Kaep for assets, saving the $20 million a year, and grabbing Bridgewater. Obviously I'm a believer in him and most aren't, but with the picks they already have and what they could net, they'd be able to come out of this trade with hypothetically Teddy, a top CB, a top WR, and tons of available cap space in the future to reinvest into a team that is going to get expensive.

 
msudaisy26 said:
I see 3 possibilities that I would classify as major.

I think it is RG3 and it would be to the Raiders straight up for the number 5 pick.

Romo to the Texans for 2.1 and Case Keenum

Foles to the Texans for 2.1 and a first in 2015. Kelly wants the ammo to go get Mariota
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Those are all way too cheap.

RG3 is worth more than 1.5.

Romo is worth a high 1st at least.

There's no way in hell Foles is available for the 2.1. Would have to be 1.1 + 2015 1st at least.

 
bigmarc27 said:
travdogg said:
Wyld Stallyns said:
Left field option: Matt Ryan
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I think that would be VERY interesting
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No shot. Just signed a $100m less than 9 mo ago, he's very well liked here in ATL, Dimitroff/Smith need to have a good season here or their seats get very warm, and lastly Matt Ryan is boring and Arthur Blank wants a boring QB since his last franchise QB went to jail.
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It would also be $44 million in dead money this year if he were traded. It would literally be almost impossible to make any trade work even if the Falcons wanted to, which they don't.

 
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Tool said:
Houston turmOiler said:
Donnybrook said:
How about Jake Locker as a trade candidate? I keep thinking that Wisenhunt really desires a Phillip Rivers style pocket passer.
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Ive been thinking the Titans are a prime QB suitor in round 1 but most mocks seems to disagree
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Too many other needs. Locker gets one more year.
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While I don't disagree, locker may not be in their long term plans. If the opportunity arises, such as a qb they like falling to 11, it wouldn't be a shock if he were dealt.

Wouldn't call it behemoth, but big enough.

 
FUBAR said:
Tool said:
Houston turmOiler said:
Donnybrook said:
How about Jake Locker as a trade candidate? I keep thinking that Wisenhunt really desires a Phillip Rivers style pocket passer.
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Ive been thinking the Titans are a prime QB suitor in round 1 but most mocks seems to disagree
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Too many other needs. Locker gets one more year.
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While I don't disagree, locker may not be in their long term plans. If the opportunity arises, such as a qb they like falling to 11, it wouldn't be a shock if he were dealt.

Wouldn't call it behemoth, but big enough.
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The #11 is a valuable pick under the new CBA and a great spot to land a QB under a cheap contract for 5 years. Wouldn't be at all surprised if they take a QB.

 
IHEARTFF said:
msudaisy26 said:
I see 3 possibilities that I would classify as major.

I think it is RG3 and it would be to the Raiders straight up for the number 5 pick.

Romo to the Texans for 2.1 and Case Keenum

Foles to the Texans for 2.1 and a first in 2015. Kelly wants the ammo to go get Mariota
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Those are all way too cheap.

RG3 is worth more than 1.5.

Romo is worth a high 1st at least.

There's no way in hell Foles is available for the 2.1. Would have to be 1.1 + 2015 1st at least.
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You must be thinking fantasy football.

RG3 has questions and health concerns, he would get you a top 10 pick but no more

Romo is 34 with a huge contract and health issues he would be lucky to get you a first,

Foles is still some what unproven and wouldn't cost anyone 2 high firsts.

 
I believe the Pats would have to eat an ENOURMOUS cap hit if they traded Brady with his contract as currently constituted. I believe they owe him $30 million in signing bonus money, and I think if they moved him they would have to take an $18.4 million cap hit this year. They may be able to get that reduced if they change the parameters of his contract, but I am not sure Brady would go for that (given that his remaining contract is guaranteed). Brady would not want to convert his signing bonus money into straight salary (he would be a fool to do so). I don't see the Pats taking on that amount of dead money.

 
The only legit contender, imo is Kaepernick.

Noone is giving an early 1st for Bradford, nor taking on his ludicrous contract.

Brady, Romo... hogwash.

Kap, or nothing, imo

 
Belichick trades Brady for 1.01, then trades down to 1.26 to pick up a future 2nd, then takes a 3rd round cornerback from Rutgers.

 
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