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[Table]

newbie here.

What does PPR mean?

 

[David Yudkin]

Point Per Reception

 

[jurb26]

Point Per Reception

 

[inca911]

Means good things if RBs are at 0.5, WRs at 1, and TEs at 2 ppr.

 

[ookook]

PPR = the biggest source of my FF discontent.

Any device intended to restore equity across positions that disrupts the rank order within a position is terminally flawed. And it is not performance based. That is, why should a 2 yard catch count for more than an 8 yard run?

The best was is with suppy and demand by carefully controlling the number of teams and roster requirements. That is, devices like 2 QBs and 4WRs.

Second best it to vary the points per yard by position. So make WR rec yards worth .14 and TE worth .16, or whatever. Rank order within is maintained.

I vowed to not play in ANY PPR leagues this year and have thus far stuck to my guns.

People who like PPR are hapless tools.

 

[Maelstrom]

Thanks for the tool comment (j/k)

I see nothing wrong with giving PPR - it's just like any other measurable that you can assign a value to. We do the .5R/1W/2T scheme, and it works great. I was actually aiming for .3/.6/.9 when we instituted the rule, but the league wanted TEs worth more and liked the ease of the .5/1/2 - some teams in our league (1 TE require, 2 flex spots) have started 2 TEs due to this - how many other leagues that don't use PPR can say that a 2TE lineup is better than a 1 TE and a RB/WR ?

Due to the flex spots, we don't end up with a "stud" TE problem either, since people can counter a stud TE with a better flex option many times.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Scoring formats should not bother the skilled owner as he/she can adapt their knowledge to aquire the best players for said format. Word.

 

[joffer]

People who like PPR are really cool.

i agree

 

[Mystery Achiever]

don't know if you're not familiar with ppr or just the abbreviation. if the former, there are a couple of pretty long threads on the subject of whether people prefer it or not if you feel like playing around with the search function.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

format. Word.

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[Winston Wolfe]

The whole point of PPR, which is popular in the high stakes contests, is to eliminate the advantage of drafting early in the 1st round. PPR is helpful in leagues that allow a flex spot or RB, WR, TE. Without PPR, the teams that did not have 3 starting running backs are fighting an uphill battle which more often than not, they will lose.

 

[Finatic]

The whole point of PPR, which is popular in the high stakes contests, is to eliminate the advantage of drafting early in the 1st round. PPR is helpful in leagues that allow a flex spot or RB, WR, TE. Without PPR, the teams that did not have 3 starting running backs are fighting an uphill battle which more often than not, they will lose.

 

[ltaylor]

are you the same Table from Titanscentral.net?

If so, nice to see you over here. You have found to best fantasy football resource on the planet, and be sure not to let any leaguemates no your source.

go titans

 

[Table]

Yea, I'm the same table from titanscentral.net.

Here is some of my rules that pertain to PPR....I think

Recpt - Reception 5 - 6 Recpts = 3 points

7 - 8 Recpts = 5 points

9 - 10 Recpts = 7 points

11 - 11 Recpts = 9 points

12 - 12 Recpts = 10 points

13 - 13 Recpts = 11 points

14 - 14 Recpts = 12 points

15 - 15 Recpts = 13 points

16 - 16 Recpts = 14 points

17+ Recpts = 16 points

Now, am I in a ffl wit or without PPR?

 

[Table]

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[Eternal Outlaw]

PPR = the biggest source of my FF discontent.

Any device intended to restore equity across positions that disrupts the rank order within a position is terminally flawed. And it is not performance based. That is, why should a 2 yard catch count for more than an 8 yard run?

The best was is with suppy and demand by carefully controlling the number of teams and roster requirements. That is, devices like 2 QBs and 4WRs.

Second best it to vary the points per yard by position. So make WR rec yards worth .14 and TE worth .16, or whatever. Rank order within is maintained.

I vowed to not play in ANY PPR leagues this year and have thus far stuck to my guns.

People who like PPR are hapless tools.

Do you like the fact that someone can come in for 1 play, score a 1 yd TD dive and get more points than the back who got them down to the 1 with a 50 yard run?

 

[Kleck]

Scoring formats should not bother the skilled owner as he/she can adapt their knowledge to aquire the best players for said format. Word.

ointsToFro:

 

[Kleck]

I wrote a huge statistical evaluation of PPR leagues vs non-PPR leagues several years ago. The one thing I still remember as being crucial in understanding these leagues was not so much who benefited the most, it was the fact that QBs didn't benefit and were consequentially less valuable.

 

[NDMatt]

I wrote a huge statistical evaluation of PPR leagues vs non-PPR leagues several years ago. The one thing I still remember as being crucial in understanding these leagues was not so much who benefited the most, it was the fact that QBs didn't benefit and were consequentially less valuable.

What do you think is the effect of having a scoring system that awards points based on a QBs completion percentage, awarding one point for a completion, and -1 pts for an incompletion....for example if a QB was 11/15, he would receive 7 points.In a PPR league, does this make QBs more/less valuable?

 

[inca911]

I wrote a huge statistical evaluation of PPR leagues vs non-PPR leagues several years ago. The one thing I still remember as being crucial in understanding these leagues was not so much who benefited the most, it was the fact that QBs didn't benefit and were consequentially less valuable.

Provided there are no QB flex positions, the QB value is independent of whatever you set for ppr. The QB value is measured in points above baseline QB, not relative to other positions. QBs aren't very valuable in 1QB leagues as there is much less separation compared to WRs and RBs.

 

[joffer]

I wrote a huge statistical evaluation of PPR leagues vs non-PPR leagues several years ago. The one thing I still remember as being crucial in understanding these leagues was not so much who benefited the most, it was the fact that QBs didn't benefit and were consequentially less valuable.

Provided there are no QB flex positions, the QB value is independent of whatever you set for ppr. The QB value is measured in points above baseline QB, not relative to other positions. QBs aren't very valuable in 1QB leagues as there is much less separation compared to WRs and RBs.

disagree. ppr for WRs, RBs, and TEs increases their X values quite a bit, especially the elite ones. The relative value of Petyon Manning and Steve Smith changes dramatically in a PPR league. QBs definitely become less valuable in ppr scoring.

 

[ookook]

disagree. ppr for WRs, RBs, and TEs increases their X values quite a bit, especially the elite ones. The relative value of Petyon Manning and Steve Smith changes dramatically in a PPR league. QBs definitely become less valuable in ppr scoring.

Yes. Such as when in the current VBD excel app Peyton goes from 22nd to 31st in value rank when 1 PPR is added to scoring.

Or when KJ goes from 13th to 26th.

 

[ookook]

It turns out I am not fond of flex positions either.

 

[ookook]

The whole point of PPR, which is popular in the high stakes contests, is to eliminate the advantage of drafting early in the 1st round.

So the point of PPR is not to change the relative value of WRs relative to RBs? That is just some innocent byproduct. Both adjusting supply and demand as well as changing the PPY values assigned to positions will do what you suggest as well, without disrupting the rank order within positions.

 

[ookook]

Scoring formats should not bother the skilled owner as he/she can adapt their knowledge to aquire the best players for said format.  Word.

ointsToFro:

Really? So you are saying if I concoct some totally whacked scoring system it should and would not affect your desire to play in that league?Doubts. Shall I construct examples of scoring systems and have you rate how much you favor them (or would want to play in a leaguewith said scoring), then show your ratings are impacted by the system?

 

[Winston Wolfe]

The whole point of PPR, which is popular in the high stakes contests, is to eliminate the advantage of drafting early in the 1st round.

So the point of PPR is not to change the relative value of WRs relative to RBs? That is just some innocent byproduct. Both adjusting supply and demand as well as changing the PPY values assigned to positions will do what you suggest as well, without disrupting the rank order within positions.

It does change the relative value of WRs to RBs. The top 4 or 5 RBs generally outscore their WR counterparts by 100 pts in non PPR formats. At the top of the draft, you have a very good shot of grabbing 3 starting running backs with your first 3 picks. This can be a huge advantage in non PPR leagues that allow a flex spot. The #24 RB scores average of 150 pts, while the WR36 scores around 102pts.In PPR RB24 scores on average 172pts and the WR36 scores 159pts. As you can see, it closes the spread making WR as a flex a viable option rather than allowing the 3RB strategy to dominate.

 

[GregR_2]

Any device intended to restore equity across positions that disrupts the rank order within a position is terminally flawed. And it is not performance based. That is, why should a 2 yard catch count for more than an 8 yard run?...People who like PPR are hapless tools.

Exactly. And I'm sure your passing yards give equal points as your rushing yards, because why should an 8 yard run be worth more than a 10 yard pass?Otherwise, that would make you... what was the term again?

 

[LHUCKS]

The whole point of PPR, which is popular in the high stakes contests, is to eliminate the advantage of drafting early in the 1st round. 

So the point of PPR is not to change the relative value of WRs relative to RBs? That is just some innocent byproduct. Both adjusting supply and demand as well as changing the PPY values assigned to positions will do what you suggest as well, without disrupting the rank order within positions.

It does change the relative value of WRs to RBs. The top 4 or 5 RBs generally outscore their WR counterparts by 100 pts in non PPR formats. At the top of the draft, you have a very good shot of grabbing 3 starting running backs with your first 3 picks. This can be a huge advantage in non PPR leagues that allow a flex spot. The #24 RB scores average of 150 pts, while the WR36 scores around 102pts.In PPR RB24 scores on average 172pts and the WR36 scores 159pts. As you can see, it closes the spread making WR as a flex a viable option rather than allowing the 3RB strategy to dominate.

Very

 

[Kleck]

Scoring formats should not bother the skilled owner as he/she can adapt their knowledge to aquire the best players for said format.   Word.

ointsToFro:

Really? So you are saying if I concoct some totally whacked scoring system it should and would not affect your desire to play in that league?Doubts. Shall I construct examples of scoring systems and have you rate how much you favor them (or would want to play in a leaguewith said scoring), then show your ratings are impacted by the system?

I didn't say that at all. I have my preferences, but I can adjust with any scoring system. I don't live in the world of extremes. I tend to worry about the 95%+ of "normal" scoring systems that have some deviations.

 

[Kleck]

I wrote a huge statistical evaluation of PPR leagues vs non-PPR leagues several years ago. The one thing I still remember as being crucial in understanding these leagues was not so much who benefited the most, it was the fact that QBs didn't benefit and were consequentially less valuable.

Provided there are no QB flex positions, the QB value is independent of whatever you set for ppr. The QB value is measured in points above baseline QB, not relative to other positions. QBs aren't very valuable in 1QB leagues as there is much less separation compared to WRs and RBs.

Click the link and look at the points above baseline. VBD values for RB, WR, and TE go up sifnificantly while QB stays the same.Shake up your league

 

[ookook]

I wrote a huge statistical evaluation of PPR leagues vs non-PPR leagues several years ago. The one thing I still remember as being crucial in understanding these leagues was not so much who benefited the most, it was the fact that QBs didn't benefit and were consequentially less valuable.

Provided there are no QB flex positions, the QB value is independent of whatever you set for ppr. The QB value is measured in points above baseline QB, not relative to other positions. QBs aren't very valuable in 1QB leagues as there is much less separation compared to WRs and RBs.

Click the link and look at the points above baseline. VBD values for RB, WR, and TE go up sifnificantly while QB stays the same.Shake up your league

Which changes their RELATIVE values.I have played (and won) quite a few PPR leagues. But I don't like them.

 

[ookook]

It does change the relative value of WRs to RBs. The top 4 or 5 RBs generally outscore their WR counterparts by 100 pts in non PPR formats. At the top of the draft, you have a very good shot of grabbing 3 starting running backs with your first 3 picks. This can be a huge advantage in non PPR leagues that allow a flex spot. The #24 RB scores average of 150 pts, while the WR36 scores around 102pts.

In PPR RB24 scores on average 172pts and the WR36 scores 159pts. As you can see, it closes the spread making WR as a flex a viable option rather than allowing the 3RB strategy to dominate.

Hi Winston,

But you can change that requiring 4 WRs too. That is, the drop-off from top WR to baseline increases relative to RBs.

Same with having WRs at .14 PY and TEs at .16 (or whatever).

-OOK!

 

[Table]

Hey guys. How about my question?

are you the same Table from Titanscentral.net?

If so, nice to see you over here. You have found to best fantasy football resource on the planet, and be sure not to let any leaguemates no your source.

go titans

 

[ookook]

Any device intended to restore equity across positions that disrupts the rank order within a position is terminally flawed. And it is not performance based. That is, why should a 2 yard catch count for more than an 8 yard run?

...

People who like PPR are hapless tools. 

Exactly. And I'm sure your passing yards give equal points as your rushing yards, because why should an 8 yard run be worth more than a 10 yard pass?Otherwise, that would make you... what was the term again?

I am not necessarily against high-performance scoring systems that take into account # of carries, PPC, and the like. But allowing .05 PY yard for passing is NOT inconsistent with what I am saying, in fact it is exactly the second option I was advocating. Make receiving yards for WR yards worth more relative to rushing yards for RBs.

And I was just kidding about "tools". Wassa joke. In seriousness, PPR has become entrneched in our hobby in a relatively short amount of time and seems to be the norm. Try to find a pay league on-line without it...I had to ask Xperts to add some.

I just want to consistently point out there are other ways to accomplish the same thing (and are more palatable to me).

My favorite league I played in last year was 10 team starting: 2 QB, 2 RB, 4 WR, 2 TE, 2 DEF, 2 DEF/ST. The relative values based on supply and demands worked out to be awesome IMO. The wire was active and fun all season, LOTS of QBs and WRs taken in early rounds. Were all sharks and very competitive. I liked it more than any PPR league where supply and demand issues plague the value of positions.

 

[ookook]

Hey guys. How about my question?

are you the same Table from Titanscentral.net?

If so, nice to see you  over here.  You have found to best fantasy football resource on the planet, and be sure not to let any leaguemates no your source.

go titans

You are in a leauge with PPR...just the P and the PR relationships may not be exactly linear....

 

[VaCatFan]

Hey guys. How about my question?

are you the same Table from Titanscentral.net?

If so, nice to see you  over here.  You have found to best fantasy football resource on the planet, and be sure not to let any leaguemates no your source.

go titans

I think you are in a ppmr league. Never seen one before, but I guess it's as good an acronym as any. Instead of getting 1pt for every reception, you are getting 1pt for multiple receptions with some modification. So yeah, you are in a ppr, just odd scoring of it as it looks like you don't get points unless someone has caught a minimum of 5 balls.Recpt - Reception

5 - 6 Recpts = 3 points

7 - 8 Recpts = 5 points

9 - 10 Recpts = 7 points

11 - 11 Recpts = 9 points

12 - 12 Recpts = 10 points

13 - 13 Recpts = 11 points

14 - 14 Recpts = 12 points

15 - 15 Recpts = 13 points

16 - 16 Recpts = 14 points

17+ Recpts = 16 points

 

[Winston Wolfe]

Hi Winston,

But you can change that requiring 4 WRs too. That is, the drop-off from top WR to baseline increases relative to RBs.

Same with having WRs at .14 PY and TEs at .16 (or whatever).

-OOK!

That still doesn't solve the problem of RB3 >>>>>> WR4 at the flex position.

 

[ookook]

Hi Winston,

But you can change that requiring 4 WRs too. That is, the drop-off from top WR to baseline increases relative to RBs.

Same with having WRs at .14 PY and TEs at .16 (or whatever).

-OOK!

That still doesn't solve the problem of RB3 >>>>>> WR4 at the flex position.

Gotcha. Could you remind me the problem that having a flex was supposed to solve and by doing so created that problem?