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[sholditch]

I'm playing in a league with a pretty messed up scoring system. Basically all TDs=6, 20 yards, ru/rec per point, 3 point bonus at 100, 150, and 200, but 25 return yards per point. Could Bush be a monster with this scoring? He is the kick returner, right?

 

[Big]

I'm playing in a league with a pretty messed up scoring system. Basically all TDs=6, 20 yards, ru/rec per point, 3 point bonus at 100, 150, and 200, but 25 return yards per point. Could Bush be a monster with this scoring? He is the kick returner, right?

Careful here, i heard he had clauses in his contract about (not) returning kicks. That might only be kickoffs, but unsure.

 

[ydub]

Any doubters still?

Yep...how many touches will he get when McAllister is back. I couldn't take a RB in redraft this year in the 3rd round that is only going to get 15 touches a game (including kicks). Talent, yes...enough opportunities, no.

1. What makes you think Bush will be the backup?2. Why can't they both play at the same time? (with Bush in the slot)3. Where does the 15 touches number come from?

He doesn't believe in diversity. He thinks there has to be a #1 and lesser #2. He can't see 2 guys putting up numbers. SD does it with LT andGates. NO can do it with Deuce and Reggie in the backfield, slot, as a WR, running reverses, fake reverses.Talk about a creative offense.

Does anyone really think that there's going to be some sort of democracy(ie. 50 - 50 split) in the backfield. Seriously?

So it sounds like you guys expect 20 carries per game and about 8-10 receptions. Good luck with that.

Nah. More like 15 carries/5 receiving targets per game. Expect 3 comps/5 targets (very conservative) and you're looking at 48 catches. That's 18 "touches"/game. Let's give him 8 yards per catch and 4.5 yds/carry and you're looking at something like this: 240/1080/8 - 10 TD's and 48/384/2 - 4 TD's 1464/10 - 14 TD's with 18 touches/game. I expect Stecker/DMac to split the remaining work.

These are pretty bold projections. 240 carries? I don't personally think that will happen. Maybe 10-12 carries per game. That being said I am REALLY tempted to draft him at 3.01 this year because of his potential and hope he has a Westbrook type role. I'm really fighting it though. I really hope he gets picked in the second round in my league so I won't pick him.

Well, Sean Payton seems to prefer smaller feature backs(Tiki - 5'10/200, JJ - 5'11" - 205,Bush - 6'0"/205 ) and he sure doesn't mind feeding them the ball repeatedly. And he's always taken a "feature back" approach. There's nothing resembling a 50/50 RBBC split on his resume. I really think 220 carries for Bush is the floor. In this case however, the "floor" is the bottom of an elevator. It only goes up from here.

 

[Bri]

Does anyone really think that there's going to be some sort of democracy(ie. 50 - 50 split) in the backfield. Seriously?

I'm not a college fan. Pete Carroll had Lendale White(?) pound the D a bunch and Bush fed off that right? In what I've read and seen in highlights this seems like a wise philosophy. I don't know what split is best(50/50 60/40,30/70) but it seems like Bush could feast on a D that was worn down a little from another back.

The unknown quantity here is Bush's maturation as a football player. None of these guys stand still. He's 21 years old and he's going to improve. His ceiling is as high as any player in the NFL and he's going to get every opprotunity in the world to take advantage of it. I think he will.

yeah but he won't be much more mature come september

 

[ydub]

Does anyone really think that there's going to be some sort of democracy(ie. 50 - 50 split) in the backfield. Seriously?

I'm not a college fan. Pete Carroll had Lendale White(?) pound the D a bunch and Bush fed off that right? In what I've read and seen in highlights this seems like a wise philosophy. I don't know what split is best(50/50 60/40,30/70) but it seems like Bush could feast on a D that was worn down a little from another back.

The unknown quantity here is Bush's maturation as a football player. None of these guys stand still. He's 21 years old and he's going to improve. His ceiling is as high as any player in the NFL and he's going to get every opprotunity in the world to take advantage of it. I think he will.

yeah but he won't be much more mature come september

At that point, he would be 8 months, 4 preseason games, 60 NFL practices, 20 OTA's, 30 press conferences, 200 interviews, 1 training camp, $10 million+ removed from his last snap as collegiate player. A lot can change when you're 21 years old. A lot more can change when you're 21 years old and you're name is Reggie Bush.

 

[icehouse]

Bush might wind up being the shiznit, but I don't see why everyone is on his knob after this game. He got 44 of his yards on a busted play (15 yards on the other 5 rushes). The defense plugged the hole, but #93 (Kyle Vanden Bosch) didn't hold his position and contain the backside of the play. He cut to the hole & was unable to reverse his field quickly enough. Had he held his position, Bush likely would've been tackled for a loss.

Way to go Reggie for having the speed to turn the corner, but please stop with the making something out of nothing posts. The containing defender blew his assignment.........

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Bush might wind up being the shiznit, but I don't see why everyone is on his knob after this game. He got 44 of his yards on a busted play (15 yards on the other 5 rushes). The defense plugged the hole, but #93 (Kyle Vanden Bosch) didn't hold his position and contain the backside of the play. He cut to the hole & was unable to reverse his field quickly enough. Had he held his position, Bush likely would've been tackled for a loss.Way to go Reggie for having the speed to turn the corner, but please stop with the making something out of nothing posts. The containing defender blew his assignment.........

The blown assignment can/should account for about 5 to 8 yards of that - vs - a loss on the down like you said. The rest was all Reggie.

 

[icehouse]

Bush might wind up being the shiznit, but I don't see why everyone is on his knob after this game. He got 44 of his yards on a busted play (15 yards on the other 5 rushes). The defense plugged the hole, but #93 (Kyle Vanden Bosch) didn't hold his position and contain the backside of the play. He cut to the hole & was unable to reverse his field quickly enough. Had he held his position, Bush likely would've been tackled for a loss.Way to go Reggie for having the speed to turn the corner, but please stop with the making something out of nothing posts. The containing defender blew his assignment.........

The blown assignment can/should account for about 5 to 8 yards of that - vs - a loss on the down like you said. The rest was all Reggie.

Reggie having the speed to hit that corner was all Reggie. If #93 held his position I think it would have went for a loss. It was a nice run but I am hearing Barry comparisons and the like based on that play (a blown assignment). If he is tackled for a loss how can the blown assignment obly count for 5-8 yds of a 44 yd run?

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Bush might wind up being the shiznit, but I don't see why everyone is on his knob after this game. He got 44 of his yards on a busted play (15 yards on the other 5 rushes). The defense plugged the hole, but #93 (Kyle Vanden Bosch) didn't hold his position and contain the backside of the play. He cut to the hole & was unable to reverse his field quickly enough. Had he held his position, Bush likely would've been tackled for a loss.Way to go Reggie for having the speed to turn the corner, but please stop with the making something out of nothing posts. The containing defender blew his assignment.........

The blown assignment can/should account for about 5 to 8 yards of that - vs - a loss on the down like you said. The rest was all Reggie.

Reggie having the speed to hit that corner was all Reggie. If #93 held his position I think it would have went for a loss. It was a nice run but I am hearing Barry comparisons and the like based on that play (a blown assignment). If he is tackled for a loss how can the blown assignment obly count for 5-8 yds of a 44 yd run?

We're approaching overanalysis of a single play here. You seem to be giving all the "credit" to #93s mistake, I'm attributing a great deal of the gain to Bushs instincts and skill. Assignments like the containment are blown all the time and frequently, instead of a loss on the play, the RB picks up an easy 5 - 8 yds (other defenders on the field in pursuit). Reggie picked up these gift yards - and more.

 

[Bri]

Does anyone really think that there's going to be some sort of democracy(ie. 50 - 50 split) in the backfield. Seriously?

I'm not a college fan. Pete Carroll had Lendale White(?) pound the D a bunch and Bush fed off that right? In what I've read and seen in highlights this seems like a wise philosophy. I don't know what split is best(50/50 60/40,30/70) but it seems like Bush could feast on a D that was worn down a little from another back.

The unknown quantity here is Bush's maturation as a football player. None of these guys stand still. He's 21 years old and he's going to improve. His ceiling is as high as any player in the NFL and he's going to get every opprotunity in the world to take advantage of it. I think he will.

yeah but he won't be much more mature come september

At that point, he would be 8 months, 4 preseason games, 60 NFL practices, 20 OTA's, 30 press conferences, 200 interviews, 1 training camp, $10 million+ removed from his last snap as collegiate player. A lot can change when you're 21 years old. A lot more can change when you're 21 years old and you're name is Reggie Bush.

sorry for being realistic in a bush thread, my mistake

 

[ydub]

Bush might wind up being the shiznit, but I don't see why everyone is on his knob after this game. He got 44 of his yards on a busted play (15 yards on the other 5 rushes). The defense plugged the hole, but #93 (Kyle Vanden Bosch) didn't hold his position and contain the backside of the play. He cut to the hole & was unable to reverse his field quickly enough. Had he held his position, Bush likely would've been tackled for a loss.Way to go Reggie for having the speed to turn the corner, but please stop with the making something out of nothing posts. The containing defender blew his assignment.........

Nonsense. You think that's the last time a DE will overcommit on a Bush carry? The great ones consistently catch/pull defenders out of position. Nothing new here... IMO, the most impressive play from Bush was the swing pass where he intiated contact with PacMan Jones. On the first series he was in a similar position (in relation to Pac) and chose to hit the sidelines a couple of yards too soon when he had a one on one with Jones. He didn't make the same mistake twice. Whether it was due to sideline coaching/competive spirit/individual recognition/combination of factors...it doesn't matter. The mistake was corrected, and that's all you can ask from any player...much less a rook. He also had a nice inside run(left guard) which would've netted a lesser back 1-2 yards, and he was able to make a football move (juke) in middle field traffic which gave him an opprotunity to really show off his superior vision and turn it into a 6 yard gain. We all knew he could rip off 44 yard reverse field runs. It's the other things that "complete" RB's are capable of that are more of a concern. He sure looks like the real deal.

 

[tipsy mcstagger]

A little late, but here is the TP's notes on the game.

Backup QB has run-in with T-RacBrees-to-Bush could be start of something goodSunday, August 13, 2006By Benjamin HochmanNASHVILLE, TENN. -- Alert Gumbo the mascot.The Titans' mascot, T-Rac, was driving a golf cart during halftime when he crashed into Saints reserve quarterback Adrian McPherson.Seriously.McPherson stayed on the ground for several minutes and did not return to the Saints' sideline in the second half. He had played earlier on the second kickoff return team but wasn't scheduled to play quarterback.McPherson's knee injury was not serious, and he is expected to practice Monday."I'm all right," said McPherson.T-Rac is a five-time Pro Bowl mascot, according to the team's public address announcer.NEW ERA BEGINS: With 11:07 left in the first quarter, quarterback Drew Brees threw his first pass in his first Saints appearance, a one-yard gain to running back Reggie Bush. It was Bush's first NFL play. That was on second-and-four on the Saints' 20, followed by a Brees incomplete pass on third, forcing a Steve Weatherford punt (starting punter Mitch Berger is out with a groin injury).PACMAN GOBBLES: In the second quarter, Bush caught a pass, but instead of slipping out of bounds, he viciously collided with Titans cornerback Pacman Jones near the first-down marker. After the play, Jones jumped up and got in Bush's face, earning a flag for unsportsmanlike conduct.NO SURPRISES: As planned, running back Deuce McAllister did not play, resting his injured knee. Also, tight end Ernie Conwell, receivers Donté Stallworth and Michael Lewis and guards Montrae Holland, Jermane Mayberry and Chad Setterstrom took the night off. n defense, Rodney Leisle (defensive tackle), Willie Whitehead (defensive tackle), Tommy Polley (linebacker) and Mike McKenzie (cornerback) didn't play, and their penciled-in replacements all started -- Hollis Thomas, Brian Young, Colby Bockwoldt and Jason Craft.Backup quarterback Jason Fife didn't play.MIRACLE MAN: Remember Marcus Randall? He was the LSU quarterback who threw "The Bluegrass Miracle," the Hail Mary touchdown to beat Kentucky in 2002. He is trying to make the Titans' roster as a linebacker. He made four tackles on defense and one on special teams, mostly during the third quarter.Matt Mauck, the LSU quarterback who led the team to the 2003 national title, also is a Titan. He is battling for the third quarterback spot on their roster, and he played the lifeless final series in the fourth quarter.Also, 13-year veteran Kevin Mawae, a former Tigers center, played in the first half.EXTRA POINTS: Reserve running back Aaron Stecker was carted off the field with a sprained left ankle in the third quarter. He did not return. . . . In the first quarter, Craft was badly beaten by wide receiver Drew Bennett, who tried to corral a 45-yard pass five yards from the end zone. But the cornerback grabbed Bennett's arms from behind, forcing him to drop the ball before he secured it. . . . Receiver Bethel Johnson and running back Fred McAfee lined up as kick returners in the first quarter. Michael Lewis, a regular return man, is out with a knee injury. . . . Twice in the second quarter, the left side of the Saints' offensive line -- notably left tackle Jammal Brown -- was beaten, resulting in a sack and a hurry. . . . Saints defensive end Will Smith tackled Young in the second quarter for a four-yard loss, the Saints' lone sack of the first half.. . . . . . .Benjamin Hochman can be reached at bhochman@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3409.