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EBF
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But, but, but LenDale White got the carry on 4th-and-1 against Texas! Seeing as White isn't even good enough to make Tennessee's preseason game roster, we can hereby deduce that Reggie Bush will be out of the league within six weeks. It's simple mathematics.
Doctor Detroit
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Brees' throw was not comforting if you're a Saints fan. He wound up and let it loose and there was a TON of air under that thing. Not only was it completely off course, it had no velocity, it was practically a punt. If anything that throw was cause for concern, not reassurance.
Otis
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If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
Jackal King
Footballguy
That might be a bargain.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
packersfan
Footballguy
That's only slightly earlier than his ADP so it's hardly a reach. And when you consider how suspect so many of the RBs are after the Top 10 or so, I don't think it's a major reach to go for Bush -- so to speak -- if you really want him. If you really like Bush, why not grab him a little early? If you really believe in him as a RB2, show some stones and take him. Chances are he isn't going to last much longer than the middle of the third round in too many drafts.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
///Mike Shanahan/// "Nothing but a change of pace back" ///Mike Shanahan///
Against a good D like say the Bucs...no way. Brooks is disciplinned enough that he'll stay home and Bush better look out for the hit that's coming. Don't get me wrong, he can pull it off at times probably but he'd be in a hospital if he tried it several times a game. As for the Barry comparison...I guess, I mean who else is there to compare him too maybe Faulk. But Barry with speed, cmon now Barry was plenty fast. Bush's gotta play alot more years to be in their company I'm not a fan of comparisonsExactly. That's the kind of stuff that he did regularly in college, and all the haters have been saying he couldn't pull it off at the NFL level.Hi, meet Mr. Bush.Wasn't sure he could do that complete reverse field run in the NFL...WOW
bbuster
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Not a hater at all...I was just a bit skeptical. Not many people can pull off that kind of play in the NFL.This kid is obviously special. I doubt I will have him on any of my rosters this year though...he's gonna be going way too early.Exactly. That's the kind of stuff that he did regularly in college, and all the haters have been saying he couldn't pull it off at the NFL level.Hi, meet Mr. Bush.
I agree it was not pretty, just like the next dumpoff. I have seen several practices and they have not thrown long any. I was beginning to think that they would not ever throw long. The call is what was important, more than the throw.
packersfan
Footballguy
At his current pace even if Bush only gets 10 carries a game he'll still rush for 2,720 yards this season.
ydub
Footballguy
Same guy who said Kevin Barlow was "the best guy (RB) in the draft".
Doctor Detroit
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What league are you getting CJ at the end of the second round? Four team league? Gllllllllllllllllllllll.If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
cr8f
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Plus another 1000 catching passes. Good thing Houston passed on him.At his current pace even if Bush only gets 10 carries a game he'll still rush for 2,720 yards this season.
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joffer
Footballguy
that's hard to believe
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Many have the first tier of WRs very similar this year. While WR2 won't fall to the end of the second, many don't have CJ as WR2. CJ is a roleplayer in FF (go back and look at his numbers, he doesn't have the big games the other elite WRs have....only two multi-TD games in the last two years and only two over 20 pts in standard scoring leagues as opposed to guys like TO who had more than that in 7 games last year alone), I've got Smith, TO, Holt, and possibly Fitz and Moss ahead of him so I could see him falling to the end of the second in ~20-25% of drafts depending on how the owners have that first tier of WRs ordered.BTW EBF good postWhat league are you getting CJ at the end of the second round? Four team league? Gllllllllllllllllllllll.If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
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bbuster
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He looks fine. When he initally came out he looked a little shaken...but he was also coming off a long run and looked like he was out of breath. Anyway, he's standing on the sideline laughing now...not looking like he's hurting at all.It's just as likely that he's out now because he's already had 8 runs for 45 yards...as opposed to being out because he's hurt.
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Couch Potato
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Well, Bush is 6-59 now. He's fallen under 10 ypc. Definitely a bust.
///SSOG/// Take out that 44 yarder and he's only 5-15, 3.0 ypc. He'll be backing up Dayne. ///SSOG///
Darrinll40
Footballguy
Is Ten first D still in? How many yards does he have against the 1st D?
Billy1x
Footballguy
He got most of it on a busted play. But he still averaging 4 yards a carry and caught 2 passes for 10 yards. I don't think he had any negative yard runs..
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Doctor Detroit
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Many have the first tier of WRs very similar this year. While WR2 won't fall to the end of the second, many don't have CJ as WR2. CJ is a roleplayer in FF (go back and look at his numbers, he doesn't have the big games the other elite WRs have....only two multi-TD games in the last two years and only two over 20 pts in standard scoring leagues as opposed to guys like TO who had more than that in 7 games last year alone), I've got Smith, TO, Holt, and possibly Fitz and Moss ahead of him so I could see him falling to the end of the second in ~20-25% of drafts depending on how the owners have that first tier of WRs ordered.BTW EBF good postWhat league are you getting CJ at the end of the second round? Four team league? Gllllllllllllllllllllll.If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
I want to play in your league. TIA. 
FreeBaGeL
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Judging by your apparent close-mindedess you wouldn't last long. It's not like putting Smith, TO, and Holt ahead of CJ is going out on some huge limb. People are missing a few things on CJ, he fits into certain teams but he is not a guy that is going to carry a team like a WR needs to where people are drafting him (early 2nd in most cases), he just doesn't score enough.And just another fun little note about CJ. In the 14 games that Housh played in last year:Many have the first tier of WRs very similar this year. While WR2 won't fall to the end of the second, many don't have CJ as WR2. CJ is a roleplayer in FF (go back and look at his numbers, he doesn't have the big games the other elite WRs have....only two multi-TD games in the last two years and only two over 20 pts in standard scoring leagues as opposed to guys like TO who had more than that in 7 games last year alone), I've got Smith, TO, Holt, and possibly Fitz and Moss ahead of him so I could see him falling to the end of the second in ~20-25% of drafts depending on how the owners have that first tier of WRs ordered.BTW EBF good postWhat league are you getting CJ at the end of the second round? Four team league? Gllllllllllllllllllllll.If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
Chad Johnson: 1250yds, 7 TDs
Houshmanzadeh: 1030yds, 8 TDs
Doctor Detroit
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Maybe. If Stallworth can hold on to the ball I think he'll supplant Horn. But Horn will likely still be the primary redzone target.
Billy1x
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I've given up on Stalworth. Not sure if he will be #2 this year or not. He needs to dedicate himself to the game all year long. Not sure what his problem is.I also read Horn and Brees were spending a lot of time practicing after practice.
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CA_7
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I guess I am missing something??? Last year in my pt/rec league Chad was the #3 WR, in non-pt/rec he was #4 WR overall. (both are 6pt/TD, 1pt/10yds) I'd rather have big time consistency over multi-TD games and let my sleeper picks make up the difference.Judging by your apparent close-mindedess you wouldn't last long. It's not like putting Smith, TO, and Holt ahead of CJ is going out on some huge limb. People are missing a few things on CJ, he fits into certain teams but he is not a guy that is going to carry a team like a WR needs to where people are drafting him (early 2nd in most cases), he just doesn't score enough.And just another fun little note about CJ. In the 14 games that Housh played in last year:Many have the first tier of WRs very similar this year. While WR2 won't fall to the end of the second, many don't have CJ as WR2. CJ is a roleplayer in FF (go back and look at his numbers, he doesn't have the big games the other elite WRs have....only two multi-TD games in the last two years and only two over 20 pts in standard scoring leagues as opposed to guys like TO who had more than that in 7 games last year alone), I've got Smith, TO, Holt, and possibly Fitz and Moss ahead of him so I could see him falling to the end of the second in ~20-25% of drafts depending on how the owners have that first tier of WRs ordered.BTW EBF good postWhat league are you getting CJ at the end of the second round? Four team league? Gllllllllllllllllllllll.If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
Chad Johnson: 1250yds, 7 TDs
Houshmanzadeh: 1030yds, 8 TDs
tipsy mcstagger
Footballguy
Give up on Devery Henderson...he will be out of the NFL for good at the end of this camp. I have heard on the Bobby Hebert show everyday about how he can barely even catch a ball. Same thing was his "knock" coming out of LSU...sure he is fast as anyone, but hands like butter.I wouldn't give up on Stallworth just yet...he is in a contract year after all.
Sand
Footballguy
I might have a lonely opinion here, but from college to reports through camp so far I bet that Hass ends up as the #3 this year.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Fair enough, but giving up an early 2nd round pick for a consistent 10-12 pts/game doesn't seem like the greatest fit. You're going to be hurting a bit more at RB waiting until pick ~35 to get another one at the earliest, and RBs down there are going to have really off weeks that only guys like Smith and TO can make up for, not to mention guys like that can win you games with those 2/3 TD performances and still put up good numbers even on "off" weeks. They're just about as consistent as CJ but their "big" weeks are much "bigger".Meanwhile, I like Holt over CJ because he's been consistently putting up the same numbers as CJ but has done it longer and with more turnover (we've seen Holt's numbers remain constant even with QB3 in there, how would CJ fare if something happened to Carson?).I guess I am missing something??? Last year in my pt/rec league Chad was the #3 WR, in non-pt/rec he was #4 WR overall. (both are 6pt/TD, 1pt/10yds) I'd rather have big time consistency over multi-TD games and let my sleeper picks make up the difference.Judging by your apparent close-mindedess you wouldn't last long. It's not like putting Smith, TO, and Holt ahead of CJ is going out on some huge limb. People are missing a few things on CJ, he fits into certain teams but he is not a guy that is going to carry a team like a WR needs to where people are drafting him (early 2nd in most cases), he just doesn't score enough.And just another fun little note about CJ. In the 14 games that Housh played in last year:Many have the first tier of WRs very similar this year. While WR2 won't fall to the end of the second, many don't have CJ as WR2. CJ is a roleplayer in FF (go back and look at his numbers, he doesn't have the big games the other elite WRs have....only two multi-TD games in the last two years and only two over 20 pts in standard scoring leagues as opposed to guys like TO who had more than that in 7 games last year alone), I've got Smith, TO, Holt, and possibly Fitz and Moss ahead of him so I could see him falling to the end of the second in ~20-25% of drafts depending on how the owners have that first tier of WRs ordered.BTW EBF good postWhat league are you getting CJ at the end of the second round? Four team league? Gllllllllllllllllllllll.If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
Chad Johnson: 1250yds, 7 TDs
Houshmanzadeh: 1030yds, 8 TDs
EDIT: I don't play in any ppr leagues so I can't comment on that.
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barry actually got caught from behind a lot... he may have been the QUICKEST RB ever, and he also had mutant stop-start & change of direction ability...bush is quick & fast... he wasn't the fastest sprinter in the state of CA as a prep, but i think he finished second or third in state meet. i'm pretty sure barry couldn't have beat reggie in a long sprint... then again, RBs don't have 100 yard runs too often (though i saw sanders run close to 100 yards laterally on some of his 5-10 yard gainersAgainst a good D like say the Bucs...no way. Brooks is disciplinned enough that he'll stay home and Bush better look out for the hit that's coming. Don't get me wrong, he can pull it off at times probably but he'd be in a hospital if he tried it several times a game. As for the Barry comparison...I guess, I mean who else is there to compare him too maybe Faulk. But Barry with speed, cmon now Barry was plenty fast. Bush's gotta play alot more years to be in their company I'm not a fan of comparisonsExactly. That's the kind of stuff that he did regularly in college, and all the haters have been saying he couldn't pull it off at the NFL level.Hi, meet Mr. Bush.
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Doctor Detroit
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No wonder your team went 7-6 last year. No PPR leagues? Really? Huh. PM me when the season is up and we'll compare notes on Holt and CJ.Fair enough, but giving up an early 2nd round pick for a consistent 10-12 pts/game doesn't seem like the greatest fit. You're going to be hurting a bit more at RB waiting until pick ~35 to get another one at the earliest, and RBs down there are going to have really off weeks that only guys like Smith and TO can make up for, not to mention guys like that can win you games with those 2/3 TD performances and still put up good numbers even on "off" weeks. They're just about as consistent as CJ but their "big" weeks are much "bigger".Meanwhile, I like Holt over CJ because he's been consistently putting up the same numbers as CJ but has done it longer and with more turnover (we've seen Holt's numbers remain constant even with QB3 in there, how would CJ fare if something happened to Carson?).I guess I am missing something??? Last year in my pt/rec league Chad was the #3 WR, in non-pt/rec he was #4 WR overall. (both are 6pt/TD, 1pt/10yds) I'd rather have big time consistency over multi-TD games and let my sleeper picks make up the difference.Judging by your apparent close-mindedess you wouldn't last long. It's not like putting Smith, TO, and Holt ahead of CJ is going out on some huge limb. People are missing a few things on CJ, he fits into certain teams but he is not a guy that is going to carry a team like a WR needs to where people are drafting him (early 2nd in most cases), he just doesn't score enough.And just another fun little note about CJ. In the 14 games that Housh played in last year:Many have the first tier of WRs very similar this year. While WR2 won't fall to the end of the second, many don't have CJ as WR2. CJ is a roleplayer in FF (go back and look at his numbers, he doesn't have the big games the other elite WRs have....only two multi-TD games in the last two years and only two over 20 pts in standard scoring leagues as opposed to guys like TO who had more than that in 7 games last year alone), I've got Smith, TO, Holt, and possibly Fitz and Moss ahead of him so I could see him falling to the end of the second in ~20-25% of drafts depending on how the owners have that first tier of WRs ordered.BTW EBF good postWhat league are you getting CJ at the end of the second round? Four team league? Gllllllllllllllllllllll.If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
Chad Johnson: 1250yds, 7 TDs
Houshmanzadeh: 1030yds, 8 TDs
EDIT: I don't play in any ppr leagues so I can't comment on that.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Seriously, what are you 12? Wtf is your problem?Why don't you grow up and come up with an argument for something better than "har har, you suck" and then get back to me. I won't bother responding to any more posts that you let a 6 year old type up for you.No wonder your team went 7-6 last year. No PPR leagues? Really? Huh. PM me when the season is up and we'll compare notes on Holt and CJ.Fair enough, but giving up an early 2nd round pick for a consistent 10-12 pts/game doesn't seem like the greatest fit. You're going to be hurting a bit more at RB waiting until pick ~35 to get another one at the earliest, and RBs down there are going to have really off weeks that only guys like Smith and TO can make up for, not to mention guys like that can win you games with those 2/3 TD performances and still put up good numbers even on "off" weeks. They're just about as consistent as CJ but their "big" weeks are much "bigger".Meanwhile, I like Holt over CJ because he's been consistently putting up the same numbers as CJ but has done it longer and with more turnover (we've seen Holt's numbers remain constant even with QB3 in there, how would CJ fare if something happened to Carson?).I guess I am missing something??? Last year in my pt/rec league Chad was the #3 WR, in non-pt/rec he was #4 WR overall. (both are 6pt/TD, 1pt/10yds) I'd rather have big time consistency over multi-TD games and let my sleeper picks make up the difference.Judging by your apparent close-mindedess you wouldn't last long. It's not like putting Smith, TO, and Holt ahead of CJ is going out on some huge limb. People are missing a few things on CJ, he fits into certain teams but he is not a guy that is going to carry a team like a WR needs to where people are drafting him (early 2nd in most cases), he just doesn't score enough.And just another fun little note about CJ. In the 14 games that Housh played in last year:Many have the first tier of WRs very similar this year. While WR2 won't fall to the end of the second, many don't have CJ as WR2. CJ is a roleplayer in FF (go back and look at his numbers, he doesn't have the big games the other elite WRs have....only two multi-TD games in the last two years and only two over 20 pts in standard scoring leagues as opposed to guys like TO who had more than that in 7 games last year alone), I've got Smith, TO, Holt, and possibly Fitz and Moss ahead of him so I could see him falling to the end of the second in ~20-25% of drafts depending on how the owners have that first tier of WRs ordered.BTW EBF good postWhat league are you getting CJ at the end of the second round? Four team league? Gllllllllllllllllllllll.If I pick first overall and can build a team of LJ, CJ or Holt, and then Bush on the turnaround . . . especially in a PPR league . . . let's just say I would be very, very pleased.A guy in my league is notorious for drafting rookies....hes gonna be all over Bush no later than pick 3.01
Chad Johnson: 1250yds, 7 TDs
Houshmanzadeh: 1030yds, 8 TDs
EDIT: I don't play in any ppr leagues so I can't comment on that.
And just FYI, I wouldn't draft Holt in the early 2nd either. Smith and TO are the only receivers I would think about that early.
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bocksheesh
Footballguy
Looks like he got tackled on that long run, and fell on the ball.Good run, but man that guy is still such a ####.
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
How does VY look?
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