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Pre 1 (SUN) WAS @ CIN (1 Viewer)

A couple of things I saw in the game that I didn't see too much posted on.

Cinci's D had two picks in the 1st half. Brunell once adn Collins once. Along with a safety by the bengals that was almost a TD if the DLman didn't drop it.

Also Henry is looking Randy Moss like. He goes up high and snatches it out of the air - he got a long fluid stride too.

Jason Cambell is look good and bad. He is staying in the pocket under pressure but not playing with much talent around him. I think he'd do better playing in the 2nd quater. Todd Collins looked terrible and if anythign comes from this game it should be that Cambell should start the next PS game ahead of him.

 
Campbell looks shaky. some great throws, then a poor one. I, for one, am worried about 'skin off players this year. a Brunell injury would be brutal on this pass game. Collins and Campbell are not ready, imo

 
Campbell looks shaky. some great throws, then a poor one. I, for one, am worried about 'skin off players this year. a Brunell injury would be brutal on this pass game. Collins and Campbell are not ready, imo
So I guess your worried about the Colts offense players to. If Manning goes down Sorgi sucks.... And IF my Aunt had Balls she'd be my UNCLE
 
Campbell looks shaky. some great throws, then a poor one. I, for one, am worried about 'skin off players this year. a Brunell injury would be brutal on this pass game. Collins and Campbell are not ready, imo
Cambell looks much better then Collins. Collins has had years to get better but Cambell looks good for so little experience. If Brunell goes down it would be tough.
 
Campbell looks shaky. some great throws, then a poor one. I, for one, am worried about 'skin off players this year. a Brunell injury would be brutal on this pass game. Collins and Campbell are not ready, imo
So I guess your worried about the Colts offense players to. If Manning goes down Sorgi sucks.... And IF my Aunt had Balls she'd be my UNCLE
not at all. I just know there are several 'skin players drafted high. BTW, I feel the same about AZ with Navarre.So, you are impressed with the 'skins offense tonite?
 
Is a separated shoulder bad or is it something they can just pop back into place?
Kevin Jones & Michael Clayton had the same type off injury last year. Both suffered down seasons because they couldn't take hit.Seperated means the tissue was torn. It can pop back into place but can now be dislocated much easier. His abilty to raise his arm high could also be affected. Taking a hit could be very painful,
 
<--- Glad he held on to Henry despite the rap sheet this off-season
yeah, he was looking good while he was in. 6 for 61 or something like that.My league has a $5 arrest penalty so he is still a free agent, but after tonight he could be worth the risk
Ouch. I thought people just joked about having those type of penalties. I'd pick him up. If he's arrested many more times, he'll be gone anyways.
 
Campbell looks shaky. some great throws, then a poor one. I, for one, am worried about 'skin off players this year. a Brunell injury would be brutal on this pass game. Collins and Campbell are not ready, imo
So I guess your worried about the Colts offense players to. If Manning goes down Sorgi sucks.... And IF my Aunt had Balls she'd be my UNCLE
not at all. I just know there are several 'skin players drafted high. BTW, I feel the same about AZ with Navarre.So, you are impressed with the 'skins offense tonite?
No but as a Skins fan I know Joe is gonna show nothing. So I don't watch to see our offense. I watch to see the new guys. But I was impressed with the Starters on Def 1st 2 series. The 1st team held the Bengals to Minus yards......
 
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Campbell looks shaky. some great throws, then a poor one. I, for one, am worried about 'skin off players this year. a Brunell injury would be brutal on this pass game. Collins and Campbell are not ready, imo
So I guess your worried about the Colts offense players to. If Manning goes down Sorgi sucks.... And IF my Aunt had Balls she'd be my UNCLE
No, if "your aunt was as old as Brunell", that's how I think that one goes. No one can predict injuries, but you can put certain QB's in a "more likely" category to break down. I put Brunell and Brad Johnson in that category.
 
Portis was interviewed at the end of the game and seemed a bit down. Said he doesn't want to play in the PS anymore and hopes to be ready for the season opener. Pretty generic responses to some basic questions. Arm was still in a sling.

 
I'm an EMT. Most of what is being reported right now is just plain wrong.

A shoulder separation is when the ligaments collectively known as the "A/C" joint are strained or torn outright (giving us varying degrees of separation)... this joint is where the clavicle (collar bone) and scapula (shoulder blade) come together.

A dislocation is when the head of the humerus pops out of the shoulder joint. Somehow a dislocation must be "reduced" which is usually done by a medical professional putting the head of the humerous back into socket.

A subluxation is when the head of the humerus pops out of the shoulder joint - and then pops back into place without any outside assistance.

You can not pop a seperated shoulder back into place, I don't care what KFFL or any other "news service" tries to tell you. It is a completely different injury, involving a completely different part of the shoulder.

We won't know the length of time Clinton will miss until we know the degree of his separation, which will be revealed by further medical testing. A 1st degree separation is a strain of the A/C ligaments, and we could see him back very soon. A 3rd degree separation would mean a complete tear of the ligaments, and be great cause for concern to 'skins fans and those of us in the FF world. Obviously, a 2nd degree tear would be somewhere between the two.

Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.
Any idea how bad Kevin Jones seperation was last year for a comparison.
 
As a Portis owner I hope he is able to get back on the field for week 1 Monday night against the Vikings. That is roughly a month of rehab but I will settle for week 2. I just drafted today at 4:30 today picked him up with the 4th pick.

 
A couple of things I saw in the game that I didn't see too much posted on.

Cinci's D had two picks in the 1st half. Brunell once adn Collins once. Along with a safety by the bengals that was almost a TD if the DLman didn't drop it.

Also Henry is looking Randy Moss like. He goes up high and snatches it out of the air - he got a long fluid stride too.

Jason Cambell is look good and bad. He is staying in the pocket under pressure but not playing with much talent around him. I think he'd do better playing in the 2nd quater. Todd Collins looked terrible and if anythign comes from this game it should be that Cambell should start the next PS game ahead of him.
I thought the qb rotation has already been announced. Next week, Cambell plays 2nd, some with the 1st stringers and some with the 2nd stringers. Cambell will get plenty of action, so he could play into the 3rd quarter.
 
Just saw Portis interviewed on redskins.com. says ist sore, and he begins rehab tomarrow. I really don't see him missing week 1, its 4 weeks from tonights, thats just me speculating, but he's a gamer.

 
Some of my observations on the Redskins:

1. Rock Cartright was the 2nd rb in the game. He came is as a half back, not a fullback. Betts did not play.

2. I did not see Randle El. Did he even play?

3. The whole 2nd team looked bad (Todd Collins especially). Kerry Carter did not look good as the 3rd rb in the game.

4. Starting defense looked good. Held Cincy D to negative yards

5. Jason Cambell looked good at times. The 3rd string OL looked like it was doing ok against Cincy's scrubs.

6. Gibbs stared camp quite late. That may have affected the Redskins performance.

 
Found this on another board

The St. Louis Blues announced Wednesday that Doug Weight and Barret Jackman are each expected to be out 1-2 weeks.

The two stars are now doubtful for St. Louis' regular-season opener next Wednesday at Detroit.

According to a report in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Weight "sublexed" his left shoulder during the team's morning skate, while Jackman suffered a slight separation of his left shoulder on a hard hit in Tuesday's 3-1 preseason loss to the Dallas Stars.

The newspaper also reported that Weight had an MRI on Tuesday. It showed no damage, but swelling in the rotator cuff.

 
Ugh. You are spreading information that is just wrong. A seperated shoulder CAN NOT be popped back into place. A seperated shoulder is NOT related to a dislocation. They both involve the shoulder, and the similarities end there. A separation will not make someone more prone to a dislocation.

Is a separated shoulder bad or is it something they can just pop back into place?
Kevin Jones & Michael Clayton had the same type off injury last year. Both suffered down seasons because they couldn't take hit.Seperated means the tissue was torn. It can pop back into place but can now be dislocated much easier. His abilty to raise his arm high could also be affected. Taking a hit could be very painful,
 
Just got back from the game - a couple things that stuck out to me:

- The Bengals 1st team offense was awful or the Skins D was great, or some combo of both

- The Bengals pass D still seems a bit weak - they didn't really put much pressure of Brunell against the 1st team offense. This gave Brunell lots of time to make the right reads and connect with the open receiver

- Anthony Wright didn't want to throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield

- The Bengals have more/better depth than the Redskins and after the starters came out of the game, the Bengals dominated

- The whole stadium boo'd Bettis a couple times when the halftime crew was on air :thumbup:

ETA: Brad St. Louis is a stud. He's the Bengals snapper on punts and there were a couple occasions where he made the snap and the tackle on the same play. Guys like this don't get much credit, but he's a crucial part of the Bengals Special Teams

 
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Just got back from the game - a couple things that stuck out to me:- The Bengals 1st team offense was awful or the Skins D was great, or some combo of both- The Bengals pass D still seems a bit weak - they didn't really put much pressure of Brunell against the 1st team offense. This gave Brunell lots of time to make the right reads and connect with the open receiver- Anthony Wright didn't want to throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield- The Bengals have more/better depth than the Redskins and after the starters came out of the game, the Bengals dominated- The whole stadium boo'd Bettis a couple times when the halftime crew was on air :thumbup:ETA: Brad St. Louis is a stud. He's the Bengals snapper on punts and there were a couple occasions where he made the snap and the tackle on the same play. Guys like this don't get much credit, but he's a crucial part of the Bengals Special Teams
First team offense was okay. I'd have liked to see the run blocking perform better; it didn't look like the Skins interior line was doing anything special. Unfortunately, what you see is what you get with Wright. Inconsistent. And I keep hearing about this big arm he's got but he underthrew TJ by a good three to five yards on the flea flicker. Besides the fact that, as Jeff George knows, it don't matter if you can throw a ball through a brick wall if you can't hit the wall.With regard to the defense, the pass rush pressure will have to come from the backers and secondary for the most part. Sam Adams may help the ends get some more one-on-one looks, but Smith and Robinson and Geathers aren't going to have OL actively gameplanning against them in all likelihood.
 
Aug 13 Updating earlier reports, Portis suffered a partially dislocated left shoulder in the first quarter of Sunday night's game against the Bengals, the Redskins' official site reports.

Recommendation: Portis was taken into the locker room for X-rays and no fractures were found, but he underwent an MRI and the Redskins announced that he has a shoulder subluxation injury, meaning that he suffered a partial dislocation of a joint in the shoulder. The team's training staff was able to put the dislocated shoulder back into place. We'll continue to keep a close eye on this situation.

He'll be fine....

 
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Just got back from the game - a couple things that stuck out to me:- The Bengals 1st team offense was awful or the Skins D was great, or some combo of both- The Bengals pass D still seems a bit weak - they didn't really put much pressure of Brunell against the 1st team offense. This gave Brunell lots of time to make the right reads and connect with the open receiver- Anthony Wright didn't want to throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield- The Bengals have more/better depth than the Redskins and after the starters came out of the game, the Bengals dominated- The whole stadium boo'd Bettis a couple times when the halftime crew was on air :thumbup:ETA: Brad St. Louis is a stud. He's the Bengals snapper on punts and there were a couple occasions where he made the snap and the tackle on the same play. Guys like this don't get much credit, but he's a crucial part of the Bengals Special Teams
My take from the south endzone:1. It's painfully obvious that Wright has a ways to go towards getting any semblance of timing down with the offense. It seemed like the Bengals were more interested in running pass plays to evaluate Wright than they were in getting the running game going, especially after the botched handoff (fake to the fullback, horrible handoff, loss of about 10). Hopefully it helped, but that was a brutal half of football to sit through.2. Some of those sideline patterns are going to go the other way for TD's against first string defenses. They aren't timed-up well enough for the lack of zip they were putting on the ball (Doug Johnson especially).3. The pass rush still stinks.4. When he wants to, Chris Henry can dominate.5. Ahmad Brooks isn't going to have an Odell-type rookie year.
 
CrossEyed said:
Big Papi said:
Just got back from the game - a couple things that stuck out to me:- The whole stadium boo'd Bettis a couple times when the halftime crew was on air :thumbup:
Envy is an ugly thing. ;)
Not as ugly as Bettis.Anyway, after seeing the game, I was impressed by Henry and am looking forward to him and CJ running past everyone's secondary for all kinds of TDs. Also, the Bengals OL wasn't the starting one this season, they had two very raw project players sitting in for Bobbie Williams and I think it was Steinbach or Levi, I forget. But, they had Stacy Andrews and Andrew Whitworth (2nd rounder) in there and they let some running plays get blown up, but I am looking forward to them eventually stepping in for Willie Anderson and perhaps Steinbach if they choose to not resign him for the big money he's going to be asking for. Overall, I liked Jonathan Joseph's performance and can see him getting significant playing time this year.
 
Recap:

Some things to watch for from the Redskins:

1) Al Saunders' offense - Gibbs likes to is paranoid as all hell about revealing nothing in the preseason and keeping his offense (and defense for that matter) as vanilla as possible. Still, the offense should demonstrate some level of success at pre-snap motion, spreading the offense and creating both running and passing lanes. Look to see how smoothly the offense is being run during the first series.
A couple things I noticed. First of all, Saunders used no pre-snap motion, which is always a hallmark of his offenses. This was a very vanilla offensive scheme. Despite that, there were multiple occasions on which a receiver (WR's only) had separation against Cinci's 1st team offense. Brunell completed two such passes, 1 to Moss and 1 on a circus catch to Lloyd. The early INT and Portis' injury and replacement with Kerry Carter in the lineup made the running game difficult to evaluate.
2) Offensive line - Every member of the o-line underwent surgery this last offseason with the exception being LG Derrick Dockery. All appear to be fully healed, including RG Randy Thomas from a broken leg, with the possible exception of C Casey Rabach who suffered a deep, severe leg laceration that required a skin graft. All should be playing. O-line depth is a concern at all positions, so also watch the backups to look for obvious problems.
The starting offensive line looked impressive against the 1st team defense. Brunell had lots of time to throw, and the run blocking almost always had at least a couple of d-linemen driven a few yards off the line of scrimmage. The backups looked like, well, backups, especially against the 1st team defense that they initially faced. Backup lines are hard to evaluate too, though, because they never have the cohesiveness of a line that's been together, so it's hard to tell how much their difficulty is lack of talent versus lack of cohesion.
3) Chris Cooley - multiple sources have said that the primary beneficiary from Saunders' offense should be Chris Cooley, who will be playing a full-fledged TE position in this offense as opposed to his H-back role from the last two years. With 3-WR sets being almost the base set, Cooley should almost always be (mis)matched against a LB or safety. He'll also have plays (though likely limited to none or only one that we'll see) designed for him specifically to catch passes 15-20 yards or more deep.
Cooley was not all that impressive, albeit in a vanilla offensive scheme. They tried to get the ball to him multiple times, but he rarely had separation, in part because it appeared Cincy always put a LB on him in man coverage on the short routes. There was no attempted play to him deeper than 10 yards or so.
4) Multiple WR sets - Last year, no WR not named "Steve Smith" was more of a monopoly on his own team's passing game than was Santana Moss. This year, Brandon Lloyd will play the flanker position opposite of Moss, with Randle El in the slot in 3 WR sets. Occasionally, Moss will switch with Randle El in the slot, or David Patten will join them in a 4 WR set. The point of this is to create mismatches on at least one WR (or for Cooley, or both). Look for big play opportunities for these receivers like you saw in KC and in St. Louis under Martz.
Moss and Lloyd were open multiple times downfield and the offense looked like it had some explosive, big play opportunities. While Randle El was virtually invisible, he was playing with Todd Collins and the 2nd team as the 1st team was always in a 2 WR set. Patten didn't play.
5) Clinton Portis - Saunders' offense relies solely on zone blocking with only relatively few set blocking schemes being held over from Gibbs' offense. Portis prefers to make his own reads and cut upfield at will, which is what zone blocking allows him to do. This, along with the multiple receiving options, should create running lanes for Portis.
Unfortunately, the biggest thing we got from the game was that Portis was injured. His one run was a nice, hard 8-yard run in traffic on a cut-back to the right side. His legs look healthy. The rest of the running game looked poor, but they were handing the ball off either to 4th string (or lower) HB's and FB's the rest of the night. Again, though, the starting line appeared to be blocking very well.
6) Todd Collins vs. Jason Campbell - Collins will be the second QB to play today, and is presently listed as the 2nd QB on the depth chart ahead of Campbell. So far, this is based solely upon the fact that Collins is a 5+-year veteran of Saunders' offense and is better equipped than the raw but talented Campbell to run it at this juncture. Campbell is scheduled to play the second half, but should play a little with the first team in the second preseason game.
Jason Campbell is clearly both the future of this franchise at QB, and is equally clearly still learning how to make reads and good game decisions. He throws as pretty of a deep ball as anyone. Collins looked extremely rusty, but got marginally better as he settled in with the 2nd team (mostly versus Cincy's 1st team defense).
7) Backup skill position players to watch.

- RB Jesse Lumsden: he ran decisively with surprising quickness and power in last Saturday's scrimmage with the Ravens, impressing lots of watchers. He's vying to be the 3rd (and last) HB on the roster behind Portis and Betts.

- TE Robert Johnson: he's massive and can run with great hands . . . at least in practice. He would be an interesting second receiving option at TE if his practice skills are not an illusion. Gibbs historically has been a big fan of the versatility of the 2 TE, 2WR, 1 RB set both to run from and to pass from.

- FB's Sellers, Cartwright, Manual Wright & Nehemiah Broughton: one of these guys won't make it through camp, and I've listed them in the order they are on the depth chart. Broughton may also get a few carries as his brute strength made him a project drafted last year that was more or less the Redskins version of the Giants' Brandon Jacobs, albeit lower rated. Broughton has an outside shot of supplanting Jesse Lumsden as the last HB if he impresses, but Lumsden has the advantage so far.

- WR Mike Espy: he's presently the 7th WR on the depth chart, but Taylor Jacobs will be cut (I'd bet my next paycheck on that) and Espy has been impressive in camp. Think Patrick Crayton circa 2004. He'll probably make the practice squad given Gibbs' love of James Thrash's uncomplaining and tough special teams and role playing, but if Espy was to make the roster it would be at Thrash's expense absent an injury to someone else.
Lumsdon didn't play, and Kerry Carter looked poor . . . before he suffered a knee injury. Robert Johnson had only one target, and that was on an ill-advised, safety valve dump-off when he was closely covered.

The FB's were an interesting story. Cartwright got a lot of carries, but that may have been because Lumsdon wasn't playing and they needed someone besides Carter to carry the ball. Sellers got both carries and multiple targets and catches, implying that he might be involved in the offense more than just blocking. Manual White had a couple of nice receptions and runs, including one in which he completely faked out Ahmad Brooks on a cut back. Broughton had a handful of carries and ran hard, but for not a lot of yardage.

Mike Espy continues to impress with his speed, his hands and his willingness to sacrifice his body to make plays. He's making a play to make the roster and, as his traits are those that has made Gibbs love the aging James Thrash, Espy might threaten Thrash's spot as the 5th WR after all.

 

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