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Preseason Game Observations (1 Viewer)

Kenny Powers said:
silentcoach said:
cstu said:
Looking like a career year for Forte.
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looks like Bush will still vulture tds?
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Bush had what, 5 TDs last year?

Who knows what he does this year, but if Im considering Forte I wouldnt be worried about that (and I thought the same before tonight)
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It limits his upside. Those are 5 tds Forte could have had, no?

Forte had 5 rushing tds and Bush had 5....so he's cutting his tds in half, in theory.

But overall, i agree that it wouldnt let me affect me drafting him.

 
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what is the point in joining a crappy preseason game in progress? just cut the last 30 minutes off and start from the beginning.

 
Watched much of the Seahawks/Packers game just now on DVR.

- Russell Wilson was disappointing.

- Green Bay could struggle if Nelson/Cobb are limited. Jones struggles to beat coverage. Finley looked like the only real playmaker on the field.

- Eddie Lacy looked slow and sluggish. Very disappointing.

- On the other hand, Christine Michael looked very explosive. Good power too. Crazy as it seems, I don't think I'd trade him for any other rookie RB in dynasty at this point.

- Seattle TE Luke Willson played early and often. Made some nice blocks too. Definitely looking like a solid player.

- Chris Harper is pretty far down the Seahawks depth chart and at risk of getting cut. He will likely have a big audition next week and he needs to make some plays.

 
EBF said:
Watched much of the Seahawks/Packers game just now on DVR.

- Russell Wilson was disappointing.

- Green Bay could struggle if Nelson/Cobb are limited. Jones struggles to beat coverage. Finley looked like the only real playmaker on the field.

- Eddie Lacy looked slow and sluggish. Very disappointing.

- On the other hand, Christine Michael looked very explosive. Good power too. Crazy as it seems, I don't think I'd trade him for any other rookie RB in dynasty at this point.

- Seattle TE Luke Willson played early and often. Made some nice blocks too. Definitely looking like a solid player.

- Chris Harper is pretty far down the Seahawks depth chart and at risk of getting cut. He will likely have a big audition next week and he needs to make some plays.
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Gosh I hope the other guys at my draft tomorrow have this same outlook on Lacy.

 
Didnt get to watch the game. Did Marshall make it on the field much, or did Jay decide to shut everyone up about the Marshall connection?

 
Something I noticed in regards to the Raiders score keeping, they are not giving assists on tackles. The Raiders as a team have 0 and the Bears only have about 5 or so. The Raiders are not one of the notoriously stingy score keeping teams (Like the Rams) but if this is the way it will be this year, IDP'ers should take note. Personally I think the Raiders D will be on the field a lot and this could impact guys like, Roach, Moore, Branch, Burnett, Woodson.

 
lukinrats said:
Didnt get to watch the game. Did Marshall make it on the field much, or did Jay decide to shut everyone up about the Marshall connection?
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Marshall had a few drops and Cutler threw a little behind him on one and it got poked out by the DB. I do think Jay was focussed on get Alshon the ball tonight - he was almost as locked on Jeffrey as he was on Marshall last season - probably just showing defenses that he can throw to someone else. He did have a few nice passes to Bennet too - one of them Bennet could have held on to for a big gain.

 
Would have been nice to see Pryor playing against Chicago's first-string defense, to see whether this enthusiasm is warranted or not, but that ship has sailed. I don't expect Seattle's starting defense will play much, if at all against the Raiders next week.

 
Raider Nation said:
Would have been nice to see Pryor playing against Chicago's first-string defense, to see whether this enthusiasm is warranted or not, but that ship has sailed. I don't expect Seattle's starting defense will play much, if at all against the Raiders next week.
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Is there any way that Pryor could go into the season as the starter? He could end up with 800 rushing yards on broken pass plays alone.

 
Gawain said:
Raider Nation said:
Would have been nice to see Pryor playing against Chicago's first-string defense, to see whether this enthusiasm is warranted or not, but that ship has sailed. I don't expect Seattle's starting defense will play much, if at all against the Raiders next week.
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Is there any way that Pryor could go into the season as the starter? He could end up with 800 rushing yards on broken pass plays alone.
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After tonight, you have to think the coaches are gonna huddle up and give this some serious thought.

Flynn: 3-6, 19 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs

Pryor: 7-9, 93 yards 1 TD, 0 INT .... 4 rushes, 37 yards, 1 TD

But the biggest thing is, where's the downside? Flynn starts and MAYBE gets you 4 wins, and he's clearly not the future.

 
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People in deep leagues should not sleep on Pryor. Tebow had value when he started strictly due to running ability. I remember when Pryor was being recruited and was imagined as a Lebron James at QB. People will always hate him because he throws a lame duck ball but if he puts it together I could see him as a poor mans Donovan Mcnabb, maybe a better runner than that.

 
MaxThreshold said:
EBF said:
Watched much of the Seahawks/Packers game just now on DVR.

- Russell Wilson was disappointing.

- Green Bay could struggle if Nelson/Cobb are limited. Jones struggles to beat coverage. Finley looked like the only real playmaker on the field.

- Eddie Lacy looked slow and sluggish. Very disappointing.

- On the other hand, Christine Michael looked very explosive. Good power too. Crazy as it seems, I don't think I'd trade him for any other rookie RB in dynasty at this point.

- Seattle TE Luke Willson played early and often. Made some nice blocks too. Definitely looking like a solid player.

- Chris Harper is pretty far down the Seahawks depth chart and at risk of getting cut. He will likely have a big audition next week and he needs to make some plays.
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Gosh I hope the other guys at my draft tomorrow have this same outlook on Lacy.
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So do I. He looked great IMO. The run that got called back for a holding call was all I needed to see to know he is going to be a very good RB in the NFL. He looked like a young Bettis on that run.
 
I wasn't able to catch any of the games last night. I'm having a hard time trying decipher if everyone here is just in love with Lacy or if there really was something that points to this guy being worth his ADP. I've read all the excuses and they sound pretty bad to me.

Cobb and Nelson are out: Ok, didn't realize those guys played offensive line

Backup QB: See above.

One good run got called back from a hold: Some say it was the hold that opened up the hole. Others may be blinded by love.

It's the Seattle D: True, but I don't want my RB having negative yards on 8 carries even if they are playing against an all star team.

Can someone post something of value and actual insight? Only positive I've seen (which is a big positive) is that he was picking up pass blocks well. Vonta Leach is a great blocker as well, but I'm not drafting him. Don't tell me that he was a beast, etc. because no player that touches the ball 8 times and goes for negative yards is a beast.

 
steveski said:
I wasn't able to catch any of the games last night. I'm having a hard time trying decipher if everyone here is just in love with Lacy or if there really was something that points to this guy being worth his ADP. I've read all the excuses and they sound pretty bad to me.

Cobb and Nelson are out: Ok, didn't realize those guys played offensive line

Backup QB: See above.

One good run got called back from a hold: Some say it was the hold that opened up the hole. Others may be blinded by love.

It's the Seattle D: True, but I don't want my RB having negative yards on 8 carries even if they are playing against an all star team.

Can someone post something of value and actual insight? Only positive I've seen (which is a big positive) is that he was picking up pass blocks well. Vonta Leach is a great blocker as well, but I'm not drafting him. Don't tell me that he was a beast, etc. because no player that touches the ball 8 times and goes for negative yards is a beast.
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Do you not realize that defenses will change their schemes and load the box when you have a backup QB and below average WRs in the game? That will kill any running lanes for a RB.

 
steveski said:
I wasn't able to catch any of the games last night. I'm having a hard time trying decipher if everyone here is just in love with Lacy or if there really was something that points to this guy being worth his ADP. I've read all the excuses and they sound pretty bad to me.

Cobb and Nelson are out: Ok, didn't realize those guys played offensive line

Backup QB: See above.

One good run got called back from a hold: Some say it was the hold that opened up the hole. Others may be blinded by love.

It's the Seattle D: True, but I don't want my RB having negative yards on 8 carries even if they are playing against an all star team.

Can someone post something of value and actual insight? Only positive I've seen (which is a big positive) is that he was picking up pass blocks well. Vonta Leach is a great blocker as well, but I'm not drafting him. Don't tell me that he was a beast, etc. because no player that touches the ball 8 times and goes for negative yards is a beast.
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All the above are valid comments. Given the right situation Lacy looks like he could be a star. However, the Packers aren't committed to running the ball. I'll be shocked if they have a RB gain 800 yards this season. They might "try" to run the ball at times, but their heart isn't in it. They know they are going to score points and win games by allowing Rogers to zip the ball all over the field. They aren't a physically dominating offense. They're finesse. To consistently run the ball in the NFL you have to have an offensive line that has the right demeanor. Green Bay doesn't have it. It starts with the front office and Green Bay brain trust. In order to run the ball you have to commit to assembling your offense around that commitment. It's not as easy as just drafting a talent at RB. It has to start with drafting fatties that play with attitude.

 
Hooper31 said:
steveski said:
I wasn't able to catch any of the games last night. I'm having a hard time trying decipher if everyone here is just in love with Lacy or if there really was something that points to this guy being worth his ADP. I've read all the excuses and they sound pretty bad to me.

Cobb and Nelson are out: Ok, didn't realize those guys played offensive line

Backup QB: See above.

One good run got called back from a hold: Some say it was the hold that opened up the hole. Others may be blinded by love.

It's the Seattle D: True, but I don't want my RB having negative yards on 8 carries even if they are playing against an all star team.

Can someone post something of value and actual insight? Only positive I've seen (which is a big positive) is that he was picking up pass blocks well. Vonta Leach is a great blocker as well, but I'm not drafting him. Don't tell me that he was a beast, etc. because no player that touches the ball 8 times and goes for negative yards is a beast.
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All the above are valid comments. Given the right situation Lacy looks like he could be a star. However, the Packers aren't committed to running the ball. I'll be shocked if they have a RB gain 800 yards this season. They might "try" to run the ball at times, but their heart isn't in it. They know they are going to score points and win games by allowing Rogers to zip the ball all over the field. They aren't a physically dominating offense. They're finesse. To consistently run the ball in the NFL you have to have an offensive line that has the right demeanor. Green Bay doesn't have it. It starts with the front office and Green Bay brain trust. In order to run the ball you have to commit to assembling your offense around that commitment. It's not as easy as just drafting a talent at RB. It has to start with drafting fatties that play with attitude.
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First off...with Cedric freaking Benson GB committed to run the ball.

I have been on McCarthy in the past for not doing it enough...but sometimes it is hard to blame him not running when he has nobody to hand the ball off to.

If you don't think EDS, Lang, and Sitton have or play with attitude...you are clueless. Not saying they are great...but they play with attitude. Jury still out on the rook.

As for last night...again, as others have said. Look at what Seattle was doing. Loading the box...knowing they were not going to get beat by Graham Harrell throwing it to Jeremy Ross and Myles White.. And they have the corners and safeties to deal with Jones...the only real threat at the time.

Yes...the WRs and QB don't play OL. But the OL is not likely to see that stacked of a box again when Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson are all on the field.

 
Bojang0301 said:
People in deep leagues should not sleep on Pryor. Tebow had value when he started strictly due to running ability. I remember when Pryor was being recruited and was imagined as a Lebron James at QB. People will always hate him because he throws a lame duck ball but if he puts it together I could see him as a poor mans Donovan Mcnabb, maybe a better runner than that.
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Was thinking this exact thing - plus it's not like Pryor costs you anything but a roster spot to find out. Is he a long-term answer? Probably not. But for now, I'll take that gamble as my backup/3rd QB. I don't think it'll take long for them to make the move to Pryor… he's just much more effective with the personnel (or lack thereof) that they currently have in place. And who knows? Maybe the throwing improves...

Let's also not forget this team is terrible, and garbage stats count just the same. He could put up reasonable passing numbers solely in comeback mode, not to mention the rushing yardage.

Color me intrigued.

 
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First off...with Cedric freaking Benson GB committed to run the ball.

I have been on McCarthy in the past for not doing it enough...but sometimes it is hard to blame him not running when he has nobody to hand the ball off to.

If you don't think EDS, Lang, and Sitton have or play with attitude...you are clueless. Not saying they are great...but they play with attitude. Jury still out on the rook.

As for last night...again, as others have said. Look at what Seattle was doing. Loading the box...knowing they were not going to get beat by Graham Harrell throwing it to Jeremy Ross and Myles White.. And they have the corners and safeties to deal with Jones...the only real threat at the time.

Yes...the WRs and QB don't play OL. But the OL is not likely to see that stacked of a box again when Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson are all on the field.
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Under McCarthy Green Bay has ranked 24, 21, 17, 14, 24, 27, and 20th in rushing.

Benson gained 248 yards in 5 games with a 3.5 ypc.

 
Bojang0301 said:
I'm sure everyone else's reaction is same as mine: really GB, Dejuan Harris? I agree with another poster, really feels like a matter of time. I think the protection for Rodgers could hold back a rookie but I was under the assumption Lacy was a polished blocker too.
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Harris missed a ton of offseason after having surgery to remove a cyst from his lung...and a knee injury (which he aggrivated last night).

IMO...they were giving him more reps with the 1s to get him more up to speed. They know they have Lacy...they know they want to lean on him.

They want to get Harris going to be able to use him as well.

 
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