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Preseason Game Observations (1 Viewer)

Hooper31 said:
sho nuff said:
First off...with Cedric freaking Benson GB committed to run the ball.

I have been on McCarthy in the past for not doing it enough...but sometimes it is hard to blame him not running when he has nobody to hand the ball off to.

If you don't think EDS, Lang, and Sitton have or play with attitude...you are clueless. Not saying they are great...but they play with attitude. Jury still out on the rook.

As for last night...again, as others have said. Look at what Seattle was doing. Loading the box...knowing they were not going to get beat by Graham Harrell throwing it to Jeremy Ross and Myles White.. And they have the corners and safeties to deal with Jones...the only real threat at the time.

Yes...the WRs and QB don't play OL. But the OL is not likely to see that stacked of a box again when Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson are all on the field.
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Under McCarthy Green Bay has ranked 24, 21, 17, 14, 24, 27, and 20th in rushing.

Benson gained 248 yards in 5 games with a 3.5 ypc.
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In all fairness, Benson only had 9 carries against SF because they fell way behind and had to abandon the run in the second half, and he only had 7 carries in the game he had to leave injured. In other three games, he had 20, 17 and 18 carries, so it did appear as if they were trying to establish the run. If Lacy averages 16 carries a game (Benson's average in the four full games he played), he only needs to average 4.0 YPC to get to over 1,000 rushing yards, and there will be catches and touchdowns to be gotten, too, so there is plenty of value there.

 
I've gone from feeling positive about Miami to feeling the need to steer clear of Tannehill, Miller, Wallace & Hartline.

Preseason, can't tell maybe, but that's where it's landed.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I've gone from feeling positive about Miami to feeling the need to steer clear of Tannehill, Miller, Wallace & Hartline.

Preseason, can't tell maybe, but that's where it's landed.
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Definitely will be interested to see them tonight. I've almost put on the full court press to move Wallace for other WR options...

 
Hooper31 said:
sho nuff said:
First off...with Cedric freaking Benson GB committed to run the ball.

I have been on McCarthy in the past for not doing it enough...but sometimes it is hard to blame him not running when he has nobody to hand the ball off to.

If you don't think EDS, Lang, and Sitton have or play with attitude...you are clueless. Not saying they are great...but they play with attitude. Jury still out on the rook.

As for last night...again, as others have said. Look at what Seattle was doing. Loading the box...knowing they were not going to get beat by Graham Harrell throwing it to Jeremy Ross and Myles White.. And they have the corners and safeties to deal with Jones...the only real threat at the time.

Yes...the WRs and QB don't play OL. But the OL is not likely to see that stacked of a box again when Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson are all on the field.
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Under McCarthy Green Bay has ranked 24, 21, 17, 14, 24, 27, and 20th in rushing.

Benson gained 248 yards in 5 games with a 3.5 ypc.
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And last season with crap at RB...they were something like 16th in the league in rushing attempts.(more than Tampa, Philly, Pitt, St. Louis, NYG...)

Look at the number of carries Benson got once he was in the system right before his injury. Showing his yardage and ypc does not refute my point that they committed to running the ball...realizing they gave him 20, 17, and 18 carries (and he had 4 receptions each of those games as well) in the games prior to the one where he was hurt...shows they will run the ball when they have a back they feel can take the carries.

 
EBF said:
Watched much of the Seahawks/Packers game just now on DVR.

- Russell Wilson was disappointing.

- Green Bay could struggle if Nelson/Cobb are limited. Jones struggles to beat coverage. Finley looked like the only real playmaker on the field.

- Eddie Lacy looked slow and sluggish. Very disappointing.

- On the other hand, Christine Michael looked very explosive. Good power too. Crazy as it seems, I don't think I'd trade him for any other rookie RB in dynasty at this point.

- Seattle TE Luke Willson played early and often. Made some nice blocks too. Definitely looking like a solid player.

- Chris Harper is pretty far down the Seahawks depth chart and at risk of getting cut. He will likely have a big audition next week and he needs to make some plays.
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Great observation. So now we know that James Jones can't beat Richard Sherman 1:1.

... seriously. That's who was on him all night. Who expects JJ to beat Sherman? If these teams played again Sherman wouldn't even be on Jones. Sherman would be covering Nelson.

There's honestly not much to take away from this game, except Wilson is going to have a mediocre year (which I predicted in the Wilson v Kaepnernick sh.tfest thread) and DuJuan Harris got hurt so Lacy is even more in the clear RB role.

Lacy also had the second string offense and Harrell in there against one of the top defenses in the league. I'm not surprised he couldn't do anything. Maybe that was the goal for the coaches, though. Put Lacy in unwinnable situations and see if he can do well. Then they know they have their guy? That's the only reason I can think of why they didn't put Lacy with Rodgers... maybe they already know that's a winning combination.

 
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steveski said:
I wasn't able to catch any of the games last night. I'm having a hard time trying decipher if everyone here is just in love with Lacy or if there really was something that points to this guy being worth his ADP. I've read all the excuses and they sound pretty bad to me.

Cobb and Nelson are out: Ok, didn't realize those guys played offensive line

Backup QB: See above.
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When I see stuff like this I can only think its trolling, you truely don't understand the game or haven't played football from ages 14 up. There's no other explanation for such stupidity.

 
Gawain said:
Raider Nation said:
Would have been nice to see Pryor playing against Chicago's first-string defense, to see whether this enthusiasm is warranted or not, but that ship has sailed. I don't expect Seattle's starting defense will play much, if at all against the Raiders next week.
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Is there any way that Pryor could go into the season as the starter? He could end up with 800 rushing yards on broken pass plays alone.
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Pryor is a terrible QB and I seriously doubt the Oakland coaching staff has the skill set to coach him up. Yes, he can run, but NFL team will smash him into the ground and he'll NEVER find the open receiver. Even If aWR runs right in front of him he'll still manage to miss him by a mile. Oakland just needs to start their QB research for next years draft. I feel bad for the Oakland fans. They deserve better than this.

 
meyerj31 said:
EBF said:
Watched much of the Seahawks/Packers game just now on DVR.

- Russell Wilson was disappointing.

- Green Bay could struggle if Nelson/Cobb are limited. Jones struggles to beat coverage. Finley looked like the only real playmaker on the field.

- Eddie Lacy looked slow and sluggish. Very disappointing.

- On the other hand, Christine Michael looked very explosive. Good power too. Crazy as it seems, I don't think I'd trade him for any other rookie RB in dynasty at this point.

- Seattle TE Luke Willson played early and often. Made some nice blocks too. Definitely looking like a solid player.

- Chris Harper is pretty far down the Seahawks depth chart and at risk of getting cut. He will likely have a big audition next week and he needs to make some plays.
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Great observation. So now we know that James Jones can't beat Richard Sherman 1:1.

... seriously. That's who was on him all night. Who expects JJ to beat Sherman? If these teams played again Sherman wouldn't even be on Jones. Sherman would be covering Nelson.

There's honestly not much to take away from this game, except Wilson is going to have a mediocre year (which I predicted in the Wilson v Kaepnernick sh.tfest thread) and DuJuan Harris got hurt so Lacy is even more in the clear RB role.

Lacy also had the second string offense and Harrell in there against one of the top defenses in the league. I'm not surprised he couldn't do anything. Maybe that was the goal for the coaches, though. Put Lacy in unwinnable situations and see if he can do well. Then they know they have their guy? That's the only reason I can think of why they didn't put Lacy with Rodgers... maybe they already know that's a winning combination.
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And Jones had Sherman beat on the one they called the ticky tack PI on Sherman when their feet tangled and Sherman reached out to Jones.

 
loqutis said:
Gawain said:
Raider Nation said:
Would have been nice to see Pryor playing against Chicago's first-string defense, to see whether this enthusiasm is warranted or not, but that ship has sailed. I don't expect Seattle's starting defense will play much, if at all against the Raiders next week.
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Is there any way that Pryor could go into the season as the starter? He could end up with 800 rushing yards on broken pass plays alone.
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Pryor is a terrible QB and I seriously doubt the Oakland coaching staff has the skill set to coach him up. Yes, he can run, but NFL team will smash him into the ground and he'll NEVER find the open receiver. Even If aWR runs right in front of him he'll still manage to miss him by a mile. Oakland just needs to start their QB research for next years draft. I feel bad for the Oakland fans. They deserve better than this.
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None of that looked to be the case yesterday.

 
gbill2004 said:
steveski said:
I wasn't able to catch any of the games last night. I'm having a hard time trying decipher if everyone here is just in love with Lacy or if there really was something that points to this guy being worth his ADP. I've read all the excuses and they sound pretty bad to me.

Cobb and Nelson are out: Ok, didn't realize those guys played offensive line

Backup QB: See above.

One good run got called back from a hold: Some say it was the hold that opened up the hole. Others may be blinded by love.

It's the Seattle D: True, but I don't want my RB having negative yards on 8 carries even if they are playing against an all star team.

Can someone post something of value and actual insight? Only positive I've seen (which is a big positive) is that he was picking up pass blocks well. Vonta Leach is a great blocker as well, but I'm not drafting him. Don't tell me that he was a beast, etc. because no player that touches the ball 8 times and goes for negative yards is a beast.
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Do you not realize that defenses will change their schemes and load the box when you have a backup QB and below average WRs in the game? That will kill any running lanes for a RB.
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My Anti Pryor argument in a nutshell

 
Not having watched the game...is Flynn that bad, or is it the O-line not giving him enough time. I read somewhere that he had 7 sacks in 34 dropbacks which means the O-line is terrible, he's holding on to the ball too long, or some combination of the two. I'm curious which one it is.

 
I don't care about preseason games at all except for depth charts and injuries. This player looked good and that player looked bad means nothing.

 
Flynn looks like he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat...pure wiffel Ball arm

Rappin Forte looks like he's ready to go off this year even with Fat-So Bush vulturing some GL looks

 
Hooper31 said:
sho nuff said:
First off...with Cedric freaking Benson GB committed to run the ball.

I have been on McCarthy in the past for not doing it enough...but sometimes it is hard to blame him not running when he has nobody to hand the ball off to.

If you don't think EDS, Lang, and Sitton have or play with attitude...you are clueless. Not saying they are great...but they play with attitude. Jury still out on the rook.

As for last night...again, as others have said. Look at what Seattle was doing. Loading the box...knowing they were not going to get beat by Graham Harrell throwing it to Jeremy Ross and Myles White.. And they have the corners and safeties to deal with Jones...the only real threat at the time.

Yes...the WRs and QB don't play OL. But the OL is not likely to see that stacked of a box again when Rodgers, Cobb, Nelson are all on the field.
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Under McCarthy Green Bay has ranked 24, 21, 17, 14, 24, 27, and 20th in rushing.

Benson gained 248 yards in 5 games with a 3.5 ypc.
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Dating back to 2006..

21, 28, 14, 15, 20, 26, 16

That's rushing attempts per game, which I feel is a better indicator as to how much GB actually wanted to run the ball in the past. In 08/9 when they leaned on Grant, they finished in the upper half of attempts per game. Last year, when they had Benson, they planned on doing the same and even finished out the year 16th in attempts per game on the backs of the underwhelming pair of Green/Starks. Lacy, IMO, has the potential to be better than any of the aforementioned names. I'm not buying the argument that RBs won't get the opportunity/can't be productive in this offense.

 
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biju said:
Not having watched the game...is Flynn that bad, or is it the O-line not giving him enough time. I read somewhere that he had 7 sacks in 34 dropbacks which means the O-line is terrible, he's holding on to the ball too long, or some combination of the two. I'm curious which one it is.
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Add a third reason: sub-par receivers who can't get open.

 
Re:lacy Annie someone asking if it was bad, not bad,etc. he also got 6 years taken from his totals because of the Harrell ball he fell on. Overall, when Rodgers went out, it was him against the Seattle first stringers. Really not a good ways to measure how he looked other than watching his effort on carries and that looked really good

 
I am looking forward to the Buffalo Washington game exclusively for Tuel time. Maybe I will tune in the second quarter to aviod most of Grossman vs Kolb battle of ineptitude.

 
EBF said:
Watched much of the Seahawks/Packers game just now on DVR.

- Russell Wilson was disappointing.
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I don't think Wilson was particularly disappointing.

1st drive: Wilson was 5/5 for 67 yards with 1 run for 13 yards. The drive stalled when he was sacked, but IIRC that was when Turbin completely whiffed on the pass block and Wilson didn't have much of a chance to escape.

2nd drive: Wilson was sacked on the first play but the offense recovered to get a couple first downs, mostly running, but Wilson was 2/2 for 27 yards. His pass to Luke Wilson on 3rd and 5 came up a yard short, ending the drive.

3rd drive: Wilson was 1/3 for 3 yards and the Seahawks did not gain a first down. However, on 3rd and 17, he threw a beautiful pass to Tate that should have been caught for a first down.

4th drive: Wilson was 1/2 for 4 yards with an interception, but it was a tipped pass.

5th drive: Wilson was 1/3 for 9 yards with an interception. This one was a bad decision and also a poor pass.

6th drive: Wilson was 1/2 for 16 yards and got sacked a couple more times before Michael ran for the TD.

Overall, he was accurate (11/17, with another throw to Tate that should have been caught IMO) and made a few very nice throws. He moved around the pocket well and made one nice run for a first down. He really only made one bad decision that I recall, on the second interception.

The thing that stood out more to me was that Seattle's pass protection needs improvement. Wilson was officially sacked 3 times, but he was also sacked another time when offensive holding was called. And I think there was at least one other offensive holding call.

 
Sabertooth said:
Russell Wilson looked indecisive and inaccurate. He should have had 3 picks.
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He was 11/17 with one of the incompletions right on the money to Tate. One of the interceptions was tipped. How can you say he was inaccurate?

Aside from the second interception, how many bad throws did he have?

Also, please elaborate on why you say he looked indecisive. I didn't see that.

Edit: not saying you are wrong; I had the game on but was not watching closely, so perhaps I missed some bad decisions/throws.

 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
loqutis said:
Gawain said:
Raider Nation said:
Would have been nice to see Pryor playing against Chicago's first-string defense, to see whether this enthusiasm is warranted or not, but that ship has sailed. I don't expect Seattle's starting defense will play much, if at all against the Raiders next week.
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Is there any way that Pryor could go into the season as the starter? He could end up with 800 rushing yards on broken pass plays alone.
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Pryor is a terrible QB and I seriously doubt the Oakland coaching staff has the skill set to coach him up. Yes, he can run, but NFL team will smash him into the ground and he'll NEVER find the open receiver. Even If aWR runs right in front of him he'll still manage to miss him by a mile. Oakland just needs to start their QB research for next years draft. I feel bad for the Oakland fans. They deserve better than this.
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None of that looked to be the case yesterday.
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you want to talk about a terrible QB, it's Matt Flynn.
 
Shutout said:
Re:lacy Annie someone asking if it was bad, not bad,etc. he also got 6 years taken from his totals because of the Harrell ball he fell on. Overall, when Rodgers went out, it was him against the Seattle first stringers. Really not a good ways to measure how he looked other than watching his effort on carries and that looked really good
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Pretty much. Lacy has the look of s back who gets 15-20 touches a game. He runs well.

His stat line last night was working with the backup offense vs the best defense in the NFLs starters. GB already has questions on the O-Line, how do you think the backups did? Harrell is bad, and their best receiver on the field during his carries was Boykin.....the guy who may be 4th on the depth charts.

Meanwhile Michael looked awesome last night Vs the second team defense with their entire starting offense on the field. Lets make him a 5th round pick now because of a preseason game he dominated in....

 
Amazing how so many teams missed Alf. That guy is just such a great RB, he squeezes every yard out of every play. That little subtle partial spin move on the corner was smooth.

 
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