Preseason Game Observations (2 Viewers)

[JustinHawkins]

Forte looks so different than any time I can remember. I would not be shocked if he had his career season this year.

 

[zamboni]

Forte playing like an ogre this preseason

is playing like an ogre a good thing or bad?

If it's a fraternity belching contest, not so good.

 

[DoubleG]

Forte looks so different than any time I can remember. I would not be shocked if he had his career season this year.

That, plus the Bears running a true "West Coast" style offense that is suited to him perfectly...with Marshall and Alshon on the edges and Bennet inside to keep defenses honest. Yep.

 

[JuniorNB]

From games I saw live (or in highlights) in the 'dress rehearsel' that is week three, the following guys opened my eyes:

Andre Johnson- Looks like his second half burst last season wasn't just a one-last-gasp effort before fading away from old age. Hands are still awesome and still was able to get separation. I'm thinking another year of #5-10 WR production.

Ryan Matthews- I said never again. No way. Fool me twice.... Well, Matthews is looking good. Running hard, showing burst, and staying healthy. Certainly not back in the top ten, but a viable RB2 again.

Matt Forte- He looks soooo good this year. Quick, fast, and sturdy. To me, he's always been merely a PPR stud. Now I believe he's a top 8 back in any format.

Kenbrell Thompkins- Been hearing the buzz, but finally got a look at this kid's burst off the line and sure hands. It's too early to tell, but his situation is reminding me of the year there was preseason buzz about Victor Cruz.

 

[I Love Your Fantasy Team]

Minus the fumble, Mathews has looked pretty damn good this preseason.

 

[cstu]

What's NO's WR rotation like? Who started? I see that Toon has already gotten some action.

Toon started the game.

In place of Colston.

Should we start paying serious attention here to either Toon or Stills? They have both flashed a lot of potential. Or does this all become just another preseason memory when Colston starts playing?

I would pay attention to both in dynasty. Toon is being groomed for Colston's role, Stills for Moore's role. The injury to Joe Morgan and departure of Devery Henderson opened the door for one to get a lot of playing time this season as the 3rd WR and it looks like that will be Stills. Couple of great catches today. Kid looks really polished for a 21 year old.

Stills is flashing. I'm surprised there isn't more buzz honestly. He straight up dusted Jonathon Joseph and had about 5 yards separation for the TD.

I think Lance Moore was so late to emerge in his career people think he is young. He will be 30 August 31st and is owed zero dead money after this year.

He's flashing the way Henderson/Meachem/Morgan flashed.

 

[meyerj31]

Stills is flashing. I'm surprised there isn't more buzz honestly. He straight up dusted Jonathon Joseph and had about 5 yards separation for the TD.

I think Lance Moore was so late to emerge in his career people think he is young. He will be 30 August 31st and is owed zero dead money after this year.

He's flashing the way Henderson/Meachem/Morgan flashed.

Easy to flash when defenses aren't scheming in the pre-season and you have Brees throwing you the ball. He's a good flier, but let's be realistic... he's just a flier. I would be shocked if he produces more than Lance this season.

 

[Concept Coop]

Was Jernigan the first slot option in the game, for the NYG? Did he play with Eli? Thanks.

ETA: Nevermind. I looked it up.

I did see a lot of targets that he didn't catch. Any thougths on those? Drops?

 

[Gamma1210]

Was Jernigan the first slot option in the game, for the NYG? Did he play with Eli? Thanks.

Was at the game. He was in early with Eli. I think he had a target but there was miscommunication. He looked much better against the 2nd stringers.

 

[Concept Coop]

Was Jernigan the first slot option in the game, for the NYG? Did he play with Eli? Thanks.

Was at the game. He was in early with Eli. I think he had a target but there was miscommunication. He looked much better against the 2nd stringers.

Thanks. He's a guy I liked at Troy. Was hoping he'd have a chance to earn a top 4 WR spot, and be the main backup to Cruz in the slot.

 

[FDC]

Stills is flashing. I'm surprised there isn't more buzz honestly. He straight up dusted Jonathon Joseph and had about 5 yards separation for the TD.

I think Lance Moore was so late to emerge in his career people think he is young. He will be 30 August 31st and is owed zero dead money after this year.

He's flashing the way Henderson/Meachem/Morgan flashed.

Easy to flash when defenses aren't scheming in the pre-season and you have Brees throwing you the ball. He's a good flier, but let's be realistic... he's just a flier. I would be shocked if he produces more than Lance this season.

McCown was in with the 1st team for Stills 40 yard catch and 14 yard TD against probowler Johnathon Joseph

I was referring mostly for dynasty purposes. Then again, I can almost guarantee he will pop up on the redraft radar considering the randomness of Saints offense and Moore + Colston's tendency to get nicked up. I was never a Meachem, Henderson, Morgan fan largely because of the randomness and multiple weapons. I just think Stills has the skillset to be a more consistent part of the offense.

 

[msommer]

Stills is flashing. I'm surprised there isn't more buzz honestly. He straight up dusted Jonathon Joseph and had about 5 yards separation for the TD.

I think Lance Moore was so late to emerge in his career people think he is young. He will be 30 August 31st and is owed zero dead money after this year.

He's flashing the way Henderson/Meachem/Morgan flashed.

Easy to flash when defenses aren't scheming in the pre-season and you have Brees throwing you the ball. He's a good flier, but let's be realistic... he's just a flier. I would be shocked if he produces more than Lance this season.

McCown was in with the 1st team for Stills 40 yard catch and 14 yard TD against probowler Johnathon Joseph

I was referring mostly for dynasty purposes. Then again, I can almost guarantee he will pop up on the redraft radar considering the randomness of Saints offense and Moore + Colston's tendency to get nicked up. I was never a Meachem, Henderson, Morgan fan largely because of the randomness and multiple weapons. I just think Stills has the skillset to be a more consistent part of the offense.

So you're saying Stills rather than Toon?

 

[FDC]

I think it is safe to say Stills is currently in line to get the most snaps week 1. Toon fills Colston's role and Colston will be playing week 1.

Both will likely have some big plays this season that will be hard to predict.

 

[FDC]

Here is Stills 40 yard catch. Notice Brees on the sidelines getting in his face.

http://www.nfl.com/videos

 

[msudaisy26]

I think the Jets have the worst starter in the league, assuming it is Sanchez. Who is next, Ponder, Flynn or Gabbert? I think it is Ponder because he actually has weapons around him, Flynn doesn't

You really think Sanchez is worse than Ponder? Ponder has AP, a very good TE, he had Harvin last year, Jennings now, Sanchez has ummm Cumberpatch and Santonio "I don't want to play here" Holmes and Stephen Hill who actually has hands made of stone. I am not saying I agree or disagree, just saying there is room for debate on that.

1) some ppl here think Geno has earned the starter job2) Cumberpatch is being taken in the 16th round of fantasy drafts

Points well taken, but do you think Ponder is better than Sanchez?

I prefer Sanchez and its not that close.

That is how I was leaning also, that is a rough situation to be in. His best chance may be to get out of NY and start over.

I wouldn't argue if you said any one of those top four were the worst, I think it is Sanchez, then Ponder.

 

[Run It Up]

Funny story, 480 pick 12-team dynasty start up on friday. Mark Sanchez was the last pick in the draft, like QB40 off the board, the guy just cut him. Aaron Hernandez was #479 overall. 3 Raiders QBs went ahead of Sanchez.

 

[saintfool]

Here is Stills 40 yard catch. Notice Brees on the sidelines getting in his face.

http://www.nfl.com/videos

well, he shouldn't have given up inside position.

 

[az_prof]

Stills is flashing. I'm surprised there isn't more buzz honestly. He straight up dusted Jonathon Joseph and had about 5 yards separation for the TD.

I think Lance Moore was so late to emerge in his career people think he is young. He will be 30 August 31st and is owed zero dead money after this year.

He's flashing the way Henderson/Meachem/Morgan flashed.

Easy to flash when defenses aren't scheming in the pre-season and you have Brees throwing you the ball. He's a good flier, but let's be realistic... he's just a flier. I would be shocked if he produces more than Lance this season.

I tend to agree with this. We always get excited about the new guy, and dynasty feeds that flame. Stills is a good upside player to own in Dynasty and a guy to watch in regular fantasy, but unless Moore is injured, he will be the second leading WR this season. Brees loves Moore.

 

[FDC]

Stills is flashing. I'm surprised there isn't more buzz honestly. He straight up dusted Jonathon Joseph and had about 5 yards separation for the TD.

I think Lance Moore was so late to emerge in his career people think he is young. He will be 30 August 31st and is owed zero dead money after this year.

He's flashing the way Henderson/Meachem/Morgan flashed.

Easy to flash when defenses aren't scheming in the pre-season and you have Brees throwing you the ball. He's a good flier, but let's be realistic... he's just a flier. I would be shocked if he produces more than Lance this season.

I tend to agree with this. We always get excited about the new guy, and dynasty feeds that flame. Stills is a good upside player to own in Dynasty and a guy to watch in regular fantasy, but unless Moore is injured, he will be the second leading WR this season. Brees loves Moore.

an injury way, guy to watch, etc, still are deserving of some buzz in the right situation.

ie: Cruz 2011, Miles Austin 2009

 

[Leonidas]

Phil Dawson is going to be a fantasy YETI this year

what the hell does this mean?

We are trying to get away from using the term "beast".

It's been used too much over the past 3-5 years? I was just trying to be accommodating to the poster that requested it, but I do not disagree we over use that word.

You completely missed the point.

He was requesting more information. Some kind of quantitative statement or analysis. Some kind of REASON why a player looked good, not just "omg player Y is beast".

Edit: AP's work ethic is beyond any player in the NFL! You can say whatever you want about my IQ, and that's fine, but just passing on what I have seen for about 7 years!

No it's not. Almost all of the guys in the NFL work hard. The very good ons especially.

Have you looked at the linemen on every team? They aren't "working" at all, let along working hard. Except, of course, for their knives and forks. Many of them are obese, and nearly all are fat. Not sure what "workouts" they can do, and still maintain those jiggling rolls of fat. Maybe they bench press pork chops or something.

I hear they are now forcing them to cut their own pork chops and even feed themselves. Those workouts will payoff in the long run, that weight will come off eventually. cut, cut cut, lift and chew, 17 times mister or your butt will be eating a 4th helping!

I'll bet they could run circles around your pathetic self.

Just a guess.

Minus the fumble, Mathews has looked pretty damn good this preseason.

It's a good thing there's no such thing as being injury prone, so what we have is a top 10 RB talent who is the lead back. Definite value there.

 

[kneeshooter]

Is pierre thomas going to have value?

A couple months ago everyone had him above Ingram, then it switched. Now I'm looking at today's box score and thomas has a lot of points.

He broke a single dump-off for 50+ yards and a TD late in the second half, and I don't think you're going to be able to count on that. Looked like a play that broke down and he was in the right place at the right time. Defender missed the tackle, he got a good block, and then he was free. He looked good doing it, but probably not how they envisioned that play working on paper. I'd still take Ingram.

Sorry, but the video shows pretty much the opposite of what you described: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000234132/Thomas-turns-short-pass-into-51-yard-touchdown

1) Early 2nd qtr, not late 2nd half

2) Not a broken play, looks like Brees was locked into him from the get go. He was in the right place, though

3) Nobody blocked for him, and no defender "missed". Solid stiff arm took care of one defender, and the second was juked out of his boots.

Not sure what you were watching, but PT looked darn good on this play. I've been targeting him late in drafts, as he has been going ~4 rounds later than Ingram in the RD12 and up range. Saints will score a lot of points, and I think PT will get a ton of touches.

 

[Leonidas]

Is pierre thomas going to have value?

A couple months ago everyone had him above Ingram, then it switched. Now I'm looking at today's box score and thomas has a lot of points.

He broke a single dump-off for 50+ yards and a TD late in the second half, and I don't think you're going to be able to count on that. Looked like a play that broke down and he was in the right place at the right time. Defender missed the tackle, he got a good block, and then he was free. He looked good doing it, but probably not how they envisioned that play working on paper. I'd still take Ingram.

Sorry, but the video shows pretty much the opposite of what you described: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000234132/Thomas-turns-short-pass-into-51-yard-touchdown

1) Early 2nd qtr, not late 2nd half

2) Not a broken play, looks like Brees was locked into him from the get go. He was in the right place, though

3) Nobody blocked for him, and no defender "missed". Solid stiff arm took care of one defender, and the second was juked out of his boots.

Not sure what you were watching, but PT looked darn good on this play. I've been targeting him late in drafts, as he has been going ~4 rounds later than Ingram in the RD12 and up range. Saints will score a lot of points, and I think PT will get a ton of touches.

Excellent.

Thanks for posting that. (I didn't watch the game or see the replay or have any idea otherwise)

 

[Raider Nation]

Rex Ryan live presser starting in a minute on NFLN. Should be comedy gold again.

 

[saintfool]

Is pierre thomas going to have value?

A couple months ago everyone had him above Ingram, then it switched. Now I'm looking at today's box score and thomas has a lot of points.

He broke a single dump-off for 50+ yards and a TD late in the second half, and I don't think you're going to be able to count on that. Looked like a play that broke down and he was in the right place at the right time. Defender missed the tackle, he got a good block, and then he was free. He looked good doing it, but probably not how they envisioned that play working on paper. I'd still take Ingram.

Sorry, but the video shows pretty much the opposite of what you described: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000234132/Thomas-turns-short-pass-into-51-yard-touchdown

1) Early 2nd qtr, not late 2nd half

2) Not a broken play, looks like Brees was locked into him from the get go. He was in the right place, though

3) Nobody blocked for him, and no defender "missed". Solid stiff arm took care of one defender, and the second was juked out of his boots.

Not sure what you were watching, but PT looked darn good on this play. I've been targeting him late in drafts, as he has been going ~4 rounds later than Ingram in the RD12 and up range. Saints will score a lot of points, and I think PT will get a ton of touches.

Pierre is Pierre. His problem is the number of touches. He's always going to have value, especially in PPR, but in all likelhood he's nothing more than a handcuff or bye week filler on most FF teams. I say all of this as a huge PT fan and former owner.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I thought you guys might be interested in this, rankings through the first 3 weeks of the preseason.

I'm happy my Saints are in at no. 11 in total defense.

Philly in at No. 2 in total offense I notice, which is interesting. I believe the Eagles being there is something, I know the Jets being there at no. 4 is nothing.

NFL / TOTAL OFFENSE

Rank Team Total Rushing Passing Total Rushing Passing

1) Houston 1350 386 964 450.0 128.7 321.3

2) Philadelphia 1305 469 836 435.0 156.3 278.7

3) New Orleans 1176 280 896 392.0 93.3 298.7

4) New York Jets 1157 252 905 385.7 84.0 301.7

5) New England 1154 455 699 384.7 151.7 233.0

6) Washington 1121 517 604 373.7 172.3 201.3

7) Cincinnati 1098 512 586 366.0 170.7 195.3

8) Seattle 1062 424 638 354.0 141.3 212.7

9) Tennessee 1042 440 602 347.3 146.7 200.7

10) Atlanta 998 368 630 332.7 122.7 210.0

11) Detroit 994 256 738 331.3 85.3 246.0

12) Arizona 993 317 676 331.0 105.7 225.3

13) Buffalo 986 401 585 328.7 133.7 195.0

14) Denver 949 326 623 316.3 108.7 207.7

15) Dallas 1255 438 817 313.8 109.5 204.3

16) Baltimore 938 358 580 312.7 119.3 193.3

17) San Diego 931 342 589 310.3 114.0 196.3

18t) Jacksonville 921 426 495 307.0 142.0 165.0

18t) St. Louis 921 194 727 307.0 64.7 242.3

20) San Francisco 915 346 569 305.0 115.3 189.7

21) Miami 1208 369 839 302.0 92.3 209.8

22) Cleveland 903 226 677 301.0 75.3 225.7

23) Indianapolis 896 309 587 298.7 103.0 195.7

24) Pittsburgh 867 286 581 289.0 95.3 193.7

25) Oakland 847 306 541 282.3 102.0 180.3

26) New York Giants 844 318 526 281.3 106.0 175.3

27) Chicago 829 377 452 276.3 125.7 150.7

28) Kansas City 789 247 542 263.0 82.3 180.7

29) Green Bay 781 240 541 260.3 80.0 180.3

30) Minnesota 766 242 524 255.3 80.7 174.7

31) Tampa Bay 751 328 423 250.3 109.3 141.0

32) Carolina 743 241 502 247.7 80.3 167.3

NFL / TOTAL DEFENSE

Rank Team Total Rushing Passing Total Rushing Passing

1) San Francisco 604 275 329 201.3 91.7 109.7

2) Seattle 722 225 497 240.7 75.0 165.7

3) Washington 724 313 411 241.3 104.3 137.0

4) San Diego 797 392 405 265.7 130.7 135.0

5) Denver 847 240 607 282.3 80.0 202.3

6) Miami 1130 498 632 282.5 124.5 158.0

7) Baltimore 868 325 543 289.3 108.3 181.0

8) Arizona 875 260 615 291.7 86.7 205.0

9) New York Giants 882 221 661 294.0 73.7 220.3

10) Houston 884 210 674 294.7 70.0 224.7

11) New Orleans 896 262 634

12) New York Jets 930 318 612 310.0 106.0 204.0

13) Indianapolis 968 290 678 322.7 96.7 226.0

14) Detroit 972 186 786 324.0 62.0 262.0

15) Cleveland 977 292 685 325.7 97.3 228.3

16) Pittsburgh 989 346 643 329.7 115.3 214.3

17) Buffalo 996 385 611 332.0 128.3 203.7

18) Dallas 1346 421 925 336.5 105.3 231.3

19) Chicago 1012 361 651 337.3 120.3 217.0

20) Oakland 1013 317 696 337.7 105.7 232.0

21) Tampa Bay 1026 338 688 342.0 112.7 229.3

22) Cincinnati 1036 389 647 345.3 129.7 215.7

23t) Atlanta 1044 462 582 348.0 154.0 194.0

23t) Green Bay 1044 310 734 348.0 103.3 244.7

25) Kansas City 1047 376 671 349.0 125.3 223.7

26) Carolina 1049 405 644 349.7 135.0 214.7

27) Philadelphia 1066 524 542 355.3 174.7 180.7

28) Tennessee 1096 462 634 365.3 154.0 211.3

29) St. Louis 1123 295 828 374.3 98.3 276.0

30) Jacksonville 1127 454 673 375.7 151.3 224.3

31) Minnesota 1175 431 744 391.7 143.7 248.0

32) New England 1225 413 812 408.3 137.7 270.7

 

[The Claymaker]

I hear they are now forcing them to cut their own pork chops and even feed themselves. Those workouts will payoff in the long run, that weight will come off eventually. cut, cut cut, lift and chew, 17 times mister or your butt will be eating a 4th helping!

I'll bet they could run circles around your pathetic self.

Just a guess.

I would bet your 100% correct if this is actually directed at me. But you also apparently missed my sarcasm and attempt to egg on the guy crying racists and fatty. So, I would ask that you don't think too poorly of my old fat slow self, I can't take my internet ego getting crushed like this.

 

[Buffaloes]

I'll bet they could run circles around your pathetic self.

Just a guess.

guess again, guy

 

[Grahamburn]

Is pierre thomas going to have value?

A couple months ago everyone had him above Ingram, then it switched. Now I'm looking at today's box score and thomas has a lot of points.

He broke a single dump-off for 50+ yards and a TD late in the second half, and I don't think you're going to be able to count on that. Looked like a play that broke down and he was in the right place at the right time. Defender missed the tackle, he got a good block, and then he was free. He looked good doing it, but probably not how they envisioned that play working on paper. I'd still take Ingram.

Sorry, but the video shows pretty much the opposite of what you described: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000234132/Thomas-turns-short-pass-into-51-yard-touchdown

1) Early 2nd qtr, not late 2nd half

2) Not a broken play, looks like Brees was locked into him from the get go. He was in the right place, though

3) Nobody blocked for him, and no defender "missed". Solid stiff arm took care of one defender, and the second was juked out of his boots.

Not sure what you were watching, but PT looked darn good on this play. I've been targeting him late in drafts, as he has been going ~4 rounds later than Ingram in the RD12 and up range. Saints will score a lot of points, and I think PT will get a ton of touches.

Pierre is Pierre. His problem is the number of touches. He's always going to have value, especially in PPR, but in all likelhood he's nothing more than a handcuff or bye week filler on most FF teams. I say all of this as a huge PT fan and former owner.

He's a fantastic player. Anything negative is likely coming from an Ingram dynasty owner or someone who acquired Ingram in a recent draft hoping this season is the "breakout." It isn't coming unless Thomas and Sproles miss significant time...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Is pierre thomas going to have value?

A couple months ago everyone had him above Ingram, then it switched. Now I'm looking at today's box score and thomas has a lot of points.

He broke a single dump-off for 50+ yards and a TD late in the second half, and I don't think you're going to be able to count on that. Looked like a play that broke down and he was in the right place at the right time. Defender missed the tackle, he got a good block, and then he was free. He looked good doing it, but probably not how they envisioned that play working on paper. I'd still take Ingram.

Sorry, but the video shows pretty much the opposite of what you described: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000234132/Thomas-turns-short-pass-into-51-yard-touchdown

1) Early 2nd qtr, not late 2nd half

2) Not a broken play, looks like Brees was locked into him from the get go. He was in the right place, though

3) Nobody blocked for him, and no defender "missed". Solid stiff arm took care of one defender, and the second was juked out of his boots.

Not sure what you were watching, but PT looked darn good on this play. I've been targeting him late in drafts, as he has been going ~4 rounds later than Ingram in the RD12 and up range. Saints will score a lot of points, and I think PT will get a ton of touches.

Pierre is Pierre. His problem is the number of touches. He's always going to have value, especially in PPR, but in all likelhood he's nothing more than a handcuff or bye week filler on most FF teams. I say all of this as a huge PT fan and former owner.

He's a fantastic player. Anything negative is likely coming from an Ingram dynasty owner or someone who acquired Ingram in a recent draft hoping this season is the "breakout." It isn't coming unless Thomas and Sproles miss significant time...

Ingram had a couple very nice plays against the Texans - one was a nice screen and run (something he has never really done much of before effectively) and the other was a bursting run up the middle for a long gain, also something he has not done much of. The complaint on teh run though was that he missed the cut whereby he could have maybe taken it the distance.

The screen was nice, that must have been like 25 yards, and then on teh next play or so Pierre took another screen all the way. Quite a combo.

 

[strong]

Hey mods, can you help get this thread back on track? It has some good info on preseason observations, but it has been highjacked by silly disagreements and an Internet argument about whether or not people think white RBs are slow. It's pretty annoying to have to sift through so much poo.

Thanks.

 

[eoMMan]

I agree. We should be discussing tonight's preseason game. A LOT of players looked good in these games.

 

[timschochet]

I agree. We should be discussing tonight's preseason game. A LOT of players looked good in these games.

Like who, please? I haven't had a chance to watch.

 

[mr roboto]

I agree. We should be discussing tonight's preseason game. A LOT of players looked good in these games.

Like who, please? I haven't had a chance to watch.

 

[Juzaba]

Is pierre thomas going to have value?

A couple months ago everyone had him above Ingram, then it switched. Now I'm looking at today's box score and thomas has a lot of points.

He broke a single dump-off for 50+ yards and a TD late in the second half, and I don't think you're going to be able to count on that. Looked like a play that broke down and he was in the right place at the right time. Defender missed the tackle, he got a good block, and then he was free. He looked good doing it, but probably not how they envisioned that play working on paper. I'd still take Ingram.

Sorry, but the video shows pretty much the opposite of what you described: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000234132/Thomas-turns-short-pass-into-51-yard-touchdown

1) Early 2nd qtr, not late 2nd half

2) Not a broken play, looks like Brees was locked into him from the get go. He was in the right place, though

3) Nobody blocked for him, and no defender "missed". Solid stiff arm took care of one defender, and the second was juked out of his boots.

Not sure what you were watching, but PT looked darn good on this play. I've been targeting him late in drafts, as he has been going ~4 rounds later than Ingram in the RD12 and up range. Saints will score a lot of points, and I think PT will get a ton of touches.

Thanks for posting the video. Yeah, my memory is not much like what actually happened. I'd still say the defender missed that tackle though. Should have been an easy wrap-around, instead I don't know what was going on. I still stand by that this was fluky and that Thomas, while talented, is not fantasy-viable outside of very deep leagues or injuries.

 

[Donnybrook]

I thought you guys might be interested in this, rankings through the first 3 weeks of the preseason.

I'm happy my Saints are in at no. 11 in total defense.

Philly in at No. 2 in total offense I notice, which is interesting. I believe the Eagles being there is something, I know the Jets being there at no. 4 is nothing.

....

and the 2008 Detriot Lions were 8th in preseason defense.

I am sorry to have to tell you that preseason team stats are totally useless.

 

[Ilov80s]

I agree. We should be discussing tonight's preseason game. A LOT of players looked good in these games.

Like who, please? I haven't had a chance to watch.

Miguel Cabrera is an ogre.

 

[Hoss Style]

I thought you guys might be interested in this, rankings through the first 3 weeks of the preseason.

I'm happy my Saints are in at no. 11 in total defense.

Philly in at No. 2 in total offense I notice, which is interesting. I believe the Eagles being there is something, I know the Jets being there at no. 4 is nothing.

....

and the 2008 Detriot Lions were 8th in preseason defense.

I am sorry to have to tell you that preseason team stats are totally useless.

Take off the grumpy pants. Let the guy have some hope!

Preseason stats aren't 0% relevant, anyway. Sometimes it is a prediction of how the team will trend during the season. With all that NO has been through lately, let the guy dream!

 

[Raider Nation]

Any interesting storylines/position battles to keep an eye on this week? Pryor, obviously. What else?

Preseason W4 is typically a snoozer.

 

[rizzler]

Lacy looked phenomenal last game.

Wow.

 

[Ilov80s]

Any interesting storylines/position battles to keep an eye on this week? Pryor, obviously. What else?

Preseason W4 is typically a snoozer.

It seems like the Denver,Arizona and Pitt backfield situations are still up in the air.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Any interesting storylines/position battles to keep an eye on this week? Pryor, obviously. What else?

Preseason W4 is typically a snoozer.

Who will lead the sinking ship that is the Jets football organization?

 

[DoubleG]

Any interesting storylines/position battles to keep an eye on this week? Pryor, obviously. What else?

Preseason W4 is typically a snoozer.

It seems like the Denver,Arizona and Pitt backfield situations are still up in the air.

Well...sort of. Bell is now running with the 1s at Broncos practice after Hillman fumbled...again. Zona is only up in the air if you don't beleive the team in their statements about Mendenhall (who is the clear starter) being ready for week 1 after a knee scare. And Pitt is just s big pile of steaming...well, let's just say I still think the best bet for viable FF RB production in a Steeler uniform is L. Bell after the bye week.

 

[DoubleG]

Any interesting storylines/position battles to keep an eye on this week? Pryor, obviously. What else?

Preseason W4 is typically a snoozer.

Who will lead the sinking ship that is the Jets football organization?

"organization" is misused. There is nothing organized about what's happening there. I am beginning to think Rex has pictures of...something (besides the ones of feet) - most coaches would have been long gone.

 

[Ilov80s]

Any interesting storylines/position battles to keep an eye on this week? Pryor, obviously. What else?

Preseason W4 is typically a snoozer.

It seems like the Denver,Arizona and Pitt backfield situations are still up in the air.

Well...sort of. Bell is now running with the 1s at Broncos practice after Hillman fumbled...again. Zona is only up in the air if you don't beleive the team in their statements about Mendenhall (who is the clear starter) being ready for week 1 after a knee scare. And Pitt is just s big pile of steaming...well, let's just say I still think the best bet for viable FF RB production in a Steeler uniform is L. Bell after the bye week.

True on all accounts, just trying to find something, it seems like those are the highest profile spots that still have some level of uncertainty.

 

[DoubleG]

Any interesting storylines/position battles to keep an eye on this week? Pryor, obviously. What else?

Preseason W4 is typically a snoozer.

It seems like the Denver,Arizona and Pitt backfield situations are still up in the air.

Well...sort of. Bell is now running with the 1s at Broncos practice after Hillman fumbled...again. Zona is only up in the air if you don't beleive the team in their statements about Mendenhall (who is the clear starter) being ready for week 1 after a knee scare. And Pitt is just s big pile of steaming...well, let's just say I still think the best bet for viable FF RB production in a Steeler uniform is L. Bell after the bye week.

True on all accounts, just trying to find something, it seems like those are the highest profile spots that still have some level of uncertainty.

No - you're right - all of those are the closest things to being actual stories. The Bell thing just came up today, and the Mendenhall updates have been fuzzy at best, and I guess SOMEONE has to run the ball for Pitt until Bell comes back. I actually think the WR situation is Pittsburgh is interesting as well - does Wheaton emerge as a decent WR3 with WR2 upside...mybe more...by year's end?

 

[The Kerminator]

Any interesting storylines/position battles to keep an eye on this week? Pryor, obviously. What else?

Preseason W4 is typically a snoozer.

It seems like the Denver,Arizona and Pitt backfield situations are still up in the air.

Well...sort of. Bell is now running with the 1s at Broncos practice after Hillman fumbled...again. Zona is only up in the air if you don't beleive the team in their statements about Mendenhall (who is the clear starter) being ready for week 1 after a knee scare. And Pitt is just s big pile of steaming...well, let's just say I still think the best bet for viable FF RB production in a Steeler uniform is L. Bell after the bye week.

True on all accounts, just trying to find something, it seems like those are the highest profile spots that still have some level of uncertainty.

No - you're right - all of those are the closest things to being actual stories. The Bell thing just came up today, and the Mendenhall updates have been fuzzy at best, and I guess SOMEONE has to run the ball for Pitt until Bell comes back. I actually think the WR situation is Pittsburgh is interesting as well - does Wheaton emerge as a decent WR3 with WR2 upside...mybe more...by year's end?

Do you mean Ball for Denver?

 

[skinsrule05]

Ryan Matthews- I said never again. No way. Fool me twice.... Well, Matthews is looking good. Running hard, showing burst, and staying healthy. Certainly not back in the top ten, but a viable RB2 again.

This is great. You know a player is a huge risk when it is considered an accomplishment that he has stayed healthy through the third week of preseason games.

 

[Leonidas]

Ryan Matthews- I said never again. No way. Fool me twice.... Well, Matthews is looking good. Running hard, showing burst, and staying healthy. Certainly not back in the top ten, but a viable RB2 again.

This is great. You know a player is a huge risk when it is considered an accomplishment that he has stayed healthy through the third week of preseason games.

Shark Pool says there is no such thing as being injury prone, so draft him with confidence. He's no more likely to get injured than Chris Johnson is.

If you go with the wisdom of the crowd based on what they say, that is.

If you go with the wisdom of the crowd based on what they do, then you shouldn't draft Mathews any higher than RB3 in the 4-5th round.

 

[Hoss Style]

Ryan Matthews- I said never again. No way. Fool me twice.... Well, Matthews is looking good. Running hard, showing burst, and staying healthy. Certainly not back in the top ten, but a viable RB2 again.

This is great. You know a player is a huge risk when it is considered an accomplishment that he has stayed healthy through the third week of preseason games.

Shark Pool says there is no such thing as being injury prone, so draft him with confidence. He's no more likely to get injured than Chris Johnson is.

If you go with the wisdom of the crowd based on what they say, that is.

If you go with the wisdom of the crowd based on what they do, then you shouldn't draft Mathews any higher than RB3 in the 4-5th round.

As a former Bradshaw owner, I disagree with the Shark Pool (if they say that).

 

[steveski]

Ryan Matthews- I said never again. No way. Fool me twice.... Well, Matthews is looking good. Running hard, showing burst, and staying healthy. Certainly not back in the top ten, but a viable RB2 again.

This is great. You know a player is a huge risk when it is considered an accomplishment that he has stayed healthy through the third week of preseason games.

Shark Pool says there is no such thing as being injury prone, so draft him with confidence. He's no more likely to get injured than Chris Johnson is.

If you go with the wisdom of the crowd based on what they say, that is.

If you go with the wisdom of the crowd based on what they do, then you shouldn't draft Mathews any higher than RB3 in the 4-5th round.

I didn't know we all had the same opinion. If so, what's the point of this forum?