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Based on our own poll I think he knows the answer. It is going to get a lot worse for CK and anybody who is dumb enough to support him.. The beauty of it is they are too stupid too see they are slitting their own throats when it comes to potential endorsement deals..
Agreed. The 40something white male is exactly the demographic advertisers are looking to target when they get a CK type to pimp their product. 

 
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I am guessing the NFL puts out a memo concerning conduct during the national anthem and pre-game displays. 
The people will decide...This is the protest of the day...that will soon pass when the newness wears off...The millennial have a very short attention span...

 
Have a hard time understanding how Peter King's weekly column is evidence of me 'searching the internet' to find the outliers.  I'm sure many people in this country both military and civilian find Kaepernick's protest deplorable.  But I think sentiment is shifting as his actions are accompanied by well thought out, articulate reasoning as to why he's protesting.  He is drawing attention to a current crisis in our country and I think you'll find as you go back to your friends or family over time that their attitudes towards him might change if they actually listen to what he has to say.  

This is why I asked you to pose your question to men or women who have actually served our country.  I don't have a finger on the pulse of active duty men and women; I only know what I read from people who served or serve like Zilla, Joe or others.  Chastising them for having liberal beliefs is on you, man.  "Yes, 3 posters on FBG (who also happen to be some of the most liberal posters here) def make a great poll."  Talk about being disrespectful.  You want me to ask conservative military people only about this because, what, their opinions are the only ones that matter here?  

Just find this entire exchange pointless.  You want to believe all active duty men and women hate Colin Kaepernick, fine, be my guest.  You want to believe that I'm scouring the internet to find opposing viewpoints on this topic, there's no changing your mind.  You want to bash the opinion of FBG vets or active duty servicemen because their opinions are liberal and don't jibe with the point you're trying to make, that's on you.    

The people on this board and in this world who are butthurt over Colin Kaepernick's actions are probably the same people who would have dogpiled on Cassius Clay for protesting the Vietnam War by refusing to report to duty.  In time, you'll see that most people come around on issues like this, or do you think there were still angry people with a pitchfork at the time Muhammad Ali died this year?
I wasn't alive for Ali, can't speak with a great perspective on something I wasn't around for. 

If you want to take what I said before as being the ultimate disrespect, so be it.

"Yes, 3 posters on FBG (who also happen to be some of the most liberal posters here) def make a great poll.
The statement was simply implying I knew what their opinion would be based on years of seeing their posts, I could've easily predicted how they would've felt about the issues, and they're (just like you) obviously entitled to feel however they want.

With the needless insults, today it is you who seems angry TBH. 

 
Well I don't rightly have an answer..It is more of a gut feeling...Maybe it is based on the feeling that BLM isn't a major player in their lives..The only people who seem to think Black Lives Don't Matter are black people......Maybe I'm wrong, but that isn't for you too decide...

If I were an agent of any of these players I would be explaining how bad of a business move it would be to disrespect the country and the feelings of the majority of the people within said country.
You are indeed wrong. What you probably meant to say was that the only people who seem to think Black Lives Don't Matter are white people. Unless that was some kind of joke the boys back at Stormfront tell each other and I just missed it. But some white people do care as should be evident by the discussion in here. 

Your observation about it being a bad business move is pretty useless, too..... Of course it's a bad business move..... A principled but unpopular political protest always is..... That's one of the things that makes them admirable.

 
Based on our own poll I think he knows the answer. It is going to get a lot worse for CK and anybody who is dumb enough to support him.. The beauty of it is they are too stupid too see they are slitting their own throats when it comes to potential endorsement deals..
I doubt that.  Right now I think he is trending upward.  This thread started out by calling him a thug and an idiot, yet every time he has explained his actions he has come across as really articulate and reasonable.  

 
You are indeed wrong. What you probably meant to say was that the only people who seem to think Black Lives Don't Matter are white people. Unless that was some kind of joke the boys back at Stormfront tell each other and I just missed it. But some white people do care as should be evident by the discussion in here. 

Your observation about it being a bad business move is pretty useless, too..... Of course it's a bad business move..... A principled but unpopular political protest always is..... That's one of the things that makes them admirable.
I'd like to reply so you don't generalize all who are against Kaep or him sitting here:

A lot of people understand there are issues that need to be addressed, things are far from perfect for minorities, and dialogue is an absolute necessity. Some of us are just in a camp that this guy in particular is an idiot & his history is one of someone who generally hasn't been a leader to those around him (even though he was compensated VERY WELL to be one). Beyond disliking the guy before this, I do think it is being disrespectful, nothing will change that opinion.

But for those that lump everyone into a category of racism for taking a dislike or position against this, that just comes off as silly IMO. I've seen it implied here, and it is just foolishness.  

 
I doubt that.  Right now I think he is trending upward.  This thread started out by calling him a thug and an idiot, yet every time he has explained his actions he has come across as really articulate and reasonable.  
And that, my friends, is what pisses off the angry bittermens who cloak their racism by slinging terms like "thug" around when talking about Colin.  He's smarter than they are and they can't stand it.  I bet......Colin....can get his......point across......without......using........grammar that....would make.....a robot.....explode.

 
I'd like to reply so you don't generalize all who are against Kaep or him sitting here:

A lot of people understand there are issues that need to be addressed, things are far from perfect for minorities, and dialogue is an absolute necessity. Some of us are just in a camp that this guy in particular is an idiot & his history is one of someone who generally hasn't been a leader to those around him (even though he was compensated VERY WELL to be one). Beyond disliking the guy before this, I do think it is being disrespectful, nothing will change that opinion.

But for those that lump everyone into a category of racism for taking a dislike or position against this, that just comes off as silly IMO. I've seen it implied here, and it is just foolishness.  
Why is he an idiot?

 
For those of you in the COLIN IS AN IDIOT camp, it might help to check out his Wonderlic Test Score:  38

Matthew Stafford and Stanford grad Kevin Hogan also had a 38.

Andrew Luck scored a 37.  Aaron Rodgers a 35.

But by all means, keep saying Colin Kaepernick is an idiot because it helps justify your anger over his actions.  

 

 
Why is he an idiot?
Have you watched him over the last 5 years? Have you seen him interact with those around him?

He never came off as articulate, engaging, or an asset to those around him. He distanced himself from those he was supposed to lead while being paid 8 figures to do so. He whined like a little baby when his job was threatened. 

I'm sure others will bash this next comment, but whatever; he also showed a strong inability to learn a playbook or read a defense while being paid handsomely to know this stuff. You give me $12M a year, I'll recite Webster's Dictionary for you. Yea football, I get it, but wouldn't someone of strong intelligence have been able to figure this stuff out while possessing all of the physical tools you'll ever need to do so.

PS - glad you can google his wonderlic, I was well aware of what it was before that, but appreciate the effort you set forth. I've been calling him an idiot for years and will continue to do so.

 
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Have you watched him over the last 5 years? Have you seen him interact with those around him?

He never came off as articulate, engaging, or an asset to those around him. He distanced himself from those he was supposed to lead while being paid 8 figures to do so. He whined like a little baby when his job was threatened. 

I'm sure others will bash this next comment, but whatever; he also showed a strong inability to learn a playbook or read a defense while being paid handsomely to know this stuff. You give me $12M a year, I'll recite Webster's Dictionary for you. Yea football, I get it, but wouldn't someone of strong intelligence have been able to figure this stuff out while possessing all of the physical tools you'll ever need to do so.
Interesting that with those supposed deficiencies he was still able to take the 49ers to a Super Bowl appearance.

 
I'd like to reply so you don't generalize all who are against Kaep or him sitting here:

A lot of people understand there are issues that need to be addressed, things are far from perfect for minorities, and dialogue is an absolute necessity. Some of us are just in a camp that this guy in particular is an idiot & his history is one of someone who generally hasn't been a leader to those around him (even though he was compensated VERY WELL to be one). Beyond disliking the guy before this, I do think it is being disrespectful, nothing will change that opinion.

But for those that lump everyone into a category of racism for taking a dislike or position against this, that just comes off as silly IMO. I've seen it implied here, and it is just foolishness.  
I was having a dialogue strictly with our misguided friend Ditka Butkus strictly about statements he made regarding white Seattle players and black Seattle players. Thus far, he has performed an admirable dance step or three to avoid saying what he'd rather only imply. It is a common tactic by those whose views have become anachronistic in today's culture. 

One doesn't have to be a racist to disagree with Kap's actions but the very nature of the protest suggests that one needs to tread lightly in insuring that one's objections don't cross a line. GB Ditka Butkus likes dancing very close to that line while pretending that it doesn't exist and that he didn't touch it anyway.

Our next discussion somewhere should be about misogyny. 

 
Have you watched him over the last 5 years? Have you seen him interact with those around him?

He never came off as articulate, engaging, or an asset to those around him. He distanced himself from those he was supposed to lead while being paid 8 figures to do so. He whined like a little baby when his job was threatened. 

I'm sure others will bash this next comment, but whatever; he also showed a strong inability to learn a playbook or read a defense while being paid handsomely to know this stuff. You give me $12M a year, I'll recite Webster's Dictionary for you. Yea football, I get it, but wouldn't someone of strong intelligence have been able to figure this stuff out while possessing all of the physical tools you'll ever need to do so.

PS - glad you can google his wonderlic, I was well aware of what it was before that, but appreciate the effort you set forth. 
Good lord....

He quarterbacked his team to a Super Bowl his first year as as starter in 2012.  His team went back to the NFC Conference Championship game where they lost an incredibly close game to get back to the Super Bowl in his second year as the starter.  In 2014, Harbaugh and management spent all season fighting and the team fell apart.  You want to pin that all on Kaepernick's low intellect, fine.  Wrong, but fine.  That season he finished with 3,300 yards passing, 600 yards rushing.  Stupid idiot!

Jim Tomsula, early retirement of defensive studs and Aldon Smith were as much to blame last year as Kaepernick's regression.  Oh there's also the minor point that HE WAS INJURED AND NEEDED SHOULDER SURGERY!  What a moron!

 Here's what his old coach said about Colin and his utter stupidity.  

 

"He's becoming very expert in the system. He’s the type of player that studies the game plan, studies the ready-list, studies our practice tape, opponent tape, and somebody that contributes to the game plan and formulates ideas, asks questions, knows what everybody on the offense is doing and getting very good at understanding defenses and what they’re trying to accomplish and what their adjustments are. Still evolving and looking for ways to get better in areas that he can continue to learn, so it’s not something that is finite. He continues to grow. But he’s always eager to learn, always eager to understand and eager to have input as well.”
Yeah, a real idiot.

 
Aldon Smith were as much to blame last year as Kaepernick's regression.
Very interesting take, elaborate please. You may want to do some super Googling bc you're talking to someone who knows just a touch about this. 

Just bc you like his cause, doesn't make him brilliant, although nothing will change your stance here and we will continue talking past each other. 

 
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Even the white players?
Yup:

http://usuncut.com/resistance/entire-seattle-seahawks-roster-will-protest-national-anthem-sunda/

The entire Seattle Seahawks team will protest the national anthem at opening game

The Seattle Seahawks will become the first NFL team to join Colin Kaepernick’s silent protest during the national anthem this Sunday.

In their home opener against the Miami Dolphins, the Seattle Seahawks have planned a “big surprise” during the national anthem, according to starting linebacker Bobby Wagner. Wagner emphasized that the entire roster will take part in the protest, though he didn’t specify if the team would sit or kneel.

“Anything we want to do, it’s not going to be individual. It’s going to be a team thing. That’s what the world needs to see. The world needs to see people coming together versus being individuals,” Wagner told the Seattle Times.

The team has the support of head coach Pete Carroll, who recently stood up for cornerback Jeremy Lane when he sat during the national anthem in solidarity with San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick last Thursday before Seattle’s final preseason game against the Oakland Raiders.

“[Lane]’s pretty clear on what he did and what he was trying to express and I think it is very simple and so we’ll leave that up to him,” Carroll told the Times.

 
Very interesting take, elaborate please. You may want to do some super Googling bc you're talking to someone who knows just a touch about this. 

Just bc you like his cause, doesn't make him brilliant, although nothing will change your stance here and we will continue talking past each other. 
FANTASY FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE FIGHT!!!!!

On August 7, 2015, following an arrest for his third DUI, Smith was released by the 49ers.  Add this to the retirement of Chris Borland and Patrick Willis, the unfortunate hire of Jim Tomsula and you have the makings for a disastrous season beyond Kaep's control.  But hey man, you want to keep calling him an idiot because of the way he talks, be my guest.  I've demonstrated more than one counterpoint including a Wonderlic score that I'm sure would beat yours to prove he's not an idiot, but have at it.  I think what bothers you is that he is intelligent and articulate and you want so bad for him to fit the stereotype of other dumb jocks so badly because it fits your preconceived narrative, but it's not happening here.  Kaepernick is not just smart, her's smarter than you are and that's what's got you all butthurt and bothered.  Man, it's okay.  It's not your fault.

 
FANTASY FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGE FIGHT!!!!!

On August 7, 2015, following an arrest for his third DUI, Smith was released by the 49ers.  Add this to the retirement of Chris Borland and Patrick Willis, the unfortunate hire of Jim Tomsula and you have the makings for a disastrous season beyond Kaep's control.  But hey man, you want to keep calling him an idiot because of the way he talks, be my guest.  I've demonstrated more than one counterpoint including a Wonderlic score that I'm sure would beat yours to prove he's not an idiot, but have at it.  I think what bothers you is that he is intelligent and articulate and you want so bad for him to fit the stereotype of other dumb jocks so badly because it fits your preconceived narrative, but it's not happening here.  Kaepernick is not just smart, her's smarter than you are and that's what's got you all butthurt and bothered.  Man, it's okay.  It's not your fault.
You're aware he stole Aldon Smith's girlfriend and was courting her while they were still dating? You left that out :shrug:

So it is Smith's fault as part of his regression? Possibly the hottest take I've ever heard.

Good dude snaking his friend/teammates chick. & by no means am I defending Aldon Smith, #### that guy.

Quick, go hit your search engine and come back.

 
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You're aware he stole Aldon Smith's girlfriend and was courting her while they were still dating? You left that out :shrug:
Cancels absolutely nothing about what I've said regarding their 2015 season, his intelligence or his success on the field prior to 2015.  Smith is in rehab.  Kaepernick is changing minds and sparking a movement in sports.  Keep reading TMZ, though....it's riveting stuff.

 
Cancels absolutely nothing about what I've said regarding their 2015 season, his intelligence or his success on the field prior to 2015.  Smith is in rehab.  Kaepernick is changing minds and sparking a movement in sports.  Keep reading TMZ, though....it's riveting stuff.
I don't read read TMZ - are you going to take that Aldon Smith comment back? Obviously when the QB and star defensive player on the team you root for have it out, you're going to find out why, correct? I mean you're obviously 10000000% incorrect about Smith leading to his regression, if anything, probably vice versa TBH. Keep up with the insults, I've refrained since I have no need, just spoken the evidence. 

 
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I don't read read TMZ - are you going to take that Aldon Smith comment back? Obviously when the QB and star defensive player on the team you root for have it out, you're going to find out why, correct? I mean you're obviously 10000000% incorrect about Smith leading to his regression, if anything, probably vice versa TBH. Keep up with the insults, I've refrained since I have no need, just spoken the evidence. 
:confused:  Smith was in trouble with the law roughly 4-5 times before that, including a DUI, which had nothing to do with his final arrest and release. In fact wasn't he suspended most of the 2014 season?

 
:confused:  Smith was in trouble with the law roughly 4-5 times before that, including a DUI, which had nothing to do with his final arrest and release. In fact wasn't he suspended most of the 2014 season?
His comment was "Smith was part of his regression"... I was replying to that.

He was in the process of stealing Smith's GF - If anything, he was bad for Smith, not vice versa. His comment was completely inaccurate, but we shouldn't let facts interject into this stimulating debate. 

 
:confused:  Smith was in trouble with the law roughly 4-5 times before that, including a DUI, which had nothing to do with his final arrest and release. In fact wasn't he suspended most of the 2014 season?
That's kind of the point I was trying to make here......not sure what the GF incident has to do with Smith being unavailable to play defense for the 49ers last year.  

 
His comment was "Smith was part of his regression"... I was replying to that.

He was in the process of stealing Smith's GF - If anything, he was bad for Smith, not vice versa. His comment was completely inaccurate, but we shouldn't let facts interject into this stimulating debate. 
Buddy.....Smith being unavailable to play defense in 2015 because of another DUI arrest is the point I was trying to make.  3 defensive studs GONE before the season began.  Not sure what this girl has to do with anything unless she was playing nose tackle.

 
His comment was "Smith was part of his regression"... I was replying to that.

He was in the process of stealing Smith's GF - If anything, he was bad for Smith, not vice versa. His comment was completely inaccurate, but we shouldn't let facts interject into this stimulating debate. 
CK loses a good player on Defense and so his team struggles including him.

AS has been in trouble with dui, bomb scare, gun issues and yet CK was bad for Smith?

Yeah, sorry but not tracking.

 
That's kind of the point I was trying to make here......not sure what the GF incident has to do with Smith being unavailable to play defense for the 49ers last year.  
He wanted Smith out of the picture, he was stealing the guys chick. If you won't admit that you're comment about Smith being part of his regression was extremely incorrect, then you'll never admit to anything being incorrect. 

 
CK loses a good player on Defense and so his team struggles including him.

AS has been in trouble with dui, bomb scare, gun issues and yet CK was bad for Smith?

Yeah, sorry but not tracking.
He stole his girl. Smith is an ####### (don't like him either), but Smith was not part of CK's regression, which was GM's exact quote above. 

Nothing more to say on this, just refuting his extremely inaccurate quote above, that is all.

 
Cool. So now that we've thoroughly nitpicked one sentence out of GM's entire post, how does this prove Kaep to be an unintelligent thug, terrible at his job, whose opinions should automatically be ignored?

 
Cool. So now that we've thoroughly nitpicked one sentence out of GM's entire post, how does this prove Kaep to be an unintelligent thug, terrible at his job, whose opinions should automatically be ignored?
Took a piece of text that was incorrect, corrected it, and it is still being disputed. 

You can admit parts of your text are incorrect without conceding your argument. Unfortunately, can't even get that from this group even when the evidence is clear as day.

Your question was answered previously (I could've been more thorough, although no need bc we're all just going to talk past each other - Kaep the Rhodes Scholar!).

 
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Yes, I'm sure he was happy to watch the defense crumble so that he was playing from behind and defenses could tee off on him.  
Yes, everyone likes being around an unstable 6'4 265 pound animal after stealing this person's girlfriend. He probably wanted more time around Aldon Smith after that.

 
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Yes, everyone likes being around an unstable 6'4 265 pound animal after stealing this person's girlfriend. He probably wanted more time around Aldon Smith after that.
Seahawks won a super bowl with a team that had players punching each other in the face over having affairs with each other's wives.  You think they'd have rather lost so that they didn't have to see each other in the locker room?  The NFL isn't 8th grade.

 
Seahawks won a super bowl with a team that had players punching each other in the face over having affairs with each other's wives.  You think they'd have rather lost so that they didn't have to see each other in the locker room?  The NFL isn't 8th grade.
Right, but none of them are as unintelligent as Kapernick. 39+ Wonderlics as far as the eye can see in that locker room. 

 
He wanted Smith out of the picture, he was stealing the guys chick. If you won't admit that you're comment about Smith being part of his regression was extremely incorrect, then you'll never admit to anything being incorrect. 
As I've said, the losses of three good linebackers prior to the start of the season injured a team that relied heavily on a great defense during their runs.  Kaep might have been glad was off the team because of a girl, ok.  Smith stayed in the Bay Area...if he wanted to fight Kaep he could have.  Sounds like the only person who cares about the girl is you.

A weak defense, a horrendous hire of a coach, no Frank Gore....lots of reasons....for Team and Kaep regression.

Plus....you know....the shoulder injury. How long was he hurt?

 
Have you watched him over the last 5 years? Have you seen him interact with those around him?

He never came off as articulate, engaging, or an asset to those around him. He distanced himself from those he was supposed to lead while being paid 8 figures to do so. He whined like a little baby when his job was threatened. 

I'm sure others will bash this next comment, but whatever; he also showed a strong inability to learn a playbook or read a defense while being paid handsomely to know this stuff. You give me $12M a year, I'll recite Webster's Dictionary for you. Yea football, I get it, but wouldn't someone of strong intelligence have been able to figure this stuff out while possessing all of the physical tools you'll ever need to do so.

PS - glad you can google his wonderlic, I was well aware of what it was before that, but appreciate the effort you set forth. I've been calling him an idiot for years and will continue to do so.
You are confusing different types of intelligence here. The world's greatest scholars probably can't process what 22 people are doing on a football field in the milliseconds needed to be a great NFL QB, and there are probably some with very low IQs that can. For all his shortcomings as a QB, leader, and teammate, anyone calling him dumb in a general sense doesn't know much about him. 

 
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Here's my quote.  In it I should have added - getting cut from the team - after Aldon Smith.  

Jim Tomsula, early retirement of defensive studs and Aldon Smith were as much to blame last year as Kaepernick's regression. 

Thought it was understood that his DUI last summer and subsequent release was what I meant in regards to the loss of Aldon Smith, further weakening a good defense.  Honestly had no idea about the girlfriend thing. :shrug:

Is she hot?

 
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