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Kaep Sitting for Anthem

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roadkill1292 said:
The aim of protest is to be confrontational in uncomfortable ways. On the Austin campus of the University of Texas, thousands of co-eds are traveling around with bright pink dildoes hanging on the outside of their backpacks to draw attention to Texas law re: guns on campus. That probably makes many neutrals uncomfortable. That's the point. 
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It makes me uncomfortable...in my pants.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
"Listen" I'll put up with 70% rate of born out of wedlock children, domestic violence, selling of drugs on the street corners, carjackings, armed robbery, looting , burning of buildings, gang violence , gun violence , murder of thousands of black people at the hands of other black people,...but when I see black criminals being shot by white police...that is where I draw the line...I blame America and will not stand up during the National Anthem..
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perfection

 
Capella said:
He did an 18-minute interview with all the local media about it yesterday. Just google it. 

You might not agree with him but he laid out his points well. 
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Especially this one: "I'm gonna sit on the bench during the national anthem until someone fixes the problem." What a ####### idiot.

 
http://www.cleveland.com/solon/index.ssf/2016/08/solon_police_identify_man_char.html

SOLON, Ohio – Solon police have identified the North Ridgeville man accused of fatally shooting a woman after their two vehicles crashed at a busy intersection.

Matthew Ryan Desha, 29, of North Ridgeville, is charged with murder in the death of Deborah Pearl, police said.

He will appear Monday in Bedford Municipal Court.

Pearl, 53, of Twinsburg, died Saturday after Desha shot her with a 5.56-millimeter rifle, police said. 

Officers arrested Desha at the scene without incident.

Pearl left home Saturday morning to head to work at South East Harley Davidson in Bedford Heights, her son told cleveland.com. 

Desha ran a red light just after 7:20 a.m. on Solon Road and hit Pearl's Ford Taurus at the intersection of Richmond Road. The impact pushed Pearl's car several feet east onto Solon Road. Desha's Jeep flipped several times and landed on its roof about 50 feet from Pearl's car, police said.

Witnesses said Desha exited his car with a rifle. One witnesses told cleveland.com that Pearl had her hands in the air when Desha shot her several times.

Officers found Pearl lying in the roadway. She died after paramedics took her to University Hospitals Bedford Medical Center, the Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's Office said.

Investigators have not released a motive for the shooting.
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Hmm, so white guy shoots black woman after a wreck and then is arrested without incident at the scene... now imagine the guy is black and just sitting in a car, reaching for ID after being asked to produce it....

 
ShamrockPride said:
Because it's inaccurate. I'll have to add in MT's post into this thread, but it's not as much about anti-americanism as it is about anti-tribalism.
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So, pretty much fearful of anyone having pride in something.  But that is just being generic.  Specifically you are fearful (or at least uncomfortable) of people having pride in America, which in my opinion is irrational and bazaar. 

 
Megaton said:
So, pretty much fearful of anyone having pride in something.  But that is just being generic.  Specifically you are fearful (or at least uncomfortable) of people having pride in America, which in my opinion is irrational and bazaar. 
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No, nice try tho. Go to the first page of this thread and read the first 10 responses or so. I'm there, as are my full opinions. If you don't care enough to do that, I'll just assume you know you're wrong.

 
Megaton said:
So, pretty much fearful of anyone having pride in something.  But that is just being generic.  Specifically you are fearful (or at least uncomfortable) of people having pride in America, which in my opinion is irrational and bazaar. 
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Some of you appear to be a little fearful (or at least uncomfortable) with people who deviate from societal norms. That's actually pretty natural, we have a long history of reactionaryism in this country. Which is not the same thing as condoning it. 

What you might think of as "pride" is merely "partisanship" to some of us.

 
Megaton said:
So, pretty much fearful of anyone having pride in something.  But that is just being generic.  Specifically you are fearful (or at least uncomfortable) of people having pride in America, which in my opinion is irrational and bazaar. 
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Oh contraire, mon frere...I see it as you being fearful, lacking pride in something..."generically" speaking, of what our country (sans symbolism) truly represents.  I am proud of our flag, & our anthem, but they are just that, symbols.  I am equally proud that those "against" said symbols, can voice their opinion.  That's what "we" should be all about.  My new 'mexican neighbor is just as American as all of us, & I'll be proud( @Apple Jack )when he digs my grave..

 
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ShamrockPride said:
No, nice try tho. Go to the first page of this thread and read the first 10 responses or so. I'm there, as are my full opinions. If you don't care enough to do that, I'll just assume you know you're wrong.
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You provided two links which I am not clicking on, you stated nationalism is stupid and you said the people who bother to stand for an anthem stand for the history and the values behind the flag.  Not really seeing a coherent message here, care to articulate it in a clearer fashion?  Are you insinuating people who stand for the flag are stupid and you somehow think you are superior? 

 
Megaton said:
So, pretty much fearful of anyone having pride in something.  But that is just being generic.  Specifically you are fearful (or at least uncomfortable) of people having pride in America, which in my opinion is irrational and bazaar. 
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It's not pride itself that is the problem but pride without recognition of its flaws. I'm very proud of this country but I also acknowledge that we're still working toward a more perfect union.

 
Kafka said:
Oh contraire, mon frere...I see it as you being fearful, lacking pride in something..."generically" speaking, of what our country (sans symbolism) truly represents.  I am proud of our flag, & our anthem, but they are just that, symbols.  I am equally proud that those "against" said symbols, can voice their opinion.  That's what "we" should be all about.  My new 'mexican neighbor is just as American as all of us, & I'll be proud( @Apple Jack )when he digs my grave..
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:lmao: ...whatever.  I feel zero fear when I stand for the national anthem.  You can comfort yourself with whatever fantasy you wish to rationalize your strange thoughts. 

 
squistion said:
Maybe, maybe not. This certainly is not going to help is career. Although if/when he is cut by the 49ers (which seems likely) he will eventually catch on with another team, maybe not right away but after this blows over. Teams are always looking for backup QBs, even mediocre ones. If Jimmy Clausen's services are in demand then he should land somewhere. 

However, his "protest" has drawn more attention to his message than if he had given 1000 interviews. If he had given a press conference and gave the same message, I doubt there would be a thread about or that we would be talking about it in this forum (with the possible exception of the Black Lives Matter thread and I am not sure of that).
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You are saying this as if it is a "good" thing for his cause.  It is not.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Just another example of snot nosed punks who don't appreciate the sacrifices others have made...Bunch of ingrates...
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I think most of us appreciate the sacrifices that others have made.  I appreciate them so much that I do not like seeing them go to waste.  This is a great country, but blind nationalism only sets us back.

 
So, some no name jerk wad that plays for eagles says he won't stand for anthem either. I guess all of the sh@@y players in the league are uniting as one before they get cut

 
roadkill1292 said:
Some of you appear to be a little fearful (or at least uncomfortable) with people who deviate from societal norms. That's actually pretty natural, we have a long history of reactionaryism in this country. Which is not the same thing as condoning it. 

What you might think of as "pride" is merely "partisanship" to some of us.
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It is not a partisan issue.  I would think even most democrats are prideful when they hear the national anthem.  Although it does seem it is mostly a minority of lefties who are or hint at being against the anthem. 

 
cstu said:
It's not pride itself that is the problem but pride without recognition of its flaws. I'm very proud of this country but I also acknowledge that we're still working toward a more perfect union.
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Every person who walked this planet has had serious flaws and every country has had serious flaws.  The flag represent the ideals.  Having flaws does not take away from that. 

 
Megaton said:
You provided two links which I am not clicking on, you stated nationalism is stupid and you said the people who bother to stand for an anthem stand for the history and the values behind the flag.  Not really seeing a coherent message here, care to articulate it in a clearer fashion?  Are you insinuating people who stand for the flag are stupid and you somehow think you are superior? 
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This is also what I posted. I do encourage you click the George Carlin link (a 3 minute clip), as he can articulate far better than I can. As it is, here is further down the page what I said:

That's fine. But did you ever think how nationalism only serves to further divide us as humans? And granted, it's far too late in the human timeline to change the way we intrinsically think, so I suppose we're stuck with what we have. But do you disagree that nationalism divides? Within a singular country I can agree it can be a unifying idea, but moving outside your borders, it creates comparisons, unhealthy competitions, and a sense of superiority, or in other cases inferiority, which can further breed disdain and hatred.

 
Dickies said:
I think most of us appreciate the sacrifices that others have made.  I appreciate them so much that I do not like seeing them go to waste.  This is a great country, but blind nationalism only sets us back.
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So protesting our National Anthem is going to fix a perceived problem.....Maybe he should go to each of the police departments that he feels have been unjust and walk with a sign in front of them saying as much....Now that is a protest that the people who fought for his rights and freedoms can get behind....

By the way you pinko commies are in the minority..... USA! USA! USA!

 
Megaton said:
Every person who walked this planet has had serious flaws and every country has had serious flaws.  The flag represent the ideals.  Having flaws does not take away from that. 
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That's one interpretation. Another is that its a symbol of the realities of life inside the country. 

I'm not stating that very well, but my point is, while you think a flag only represents the ideals of a country, others may interpret it differently. As far as I know, there is no universal flag symbolism interpretation.

 
ShamrockPride said:
This is also what I posted. I do encourage you click the George Carlin link (a 3 minute clip), as he can articulate far better than I can. As it is, here is further down the page what I said:

That's fine. But did you ever think how nationalism only serves to further divide us as humans? And granted, it's far too late in the human timeline to change the way we intrinsically think, so I suppose we're stuck with what we have. But do you disagree that nationalism divides? Within a singular country I can agree it can be a unifying idea, but moving outside your borders, it creates comparisons, unhealthy competitions, and a sense of superiority, or in other cases inferiority, which can further breed disdain and hatred.
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Nationalism unites people together for a common cause which in a lot of cases can be for very good causes.  So to say that it only divides us is misguided.  Nationalism is like anything political or religious.  It is mostly used for good, but in the wrong hands it can be turned into evil. 

 
Megaton said:
It is not a partisan issue.  I would think even most democrats are prideful when they hear the national anthem.  Although it does seem it is mostly a minority of lefties who are or hint at being against the anthem. 
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Says you. To me the anthem says "Hooray for our side." And, yeah, lefties are lefties partly because we're not particularly big believers in traditional mores.

FWIW, I thought the anthem was entirely appropriate when my daughter graduated from basic training. But there's something about the slimy NFL leeching onto it and trying to affiliate its product with patriotism that really turns my stomach.

 
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whoknew said:
That's one interpretation. Another is that its a symbol of the realities of life inside the country. 

I'm not stating that very well, but my point is, while you think a flag only represents the ideals of a country, others may interpret it differently. As far as I know, there is no universal flag symbolism interpretation.
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Then burn the flag to demonstrate against a specific evil.  But when the national anthem is playing before a game, it is trying to unite everyone under our common ideals.  That is the message.   

 
roadkill1292 said:
Says you. To me the anthem says "Hooray for our side." And, yeah, lefties are lefties partly because we're not particularly big believers in traditional mores.

FWIW, I thought the anthem was entirely appropriate when my daughter graduated from basic training. But there's something about the slimy NFL leeching onto it and trying to affiliate its product with patriotism that really turns my stomach.
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Don't most sports play it prior to game time?  Is it just the NFL that turns your stomach?  What about the Olympics?

 
Guys, I'm really enjoying the people telling other people what the national anthem does and doesn't mean without seeming to grasp the irony of that in this context at all.  The bizarre foray into complaining about black on black crime was pretty great too.  And I'm glad to see someone even got in some preemptive Clinton bashing even though she hasn't said a word about this. 

But you're missing an obvious and easy hot take target here: what about those lazy, entitled millenials?  Can we get a couple posts blaming them for everything?

 
roadkill1292 said:
Says you. To me the anthem says "Hooray for our side." And, yeah, lefties are lefties partly because we're not particularly big believers in traditional mores.

FWIW, I thought the anthem was entirely appropriate when my daughter graduated from basic training. But there's something about the slimy NFL leeching onto it and trying to affiliate its product with patriotism that really turns my stomach.
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hear, hear

 
roadkill1292 said:
I really hate hearing anthems at the Olympics. It's not a contest between nations, no matter how many idiots want it to be so.
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It's not?  Why do they limit participants by nation then?  Why do they play the anthems?  Why are athletes introduced by their nation?

 
The rest of the world is wrong about the Olympics but you are not...ok.  Please help provide us with other wisdom you have that the rest of the human race has missed. Thanks in advance.

 
jonessed said:
It's not?  Why do they limit participants by nation then?  Why do they play the anthems?  Why are athletes introduced by their nation?
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I don't know? Because they're stupid and the people who like it that way are wrong?

Ksquared said:
The rest of the world is wrong about the Olympics but you are not...ok.  Please help provide us with other wisdom you have that the rest of the human race has missed. Thanks in advance.
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Sigh.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Guys, I'm really enjoying the people telling other people what the national anthem does and doesn't mean without seeming to grasp the irony of that in this context at all.  The bizarre foray into complaining about black on black crime was pretty great too.  And I'm glad to see someone even got in some preemptive Clinton bashing even though she hasn't said a word about this. 

But you're missing an obvious and easy hot take target here: what about those lazy, entitled millenials?  Can we get a couple posts blaming them for everything?
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I kind of did when I called them snot nosed punk ingrates...

 
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