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squistion said:
Agreed, this poll has methodology problems for the reasons you mentioned, but also his bias is shown in the OP (Colin Kaepernick sucks) and in the poll questions, suggesting the desired answer by leading off with "He's an #######".  He edited the original OP which was even more revealing of his attitude:
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Keep spinning, the OP was erased  when there were roughly 25 votes. Furthermore, the masses would rather vote against my opinion than for it, even though it was erased well before the majority had voted. Even furthermore, thanks for quoting that, I forgotten how correct my biases were towards some posters, but they seem to be spot on.

Lastly, you're the worst.

 
squistion said:
Not really, as the Deadspin article points out:

Trump’s entire campaign is based around the idea that America is stumbling, or broken, or fundamentally subpar in some way—“Make America great again” and all that. His response to someone else who believes America needs to fix things is to tell him to look for another country. Incredible.



I’m reminded that “if you don’t like it, get out” was a common rejoinder to political protests of the Bush era—as if America were perfect, and supporting it means never acknowledging its faults, and if you want to call attention to its shortcomings and work to make it better, you must not truly love it. That refrain seemed to have thankfully disappeared from top-level political discourse. God bless Donald Trump for never failing to disappoint with the takes.
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You just told 64 % of the country to get out

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Wow

 
When someone tries to debate something that is black/white with hard numbers there disputing their claims, this is truly when you know you have a stupid individual.

A reasonable individual with even average intellect will know when to concede something :shrug:

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Keep spinning, the OP was erased  when there were roughly 25 votes. Furthermore, the masses would rather vote against my opinion than for it, even though it was erased well before the majority had voted. Even furthermore, thanks for quoting that, I forgotten how correct my biases were towards some posters, but they seem to be spot on.

Lastly, you're the worst.
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Thanks! :pickle:

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Keep spinning, the OP was erased  when there were roughly 25 votes. Furthermore, the masses would rather vote against my opinion than for it, even though it was erased well before the majority had voted. 
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How do you figure that?

Your erased OP was anti-Kaepernick, the current OP says "Colin Kaepernick sucks"and "He's an #######" has received 54.25% of the votes - which shows that a majority agree with your opinion. 

 
Yeah, it's disrespectful and really more selfish than anything, but I support his right to be a complete buffoon and one-trick pony.

 
Ditka Butkus said:
right the black people....you know all those poor NBA and NFL players and also the President of the United States....
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Statistically, if we assume all NFL and NBA players currently on active rosters are black, plus 1 for Obama, you're talking about approximately 0.005384% of black Americans.

 
There are rich black people, that's how I know they aren't oppressed.

That's the dumbest argument you'll read this month.

 
Soootch said:
I watched Kaepernick talking to the media today and I was surprised that he actually does have some understanding of the election and made some decent points about both candidates (for a pro athlete). I still think he's shooting himself in the foot and has dug himself a PR hole that he may never escape, but I don't think he's acting in some insane manner compared to your average twentysomething liberal SJW full of piss and vinegar. He's got intense emotions without the context of life experience. Haven't we all been there?

The square peg/round hole issue is that he's an NFL QB -- the assumption is that he should be taking reps and watching film 24/7 if he wants to regain a starting job. And that's the crux of this controversy -- decide who you are and act accordingly. If you're a 49er in your heart and you want to lead the team again, then obviously you won't have the mental bandwidth to agonize over BLM issues -- and as soon as you start making that an issue and distracting attention away from football, you've exposed yourself as a fraud of an NFL player. If you think through that issue to its logical conclusion, the team's only recourse now is to suck it up and cut him ASAP. You can't have someone in your QB room whose mind is elsewhere, and who is causing this massive distraction. They won't stand a chance.
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What's even scarier is a SJW full of pith & vinegar...they're more polite.

 
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massraider said:
There are rich black people, that's how I know they aren't oppressed.

That's the dumbest argument you'll read this month.
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It is a variation of the argument that there is no racism against black people in this country because Obama was elected twice by a majority of voters.

 
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Are blacks oppressed in the 21st century? 

They are, It's pretty clear,  the subject of systemic racism by police and the justice system. This is especially true in inner cities, and anybody who doubts it can study the Ferguson report for evidence. That being said, there are a variety of factors that explain why this is so. By refusing to stand for the flag, Kaepernick is essentially blaming the USA as a whole country for this racism, and also implying that it is deliberate. Those are unwarranted assumptions, IMO. 

Are blacks oppressed in the 21st century in other ways: economic, social advancement, culturally? These are much more difficult to judge, but despite the assertions of Donald Trump (and apparently Colin Kaepernick) I would say no.

But even if you're one of those who believe they are oppressed both by the police AND the economic system, any rational person would have to acknowledge that in all areas conditions are far better now than they were 30 years ago, and those far better than 60 years ago, and those far better than 90 years ago. One of the most remarkable aspects of this nation, which I proudly consider the greatest in the history of civilization, is that we keep getting better about this stuff. We move forward and improve our attitudes and our results, making us today a better country than we've ever been, even though we have a long way to go yet. This continual improvement, yearning to be better, is one of the major reasons I will always stand for the flag. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Sounds to me like he's going to yell racism after they cut him even though everyone knows he sucks.  He's also looking for street cred from the black populous since he's not really getting it with his flatbill hat and tats.
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This makes a lot of sense.

Whoops, wait. Quoted the wrong post.

 
JohnnyU said:
Sounds to me like he's going to yell racism after they cut him even though everyone knows he sucks.  He's also looking for street cred from the black populous since he's not really getting it with his flatbill hat and tats.
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I keep hearing that I don't see it playing out that way.

He might say he was cut for exercising his freedom of expression, which would be true but disingenuous in that his own actions are making him a team distraction. 

However I can't see him playing the racism card when he couldn't outplay Gabbert, particulary since that would comprise his chances of being a backup in the future unless the current QB was also African American.

 
I speak from a slightly different perspective, a 49er fan and someone who has followed this ####### for over 5 years. I'm not arguing about blacks being oppressed, someone born to a family in a Section 8 in Brownsville has little to no chance (I could make the same argument for toothless Billy Bob's kids in a trailer in Alabama, but that's not here nor there).

My wording is specific as is my poll, is he an #######? Astoundingly the answer is yes here and most everywhere. This guy has never been a leader, been the center of a broken locker room for years, and has basically been invisible amongst charities until recently... Most people who have followed him came to the conclusion that he was a selfish ####### well before last Friday. #### him! He's been handed the gifts of such insane talent, yet he's too dumb to learn a playbook or make a simple read of a defense. I'm really looking forward to his bankruptcy case circa 2023.

 
Heard some of Kaepernick today and he handle himself ok. Some cringeworthy comments from him for me but this is complicated, heated issue for sure. I appreciate he is getting dialogue going but personally think he could be more effective another route. 

Trump of course bumbles in and sounds like a loudmouth doosh.

Can we all agree if you post a video of yourself burning a jersey on YouTube you should be deported?

 
The best part about this is most of us who have followed him and concluded that he's a selfish piece of garbage (well before this) now watch the super libs rally around him like he's a hero bc he sits through the National Anthem (awesome reason to rally around someone lol). Although, looking at the people that are rallying around him here, it obviously gives you insight to who else would love this guy. He'd be riding a float during an Occupy Wall Street parade, so it doesn't even bother me that much, kinda deserves a laugh. 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
The best part about this is most of us who have followed him and concluded that he's a selfish piece of garbage (well before this) now watch the super libs rally around him like he's a hero bc he sits through the National Anthem (awesome reason to rally around someone lol). Although, looking at the people that are rallying around him here, it obviously gives you insight to who else would love this guy. He'd be riding a float during an Occupy Wall Street parade, so it doesn't even bother me that much, kinda deserves a laugh. 
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Not going to read through all the pages. What is qualifying as rallying around him?

 
After some careful thought on this and also realizing my initial reaction was not good, i listened to Bomani Jones on Mike and Mike and then again on the Miami Local LeBatard hour 9-10am and I think I am going to do something I don't often do but feel no shame in changing my opinion. 

CK is legally allowed to do what he did, no crime was broken and regardless of how misguided this is, running to shame him isn't going to get to the root of the problem. We are running around screaming that people are doing heinous things and then we feel bad and we say repeatedly just talk to us and we'll listen...OK well I didn't listen for very long, and as BJ pointed out, CK has been doing this for weeks, it just so happened yesterday someone asked and he met the question with a very direct response, one that would seem like he anticipated the question at some point. I don't like what he said, what came flying out of his mouth, well that's too bad because he has a right to voice his opinion and feelings just like I did when I was irritated yesterday.

Part of growing as a person is sometimes recognizing where you can make an improvement or even retract a thought and start a new thought,. We're not robots and sometimes you need to ask "Who's life are you living?" And by that I mean most of us learned from our folks one way or the other and if not there you found a mentor early in adulthood to help fill in the blanks. So I don't want to be a person who can't grow and I don't want to be a person who can never pivot. 

I'm pivoting but I want to be clear that I disagree with CK's opinion and I think there are better ways to handle it. That said we need to stop blasting so much and at least try and listen before the next barrage of violence breaks out and we all are sitting there scratching our heads and then going back to the usual talking points in here. Let's break through that wall and stop being so thick headed on every single issue. I agree with some of the posters who already said "he's allowed like I'm allowed to voice my displeasure" and I understand, I don't disagree, I hope you'll reconsider your position and admit we need to try something else, the same old ways are not working and we can expect more violence if we don't try and make changes. 

 
The General said:
Heard some of Kaepernick today and he handle himself ok. Some cringeworthy comments from him for me but this is complicated, heated issue for sure. I appreciate he is getting dialogue going but personally think he could be more effective another route. 

Trump of course bumbles in and sounds like a loudmouth doosh.

Can we all agree if you post a video of yourself burning a jersey on YouTube you should be deported?
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The one with the guy playing the National Anthem and saluting was great :lmao:

If that was shtick, well done... If not, ugghhhhhhh, I hate the guy too, but that's just silly.

 
timschochet said:
Are blacks oppressed in the 21st century? 

They are, It's pretty clear,  the subject of systemic racism by police and the justice system. This is especially true in inner cities, and anybody who doubts it can study the Ferguson report for evidence. That being said, there are a variety of factors that explain why this is so. By refusing to stand for the flag, Kaepernick is essentially blaming the USA as a whole country for this racism, and also implying that it is deliberate. Those are unwarranted assumptions, IMO. 

Are blacks oppressed in the 21st century in other ways: economic, social advancement, culturally? These are much more difficult to judge, but despite the assertions of Donald Trump (and apparently Colin Kaepernick) I would say no.

But even if you're one of those who believe they are oppressed both by the police AND the economic system, any rational person would have to acknowledge that in all areas conditions are far better now than they were 30 years ago, and those far better than 60 years ago, and those far better than 90 years ago. One of the most remarkable aspects of this nation, which I proudly consider the greatest in the history of civilization, is that we keep getting better about this stuff. We move forward and improve our attitudes and our results, making us today a better country than we've ever been, even though we have a long way to go yet. This continual improvement, yearning to be better, is one of the major reasons I will always stand for the flag. 
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Jeezus Tim.....this literally could be the best piece you have ever written....Big Thumbs up!

 
Also to point out from a football/contract standpoint (as some still seem confused on the issue), his money is guaranteed and has been since before the draft for 2016. He'll obviously be cut, but prob not until the end of this season. So being cut is no big deal to him, if he was during the season, there would prob be some other team giving him a 1 year deal, so he'd be double paid for the season, I'm sure he'd be okay with that. 

I don't think he has more than 2 seasons left in the NFL, then he can fade into obscurity. I posted a long time ago (last season) that he should be cut and paying him for 2016 would be foolish... This has obviously been botched in standard York/Baalke fashion and now they're paying an ####### who not only sucks, but is bad for their brand. Such bad ownership/GM.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Statistically, if we assume all NFL and NBA players currently on active rosters are black, plus 1 for Obama, you're talking about approximately 0.005384% of black Americans.
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I've got an idea..Why don't they apply for all of those construction jobs that the illegals crossing the border mange to find.. There is a dire need for craftsman in all phases..

 
fantasycurse42 said:
The best part about this is most of us who have followed him and concluded that he's a selfish piece of garbage (well before this) now watch the super libs rally around him like he's a hero bc he sits through the National Anthem (awesome reason to rally around someone lol). Although, looking at the people that are rallying around him here, it obviously gives you insight to who else would love this guy. He'd be riding a float during an Occupy Wall Street parade, so it doesn't even bother me that much, kinda deserves a laugh. 
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The really silly thing about this post is you won't find someone engaging in a protest that has gotten less support than this guy.

Where are you getting this from?

 
timschochet said:
Are blacks oppressed in the 21st century? 

They are, It's pretty clear,  the subject of systemic racism by police and the justice system. This is especially true in inner cities, and anybody who doubts it can study the Ferguson report for evidence. That being said, there are a variety of factors that explain why this is so. By refusing to stand for the flag, Kaepernick is essentially blaming the USA as a whole country for this racism, and also implying that it is deliberate. Those are unwarranted assumptions, IMO. 

Are blacks oppressed in the 21st century in other ways: economic, social advancement, culturally? These are much more difficult to judge, but despite the assertions of Donald Trump (and apparently Colin Kaepernick) I would say no.

But even if you're one of those who believe they are oppressed both by the police AND the economic system, any rational person would have to acknowledge that in all areas conditions are far better now than they were 30 years ago, and those far better than 60 years ago, and those far better than 90 years ago. One of the most remarkable aspects of this nation, which I proudly consider the greatest in the history of civilization, is that we keep getting better about this stuff. We move forward and improve our attitudes and our results, making us today a better country than we've ever been, even though we have a long way to go yet. This continual improvement, yearning to be better, is one of the major reasons I will always stand for the flag. 
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and who do you think has been running those inner cities for 60+ years?  Yeah, that's right.  Democrats. (drops mic)

 
Sconch said:
CK is a selfish POS because he is attempting to stand up for those who are not as fortunate as him?
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Not close to the case. There are plenty of avenues to spread his message. Disrespecting the National Anthem and those who fought for our freedoms is not one of them. 

He has every right to his protests, the forum he chose is just wrong.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
The best part about this is most of us who have followed him and concluded that he's a selfish piece of garbage (well before this) now watch the super libs rally around him like he's a hero bc he sits through the National Anthem (awesome reason to rally around someone lol). Although, looking at the people that are rallying around him here, it obviously gives you insight to who else would love this guy. He'd be riding a float during an Occupy Wall Street parade, so it doesn't even bother me that much, kinda deserves a laugh. 
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Who has been rallying around him here and what have they said in his defense?

 
Sconch said:
CK is a selfish POS because he is attempting to stand up for those who are not as fortunate as him?
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Ummm no, he's a selfish POS bc he hasn't been a leader for the franchise that has paid him over $1M per TD. He hasn't been a leader to the teammates around him. Instead he's caused tension in a locker room. You could go back to the football argument (roll eyes, etc.), but when you make $15M a year, there are different standards. 

This is a guy who has and has had the means to make huge differences for lots of causes, yet unlike many of his peers, he's been invisible.

But now that he's sitting down for National Anthem, people like you and others in here are rushing to his defense.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Ummm no, he's a selfish POS bc he hasn't been a leader for the franchise that has paid him over $1M per TD. He hasn't been a leader to the teammates around him. Instead he's caused tension in a locker room. You could go back to the football argument (roll eyes, etc.), but when you make $15M a year, there are different standards. 

This is a guy who has and has had the means to make huge differences for lots of causes, yet unlike many of his peers, he's been invisible.

But now that he's sitting down for National Anthem, people like you and others in here are rushing to his defense.
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For exercising his right under The Constitution of freedom of speech and be willing to face the consequences?

 
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