mr roboto
Footballguy
Wow. Yeah thats not exactly a murders row.
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QB Aaron Rodgers, NYJ (2 Viewers)
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Cam frigin Newton could throw vs the Seahawks last week and if he didn't suck so bad the Panthers could have scored into the twenties easily. I like Seattle to win but if the wind doesn't totally hamper the passing games I like Rodgers chances of putting up some points. This Seattle D is good but isn't the 00 Ravens or 85 Bears and have to play by today's NFL offensive biased rules.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Look at his numbers.How so?Seattle? San Fran?Who has Rodgers struggled against?This idea that a QB this good gets exposed is nonsense. Every QB has a coach or team he struggles against a lot. Manning has had struggles vs Belichick's Patriots. Brady has had struggles vs the Ravens. It happens to the best of them. It doesn't mean they were exposed.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Counting the playoffs, in 10 games against SF and Sea, Rodgers has 15 touchdowns passes and 4 interceptions. By his standards, that is struggling, but it's still not bad by any means.
flapgreen
Footballguy
One of the guys who gets it. I can't imagine any of the Seahawks will buy into that nonsense.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
mr roboto
Footballguy
I was referring specifically to the QBs they played since week 7...you know...the actual point of the article quoted. Surely you don't think they faced study signal callers the second half of the season. Coincidentally when their secondary started dominating.WEEK QB SEASON QBR
7 Austin Davis STL 37.6
8 Cam Newton CAR 56.9
9 Derek Carr OAK 38.4
10 Eli Manning NYG 70.9
11 Alex Smith KC 49.4
12 Drew Stanton ARI 58.0
13 Colin Kaepernick SF 55.9
14 Mark Sanchez PHI 58.2
15 Kaepernick SF 55.9
16 Ryan Lindley ARI 37.8
17 Shaun Hill STL 38.1
Div Newton CAR 56.9
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Yea, SoS is misleading here...teams like ARZ/PHI clearly way outperformed their skill level and/or had starters winning games early in the season and were relying on backups against SEA.
I think looking at aggregate QBR throughout the year is a better indication of how hard a schedule might have been.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
M-V-P!
M-V-P!
M-V-P!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Indeed. And he'd be playing tomorrow if Bostick had his hands screwed on the right way.
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General Tso
Guest
Well deserved MVP. He was clearly the best player in the league this year.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah, "3rd-string TE" is key. The 2nd-stringer makes that play easily.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I feel pretty comfortable blaming that one person for the loss. 
Not only did he drop a can of corn, but he wasn't supposed to touch it in the first place.
Not only did he drop a can of corn, but he wasn't supposed to touch it in the first place.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If Bostick does his job, Rodgers did enough to win.
The packers defense did enough to win.
Rodgers led offense had 1 TD on incredibly short fields, but he should take no blame?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Seattle is playing in the Super Bowl. Congratulations and I hope they go and win it. But don't act like you didn't catch an enormous break.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You keep bringing up Rodgers. Did he or did he not do enough to win the game had Bostick not royally screwed up?proninja said:
Run It Up
Footballguy
I feel like he personally left some points on the table.
But his team definitely let him down.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
1 of them wasn't really an INT, as the refs botched an offsides call. Thus why Rodgers threw it up for grabs. Sherman made a great play, but it was a penalty. Rodgers doesn't throw that ball typically....oh yeah, unless there is a free play.proninja said:Rodgers had twice as many turnoversI feel pretty comfortable blaming that one person for the loss.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Rodgers made a poor throw to Nelson in the end zone.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
Rogers is deserving mvp for "New York Bozo" alone. Best null audible ever!
sho nuff
Footballguy
Again people...no one person to blame for the game.
It should not have come down to an onsides kick.
Haha could play the 2 point conversion better.
Rodgers could have played better.
Defense could have stopped them on 3rd and long.
Fake FG.
And on and on and on.
Very cool that the top 3 nominees had Wisconsin connections (Romo, Watt, and Rodgers).
And no offense to the Seahawks...but some idiot voted for Bobby Wagner? This isn't about Rodgers...if you are voting for a defensive player, how do you vote anyone over Watt?
It should not have come down to an onsides kick.
Haha could play the 2 point conversion better.
Rodgers could have played better.
Defense could have stopped them on 3rd and long.
Fake FG.
And on and on and on.
Very cool that the top 3 nominees had Wisconsin connections (Romo, Watt, and Rodgers).
And no offense to the Seahawks...but some idiot voted for Bobby Wagner? This isn't about Rodgers...if you are voting for a defensive player, how do you vote anyone over Watt?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I believe that was Dungy who voted for Wagner.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
But that does not absolve them individually from blame. In the offseason they don't say "We got a DUI or We won the MVP." Players should be held accountable individually for their own parts in this epic collapse. Bostick being the least valuable player on the roster needs to go. He contributed nothing to the season at all despite tons of uncertainty at TE. He then monumentally failed. To say "no biggie, team game, they all have to get better" is just silly.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I can't help but agree more. I find it shocking that a guy like Wagner gets a vote--while Antonio Brown gets no love. Heck--I would have rather seen Leveon get a vote before Wagner.proninja said:Oh, and as great as Wagner is, voting him for MVP is not smart.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Oh I agree McCarthy is the most to blame. Doesn't mean Bostick doesn't deserve blame as well.
Old Smiley
Footballguy
I can see Dungy doing it to make a point, though. Things work when he's in and don't work so well when he's out. Same way you might cast a vote for Gronk.proninja said:Oh, and as great as Wagner is, voting him for MVP is not smart.
I don't know if that's how voting should work or not...
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Dingy hates white people.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Right?
spider321
Footballguy
No.
No doubt Rodgers is great, but almost every rule today is designed to make passing easy.
In the not too distant past, DB's were allowed to actually play defense on the receivers.
Every ball Montana and Young threw to Jerry Rice would have been a TD if they had played with the modern rules.
No doubt Rodgers is great, but almost every rule today is designed to make passing easy.
In the not too distant past, DB's were allowed to actually play defense on the receivers.
Every ball Montana and Young threw to Jerry Rice would have been a TD if they had played with the modern rules.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Rodgers is the best QB in NFL history, and comparisons won't even be close by the time his career is over.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
No, penalties are still called pretty much the same there have only been slight changes, but athleticism today is much greater than it was even 20 years ago. Also, even if you think penalties are stricter today, that doesn't mean they would have been TD's in the old days. Every DB will purposefully get an interference call today to prevent a TD, then some fullback scrub vultures a TD instead.
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spider321
Footballguy
spider321
Footballguy
GreenNGold
Footballguy
spider321
Footballguy
He's great. No doubt about that.Why do you hate the truth?
One day he may become what you have already anointed him.
In the meantime, please take off your green and gold glasses.
spider321
Footballguy
Even edited, this keyboard vomit makes no sense.
...and SLIGHT changes?! Did you start watching football yesterday?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I also believe that by the time he retires, he'll be regarded as the best QB who ever played. Pretty sure I'm not a Packers fan.He's great. No doubt about that.Why do you hate the truth?
One day he may become what you have already anointed him.
In the meantime, please take off your green and gold glasses.
spider321
Footballguy
Yes, there will be many people who don't remember Montana, Marino, Manning, etc.I also believe that by the time he retires, he'll be regarded as the best QB who ever played. Pretty sure I'm not a Packers fan.He's great. No doubt about that.Why do you hate the truth?
One day he may become what you have already anointed him.
In the meantime, please take off your green and gold glasses.
...just like 20 years after Rodgers retires, he will be forgotten by the fans of the future 2-hand tag NFL.
That still will not make it true.
I'm not against the guy. MAYBE he will become the best ever, but it's stupid how quickly everyone forgets how great others were.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I don't forget anything. I respect all of the greats I watched. Saying Rodgers will be the best-of-the-best isn't a knock on anyone else.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I don't think it's specifically sitting behind Favre that helped--he was notoriously unhelpful towards Rodgers--I think it's just the fact that he was able to sit for years, period. He was talented but needed serious refinement. As people have already mentioned, he's a totally different guy now compared to his Cal days, from his footwork up to his throwing motion.
Sitting a 1st round QB is largely impractical in today's NFL, all highly talented or drafted QB's are expected to start pretty early, if not immediately.
Unless you're truly talking about a developmental QB sitting behind an unquestioned starter with a stable coaching staff. Aaron Rodgers had three years to alter his muscle memory and make the new mechanics the norm for his body. He also obviously mastered the mental game in those three years which lead to him thinking less while on the field, always a positive where ingrained, repetitive physical motions in athletics are concerned.
Sitting a 1st round QB is largely impractical in today's NFL, all highly talented or drafted QB's are expected to start pretty early, if not immediately.
Unless you're truly talking about a developmental QB sitting behind an unquestioned starter with a stable coaching staff. Aaron Rodgers had three years to alter his muscle memory and make the new mechanics the norm for his body. He also obviously mastered the mental game in those three years which lead to him thinking less while on the field, always a positive where ingrained, repetitive physical motions in athletics are concerned.
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