QB Aaron Rodgers, PIT (5 Viewers)

[sm8680]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

Joe I was hoping for Justin for he made some progress this past season in his progressions and release time. However, when he was benched and wasn't signed prior to free agency a few weeks ago. I knew he was gone. Sam Darnold I was iffy on. But Seattle swooped in faster than a Seattle rainstorm. Seattle trades their starter for a draft pick then grabs Sam faster than Deshaun grabs booty. Seemed so unfair.

Joe Milton is intriguing. I forget who it was in FG. But someone posted his highlights against a depleted Bills team, and I came away impressed. There has to be a backup on someones roster who's ready to take the next step. Doesn't have to be someone like Favre when he was a Falcon.

Steelers are kind of a cheap organization. I'm with massraider the thought is that the Steelers want him on the cheap. Kurt Cousins the master contract negotiator. He's coming off an injury. Steelers will never go for him.

The not so nice guy in me wants Aaron for he got Robert fired and potentially could get Mike Tomlin to move on.

Thanks. You want Tomlin gone?

I'll answer your question with a question. If Jeff Laurie owned the Steelers and Howie Roseman was the GM. Do you think that Mike would have lasted 18 seasons.

 

[massraider]

Giants signed Russell. Winston, Wilson and Fields in NYC.

OY VEY

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

Joe I was hoping for Justin for he made some progress this past season in his progressions and release time. However, when he was benched and wasn't signed prior to free agency a few weeks ago. I knew he was gone. Sam Darnold I was iffy on. But Seattle swooped in faster than a Seattle rainstorm. Seattle trades their starter for a draft pick then grabs Sam faster than Deshaun grabs booty. Seemed so unfair.

Joe Milton is intriguing. I forget who it was in FG. But someone posted his highlights against a depleted Bills team, and I came away impressed. There has to be a backup on someones roster who's ready to take the next step. Doesn't have to be someone like Favre when he was a Falcon.

Steelers are kind of a cheap organization. I'm with massraider the thought is that the Steelers want him on the cheap. Kurt Cousins the master contract negotiator. He's coming off an injury. Steelers will never go for him.

The not so nice guy in me wants Aaron for he got Robert fired and potentially could get Mike Tomlin to move on.

Thanks. You want Tomlin gone?

I'll answer your question with a question. If Jeff Laurie owned the Steelers and Howie Roseman was the GM. Do you think that Mike would have lasted 18 seasons.

Yes.

Do you want Tomlin gone?

 

[Donnybrook]

Don't really care what Garafolo says.

Cool. We'll disagree there but as I do care what someone as connected as Garafolo says.

And I too think they very well may wind up drafting a QB early. Garafolo would say the same I'd expect.

I man enough to admit that I was wrong. I guess the Giants weren't finished in free agency.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Don't really care what Garafolo says.

Cool. We'll disagree there but as I do care what someone as connected as Garafolo says.

And I too think they very well may wind up drafting a QB early. Garafolo would say the same I'd expect.

I man enough to admit that I was wrong. I guess the Giants weren't finished in free agency.

No worries, GB. We're all guessing on this.

 

[sm8680]

Russell Wilson

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

Joe I was hoping for Justin for he made some progress this past season in his progressions and release time. However, when he was benched and wasn't signed prior to free agency a few weeks ago. I knew he was gone. Sam Darnold I was iffy on. But Seattle swooped in faster than a Seattle rainstorm. Seattle trades their starter for a draft pick then grabs Sam faster than Deshaun grabs booty. Seemed so unfair.

Joe Milton is intriguing. I forget who it was in FG. But someone posted his highlights against a depleted Bills team, and I came away impressed. There has to be a backup on someones roster who's ready to take the next step. Doesn't have to be someone like Favre when he was a Falcon.

Steelers are kind of a cheap organization. I'm with massraider the thought is that the Steelers want him on the cheap. Kurt Cousins the master contract negotiator. He's coming off an injury. Steelers will never go for him.

The not so nice guy in me wants Aaron for he got Robert fired and potentially could get Mike Tomlin to move on.

Thanks. You want Tomlin gone?

I'll answer your question with a question. If Jeff Laurie owned the Steelers and Howie Roseman was the GM. Do you think that Mike would have lasted 18 seasons.

Yes.

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I'll stand by it until my last day: Mike Tomlin's Super Bowl win came courtesy of Bill Cowher's players and coaching staff. Once Cowher’s team of coaches departed, the cracks started to show. The Steelers have developed a reputation for playing ‘dino ball a hyper-conservative offense designed to keep games close but rarely take real risks. It’s been eight long years since they’ve won a playoff game, and Mike Tomlin remains at the helm. The only person who seems to tolerate this stretch of mediocrity is Art Rooney II because who else would stick with someone who hasn't delivered results?

The super ultra nice guy in me honestly felt that bringing back Justin had the potential to silence Mike Tomlin's naysayers.

 

[BassNBrew]

It is difficult to compare an older game manager who gets by on decision making verse a young athletic QB who can make more throws but might make worse decisions.

It is also difficult it is to judge any jets player. Typically players look worse when playing for the jets when compared to their time on other teams.

However, Rodgers is old and had major injury two seasons ago. Neither Big Ben nor Manning improved their 2nd year after their late career injuries, rather that was a start of a downward spiral. Is Rodger's achilles issue going to effect him more in year 2 than in year 1?

I think anywhere in the 12-26 range is fair.

12?

If he has that ptoential he would have been signed weeks ago.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Russell Wilson

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

Joe I was hoping for Justin for he made some progress this past season in his progressions and release time. However, when he was benched and wasn't signed prior to free agency a few weeks ago. I knew he was gone. Sam Darnold I was iffy on. But Seattle swooped in faster than a Seattle rainstorm. Seattle trades their starter for a draft pick then grabs Sam faster than Deshaun grabs booty. Seemed so unfair.

Joe Milton is intriguing. I forget who it was in FG. But someone posted his highlights against a depleted Bills team, and I came away impressed. There has to be a backup on someones roster who's ready to take the next step. Doesn't have to be someone like Favre when he was a Falcon.

Steelers are kind of a cheap organization. I'm with massraider the thought is that the Steelers want him on the cheap. Kurt Cousins the master contract negotiator. He's coming off an injury. Steelers will never go for him.

The not so nice guy in me wants Aaron for he got Robert fired and potentially could get Mike Tomlin to move on.

Thanks. You want Tomlin gone?

I'll answer your question with a question. If Jeff Laurie owned the Steelers and Howie Roseman was the GM. Do you think that Mike would have lasted 18 seasons.

Yes.

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I'll stand by it until my last day: Mike Tomlin's Super Bowl win came courtesy of Bill Cowher's players and coaching staff. Once Cowher’s team of coaches departed, the cracks started to show. The Steelers have developed a reputation for playing ‘dino ball a hyper-conservative offense designed to keep games close but rarely take real risks. It’s been eight long years since they’ve won a playoff game, and Mike Tomlin remains at the helm. The only person who seems to tolerate this stretch of mediocrity is Art Rooney II because who else would stick with someone who hasn't delivered results?

The super ultra nice guy in me honestly felt that bringing back Justin had the potential to silence Mike Tomlin's naysayers.

Thanks. Do you want Tomlin gone?

 

[rockaction]

12?

If he has that ptoential he would have been signed weeks ago.

No no no.

You don't get it. He decides when he signs. On his time. Not with only a few desperate suitors. But his time. Which means skipping OTAs. And maybe minicamp. And then maybe complaining that he doesn't have the right timing with his receivers because they can't figure out his hand signals.

He's signing with Pittsburgh. No way he lets that last Jets year be the way he goes out.

One thing I will say is that if they can get him in George in the same notebook (they are never going to be on the same page), that back shoulder throw that everyone knows is coming will still be difficult to defend because ol' George can pick 'em. I think he's better than Russ so Steelers fans should take heart, but I'm not sure he makes the Steelers that much better than Russ did. It's negligible.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I still think the Vikings make the most sense for Rodgers but don’t claim to understand the money part. He would be an upgrade from Darnold assuming he could work with OKC. I can’t imagine they’re going to trust a first year guy with that team. I have to admit I watched very little of Rodgers last season so maybe don’t appreciate the decline people are seeing.

 

[rockaction]

so maybe don’t appreciate the decline people are seeing.

I'll laugh at Minnesota if they sign him when they've got a guy on a rookie contract that needs to be introduced at some point. I mean, if you believe in the guy, you take your lumps. If they think they're ready for the Super Bowl now, they should have traded McCarthy for a good, expensive vet or something like that (even though stuff like that never happens in the NFL), but signing Rodgers doesn't bring you any closer to a Super Bowl. He's old and fragile with new accuracy issues and mind-bogglingly bad throws to open guys at times.

Plus, McCarthy's salary is what allowed them to sign all the guys they signed in free agency. Rodgers is going to want money. Where does it come from and do you put yourself up against the cap for a 41 year-old QB?

It's not pretty if they do that. I still can't believe people can watch him and come away thinking he's going to take a team on a deep run in the playoffs. He's just wasn't at that point physically last year. It was a breath of fresh air for the Jets given that we've lived the past four years with Zach Wilson, Mike White, Tim Boyle, Trevor Siemien, etc. But it wasn't good. The only possibility I can see teams thinking is that Rodgers comes back stronger his second year on his achilles, but does that really seem likely?

 

[osubuckeyeman]

It would be hilarious if Rodgers now tried to hold the Steelers hostage, and Pittsburgh went another direction if the Browns and Giants pass on Sanders. The fall could be on for Sanders. The Browns or any other team could jump back late to get Sanders if he falls past the Saints. I suppose he might have to get further down to make it affordable. I would love it if Rodgers were left out. I do not think that will happen, but that would be interesting to see. Maybe he would retire. The Steelers could make a play for Sanders if he got past the Saints.

 

[rockaction]

It would be hilarious if Rodgers now tried to hold the Steelers hostage, and Pittsburgh went another direction if the Browns and Giants pass on Sanders. The fall could be on for Sanders. The Browns or any other team could jump back late to get Sanders if he falls past the Saints. I suppose he might have to get further down to make it affordable. I would love it if Rodgers were left out. I do not think that will happen, but that would be interesting to see. Maybe he would retire. The Steelers could make a play for Sanders if he got past the Saints.

I don't think Sanders falls at all in this draft for some reason. But it is lying season, so who knows?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

ARod and Joe Flacco are really the only two free agents left in the pool that have an ability to start. The longer this draws out, the more I'm convinced that the Steelers have a QB in mind outside of the first round like a Will Howard or a Jaxon Dart.

 

[rockaction]

The longer this draws out, the more I'm convinced that the Steelers have a QB in mind outside of the first round like a Will Howard or a Jaxon Dart.

I see your logic, but the problem with it is that the Steelers can't count on those guys being there when they want to take them outside of the first round. For all we know, the Jets could watch Shedeur Sanders and Cam Ward go off of the board and say, "Huh. We'll take Dart in the first," and then the guy you want is gone and you're stuck holding the bag furreal. I mean, once you're in the second round you're taking a chance that they're there (and only a chance), and once you're out of the second round all bets are totally off. Anybody but a select few teams could take a developmental QB or a back-up.

I'm not convinced at all that they think that, and if they do, they are setting themselves up for a hurting. What if the top four guys all go before they're even close to picking? Say Ward to Tennessee, Sanders to the Giants, Dart to the Jets, and the next in line to the Saints—say Milroe as a developmental pick with Carr there for the next year. Then you're stuck with Shough or McCord, or somebody like that. Now, that's not likely to happen, but it could, and the Steelers wouldn't have gotten a chance to even approach the podium.

It's just a long way of saying you can't take anything for granted when it comes to QBs falling in the draft to you outside of the first.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

ARod and Joe Flacco are really the only two free agents left in the pool that have an ability to start. The longer this draws out, the more I'm convinced that the Steelers have a QB in mind outside of the first round like a Will Howard or a Jaxon Dart.

I can see that. But I think the Kenny Pickett experience maybe has them thinking about a more known and established player.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

The longer this draws out, the more I'm convinced that the Steelers have a QB in mind outside of the first round like a Will Howard or a Jaxon Dart.

I see your logic, but the problem with it is that the Steelers can't count on those guys being there when they want to take them outside of the first round. For all we know, the Jets could watch Shedeur Sanders and Cam Ward go off of the board and say, "Huh. We'll take Dart in the first," and then the guy you want is gone and you're stuck holding the bag furreal. I mean, once you're in the second round you're taking a chance that they're there (and only a chance), and once you're out of the second round all bets are totally off. Anybody but a select few teams could take a developmental QB or a back-up.

I'm not convinced at all that they think that, and if they do, they are setting themselves up for a hurting. What if the top four guys all go before they're even close to picking? Say Ward to Tennessee, Sanders to the Giants, Dart to the Jets, and the next in line to the Saints—say Milroe as a developmental pick with Carr there for the next year. Then you're stuck with Shough or McCord, or somebody like that. Now, that's not likely to happen, but it could, and the Steelers wouldn't have gotten a chance to even approach the podium.

It's just a long way of saying you can't take anything for granted when it comes to QBs falling in the draft to you outside of the first.

[BOLDED] is why GMs make the big bucks. They have to have a pretty solid idea of what's gonna go down in the draft AND be able to pivot if things go weirdly. My guess (again) as a non-Steelers fan is that they are ok with Mason Rudolph as a bridge until next year unless they can land their guy in the 2nd. Rudolph is a known quantity in the building (low ceiling, moderate floor). I don't expect to see the Steelers trade up (it's happened like 3? times in the last 30 years) in the 1st and the capital required to get into a reasonable spot to draft Sanders is more than they'd be willing to pay (IMO). I think it's been pretty solidly proven that the Steelers prefer taking BPA in the 1st and I'd expect them to stand put and do the same.

 

[Anarchy99]

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I am hardly a Steelers fan. I don't typically watch them or follow them. That being said, here are the total playoff wins for all teams over the past 8 seasons.

17 - KC
10 - PHI
8 - LAR, SF
7 - BUF
6 - TB
5 - CIN, NE
3 - BAL, GB, HOU, JAC, NO, TEN
2 - DAL, DET, MIN, WAS
1 - ATL, CLE, IND, LAC, NYG, SEA
0 - ARI, CAR, CHI, DEN, LV, MIA, NYJ, PIT

Tomlin is now one of 5 head coaches to go at least 8 years without a playoff win and retain his job.

- Paul Brown (8 seasons . . . then retired from coaching but was not fired)
- Don Shula (8 seasons . . . won 3 playoff games the following season and then coached another 13 years)
- Jim Mora (11 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with NO (also did not win a playoff game in 4 seasons with IND))
- Marvin Lewis (16 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with CIN)

As an outsider, it seems like Tomlin frequently pulls a rabbit out of a hat to get the Steelers into the playoffs, but they haven't really been a serious contender in a long time. Which is better (or worse)? Making the playoffs and then going one and done every year? Or not going to the playoffs for years and then winning a game or two? I don't think there is another coach in the league that could go 8 years without a playoff win and still have a job. Steelers fans can chime in as to whether they would rather have someone else on the sidelines.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

It's not just the "one and done" stuff...it's getting obliterated in most of the playoff games they've managed to get themselves into over the past 8 years (usually by the end of the first half).

Look, we all pretty much can agree Tomlin is a lock HoF coach, is still reportedly beloved by many of his players, and gets a ton of respect based on his rep as a "winner." However, he (and his on-the-field philosophy particularly on offense) has been stale as hell for the better part of a decade now.

When he still had Ben (even "End Stage Ben"), who would go off-script whenever he felt like it, it was disguised more than many people realized. No so with the likes of Rudolph, Trubisky, Pickett, Wilson, Fields, et al. Couple that with his "vaunted" defenses consistently showing massive cracks in many recent seaosns (run defense has been pretty lousy, comparatively, for 4-5 seasons now)....and you get what you've seen in Pittsburgh now.

Consistently getting to 9 wins keeps them from truly fixing their underlying issues, primarily at the QB position. They did not plan well for Ben's retirement, made a reactionary move with Pickett because of it, and are still feeling the effects of their failure to plan. Tomlin's still a great motivator (reportedly), but he's never been a great Xs/Os "in-game field marshall" type, he seems to have little desire to delegate, like, anything (He's given a large, LARGE voice in player personnel decisions. He's the de facto DC, etc, etc), and seems to get defensive if his methods are even remotely questioned.

Would I welcome a change to someone else? I'm not sure about that, but I can't say it woudn't possibly be better for all parties involved. I certainly think/wish he would loosen the grip on the wheel and bring in some legit assistants to focus on certain aspects that he isn't good at (QB coaches, OL coaches, perhaps a more vocal/assertive DC).

Mike (and ownership) have become the epitome of the "keep trying the same thing, expecting different results." If pressed, I'd probably be okay with Tomlin going elsewhere, fully understanding it would signal a massive change in philosophy by their ownership...which is why I doubt there is even a scrap of a chance of it happening until Mike is ready to move on under his own volition.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I think he's better than Russ so Steelers fans should take heart, but I'm not sure he makes the Steelers that much better than Russ did. It's negligible.

Doubtful. I think at this stage, they're basically "the same guy" when it comes to what they can do for you on the field.

He'll get them to 9 ugly wins because Tomlin always manages to get to 9 ugly wins. Fields would have likely gotten them to 9 ugly wins. Wilson would have likely gotten them to 9 ugly wins. Mason Rudolph would probably get them to 7-9 ugly wins. "We have seen this movie before."

If they go with A-A-ron (and it seems almost certain they will be doing that) they'll most likely be starting this identical merry-go-round all over again next offseason.

 

[eighsse2]

This all brings up an interesting debate topic. Why would anyone -- coach, player, or entire team -- be good in regular season games and bad in playoffs, or vice versa?

 

[Anarchy99]

This all brings up an interesting debate topic. Why would anyone -- coach, player, or entire team -- be good in regular season games and bad in playoffs, or vice versa?

Most likely because teams can play multiple inferior teams and get layups throughout the regular season. By the time the post season rolls around, the remaining teams usually are relatively strong. This year, half of PIT's wins came against bottom feeder teams. There's likely more to it than that, but that's the first thing that jumped out at me.

 

[-OZ-]

This all brings up an interesting debate topic. Why would anyone -- coach, player, or entire team -- be good in regular season games and bad in playoffs, or vice versa?

90% answer - luck

 

[menobrown]

This all brings up an interesting debate topic. Why would anyone -- coach, player, or entire team -- be good in regular season games and bad in playoffs, or vice versa?

Most likely because teams can play multiple inferior teams and get layups throughout the regular season. By the time the post season rolls around, the remaining teams usually are relatively strong. This year, half of PIT's wins came against bottom feeder teams. There's likely more to it than that, but that's the first thing that jumped out at me.

Regarding the schedule that's actually one valid excuse IMO for the Steelers collapse THIS year.

That schedule the last 9 games of the year would have taken the sails out of a lot of teams.

To eighsse's question I assume some of it is injury luck of the draw but when it's consistent like it is with a team like the Steelers I can't help but feel like it's a lack of coaching adjustments, getting outcoached.

 

[pghrob]

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I am hardly a Steelers fan. I don't typically watch them or follow them. That being said, here are the total playoff wins for all teams over the past 8 seasons.

17 - KC
10 - PHI
8 - LAR, SF
7 - BUF
6 - TB
5 - CIN, NE
3 - BAL, GB, HOU, JAC, NO, TEN
2 - DAL, DET, MIN, WAS
1 - ATL, CLE, IND, LAC, NYG, SEA
0 - ARI, CAR, CHI, DEN, LV, MIA, NYJ, PIT

Tomlin is now one of 5 head coaches to go at least 8 years without a playoff win and retain his job.

- Paul Brown (8 seasons . . . then retired from coaching but was not fired)
- Don Shula (8 seasons . . . won 3 playoff games the following season and then coached another 13 years)
- Jim Mora (11 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with NO (also did not win a playoff game in 4 seasons with IND))
- Marvin Lewis (16 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with CIN)

As an outsider, it seems like Tomlin frequently pulls a rabbit out of a hat to get the Steelers into the playoffs, but they haven't really been a serious contender in a long time. Which is better (or worse)? Making the playoffs and then going one and done every year? Or not going to the playoffs for years and then winning a game or two? I don't think there is another coach in the league that could go 8 years without a playoff win and still have a job. Steelers fans can chime in as to whether they would rather have someone else on the sidelines.

Excellent post.

 

[eighsse2]

This all brings up an interesting debate topic. Why would anyone -- coach, player, or entire team -- be good in regular season games and bad in playoffs, or vice versa?

90% answer - luck

Yeah this is what I always assumed years ago. Still think that is largely the answer. But things like my Bengals under Lewis (especially with Dalton), compared to suddenly 5 wins in 2 playoff appearances with Taylor/Burrow. And now Tomlin's Steelers, after all the playoff success with Cowher/Roethlisberger. Really makes me wonder.

 

[pghrob]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

ARod and Joe Flacco are really the only two free agents left in the pool that have an ability to start. The longer this draws out, the more I'm convinced that the Steelers have a QB in mind outside of the first round like a Will Howard or a Jaxon Dart.

I can see that. But I think the Kenny Pickett experience maybe has them thinking about a more known and established player.

The Steelers will look to draft a franchise QB next year in the first round. Maybe they kick the tires in 4th round or later this year on a prospect QB who can be a backup project and challenge Skyler. If QB1 isn't Roger's, they'll go for Flacco or roll with Rudolph and someone like Jacoby Brissett or Gardner Minshew.

 

[pghrob]

Let's not forget that the Jets, a team that needed a QB and has a pretty good defense decided that they didn't want him to be their QB anymore

Yes. But I think a lot of that had to do with a rookie defensive minded head coach.

It's the reason why I think he'd be a much better fit in Pittsburgh with an established veteran like Tomlin.

Joe Bryant, the mensch of Footballguys. I keep telling myself, 'Man, Joe’s such a likable guy!' It makes me wonder, though... Is there a secret offshore fund paying him to flood the forums with Aaron Rodgers posts? And, more importantly, is there a way to bribe him to stop tying Rodgers to the Steelers? Pittsburgh doesn't need a QB who's older than the fossils in the Natural History Museum. We're good, Joe. Promise.

Thanks @sm8680 !

No offshore fund. I just like the Steelers and I'm one of the few people in the world it seems who thinks Rodgers can still play and I think it'd be fun to see him in that culture with a veteran like Tomlin and those weapons. But we'll see.

What would you prefer the Steelers do at QB?

ARod and Joe Flacco are really the only two free agents left in the pool that have an ability to start. The longer this draws out, the more I'm convinced that the Steelers have a QB in mind outside of the first round like a Will Howard or a Jaxon Dart.

I can see that. But I think the Kenny Pickett experience maybe has them thinking about a more known and established player.

The Steelers will look to draft a franchise QB next year in the first round. Maybe they kick the tires in 4th round or later this year on a prospect QB who can be a backup project and challenge Skyler. If QB1 isn't Roger's, they'll go for Flacco or roll with Rudolph and someone like Jacoby Brissett or Gardner Minshew.

I am full of beeswax. Minshew with Chiefs. But it will be a journeyman if Rogers or Flacco are not the QB1.

 

[-OZ-]

This all brings up an interesting debate topic. Why would anyone -- coach, player, or entire team -- be good in regular season games and bad in playoffs, or vice versa?

90% answer - luck

Yeah this is what I always assumed years ago. Still think that is largely the answer. But things like my Bengals under Lewis (especially with Dalton), compared to suddenly 5 wins in 2 playoff appearances with Taylor/Burrow. And now Tomlin's Steelers, after all the playoff success with Cowher/Roethlisberger. Really makes me wonder.

Which isn’t to say there isn’t value in rising to the occasion, performing under extra pressure, etc. or more value to depth during the regular season. But a lot of sports history comes down to an inch here or there, a misstep, etc.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I am hardly a Steelers fan. I don't typically watch them or follow them. That being said, here are the total playoff wins for all teams over the past 8 seasons.

17 - KC
10 - PHI
8 - LAR, SF
7 - BUF
6 - TB
5 - CIN, NE
3 - BAL, GB, HOU, JAC, NO, TEN
2 - DAL, DET, MIN, WAS
1 - ATL, CLE, IND, LAC, NYG, SEA
0 - ARI, CAR, CHI, DEN, LV, MIA, NYJ, PIT

Tomlin is now one of 5 head coaches to go at least 8 years without a playoff win and retain his job.

- Paul Brown (8 seasons . . . then retired from coaching but was not fired)
- Don Shula (8 seasons . . . won 3 playoff games the following season and then coached another 13 years)
- Jim Mora (11 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with NO (also did not win a playoff game in 4 seasons with IND))
- Marvin Lewis (16 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with CIN)

As an outsider, it seems like Tomlin frequently pulls a rabbit out of a hat to get the Steelers into the playoffs, but they haven't really been a serious contender in a long time. Which is better (or worse)? Making the playoffs and then going one and done every year? Or not going to the playoffs for years and then winning a game or two? I don't think there is another coach in the league that could go 8 years without a playoff win and still have a job. Steelers fans can chime in as to whether they would rather have someone else on the sidelines.

Excellent post.

Same question as @sm8680 Maybe you can answer.

Would you like to see Tomlin gone?

 

[Donnybrook]

Vikings are waiting on backup QB to avoid losing the compensation pick in 2026. (at least that is the theory). Free agent signings after the draft don't count in the comp formula.

Is Pittsburgh doing the same thing? Or is the ball in AR's court?

 

[sm8680]

Come on, guys. That late-season schedule could have derailed plenty of teams, not just ours. The Steelers were supposed to have an elite defense, but let’s face it that defense crumbled under pressure and completely cratered. It's not getting any younger either. To make matters worse, we’ve lost some key players to other teams this offseason. Think what you will, but I’m not feeling too optimistic about 2025. Russell looked horrible over those last 5 games.

 

[sm8680]

Joe, it’s not about what I want it's about reality. Mike Tomlin’s job security is so solid, it makes Fort Knox look like a leaky shed. The Steelers firing him? That’d be like Pittsburgh switching to decaf just not happening in this lifetime. Mike T is like the Visual Basic application that’s been around since the prehistoric days of the site reliable, timeless, and always indispensable.

 

[pghrob]

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I am hardly a Steelers fan. I don't typically watch them or follow them. That being said, here are the total playoff wins for all teams over the past 8 seasons.

17 - KC
10 - PHI
8 - LAR, SF
7 - BUF
6 - TB
5 - CIN, NE
3 - BAL, GB, HOU, JAC, NO, TEN
2 - DAL, DET, MIN, WAS
1 - ATL, CLE, IND, LAC, NYG, SEA
0 - ARI, CAR, CHI, DEN, LV, MIA, NYJ, PIT

Tomlin is now one of 5 head coaches to go at least 8 years without a playoff win and retain his job.

- Paul Brown (8 seasons . . . then retired from coaching but was not fired)
- Don Shula (8 seasons . . . won 3 playoff games the following season and then coached another 13 years)
- Jim Mora (11 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with NO (also did not win a playoff game in 4 seasons with IND))
- Marvin Lewis (16 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with CIN)

As an outsider, it seems like Tomlin frequently pulls a rabbit out of a hat to get the Steelers into the playoffs, but they haven't really been a serious contender in a long time. Which is better (or worse)? Making the playoffs and then going one and done every year? Or not going to the playoffs for years and then winning a game or two? I don't think there is another coach in the league that could go 8 years without a playoff win and still have a job. Steelers fans can chime in as to whether they would rather have someone else on the sidelines.

Excellent post.

Same question as @sm8680 Maybe you can answer.

Would you like to see Tomlin gone?

Thank you for asking.

Yes. Coach Tomlin has failed to perform at leading his teams to compete in the post season to win championships.

Numerous tactical and strategical and personnel changes at front office and coaching and player and support levels have NOT yielded positive results that reflect championship caliber play.

Coach Tomlin is pretty much the lone consistent variable in this 14 year equation, besides ARII.

Time for a new direction.

Andy Reid stagnation in Philadelphia is the precedent for him and the Eagles.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

This all brings up an interesting debate topic. Why would anyone -- coach, player, or entire team -- be good in regular season games and bad in playoffs, or vice versa?

I don't know about vice versa but the first answer is simple. People talk about SOS all year but forget about playing the best of the best in the playoffs. Of course most players are going to have a worse playoff record than regular season record, it only makes sense.

 

[daveR]

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I am hardly a Steelers fan. I don't typically watch them or follow them. That being said, here are the total playoff wins for all teams over the past 8 seasons.

17 - KC
10 - PHI
8 - LAR, SF
7 - BUF
6 - TB
5 - CIN, NE
3 - BAL, GB, HOU, JAC, NO, TEN
2 - DAL, DET, MIN, WAS
1 - ATL, CLE, IND, LAC, NYG, SEA
0 - ARI, CAR, CHI, DEN, LV, MIA, NYJ, PIT

Tomlin is now one of 5 head coaches to go at least 8 years without a playoff win and retain his job.

- Paul Brown (8 seasons . . . then retired from coaching but was not fired)
- Don Shula (8 seasons . . . won 3 playoff games the following season and then coached another 13 years)
- Jim Mora (11 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with NO (also did not win a playoff game in 4 seasons with IND))
- Marvin Lewis (16 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with CIN)

As an outsider, it seems like Tomlin frequently pulls a rabbit out of a hat to get the Steelers into the playoffs, but they haven't really been a serious contender in a long time. Which is better (or worse)? Making the playoffs and then going one and done every year? Or not going to the playoffs for years and then winning a game or two? I don't think there is another coach in the league that could go 8 years without a playoff win and still have a job. Steelers fans can chime in as to whether they would rather have someone else on the sidelines.

Excellent post.

Same question as @sm8680 Maybe you can answer.

Would you like to see Tomlin gone?

Steelers fans are nuts! The guy makes chicken salad out of chicken **** every year! Don't believe me? Compare the talent on your team, position by position, to my 3-14 Browns!

 

[eighsse2]

This all brings up an interesting debate topic. Why would anyone -- coach, player, or entire team -- be good in regular season games and bad in playoffs, or vice versa?

I don't know about vice versa but the first answer is simple. People talk about SOS all year but forget about playing the best of the best in the playoffs. Of course most players are going to have a worse playoff record than regular season record, it only makes sense.

As to the vice versa part, yeah, you actually almost never get to see vice versa. Because teams that are really bad are never in the playoffs, so we never get to see them even try. Who knows how many bottom quartile teams might have made it to or even won superbowls if you just plugged one into the playoffs randomly every year.

But yeah, the SOS thing definitely makes sense, but only if the team in question did in fact have a weak strength of schedule. Not an inherent thing that applies to every team with a good record and a quick out in the playoffs.

 

[nittanylion]

If I was a woman, I'd take 'Always a bridesmaid' over 'Never a bride' 11 times out of 10.

If you're on the guest list of the event of the season every year, where you just might get extra lucky, and close the deal unexpectedly, well, that sets up for a helluva ride, and sure beats sitting at home...

ETA: this pertains to the recent posts regarding the Steelers and their unique and passionate fan base, moreso than Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Joe, it’s not about what I want it's about reality.

Of course it's about what we want. We're fans. Talking about what we want is what we do here!

Would you prefer the Steelers move on from Tomlin now?

Sorry to keep asking but it's fascinating you seem unwilling to give a straight answer.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Joe, it’s not about what I want it's about reality.

What a weird way to keep dodging a simple question and for what?

 

[pghrob]

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I am hardly a Steelers fan. I don't typically watch them or follow them. That being said, here are the total playoff wins for all teams over the past 8 seasons.

17 - KC
10 - PHI
8 - LAR, SF
7 - BUF
6 - TB
5 - CIN, NE
3 - BAL, GB, HOU, JAC, NO, TEN
2 - DAL, DET, MIN, WAS
1 - ATL, CLE, IND, LAC, NYG, SEA
0 - ARI, CAR, CHI, DEN, LV, MIA, NYJ, PIT

Tomlin is now one of 5 head coaches to go at least 8 years without a playoff win and retain his job.

- Paul Brown (8 seasons . . . then retired from coaching but was not fired)
- Don Shula (8 seasons . . . won 3 playoff games the following season and then coached another 13 years)
- Jim Mora (11 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with NO (also did not win a playoff game in 4 seasons with IND))
- Marvin Lewis (16 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with CIN)

As an outsider, it seems like Tomlin frequently pulls a rabbit out of a hat to get the Steelers into the playoffs, but they haven't really been a serious contender in a long time. Which is better (or worse)? Making the playoffs and then going one and done every year? Or not going to the playoffs for years and then winning a game or two? I don't think there is another coach in the league that could go 8 years without a playoff win and still have a job. Steelers fans can chime in as to whether they would rather have someone else on the sidelines.

Excellent post.

Same question as @sm8680 Maybe you can answer.

Would you like to see Tomlin gone?

Steelers fans are nuts! The guy makes chicken salad out of chicken **** every year! Don't believe me? Compare the talent on your team, position by position, to my 3-14 Browns!

The standard is the standard....perspective matters.

Koans anyone?

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I am hardly a Steelers fan. I don't typically watch them or follow them. That being said, here are the total playoff wins for all teams over the past 8 seasons.

17 - KC
10 - PHI
8 - LAR, SF
7 - BUF
6 - TB
5 - CIN, NE
3 - BAL, GB, HOU, JAC, NO, TEN
2 - DAL, DET, MIN, WAS
1 - ATL, CLE, IND, LAC, NYG, SEA
0 - ARI, CAR, CHI, DEN, LV, MIA, NYJ, PIT

Tomlin is now one of 5 head coaches to go at least 8 years without a playoff win and retain his job.

- Paul Brown (8 seasons . . . then retired from coaching but was not fired)
- Don Shula (8 seasons . . . won 3 playoff games the following season and then coached another 13 years)
- Jim Mora (11 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with NO (also did not win a playoff game in 4 seasons with IND))
- Marvin Lewis (16 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with CIN)

As an outsider, it seems like Tomlin frequently pulls a rabbit out of a hat to get the Steelers into the playoffs, but they haven't really been a serious contender in a long time. Which is better (or worse)? Making the playoffs and then going one and done every year? Or not going to the playoffs for years and then winning a game or two? I don't think there is another coach in the league that could go 8 years without a playoff win and still have a job. Steelers fans can chime in as to whether they would rather have someone else on the sidelines.

'A relationship, I think, is like a shark. You know? It has to constantly move forward or it dies. And I think what we got on our hands is a 10-7/9-8 NFL mid-shark'

Woody Allen - Annie Hall

 

[cdclopper]

Do you want Tomlin gone?

I am hardly a Steelers fan. I don't typically watch them or follow them. That being said, here are the total playoff wins for all teams over the past 8 seasons.

17 - KC
10 - PHI
8 - LAR, SF
7 - BUF
6 - TB
5 - CIN, NE
3 - BAL, GB, HOU, JAC, NO, TEN
2 - DAL, DET, MIN, WAS
1 - ATL, CLE, IND, LAC, NYG, SEA
0 - ARI, CAR, CHI, DEN, LV, MIA, NYJ, PIT

Tomlin is now one of 5 head coaches to go at least 8 years without a playoff win and retain his job.

- Paul Brown (8 seasons . . . then retired from coaching but was not fired)
- Don Shula (8 seasons . . . won 3 playoff games the following season and then coached another 13 years)
- Jim Mora (11 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with NO (also did not win a playoff game in 4 seasons with IND))
- Marvin Lewis (16 seasons . . . never won a playoff game with CIN)

As an outsider, it seems like Tomlin frequently pulls a rabbit out of a hat to get the Steelers into the playoffs, but they haven't really been a serious contender in a long time. Which is better (or worse)? Making the playoffs and then going one and done every year? Or not going to the playoffs for years and then winning a game or two? I don't think there is another coach in the league that could go 8 years without a playoff win and still have a job. Steelers fans can chime in as to whether they would rather have someone else on the sidelines.

Tomlin is a victim of his own success, recently getting teams in the playoffs piloted by Mason Rudolph, Mitchell Trubisky, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields. He has a winning record when starting Kenny Pickett - let that sink in. Getting in the playoffs consistently, teams that shouldn't be there in the 1st place, is a statement itself and shouldn't be held against him when they lose the first round against Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or Patrick Mahomes.

I'm not sure if Aaron Rodgers is the answer but is probably better than anything since Ben retired. Probably better than Russ. It's worth a shot at least.

 

[menobrown]

Tomlin is a victim of his own success, recently getting teams in the playoffs piloted by Mason Rudolph, Mitchell Trubisky, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields. He has a winning record when starting Kenny Pickett - let that sink in. Getting in the playoffs consistently, teams that shouldn't be there in the 1st place, is a statement itself and shouldn't be held against him when they lose the first round against Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or Patrick Mahomes.

If you want to use QB as an excuse then let it sink in that when he had Big Ben still in his prime or playing at a high level his teams lost to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles and Cleveland era Baker Mayfield.

 

[cdclopper]

Tomlin is a victim of his own success, recently getting teams in the playoffs piloted by Mason Rudolph, Mitchell Trubisky, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields. He has a winning record when starting Kenny Pickett - let that sink in. Getting in the playoffs consistently, teams that shouldn't be there in the 1st place, is a statement itself and shouldn't be held against him when they lose the first round against Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or Patrick Mahomes.

If you want to use QB as an excuse then let it sink in that when he had Big Ben still in his prime or playing at a high level his teams lost to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles and Cleveland era Baker Mayfield.

What's the obvious rebuttal to this?

 

[menobrown]

Tomlin is a victim of his own success, recently getting teams in the playoffs piloted by Mason Rudolph, Mitchell Trubisky, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields. He has a winning record when starting Kenny Pickett - let that sink in. Getting in the playoffs consistently, teams that shouldn't be there in the 1st place, is a statement itself and shouldn't be held against him when they lose the first round against Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or Patrick Mahomes.

If you want to use QB as an excuse then let it sink in that when he had Big Ben still in his prime or playing at a high level his teams lost to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles and Cleveland era Baker Mayfield.

What's the obvious rebuttal to this?

If you got something say it.

 

[Anarchy99]

Tomlin is a victim of his own success, recently getting teams in the playoffs piloted by Mason Rudolph, Mitchell Trubisky, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields.

This sort of works both ways. Yes, he got PIT to the playoffs with those guys. But he also chose to have those guys as his QBs. They got Wilson to play last year for basically free (only had to pay $1.21M), and Fields also cost them next to nothing in salary ($3.2M). That allowed PIT to allocate way more against the cap across the rest of the roster compared to pretty much every other franchise. The point being, the Steelers made a choice to run with those QBs. Tomlin certainly had the clout to speak up and demand other guys should have been brought in. It's not like he was a rookie HC taking over a 4-win team. PIT had the resources and a good reputation to have gotten someone else (via trading up in the draft, by trade, or signing a FA).

 

[Joe Bryant]

Tomlin is a victim of his own success, recently getting teams in the playoffs piloted by Mason Rudolph, Mitchell Trubisky, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields. He has a winning record when starting Kenny Pickett - let that sink in. Getting in the playoffs consistently, teams that shouldn't be there in the 1st place, is a statement itself and shouldn't be held against him when they lose the first round against Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or Patrick Mahomes.

If you want to use QB as an excuse then let it sink in that when he had Big Ben still in his prime or playing at a high level his teams lost to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles and Cleveland era Baker Mayfield.

But also a Super Bowl win.

 

[tbsteel]

Coming into this past season, Mike Tomlin had lost 5 straight playoff games with his opponents scoring on average 40.4 points a game.

Not 25, not 30, not 35, over 40 points a game.

And this year they were annihilated by the Ravens. Never had a chance. Were down 14-0 early, and then down 21-0 at halftime. The Ravens had over 300 yards at halftime compared to 60 for the Steelers. Final score didn't reflect how outclassed they were.

Name one other coach that survives that type of performance over the course of close to a decade.

Tomlin was the right hire in 2007 for a veteran team with a young franchise QB. He was the perfect choice and motivator that could push the right buttons for that mostly veteran, battle-experienced group to get the absolute best out of them.

And he had a great, unbelievable run those first five years.

But as the veterans on that team started to decline, and then ultimately retire, with players like James Harrison, Hines Ward, Troy, and others moving on, the scenario changed. This team went from needing a bulldog motivator who can keep the ship on course and on time to needing more innovation given the changing dynamics of their team. An innovator that from an x's and o's standpoint could be flexible enough to morph the overall vision of the scheme into highlighting the strengths of the roster while trying to diminish its weaknesses.

For awhile, it was fine because we had a legendary, HOF QB in his prime who could basically run the offense on his own. Despite Tomlin's natural conservative tendencies, Big Ben had mostly free rein. But in key moments, Tomlin's stubborn, super conservative nature would rear its ugly head, despite that not being what was best for what the team was at that time. The days of 2008 playoff games where two TDs were enough were long gone. And overall, we saw the schematic flaws usually late in the year and certainly in the playoffs with our defense -- a unit that was consistently not prepared and simply out-coached in those moments.

So a few more years pass and our HOF QB starts to wear down and then ultimately age out. Big Ben starts to lose the free rein he had the offense starts morphing more and more into what Tomlin is more comfortable with and prefers. And now we've gone from needing the young motivator that can push the right buttons on a veteran team to get the best out of them, from needing the innovator who can schematically take advantage of our roster strengths while diminishing our weaknesses, to now needing a true team builder, a guy who is confident enough that they can start at the ground floor and build up from there, but also be innovative enough to be able to overcome the initial weaknesses of the roster.

Tomlin was a fantastic option for the young motivator for pushing the right buttons at the right time for a veteran team, he was not a good option for the needed flexible innovator that could alter the scheme of the team to highlight its strengths while diminishing its weaknesses, and he is a terrible option and an absolute dead end for what we need now: a true team builder that can start at the ground floor and build it up from there while being innovative enough to overcome the weaknesses of the roster.

IMO, it won't happen, but our best option for next year's draft is trading out of the first round altogether for a first in 2026 and extra draft ammo, and using that along with our comp picks next year to move up and grab a QB, ripping off the band-aid and bottoming out next year, and bringing in a new coach and staff along with a young QB who can both grow together.

 

[menobrown]

Tomlin is a victim of his own success, recently getting teams in the playoffs piloted by Mason Rudolph, Mitchell Trubisky, Russell Wilson, or Justin Fields. He has a winning record when starting Kenny Pickett - let that sink in. Getting in the playoffs consistently, teams that shouldn't be there in the 1st place, is a statement itself and shouldn't be held against him when they lose the first round against Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, or Patrick Mahomes.

If you want to use QB as an excuse then let it sink in that when he had Big Ben still in his prime or playing at a high level his teams lost to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles and Cleveland era Baker Mayfield.

But also a Super Bowl win with a 23-year-old QB in his second year that posted a 22.6 passer rating in the Big Game.

Sure but that's kind of only reinforcing my point that blaming his lack of post-season success on the QB issue being the main culprit rings kind of hollow. It's a lot more then that going on.