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QB Anthony Richardson, IND (5 Viewers)

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Anthony Richardson is said to be crushing the interview process at the Combine "I talked to a handful of scouts last night ... Every single one of them said 'Anthony Richardson is the best QB interview they've had this year.'" —
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Nice departure from the CJ "role model" captions.

you know we're talking about the team interviews and not podium Qs right

;)

lot of teams put pretty heavy emphasis on their ability to recall specific plays, or they'll throw up a coverage scheme they haven't seen and ask them to dissect how they could attack it, et al.

anyway lot of reports about GMs/HCs being impressed with his FBI
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus which puts the franchise in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
 
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Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

just read what I wrote so maybe it was not clear…just edited it.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Richardson is going to be drafted in the top 10? It only takes one team to like him that much.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
 
The other thing is, if you want him to sit, who he gonna sit behind? Which team has a QB they like, but only for a year or two?

Might be Seattle
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Richardson is going to be drafted in the top 10? It only takes one team to like him that much.
Chris Trapasso of CBS Sports had the Colts trading up to take Richardson first overall in his most recent mock draft. Most mocks I’ve seen have him going in the Top 10.

On the flip side, I saw some local sports media guys discussing whether NE might take him with their second round pick while wondering if that would be too early. Sounds like opinions will vary about where he will go and how much he needs to develop. He ranked 74th in passer rating out of 108 QBs that qualified in D-1 this year.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Richardson is going to be drafted in the top 10? It only takes one team to like him that much.
Chris Trapasso of CBS Sports had the Colts trading up to take Richardson first overall in his most recent mock draft. Most mocks I’ve seen have him going in the Top 10.

On the flip side, I saw some local sports media guys discussing whether NE might take him with their second round pick while wondering if that would be too early. Sounds like opinions will vary about where he will go and how much he needs to develop. He ranked 74th in passer rating out of 108 QBs that qualified in D-1 this year.
I so sick of seeing this
 
On the flip side, I saw some local sports media guys discussing whether NE might take him with their second round pick while wondering if that would be too early
That's just them not catching up with his move.

Two months ago, everyone knew he was a project athlete not going in the first round. Now, everyone knows he's a first rounder.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.

No doubt that there should be doubts...they are a long way from definites and have obvious flaws right now but they play by far the most important position in the NFL and they both have size and tools you just cannot teach...it will all come down to how are they mentally/how hard will they work/are they leaders...if they check those boxes they are worth the risk because the upside is a franchise-level QB...but again so much will come down to going to a good organization (it almost always does with young QBs) which is why Seattle is so intriguing.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Richardson is going to be drafted in the top 10? It only takes one team to like him that much.
Chris Trapasso of CBS Sports had the Colts trading up to take Richardson first overall in his most recent mock draft. Most mocks I’ve seen have him going in the Top 10.

On the flip side, I saw some local sports media guys discussing whether NE might take him with their second round pick while wondering if that would be too early. Sounds like opinions will vary about where he will go and how much he needs to develop. He ranked 74th in passer rating out of 108 QBs that qualified in D-1 this year.

Who is saying that locally?
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.

No doubt that there should be doubts...they are a long way from definites and have obvious flaws right now but they play by far the most important position in the NFL and they both have size and tools you just cannot teach...it will all come down to how are they mentally/how hard will they work/are they leaders...if they check those boxes they are worth the risk because the upside is a franchise-level QB...but again so much will come down to going to a good organization (it almost always does with young QBs) which is why Seattle is so intriguing.
Wasting first round picks on high probability busts have been going on forever, so two more won‘t matter.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Richardson is going to be drafted in the top 10? It only takes one team to like him that much.
Chris Trapasso of CBS Sports had the Colts trading up to take Richardson first overall in his most recent mock draft. Most mocks I’ve seen have him going in the Top 10.

On the flip side, I saw some local sports media guys discussing whether NE might take him with their second round pick while wondering if that would be too early. Sounds like opinions will vary about where he will go and how much he needs to develop. He ranked 74th in passer rating out of 108 QBs that qualified in D-1 this year.

Who is saying that locally?
I’ve seen several discussions on BST and Early Edition with the usual Pats crew. Curran, Perry, Gules, Callahan, Khari Thompson, I think Ted Johnson. This was over a couple of days after the news that NE was one of the teams that interviewed him. Opinions varied, but most people thought 14 was too early to draft him, he probably wouldn’t last until their second round pick, and they said if they really liked him they might consider him if they traded down in round 1 or traded up in round 2. That being said, no one seemed like they should be married to Mac Jones (and thus were open to bringing in someone else). They liked the idea of developing someone (in this case Richardson) for two years while seeing if Jones turned into a legit QB. I think they have way too many other needs to burn another first on a project at QB. That strategy might make sense with a Day 2 or 3 pick. There’s also been talk of moving the 14th pick for a veteran QB, so all just water cooler talk at this point.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.

No doubt that there should be doubts...they are a long way from definites and have obvious flaws right now but they play by far the most important position in the NFL and they both have size and tools you just cannot teach...it will all come down to how are they mentally/how hard will they work/are they leaders...if they check those boxes they are worth the risk because the upside is a franchise-level QB...but again so much will come down to going to a good organization (it almost always does with young QBs) which is why Seattle is so intriguing.
Wasting first round picks on high probability busts have been going on forever, so two more won‘t matter.

And Coaches and GMs getting fired because they have bad QBs has been as well...kicking the can down the road works in our world but not the real world as you just saw with Frank Reich.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Richardson is going to be drafted in the top 10? It only takes one team to like him that much.
Chris Trapasso of CBS Sports had the Colts trading up to take Richardson first overall in his most recent mock draft. Most mocks I’ve seen have him going in the Top 10.

On the flip side, I saw some local sports media guys discussing whether NE might take him with their second round pick while wondering if that would be too early. Sounds like opinions will vary about where he will go and how much he needs to develop. He ranked 74th in passer rating out of 108 QBs that qualified in D-1 this year.

Who is saying that locally?
I’ve seen several discussions on BST and Early Edition with the usual Pats crew. Curran, Perry, Gules, Callahan, Khari Thompson, I think Ted Johnson. This was over a couple of days after the news that NE was one of the teams that interviewed him. Opinions varied, but most people thought 14 was too early to draft him, he probably wouldn’t last until their second round pick, and they said if they really liked him they might consider him if they traded down in round 1 or traded up in round 2. That being said, no one seemed like they should be married to Mac Jones (and thus were open to bringing in someone else). They liked the idea of developing someone (in this case Richardson) for two years while seeing if Jones turned into a legit QB. I think they have way too many other needs to burn another first on a project at QB. That strategy might make sense with a Day 2 or 3 pick. There’s also been talk of moving the 14th pick for a veteran QB, so all just water cooler talk at this point.

I would love to see them bring in another quality prospect...I am only good with using the #14 on one if they have made the decision to move on from Mac (which I don't think they have but who knows)...if they like Hooker I would do everything possible to get into the early second if he is still available...they need to get that position figured out if they are ever to get back to legit contender status.
 
Am I the only one who thinks Richardson is going to be drafted in the top 10? It only takes one team to like him that much.
Chris Trapasso of CBS Sports had the Colts trading up to take Richardson first overall in his most recent mock draft. Most mocks I’ve seen have him going in the Top 10.

On the flip side, I saw some local sports media guys discussing whether NE might take him with their second round pick while wondering if that would be too early. Sounds like opinions will vary about where he will go and how much he needs to develop. He ranked 74th in passer rating out of 108 QBs that qualified in D-1 this year.

Who is saying that locally?
I’ve seen several discussions on BST and Early Edition with the usual Pats crew. Curran, Perry, Gules, Callahan, Khari Thompson, I think Ted Johnson. This was over a couple of days after the news that NE was one of the teams that interviewed him. Opinions varied, but most people thought 14 was too early to draft him, he probably wouldn’t last until their second round pick, and they said if they really liked him they might consider him if they traded down in round 1 or traded up in round 2. That being said, no one seemed like they should be married to Mac Jones (and thus were open to bringing in someone else). They liked the idea of developing someone (in this case Richardson) for two years while seeing if Jones turned into a legit QB. I think they have way too many other needs to burn another first on a project at QB. That strategy might make sense with a Day 2 or 3 pick. There’s also been talk of moving the 14th pick for a veteran QB, so all just water cooler talk at this point.

I would love to see them bring in another quality prospect...I am only good with using the #14 on one if they have made the decision to move on from Mac (which I don't think they have but who knows)...if they like Hooker I would do everything possible to get into the early second if he is still available...they need to get that position figured out if they are ever to get back to legit contender status.
Chasing another Brady should be fun. Why would they move on from Jones this early? Of course we live in a microwave society now.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.
I was seeing this comparison a lot on Twitter and wanted to address it. Twitter doesn't have enough characters.

I'm also a huge UK fan. Didn't go to UK for any of my education, but spent pretty much my entire life in Kentucky. You've watched a lot of Levis, so please don't take this as me lecturing or educating you. It was just the perfect post to quote to bring back up the conversation.

I think Levis is a much better passing QB. Levis completed 65 and 66% in his 2 years at UK. He did turn the ball over from trying to do too much at times. But I think it's easier to teach an efficient passer to take care of the ball than what is required with Richardson.

Willis played banged up a lot and tries to make plays when they aren't there at time. UK had a VERY BAD offensive line in 2022. Willis was under constant pressure. He was sacked 36 times. Sometimes I felt he held onto the ball too long. But at others, he let the pressure force him into a bad throw.

Now there is certainly a discussion that throwing INT's due to pressure is concerning. But this was by far the worst offensive line I've seen at UK in several years. I think in the NFL with even a semi-competent offensive line, a lot of that gets cleaned up.

People are losing their minds on Twitter about these 10 second clips of Richardson throwing rockets. 2 years ago before Levis got to UK, we had a video of Levis throwing rockets. I don't think arm strength is in question for either guy. Furthermore, didn't we have some videos with Zach Wilson throwing rockets? Arm strength is cool and all, but can you throw accurately? Can you read a defense?

There is absolutely a place in the range out of outcomes where Richardson goes somewhere and puts it together--and then you've got a huge mobile QB with a dynamite arm and maybe he's QB1 overall. But I think there's a large chunk of the range of outcomes in which he doesn't last in the NFL.

Levis I think is more likely to last as a starter. Maybe he doesn't have the absolute to-the-moon upside Richardson does. But I think his passing ability gives him a better chance to stick. He's a mobile guy in his own right. He ran for a lot more yards in 2021--and I think the staff told him to limit his running in 2022 to protect him.

Safer floor, ceiling better than I think the fantasy community is giving him credit for.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.
I was seeing this comparison a lot on Twitter and wanted to address it. Twitter doesn't have enough characters.

I'm also a huge UK fan. Didn't go to UK for any of my education, but spent pretty much my entire life in Kentucky. You've watched a lot of Levis, so please don't take this as me lecturing or educating you. It was just the perfect post to quote to bring back up the conversation.

I think Levis is a much better passing QB. Levis completed 65 and 66% in his 2 years at UK. He did turn the ball over from trying to do too much at times. But I think it's easier to teach an efficient passer to take care of the ball than what is required with Richardson.

Willis played banged up a lot and tries to make plays when they aren't there at time. UK had a VERY BAD offensive line in 2022. Willis was under constant pressure. He was sacked 36 times. Sometimes I felt he held onto the ball too long. But at others, he let the pressure force him into a bad throw.

Now there is certainly a discussion that throwing INT's due to pressure is concerning. But this was by far the worst offensive line I've seen at UK in several years. I think in the NFL with even a semi-competent offensive line, a lot of that gets cleaned up.

People are losing their minds on Twitter about these 10 second clips of Richardson throwing rockets. 2 years ago before Levis got to UK, we had a video of Levis throwing rockets. I don't think arm strength is in question for either guy. Furthermore, didn't we have some videos with Zach Wilson throwing rockets? Arm strength is cool and all, but can you throw accurately? Can you read a defense?

There is absolutely a place in the range out of outcomes where Richardson goes somewhere and puts it together--and then you've got a huge mobile QB with a dynamite arm and maybe he's QB1 overall. But I think there's a large chunk of the range of outcomes in which he doesn't last in the NFL.

Levis I think is more likely to last as a starter. Maybe he doesn't have the absolute to-the-moon upside Richardson does. But I think his passing ability gives him a better chance to stick. He's a mobile guy in his own right. He ran for a lot more yards in 2021--and I think the staff told him to limit his running in 2022 to protect him.

Safer floor, ceiling better than I think the fantasy community is giving him credit for.
Didn’t help Wentz
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.
I was seeing this comparison a lot on Twitter and wanted to address it. Twitter doesn't have enough characters.

I'm also a huge UK fan. Didn't go to UK for any of my education, but spent pretty much my entire life in Kentucky. You've watched a lot of Levis, so please don't take this as me lecturing or educating you. It was just the perfect post to quote to bring back up the conversation.

I think Levis is a much better passing QB. Levis completed 65 and 66% in his 2 years at UK. He did turn the ball over from trying to do too much at times. But I think it's easier to teach an efficient passer to take care of the ball than what is required with Richardson.

Willis played banged up a lot and tries to make plays when they aren't there at time. UK had a VERY BAD offensive line in 2022. Willis was under constant pressure. He was sacked 36 times. Sometimes I felt he held onto the ball too long. But at others, he let the pressure force him into a bad throw.

Now there is certainly a discussion that throwing INT's due to pressure is concerning. But this was by far the worst offensive line I've seen at UK in several years. I think in the NFL with even a semi-competent offensive line, a lot of that gets cleaned up.

People are losing their minds on Twitter about these 10 second clips of Richardson throwing rockets. 2 years ago before Levis got to UK, we had a video of Levis throwing rockets. I don't think arm strength is in question for either guy. Furthermore, didn't we have some videos with Zach Wilson throwing rockets? Arm strength is cool and all, but can you throw accurately? Can you read a defense?

There is absolutely a place in the range out of outcomes where Richardson goes somewhere and puts it together--and then you've got a huge mobile QB with a dynamite arm and maybe he's QB1 overall. But I think there's a large chunk of the range of outcomes in which he doesn't last in the NFL.

Levis I think is more likely to last as a starter. Maybe he doesn't have the absolute to-the-moon upside Richardson does. But I think his passing ability gives him a better chance to stick. He's a mobile guy in his own right. He ran for a lot more yards in 2021--and I think the staff told him to limit his running in 2022 to protect him.

Safer floor, ceiling better than I think the fantasy community is giving him credit for.
Didn’t help Wentz
Respectfully, if "Carson Wentz" is your best counter argument, then I feel I've done a great job of making my point.

1. Carson Wentz was the MVP Front Runner in 2017 before his injury. He was on pace for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had an ACL injury. He had back problems after that. I would argue before the injuries--Wentz was a resounding success--and a guy you would have been pretty happy with in Fantasy.

2. You can find an example similar to every guy that did or didn't succeed, right?

I just don't know that "Carson Wentz" proves or disproves anything in my post.
 
Respectfully, if "Carson Wentz" is your best counter argument, then I feel I've done a great job of making my point.

1. Carson Wentz was the MVP Front Runner in 2017 before his injury. He was on pace for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had an ACL injury. He had back problems after that. I would argue before the injuries-- Wentz was a resounding success--and a guy you would have been pretty happy with in Fantasy.

2. You can find an example similar to every guy that did or didn't succeed, right?

I just don't know that "Carson Wentz" proves or disproves anything in my post.
Also seems clear at this point that Wentz had some personality concerns. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to endear himself to teammates, coaches, owners,etc.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.
I was seeing this comparison a lot on Twitter and wanted to address it. Twitter doesn't have enough characters.

I'm also a huge UK fan. Didn't go to UK for any of my education, but spent pretty much my entire life in Kentucky. You've watched a lot of Levis, so please don't take this as me lecturing or educating you. It was just the perfect post to quote to bring back up the conversation.

I think Levis is a much better passing QB. Levis completed 65 and 66% in his 2 years at UK. He did turn the ball over from trying to do too much at times. But I think it's easier to teach an efficient passer to take care of the ball than what is required with Richardson.

Willis played banged up a lot and tries to make plays when they aren't there at time. UK had a VERY BAD offensive line in 2022. Willis was under constant pressure. He was sacked 36 times. Sometimes I felt he held onto the ball too long. But at others, he let the pressure force him into a bad throw.

Now there is certainly a discussion that throwing INT's due to pressure is concerning. But this was by far the worst offensive line I've seen at UK in several years. I think in the NFL with even a semi-competent offensive line, a lot of that gets cleaned up.

People are losing their minds on Twitter about these 10 second clips of Richardson throwing rockets. 2 years ago before Levis got to UK, we had a video of Levis throwing rockets. I don't think arm strength is in question for either guy. Furthermore, didn't we have some videos with Zach Wilson throwing rockets? Arm strength is cool and all, but can you throw accurately? Can you read a defense?

There is absolutely a place in the range out of outcomes where Richardson goes somewhere and puts it together--and then you've got a huge mobile QB with a dynamite arm and maybe he's QB1 overall. But I think there's a large chunk of the range of outcomes in which he doesn't last in the NFL.

Levis I think is more likely to last as a starter. Maybe he doesn't have the absolute to-the-moon upside Richardson does. But I think his passing ability gives him a better chance to stick. He's a mobile guy in his own right. He ran for a lot more yards in 2021--and I think the staff told him to limit his running in 2022 to protect him.

Safer floor, ceiling better than I think the fantasy community is giving him credit for.
Didn’t help Wentz
Respectfully, if "Carson Wentz" is your best counter argument, then I feel I've done a great job of making my point.

1. Carson Wentz was the MVP Front Runner in 2017 before his injury. He was on pace for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had an ACL injury. He had back problems after that. I would argue before the injuries--Wentz was a resounding success--and a guy you would have been pretty happy with in Fantasy.

2. You can find an example similar to every guy that did or didn't succeed, right?

I just don't know that "Carson Wentz" proves or disproves anything in my post.
Levis make’s stupid improv plays that turn into turnovers, just like Mr. Wentz. He also has trouble reading defenses that turn into interceptions. Not so sure that is entirely teachable.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long
He started his post with the premise “If Seattle believes they can develop him….”
 
Respectfully, if "Carson Wentz" is your best counter argument, then I feel I've done a great job of making my point.

1. Carson Wentz was the MVP Front Runner in 2017 before his injury. He was on pace for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had an ACL injury. He had back problems after that. I would argue before the injuries-- Wentz was a resounding success--and a guy you would have been pretty happy with in Fantasy.

2. You can find an example similar to every guy that did or didn't succeed, right?

I just don't know that "Carson Wentz" proves or disproves anything in my post.
Also seems clear at this point that Wentz had some personality concerns. For whatever reason, he doesn't seem to endear himself to teammates, coaches, owners,etc.
The pattern is definitely there with all 3 teams he played for. Although to be fair, some former players loved him, but clearly many did not.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long
He started his post with the premise “If Seattle believes they can develop him….”
A lot of those over the decades.
 
The pattern is definitely there with all 3 teams he played for. Although to be fair, some former players loved him, but clearly many did not.
Yeah, he wasn't a total a-hole or anything but something about him seems to rub some people the wrong way. With a different attitude, he might have had a better career.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long
He started his post with the premise “If Seattle believes they can develop him….”
A lot of those over the decades.
once again your opinion was irrelevant to his point. I’m not saying you don’t have a right to your opinion - you sure do - but under his premise if Seattle believed in him and drafted him they would expect to have the position settled for 10 years. Johnny U doesn’t work for Seattle.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long
He started his post with the premise “If Seattle believes they can develop him….”
A lot of those over the decades.
once again your opinion was irrelevant to his point. I’m not saying you don’t have a right to your opinion - you sure do - but under his premise if Seattle believed in him and drafted him they would expect to have the position settled for 10 years. Johnny U doesn’t work for Seattle.
Lighten up Francis. Your Avatar picture says it all. That doesn’t mean Seattle is right.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long
He started his post with the premise “If Seattle believes they can develop him….”
A lot of those over the decades.
once again your opinion was irrelevant to his point. I’m not saying you don’t have a right to your opinion - you sure do - but under his premise if Seattle believed in him and drafted him they would expect to have the position settled for 10 years. Johnny U doesn’t work for Seattle.
Lighten up Francis
If one of use needs it….
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long
He started his post with the premise “If Seattle believes they can develop him….”
A lot of those over the decades.
once again your opinion was irrelevant to his point. I’m not saying you don’t have a right to your opinion - you sure do - but under his premise if Seattle believed in him and drafted him they would expect to have the position settled for 10 years. Johnny U doesn’t work for Seattle.
Lighten up Francis
If one of use needs it….
:rolleyes:
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.
I was seeing this comparison a lot on Twitter and wanted to address it. Twitter doesn't have enough characters.

I'm also a huge UK fan. Didn't go to UK for any of my education, but spent pretty much my entire life in Kentucky. You've watched a lot of Levis, so please don't take this as me lecturing or educating you. It was just the perfect post to quote to bring back up the conversation.

I think Levis is a much better passing QB. Levis completed 65 and 66% in his 2 years at UK. He did turn the ball over from trying to do too much at times. But I think it's easier to teach an efficient passer to take care of the ball than what is required with Richardson.

Willis played banged up a lot and tries to make plays when they aren't there at time. UK had a VERY BAD offensive line in 2022. Willis was under constant pressure. He was sacked 36 times. Sometimes I felt he held onto the ball too long. But at others, he let the pressure force him into a bad throw.

Now there is certainly a discussion that throwing INT's due to pressure is concerning. But this was by far the worst offensive line I've seen at UK in several years. I think in the NFL with even a semi-competent offensive line, a lot of that gets cleaned up.

People are losing their minds on Twitter about these 10 second clips of Richardson throwing rockets. 2 years ago before Levis got to UK, we had a video of Levis throwing rockets. I don't think arm strength is in question for either guy. Furthermore, didn't we have some videos with Zach Wilson throwing rockets? Arm strength is cool and all, but can you throw accurately? Can you read a defense?

There is absolutely a place in the range out of outcomes where Richardson goes somewhere and puts it together--and then you've got a huge mobile QB with a dynamite arm and maybe he's QB1 overall. But I think there's a large chunk of the range of outcomes in which he doesn't last in the NFL.

Levis I think is more likely to last as a starter. Maybe he doesn't have the absolute to-the-moon upside Richardson does. But I think his passing ability gives him a better chance to stick. He's a mobile guy in his own right. He ran for a lot more yards in 2021--and I think the staff told him to limit his running in 2022 to protect him.

Safer floor, ceiling better than I think the fantasy community is giving him credit for.
Didn’t help Wentz
Respectfully, if "Carson Wentz" is your best counter argument, then I feel I've done a great job of making my point.

1. Carson Wentz was the MVP Front Runner in 2017 before his injury. He was on pace for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had an ACL injury. He had back problems after that. I would argue before the injuries--Wentz was a resounding success--and a guy you would have been pretty happy with in Fantasy.

2. You can find an example similar to every guy that did or didn't succeed, right?

I just don't know that "Carson Wentz" proves or disproves anything in my post.
Levis make’s stupid improv plays that turn into turnovers, just like Mr. Wentz. He also has trouble reading defenses that turn into interceptions. Not so sure that is entirely teachable.
First, you completely ignored the point that Wentz was an MVP Front runner before all of the injuries rendered him a shell of his former self.

Did Richardson have no dumb improv plays? Do you watch Richardson and think he doesn't have MORE trouble reading defenses?

I worry that Richardson wasn't an accurate/efficient passer in college. Now he's going to go against NFL defenses and learn it on the fly? I think there's a better chance an NFL team gets Levis to take care of the ball than they teach Richardson to pass.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.
I was seeing this comparison a lot on Twitter and wanted to address it. Twitter doesn't have enough characters.

I'm also a huge UK fan. Didn't go to UK for any of my education, but spent pretty much my entire life in Kentucky. You've watched a lot of Levis, so please don't take this as me lecturing or educating you. It was just the perfect post to quote to bring back up the conversation.

I think Levis is a much better passing QB. Levis completed 65 and 66% in his 2 years at UK. He did turn the ball over from trying to do too much at times. But I think it's easier to teach an efficient passer to take care of the ball than what is required with Richardson.

Willis played banged up a lot and tries to make plays when they aren't there at time. UK had a VERY BAD offensive line in 2022. Willis was under constant pressure. He was sacked 36 times. Sometimes I felt he held onto the ball too long. But at others, he let the pressure force him into a bad throw.

Now there is certainly a discussion that throwing INT's due to pressure is concerning. But this was by far the worst offensive line I've seen at UK in several years. I think in the NFL with even a semi-competent offensive line, a lot of that gets cleaned up.

People are losing their minds on Twitter about these 10 second clips of Richardson throwing rockets. 2 years ago before Levis got to UK, we had a video of Levis throwing rockets. I don't think arm strength is in question for either guy. Furthermore, didn't we have some videos with Zach Wilson throwing rockets? Arm strength is cool and all, but can you throw accurately? Can you read a defense?

There is absolutely a place in the range out of outcomes where Richardson goes somewhere and puts it together--and then you've got a huge mobile QB with a dynamite arm and maybe he's QB1 overall. But I think there's a large chunk of the range of outcomes in which he doesn't last in the NFL.

Levis I think is more likely to last as a starter. Maybe he doesn't have the absolute to-the-moon upside Richardson does. But I think his passing ability gives him a better chance to stick. He's a mobile guy in his own right. He ran for a lot more yards in 2021--and I think the staff told him to limit his running in 2022 to protect him.

Safer floor, ceiling better than I think the fantasy community is giving him credit for.
Didn’t help Wentz
Respectfully, if "Carson Wentz" is your best counter argument, then I feel I've done a great job of making my point.

1. Carson Wentz was the MVP Front Runner in 2017 before his injury. He was on pace for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had an ACL injury. He had back problems after that. I would argue before the injuries--Wentz was a resounding success--and a guy you would have been pretty happy with in Fantasy.

2. You can find an example similar to every guy that did or didn't succeed, right?

I just don't know that "Carson Wentz" proves or disproves anything in my post.
Levis make’s stupid improv plays that turn into turnovers, just like Mr. Wentz. He also has trouble reading defenses that turn into interceptions. Not so sure that is entirely teachable.
First, you completely ignored the point that Wentz was an MVP Front runner before all of the injuries rendered him a shell of his former self.

Did Richardson have no dumb improv plays? Do you watch Richardson and think he doesn't have MORE trouble reading defenses?

I worry that Richardson wasn't an accurate/efficient passer in college. Now he's going to go against NFL defenses and learn it on the fly? I think there's a better chance an NFL team gets Levis to take care of the ball than they teach Richardson to pass.
I’ve been throwing more tomatoes at Richardson than Levis. I don’t like either of them. That doesn’t make me right or wrong.
 
Is Seattle not the perfect team to draft him?

if they believe they can develop him it is a perfect spot…resign Geno and you can let Richardson develop behind him…Seattle may not have a draft pick this high again for a long while so if they can get their QB situation squared with for the next decade plus the franchise is in a great spot very quickly post Wilson.
Next decade?

He is 21…if he is legit they will have him for a long time unless you think he will retire at age 29.
I doubt he’s in the league that long

You have been very clear about your feelings and the fact your heels are dug in about them.
No, I’ll backtrack if he shows something besides running ability. I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong.

So much of it will come down to the organization he goes to…same with Levis…he is obviously raw but Seattle is an organization that has turned a smallish third rounder into a franchise QB and a 32 year that was off everyone’s radar into a stud last year…I would feel very good about either of those two QBs if they end up there.
I have my doubts about Levis too. Not as much as Richardson, but still doubts and I’m a huge UK fan. Went to UK the first half of my degree. I believe Levis had 1 game of at least 250 yards in 16 games against SEC competition and he is a turnover machine.
I was seeing this comparison a lot on Twitter and wanted to address it. Twitter doesn't have enough characters.

I'm also a huge UK fan. Didn't go to UK for any of my education, but spent pretty much my entire life in Kentucky. You've watched a lot of Levis, so please don't take this as me lecturing or educating you. It was just the perfect post to quote to bring back up the conversation.

I think Levis is a much better passing QB. Levis completed 65 and 66% in his 2 years at UK. He did turn the ball over from trying to do too much at times. But I think it's easier to teach an efficient passer to take care of the ball than what is required with Richardson.

Willis played banged up a lot and tries to make plays when they aren't there at time. UK had a VERY BAD offensive line in 2022. Willis was under constant pressure. He was sacked 36 times. Sometimes I felt he held onto the ball too long. But at others, he let the pressure force him into a bad throw.

Now there is certainly a discussion that throwing INT's due to pressure is concerning. But this was by far the worst offensive line I've seen at UK in several years. I think in the NFL with even a semi-competent offensive line, a lot of that gets cleaned up.

People are losing their minds on Twitter about these 10 second clips of Richardson throwing rockets. 2 years ago before Levis got to UK, we had a video of Levis throwing rockets. I don't think arm strength is in question for either guy. Furthermore, didn't we have some videos with Zach Wilson throwing rockets? Arm strength is cool and all, but can you throw accurately? Can you read a defense?

There is absolutely a place in the range out of outcomes where Richardson goes somewhere and puts it together--and then you've got a huge mobile QB with a dynamite arm and maybe he's QB1 overall. But I think there's a large chunk of the range of outcomes in which he doesn't last in the NFL.

Levis I think is more likely to last as a starter. Maybe he doesn't have the absolute to-the-moon upside Richardson does. But I think his passing ability gives him a better chance to stick. He's a mobile guy in his own right. He ran for a lot more yards in 2021--and I think the staff told him to limit his running in 2022 to protect him.

Safer floor, ceiling better than I think the fantasy community is giving him credit for.
Didn’t help Wentz
Respectfully, if "Carson Wentz" is your best counter argument, then I feel I've done a great job of making my point.

1. Carson Wentz was the MVP Front Runner in 2017 before his injury. He was on pace for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had an ACL injury. He had back problems after that. I would argue before the injuries--Wentz was a resounding success--and a guy you would have been pretty happy with in Fantasy.

2. You can find an example similar to every guy that did or didn't succeed, right?

I just don't know that "Carson Wentz" proves or disproves anything in my post.
Levis make’s stupid improv plays that turn into turnovers, just like Mr. Wentz. He also has trouble reading defenses that turn into interceptions. Not so sure that is entirely teachable.
First, you completely ignored the point that Wentz was an MVP Front runner before all of the injuries rendered him a shell of his former self.

Did Richardson have no dumb improv plays? Do you watch Richardson and think he doesn't have MORE trouble reading defenses?

I worry that Richardson wasn't an accurate/efficient passer in college. Now he's going to go against NFL defenses and learn it on the fly? I think there's a better chance an NFL team gets Levis to take care of the ball than they teach Richardson to pass.
I’ve been throwing more tomatoes at Richardson than Levis. I don’t like either of them. That doesn’t make me right or wrong.
Fair enough.
 

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