QB Anthony Richardson, IND (2 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

I wonder how well Richardson stacks up when you compare him strictly to other QBs that were 22 years old.

Historically, there are very few NFL QBs that complete less than half of their throws (regardless of age). This will be a pretty big mountain for him to climb to greatly improve in that area.

Bobby Douglass

 

[King of the Jungle]

I wonder how well Richardson stacks up when you compare him strictly to other QBs that were 22 years old.

Historically, there are very few NFL QBs that complete less than half of their throws (regardless of age). This will be a pretty big mountain for him to climb to greatly improve in that area.

Bobby Douglass

Emphasizing the word “few”

 

[JohnnyU]

I wonder how well Richardson stacks up when you compare him strictly to other QBs that were 22 years old.

Historically, there are very few NFL QBs that complete less than half of their throws (regardless of age). This will be a pretty big mountain for him to climb to greatly improve in that area.

Bobby Douglass

Emphasizing the word “few”

I like throwing names out there that not many know. When I watched Douglass play back in the 70s, he was trash as a passing QB with some running chops.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I wonder how well Richardson stacks up when you compare him strictly to other QBs that were 22 years old.

Historically, there are very few NFL QBs that complete less than half of their throws (regardless of age). This will be a pretty big mountain for him to climb to greatly improve in that area.

I’m only concerned with very young quarterbacks.

He’s 8-7 in fifteen games with a completion rate of 51% and passer rating of 68. Not great but fifteen games isn’t a lot of go on so far. Plus he’s very very young during those starts. 21 and 22 years old. He didn’t even play a bunch in college and he went 6-7. Basically he played one full season at 20 years old. It’s just way too soon to draw career long conclusions. He’s not a golfer, football is a team sport with ten other guys on offense running around the field. QBs like Aaron Rodger’s held a clipboard for three years before becoming a regular starter.

What I like about Richardson is that he’s was a #4 overall pick and nobody in fantasy wants him. He’s the kind of player that you could stash relatively cheap in a dynasty or contract and see what happens while you start other more established QBs.

 

[Riffraff]

Unpopular opinion:
Bring in Daniel Jones

Upgrade in passer, rusher, and games available. Not old and don't have to change the offense much. Some will laugh at the rushing, but Jones is on the all-time list of rushing QBs to have more than 700 yards in a season - has only happened 24 times (not 24 different players) in NFL history.

Jones gets the best WR crew and OL(?) in his career. Is smart to understand that he needs a better offensive roster than the NYG ideology was willing to amass.

Richardson gets a Manning taught game prep perspective and a 'not too much better' competitor that he has no chance of improving and eventually getting another chance. Need a 'mile ahead' QB, not one that is marathon miles ahead.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Unpopular opinion:
Bring in Daniel Jones

Upgrade in passer, rusher, and games available. Not old and don't have to change the offense much. Some will laugh at the rushing, but Jones is on the all-time list of rushing QBs to have more than 700 yards in a season - has only happened 24 times (not 24 different players) in NFL history.

Jones gets the best WR crew and OL(?) in his career. Is smart to understand that he needs a better offensive roster than the NYG ideology was willing to amass.

Richardson gets a Manning taught game prep perspective and a 'not too much better' competitor that he has no chance of improving and eventually getting another chance. Need a 'mile ahead' QB, not one that is marathon miles ahead.

Unless it is for league minimum or close to is I would be out on the colts as a fan.

 

[Riffraff]

Unpopular opinion:
Bring in Daniel Jones

Upgrade in passer, rusher, and games available. Not old and don't have to change the offense much. Some will laugh at the rushing, but Jones is on the all-time list of rushing QBs to have more than 700 yards in a season - has only happened 24 times (not 24 different players) in NFL history.

Jones gets the best WR crew and OL(?) in his career. Is smart to understand that he needs a better offensive roster than the NYG ideology was willing to amass.

Richardson gets a Manning taught game prep perspective and a 'not too much better' competitor that he has no chance of improving and eventually getting another chance. Need a 'mile ahead' QB, not one that is marathon miles ahead.

Unless it is for league minimum or close to is I would be out on the colts as a fan.

League minimum = UFL / XFL / USFL rejects.

 

[Ray_T]

I wonder how well Richardson stacks up when you compare him strictly to other QBs that were 22 years old.

Historically, there are very few NFL QBs that complete less than half of their throws (regardless of age). This will be a pretty big mountain for him to climb to greatly improve in that area.

I’m only concerned with very young quarterbacks.

He’s 8-7 in fifteen games with a completion rate of 51% and passer rating of 68. Not great but fifteen games isn’t a lot of go on so far. Plus he’s very very young during those starts. 21 and 22 years old. He didn’t even play a bunch in college and we went 6-7. Basically he played one full season at 20 years old. It’s just way too soon to draw career long conclusions. He’s not a golfer, football is a team sport with ten other guys on offense running around the field. QBs like Aaron Rodger’s held a clipboard for three years before becoming a regular starter.

What I like about Richardson is that he’s was a #4 overall pick and nobody in fantasy wants him. He’s the kind of player that you could stash relatively cheap in a dynasty or contract and see what happens while you start other more established QBs.

its a small sample size.

the reason I've avoided him lately is because he seems to also get hurt a lot. hes missed enough time that I feel like it has hindered his development too.

I feel like hes gonna become the next RGIII. good when hes healthy, but cannot stay healthy. Though in his case good for him wasnt as good as good was with RGIII. so maybe that is a problem too.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wonder how well Richardson stacks up when you compare him strictly to other QBs that were 22 years old.

Historically, there are very few NFL QBs that complete less than half of their throws (regardless of age). This will be a pretty big mountain for him to climb to greatly improve in that area.

I’m only concerned with very young quarterbacks.

He’s 8-7 in fifteen games with a completion rate of 51% and passer rating of 68. Not great but fifteen games isn’t a lot of go on so far. Plus he’s very very young during those starts. 21 and 22 years old. He didn’t even play a bunch in college and we went 6-7. Basically he played one full season at 20 years old. It’s just way too soon to draw career long conclusions. He’s not a golfer, football is a team sport with ten other guys on offense running around the field. QBs like Aaron Rodger’s held a clipboard for three years before becoming a regular starter.

What I like about Richardson is that he’s was a #4 overall pick and nobody in fantasy wants him. He’s the kind of player that you could stash relatively cheap in a dynasty or contract and see what happens while you start other more established QBs.

its a small sample size.

the reason I've avoided him lately is because he seems to also get hurt a lot. hes missed enough time that I feel like it has hindered his development too.

I feel like hes gonna become the next RGIII. good when hes healthy, but cannot stay healthy. Though in his case good for him wasnt as good as good was with RGIII. so maybe that is a problem too.

He did learn how to slide more in 2024, I'll give him that.

 

[Ray_T]

I wonder how well Richardson stacks up when you compare him strictly to other QBs that were 22 years old.

Historically, there are very few NFL QBs that complete less than half of their throws (regardless of age). This will be a pretty big mountain for him to climb to greatly improve in that area.

I’m only concerned with very young quarterbacks.

He’s 8-7 in fifteen games with a completion rate of 51% and passer rating of 68. Not great but fifteen games isn’t a lot of go on so far. Plus he’s very very young during those starts. 21 and 22 years old. He didn’t even play a bunch in college and we went 6-7. Basically he played one full season at 20 years old. It’s just way too soon to draw career long conclusions. He’s not a golfer, football is a team sport with ten other guys on offense running around the field. QBs like Aaron Rodger’s held a clipboard for three years before becoming a regular starter.

What I like about Richardson is that he’s was a #4 overall pick and nobody in fantasy wants him. He’s the kind of player that you could stash relatively cheap in a dynasty or contract and see what happens while you start other more established QBs.

its a small sample size.

the reason I've avoided him lately is because he seems to also get hurt a lot. hes missed enough time that I feel like it has hindered his development too.

I feel like hes gonna become the next RGIII. good when hes healthy, but cannot stay healthy. Though in his case good for him wasnt as good as good was with RGIII. so maybe that is a problem too.

He did learn how to slide more in 2024, I'll give him that.

yeah, I'm sure the coaches told him if he gets hurt he may lose his job, so sliding became more of a priority for him. either way, the health thing is still an issue for me. I might take him as a backup qb in my superflex league, but I wouldnt draft him as a starter. too unreliable.

 

[JohnnyU]

I wonder how well Richardson stacks up when you compare him strictly to other QBs that were 22 years old.

Historically, there are very few NFL QBs that complete less than half of their throws (regardless of age). This will be a pretty big mountain for him to climb to greatly improve in that area.

I’m only concerned with very young quarterbacks.

He’s 8-7 in fifteen games with a completion rate of 51% and passer rating of 68. Not great but fifteen games isn’t a lot of go on so far. Plus he’s very very young during those starts. 21 and 22 years old. He didn’t even play a bunch in college and we went 6-7. Basically he played one full season at 20 years old. It’s just way too soon to draw career long conclusions. He’s not a golfer, football is a team sport with ten other guys on offense running around the field. QBs like Aaron Rodger’s held a clipboard for three years before becoming a regular starter.

What I like about Richardson is that he’s was a #4 overall pick and nobody in fantasy wants him. He’s the kind of player that you could stash relatively cheap in a dynasty or contract and see what happens while you start other more established QBs.

its a small sample size.

the reason I've avoided him lately is because he seems to also get hurt a lot. hes missed enough time that I feel like it has hindered his development too.

I feel like hes gonna become the next RGIII. good when hes healthy, but cannot stay healthy. Though in his case good for him wasnt as good as good was with RGIII. so maybe that is a problem too.

He did learn how to slide more in 2024, I'll give him that.

yeah, I'm sure the coaches told him if he gets hurt he may lose his job, so sliding became more of a priority for him. either way, the health thing is still an issue for me. I might take him as a backup qb in my superflex league, but I wouldnt draft him as a starter. too unreliable.

I certainly can’t find fault with that reasoning.

 

[travdogg]

He took a step forward mid-season this year. With a healthy offseason to train, they should see if he can take another step forward. Sure, bring in "competition" for him, but it should be someone like Mariotta, someone he can beat out. Enough to keep the fire lit under his rear by that mid-season benching lit and burning.

Punting on him at this stage seems idiotic for the Colts.

Did he? He had a nice game against the Jets in week 11 when he came back, but then he went right back to being extremely inaccurate (3 straight games not topping 50% completions) and more INT's than TDs. He was more effective as a rusher after coming back, but his step forward, was more from horrible to just bad.

The thing is the competition will likely be higher than Mariota just because the supply is bigger than the demand. Although honestly, Mariota is probably better too. Its REALLY hard to complete under 50% of passes, and REALLY hard to have a passer rating in the 60s. His completion percentage was 10% lower than any other QB who had started at least 3 games, and that was Spencer Rattler. His passer rating was 9 points lower than any other QB (again Rattler) and that's not even getting into his 9 fumbles, which on a per play basis only Cooper Rush and Spencer Rattler fumbled more.

ETA: The only guys since 2000 who had lower completion percentages are Akili Smith, Mike McMahon, Tim Tebow, Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell.

That completion % is indeed really low, but there was a lot of drops too.

Is there a stat that tracks on-target throws vs off-target? I feel like I have a tough time judging how much of that was him. From the games I saw after the benching (which was only like 2 because I'm not in their tv market) it seemed like he was on target at a decent rate.

Adjusted completion %, which factors in drops, and throw aways.

Looking that up, it seems other than the Jets game, Richardson was actually less accurate after returning from injury, though his rushing went up.

 

[(HULK)]

I don't know how accurate Gemini is but this is what it said when I googled AR's adjusted completion %:

Anthony Richardson's adjusted completion percentage has varied from 52.4% to 88.5% depending on the game and the week.
Details
In a game against the Jets, Richardson had an adjusted completion percentage of 88.5%, notes PFF.
In weeks 11–13, Richardson's adjusted completion percentage was 68.5%.
In weeks 1–8, Richardson's completion percentage was lower than the NFL average in some ranges.
In December 2024, Richardson's adjusted completion percentage was improving, but was still low among starting quarterbacks.
Other stats
Richardson's completion percentage has been improving since returning to the lineup in week 11.
Richardson also has a league-leading drop rate.
In December 2024, Richardson's completion percentage was improving, but was still low among starting quarterbacks.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

 

[travdogg]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen don't have that luxury if Richardson doesn't vastly improve. I can only speak for myself, but I think they'd be nuts to not have a strong plan B (arguably a plan A, with Richardson as plan B) if they hope to keep their jobs.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

His accuracy sucked in college and it so far it has sucked in the NFL. People defending him are the ones who have to pretend the facts don’t exist, not the other way around.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

His accuracy sucked in college and it so far it has sucked in the NFL. People defending him are the ones who have to pretend the facts don’t exist, not the other way around.

I don’t buy the argument that players cannot improve their ability to perform. It’s utter nonsense.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

His accuracy sucked in college and it so far it has sucked in the NFL. People defending him are the ones who have to pretend the facts don’t exist, not the other way around.

I don’t buy the argument that players cannot improve their ability to perform. It’s utter nonsense.

Literally nobody said that. It’s a strawman.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

His accuracy sucked in college and it so far it has sucked in the NFL. People defending him are the ones who have to pretend the facts don’t exist, not the other way around.

I don’t buy the argument that players cannot improve their ability to perform. It’s utter nonsense.

I do not think anyone is saying that, however we can point to the fact that he has had trouble staying on the field and struggled to complete a competent percentage of his passes. Those are two very concerning markers for a quarterback. He may improve, but as of right now he is his current body of work.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen don't have that luxury if Richardson doesn't vastly improve. I can only speak for myself, but I think they'd be nuts to not have a strong plan B (arguably a plan A, with Richardson as plan B) if they hope to keep their jobs.

I know it's been talked about upthread...but I think as a person and a leader, he's still going to need to prove to an entire organization that he's no longer the person who tapped out. A much higher level of play can help in that regard, but IMO...there's going to be more to it if Richardson hopes to have a career in the NFL as a starter. Rebuilding his standing in that locker room comes before any opportunity to improve is on field performance.

 

[(HULK)]

To be clear, I think it is more likely than not that Richardson is a bust when it's all said and done. But, I do think he'll have at least 1 more shot to turn the ship around, maybe 2. And he could improve. My jury is still out.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

His accuracy sucked in college and it so far it has sucked in the NFL. People defending him are the ones who have to pretend the facts don’t exist, not the other way around.

I don’t buy the argument that players cannot improve their ability to perform. It’s utter nonsense.

When you've been throwing a football the majority of your life like Richardson has, you can either throw a 10 yard pass accurately or you can't. That's not something you can fix after 50,000 throws.

I've made two main points a few times in this thread, after Richardson was drafted and before he even played in the NFL.

1) Richardson went to my high school and my college. I've been following him for a long time. After he was drafted I made the point that, even when standing still throwing 10 yard warm up passes with the backup QB on the sidelines, he was never able to consistently throw them accurately. He will bewilder people with his inaccuracy on short and intermediate passes. By the time you're in your 20's, throwing a 10 yard pass to someone standing still is either something you can do or you can't.

2) People were massively overlooking Richardson's propensity for injury. Were his inaccuracy not drawing people's attention away, his injury propensity would have been a massive red flag, but as it were it was something people completely overlooked. I made the point that going back to high school, he had only ever stayed healthy in a season once, typically picking up multiple nagging injuries that affected his performance every year. I said he would show flashes as a runner, but then get hurt, and then when his coaches realized this keeps happening they would reel in his running, and people would get frustrated that he's not using his legs more which is what made up the majority of his fantasy value in the first place. So run and put up numbers, but get hurt, or don't run and don't put up numbers, and you never know which or those you're going to get when you put him in your lineup.

So far, that has been his career to a tee. That doesn't mean he can't turn it around, Josh Allen did, but it's looking like a steep uphill climb. The short yardage inaccuracy is something he'll have to overcome and make up for by excelling in other areas. It's probably not something that can be fixed at this point. With 50,000 throws over 10 years and multiple professional quality coaches, including one of the better QB-friendly coaches in the NFL if he can't consistently throw a 10 yard pass by now, it's likely just something that's a part of who he is.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I’ve never seen a study that statistically demonstrates certain players are injury prone. If the numbers bear it out, then I’d like to see. I just see a lot of prognostications from people who watch football on Sunday with a lot less experience and insight than the professional coaches and general managers that run NFL teams.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I’ve never seen a study that statistically demonstrates certain players are injury prone. If the numbers bear it out, then I’d like to see. I just see a lot of prognostications from people who watch football on Sunday with a lot less experience and insight than the professional coaches and general managers that run NFL teams.

Interesting take. So do you agree with the professional coaches when they benched him last year and have repeatedly made a point to state they want to bring in competition at the position? Or is your hard stance that he will be good solely on the fact that they drafted him #4 overall?

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I’ve never seen a study that statistically demonstrates certain players are injury prone. If the numbers bear it out, then I’d like to see. I just see a lot of prognostications from people who watch football on Sunday with a lot less experience and insight than the professional coaches and general managers that run NFL teams.

Interesting take. So do you agree with the professional coaches when they benched him last year and have repeatedly made a point to state they want to bring in competition at the position? Or is your hard stance that he will be good solely on the fact that they drafted him #4 overall?

Unlike many others around here, I don’t waste my time second guessing coaching staffs that have been in professional football for their whole career. Many of which played college or professional football and they have a far better understanding of the game on average than the vast majority FF owners who crack a beer on and sit on a couch Sunday afternoon. These people are managing massive budgets and dealing with contracts that span a number of years in an effort to assemble a championship caliber team each year. That sounds difficult. Plus they design complicated offense and defense schemes to leverage the players they have on the roster. And players aren’t chess pieces that necessarily do whatever they are told. Some are head cases or have family or emotional issues that can crop up. Some are dealing with injuries. I’ll bet it’s all really hard to get right. There aren’t a lot of dynasties in NFL. I think the professionals make the best decisions they can and they are around these players all the time and at every practice. They know a lot more than we know about these young men and their abilities. It’s comical that keyboard warriors think they know better after they come home from work at an office or job site and fire up a computer to run their imaginary team.

I have no idea what will happen with Richardson. From a fantasy perspective, all I can do is to look at his prospects compared to other available players. I’m in a redraft league and a contract league. Both have entirely different dynamics. I might be willing to draft Richardson as a QB3 in a redraft league as a backup if I don’t have better options but I probably will have better options so I’m unlikely to roster him there. Richardson looks a little different in a 25 man roster + 5 practice squad spot contract league with a SuperFlex position. Especially depending on his price tag. Richardson isn’t a terrible option in the SuperFlex if you don’t have two other better options. I don’t know what will happen with Richardson in 2025, 2026, 2027 but I think writing off a 22 year old with limited experience because his statistics are mediocre is unwise. Declaring him injury prone is silly too. He’s 22 and he might play another tens years. He might improve in the coming years and possibly a lot. Maybe he’s out of football at the end of his rookie contract. Nobody knows for sure. All we can do is speculate. But a huge variable is how he stacks up compared to other available players.

 

[IHEARTFF]

He is working with Chris Hess and Josh Allen this offseason so probably it’s now or never

 

[kface]

He is working with Chris Hess and Josh Allen this offseason so probably it’s now or never

If I spent the summer working with Josh Allen and Chris Hess I still wouldn't be an NFL quarterback

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

He is working with Chris Hess and Josh Allen this offseason so probably it’s now or never

Richardson’s stats at 22 years old are nearly identical to Josh Allen’s stats at 22 years old.

 

[IHEARTFF]

He is working with Chris Hess and Josh Allen this offseason so probably it’s now or never

If I spent the summer working with Josh Allen and Chris Hess I still wouldn't be an NFL quarterback

Hey me either but I’m not a more athletic Josh Allen

 

[JohnnyU]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen don't have that luxury if Richardson doesn't vastly improve. I can only speak for myself, but I think they'd be nuts to not have a strong plan B (arguably a plan A, with Richardson as plan B) if they hope to keep their jobs.

I know it's been talked about upthread...but I think as a person and a leader, he's still going to need to prove to an entire organization that he's no longer the person who tapped out. A much higher level of play can help in that regard, but IMO...there's going to be more to it if Richardson hopes to have a career in the NFL as a starter. Rebuilding his standing in that locker room comes before any opportunity to improve is on field performance.

He probably has one more chance, but the tapping out stuff was overblown and now you’re overblowing it again.

 

[menobrown]

My unsolicited fantasy advice, mainly for redraft but can be applied to dynasty.

If you are down on AR or of him keeping his grip on the job then Pittman and Downs are tremendous value plays right now. Both of them without AR have put up top 10/20 type of production and right now they are both hovering in the WR50 range of drafts.

On the other hand if you believe in AR or want to hedge your bet on one of those WR's, AR who is pretty cheap and probably getting cheaper after Ballard's comments but even before he made those comments he was going in the QB20'ish range. The early in-game exits are brutal, but even his detractors I'd think have to admit he still has legit big fantasy upside by simply keeping the job and finishing games, to say nothing of possible improvement.

So you all know what I'm getting at. If AR gets dumped a good chance you got tremendous WR value. If AR keeps the job it's quite possible you got tremendous QB value and still not a bad price to pay for those WR's, they could potentially still be value plays if AR plays well enough to hold onto the job.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

My unsolicited fantasy advice, mainly for redraft but can be applied to dynasty.

If you are down on AR or of him keeping his grip on the job then Pittman and Downs are tremendous value plays right now. Both of them without AR have put up top 10/20 type of production and right now they are both hovering in the WR50 range of drafts.

On the other hand if you believe in AR or want to hedge your bet on one of those WR's, AR who is pretty cheap and probably getting cheaper after Ballard's comments but even before he made those comments he was going in the QB20'ish range. The early in-game exits are brutal, but even his detractors I'd think have to admit he still has legit big fantasy upside by simply keeping the job and finishing games, to say nothing of possible improvement.

So you all know what I'm getting at. If AR gets dumped a good chance you got tremendous WR value. If AR keeps the job it's quite possible you got tremendous QB value and still not a bad price to pay for those WR's, they could potentially still be value plays if AR plays well enough to hold onto the job.

This is the kind of thinking I like. Nice work!

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I marvel at the way some people on these boards confidently write off young developing players despite being first round picks based on unreliably small sample sizes early in their career.

Bottom line is most FFers rely on viewing and stats to gauge their opinion. Neither of those look great for Richardson at the moment. I can tell you in the one game he played against Detroit last year, there were multiple penalties and/or drops that could have easily change his stat line. Other than that, to me, his stat line is embarrassing poor as a passer in this league. I will rarely say a guy doesn’t have a chance to improve (especially this young), however he historically has an uphill climb.

If someone really cares about statistics then they should care about valid sample sizes before drawing conclusions from the data.

More often than not, I find people are far too willing to draw conclusions on inadequate data.

Presently I’d give more credit to Richardson’s #4 overall pick than his on field performance. I’d like to see another season or two out of him.

Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen don't have that luxury if Richardson doesn't vastly improve. I can only speak for myself, but I think they'd be nuts to not have a strong plan B (arguably a plan A, with Richardson as plan B) if they hope to keep their jobs.

I know it's been talked about upthread...but I think as a person and a leader, he's still going to need to prove to an entire organization that he's no longer the person who tapped out. A much higher level of play can help in that regard, but IMO...there's going to be more to it if Richardson hopes to have a career in the NFL as a starter. Rebuilding his standing in that locker room comes before any opportunity to improve is on field performance.

He probably has one more chance, but the tapping out stuff was overblown and now you’re overblowing it again.

Do you think tapping out is indicative of a singular and isolated incident/lapse of judgment, or more central to the approach he's taken to being a pro which had him thinking the NFL is easier than college where he far from dominated?

And within the construct of that pattern...do you think that's noticeable in a locker room full of grown men of which he's been tasked to lead? While he crawls around his house with back soreness as Steichen described?

 

[Riffraff]

Unpopular opinion:
Bring in Daniel Jones

Upgrade in passer, rusher, and games available. Not old and don't have to change the offense much. Some will laugh at the rushing, but Jones is on the all-time list of rushing QBs to have more than 700 yards in a season - has only happened 24 times (not 24 different players) in NFL history.

Jones gets the best WR crew and OL(?) in his career. Is smart to understand that he needs a better offensive roster than the NYG ideology was willing to amass.

Richardson gets a Manning taught game prep perspective and a 'not too much better' competitor that he has no chance of improving and eventually getting another chance. Need a 'mile ahead' QB, not one that is marathon miles ahead.

Blind squirrel and clock hands analogies... got a random one right.

D Jones signs with IND. Good call IMO.
Richardson does not request for an immediate trade out of town. Not like there's anywhere to go as the QB openings dry up quickly.

 

[Kiddnets]

Unpopular opinion:
Bring in Daniel Jones

Upgrade in passer, rusher, and games available. Not old and don't have to change the offense much. Some will laugh at the rushing, but Jones is on the all-time list of rushing QBs to have more than 700 yards in a season - has only happened 24 times (not 24 different players) in NFL history.

Jones gets the best WR crew and OL(?) in his career. Is smart to understand that he needs a better offensive roster than the NYG ideology was willing to amass.

Richardson gets a Manning taught game prep perspective and a 'not too much better' competitor that he has no chance of improving and eventually getting another chance. Need a 'mile ahead' QB, not one that is marathon miles ahead.

Blind squirrel and clock hands analogies... got a random one right.

D Jones signs with IND. Good call IMO.
Richardson does not request for an immediate trade out of town. Not like there's anywhere to go as the QB openings dry up quickly.

As an A Rich owner I suppose this is best case - if he cant beat out Jones hes toast anyway

 

[Soulfly3]

How some of you didn't lern after the Trey Lance fiasco (which I also was adament he'd flop) is beyond me...

Why do you expect guys who can't QB in college, to be good in the pros? How does that make any sense whatsoever?

Read Matt Waldmans Rookie Analysis last year. Explains it very clearly.

If I find the article, maybe I will. But I watch college. I scout players myself. I trust what I see.

And typically, I do pretty well at gauging a player's abilities. This cat NEVER said anything to me other than a somewhat more competent Trey Lance

Hell, I even stuck my neck out and said Caleb would be a bust. Obv way too early, and as an owner of bears WRs, I'd love to be wrong... And I think I will be, somewhat. He'll probably be decent, but not good.

FBG not paying me in free subscriptions is criminal.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

10/32… Yuck!

And this is why Daniel Jones has been brought in
Richardson was a Bust the night they drafted him at No 4

 

[Faust]

Colts GM Chris Ballard expects both Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones to play 'at some point'

 

[zamboni]

Colts GM Chris Ballard expects both Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones to play 'at some point'

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Richardson. He better have a big camp or he's on the path to already being a career backup.

 

[BassNBrew]

How some of you didn't lern after the Trey Lance fiasco (which I also was adament he'd flop) is beyond me...

Why do you expect guys who can't QB in college, to be good in the pros? How does that make any sense whatsoever?

Read Matt Waldmans Rookie Analysis last year. Explains it very clearly.

If I find the article, maybe I will. But I watch college. I scout players myself. I trust what I see.

And typically, I do pretty well at gauging a player's abilities. This cat NEVER said anything to me other than a somewhat more competent Trey Lance

Hell, I even stuck my neck out and said Caleb would be a bust. Obv way too early, and as an owner of bears WRs, I'd love to be wrong... And I think I will be, somewhat. He'll probably be decent, but not good.

FBG not paying me in free subscriptions is criminal.

They already paid you Deshaun Watson guaranteed money in Josh Gordon bandwidth used.

 

[Soulfly3]

How some of you didn't lern after the Trey Lance fiasco (which I also was adament he'd flop) is beyond me...

Why do you expect guys who can't QB in college, to be good in the pros? How does that make any sense whatsoever?

Read Matt Waldmans Rookie Analysis last year. Explains it very clearly.

If I find the article, maybe I will. But I watch college. I scout players myself. I trust what I see.

And typically, I do pretty well at gauging a player's abilities. This cat NEVER said anything to me other than a somewhat more competent Trey Lance

Hell, I even stuck my neck out and said Caleb would be a bust. Obv way too early, and as an owner of bears WRs, I'd love to be wrong... And I think I will be, somewhat. He'll probably be decent, but not good.

FBG not paying me in free subscriptions is criminal.

They already paid you Deshaun Watson guaranteed money in Josh Gordon bandwidth used.

I was still underpaid

 

[Faust]

NFL on ESPN
"You have to grow up and become a professional."

@danorlovsky7 said this is the year for Anthony Richardson to establish the Colts as his football team

https://x.com/espnnfl/status/1914438726907826513?s=61

 

[Faust]

Colts' Anthony Richardson embracing QB battle vs. Daniel Jones: 'Competition, I love it'

 

[JAA]

Unpopular opinion:
Bring in Daniel Jones

Upgrade in passer, rusher, and games available. Not old and don't have to change the offense much. Some will laugh at the rushing, but Jones is on the all-time list of rushing QBs to have more than 700 yards in a season - has only happened 24 times (not 24 different players) in NFL history.

Jones gets the best WR crew and OL(?) in his career. Is smart to understand that he needs a better offensive roster than the NYG ideology was willing to amass.

Richardson gets a Manning taught game prep perspective and a 'not too much better' competitor that he has no chance of improving and eventually getting another chance. Need a 'mile ahead' QB, not one that is marathon miles ahead.

Just saw this post, well done

 

[steelcityman]

Would we agree accuracy is AR's biggest issue? I heard he is working with the same guy who helped Josh Allen early in his career with accuracy(correct me if I am wrong). If he improves on that, with his athletic ability and size, he can become a good QB, not Josh Allen(few are), but in that top 10-15 range, which would be pretty solid. But, if he doesnt, then he is cooked. I expect Jones to play as well, even if AR improves accuracy, he will get dinged up at some point from running the ball. That is a big difference b/w him and Allen as well. Allen runs but doesnt miss 5-8-12 games a year from injury.
I havent given up on AR, but have put the stiff arm out.

 

[MAC_32]

Would we agree accuracy is AR's biggest issue? I heard he is working with the same guy who helped Josh Allen early in his career with accuracy(correct me if I am wrong). If he improves on that, with his athletic ability and size, he can become a good QB, not Josh Allen(few are), but in that top 10-15 range, which would be pretty solid. But, if he doesnt, then he is cooked. I expect Jones to play as well, even if AR improves accuracy, he will get dinged up at some point from running the ball. That is a big difference b/w him and Allen as well. Allen runs but doesnt miss 5-8-12 games a year from injury.
I havent given up on AR, but have put the stiff arm out.

Not necessarily, but most QB's aren't able to overcome this developmental problem anyway. Allen was the exception to the rule, and he required levels of patience most NFL teams won't consider. His 2nd season wasn't great and his 1st season was horrendous. This was after being a 2 year college starter, netting 54 total starts between both levels, which is more than double Richardson.

 

[steelcityman]

I mean, ARs first 2 seasons were bad, and he played in what, half the games over 2 years? So the story seems more unwritten than Allen's after 2 years. I just think the door isnt completely shut on him. He has weapons around him, and he doenst need to throw it 40 times a game.
His rookie season he had a 59.4 comp%, small sample size tho. Last year 47.7%. If he can get back to around 60%, he'll be a valuable FFL QB. Time will tell.

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

I only see value in Richardson as an acceptable but not ideal starter in Super Flex.