CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I get the point, but its a strange timeframe - 2006-2016 - to use. Yeah, it certainly is true that none of Vince Young, Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler are still playing for their original teams.
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I get the point, but its a strange timeframe - 2006-2016 - to use. Yeah, it certainly is true that none of Vince Young, Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler are still playing for their original teams.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Mark my words, the Browns will not eat any of Mayfields salary. They would rather Brock Osweiler him than do that.
Someone will trade for him after a training camp injury at worst
Someone will trade for him after a training camp injury at worst
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree. They have their “bridge guy”. They know they’re not a Super Bowl team, and Goff wildly exceeded expectations. I see no reason they’d draft a QB early this year.
I’m starting to question whether there will be a 1st round QB this year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
There is no deadline on this, either.
The will gain that cap room, sure, but it's more important to carry that over to 2023. It's not like they need 18 mill in cap space this year to sign stud free agents.
The will gain that cap room, sure, but it's more important to carry that over to 2023. It's not like they need 18 mill in cap space this year to sign stud free agents.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yes the Browns are okay for 2022 even with Mayfield. Next season is a different story but Mayfield won't be involved in that anyway.
If they Osweiler him, then every team that can afford the contract should be interested regardless of what they have at QB.
massraider
Footballguy
Seattle doesn't have the room, by the way. They would need o clear some space.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Carolina has "noped" out of the chat.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Is he really that bad? I for one don't think so. Not as good as Baker thinks he is, but he is talented.
CLE has him by the ****s. And IMO they'd be smart to keep him almost up to the regular season. He's a cap hit in all likelihood. And there's a chance Watson doesn't even play and they'd need Baker. So I'd hold off until the DW situation becomes clearer. Cause if DW can't play, Baker should be trying extremely hard to ensure interest in him next offseason. And if DW can play, then maybe you move Baker just to get him out of the locker room
CLE has him by the ****s. And IMO they'd be smart to keep him almost up to the regular season. He's a cap hit in all likelihood. And there's a chance Watson doesn't even play and they'd need Baker. So I'd hold off until the DW situation becomes clearer. Cause if DW can't play, Baker should be trying extremely hard to ensure interest in him next offseason. And if DW can play, then maybe you move Baker just to get him out of the locker room
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Baker isnt going be the good little soldier you think he would be here. Zero chance
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lmao - nope. Spot on here. Dude went on a Twitter "goodbye cruel world, I've always loved you but never felt the love in return that I gave so freely unto you, which was my everything!" (paraphrasing, but basically same gist) rant when the Browns were merely *talking to* Watson.
There's no way in hell he's gonna be a good soldier. Completely agree.
And that rant, followed by his agent doubling down with the "irreconcilable differences" schtick likely soured him to many, many GMs and coaches, who were probably not all that sweet on him to begin with.
At this rate, Seattle will get him + a pick + CLE eating 60% of his salary just to take him off their hands.
ETA: The more I think about it, the more I believe Carroll might just roll into 2022 with Drew Lock hoping for a high draft pick in 2023.
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Craig_MiamiFL said:It'd be absolutely marvelous if Baker and Darnold were in Carolina together. For a cool combined $40 something million
yeah...I'm thinking rookie QB in Carolina.
Bracie Smathers said:
Mayfield only has one year left on his contract. He will have less value as time moves on. Who's going to trade a decent pick for a one year rental. I suspect someone will like Mayfield and make the trade with a contract extension in place.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If Baker cant fetch ANY pick, then none of the QBs should go in the 1st round this year.
I am happily trading a 5th or whatever for Baker and using my 1st elsewhere
I am happily trading a 5th or whatever for Baker and using my 1st elsewhere
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Sam Quentin
Footballguy
3 strong seasons followed by one very bad season
definitely worth a third rounder…maybe more
definitely worth a third rounder…maybe more
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
Mayfield and Minschew and maybe Wilson make the case that QBs should not play when they are not fully healthy. Those seasons are career killers.
rockaction
Footballguy
Still no arm strength for a pro quarterback.
Year Two was a disaster. He was fully healthy. I rostered him so I watched him nearly every week. It was...terrible. He played his way out of a new contract with that year.
Russ is going to get exactly what he wants. Everybody knows it was his finger last year. The only question is whether or not it has healed all the way.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Year 2 has to be a huge pass for Baker. Nobody was doing well with that coaching fiasco
rockaction
Footballguy
Name three contracts that have never been in his Kitchens.
He called a draw on fourth and thirteen or fourteen. In the NFL.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree in general, but I have a couple of non finger-related questions, mostly about his legs, and whether he can transition to more of a pocket passer. I don’t think he has the same escapability as he once did, and it hurt his overall numbers.
That said, that Seattle OL left a lot to be desired.
By QB standards, that isn't really all that much. Teddy Bridgewater made more than that, and guys like Goff, Wentz, and Garoppolo cost 15, 14, and 10 million more respectively. Mayfield is probably better or at least has more potential than any of those guys.An 18+ million dollar rental.
I wouldn't call Mayfield's 2nd season strong, but it was acceptable under the circumstances. Last year deserves a pass. I just find it weird how last year somehow seems to carry more weight than 2020.
Even beyond Mayfield being hurt, the Browns were all kinds of banged up. Chubb/Hunt both missed time. They were on their 5th string OT at one point. They just were a mediocre team, and even if they'd had Watson a year ago, they weren't going anywhere.
I'd agree with this. I don't hate this class as much as some do, and I think Willis and Howell have enough upside, that they should be 1st rounders, that said, I'd rather have Mayfield.
100% I'd rather deal a day 3 pick for Mayfield than draft a guy. I also think its silly to "tank" for the 2023 class. No guarantees that class is better. What if Bryce Young suffers a major injury, or CJ Stroud regresses a ton without Wilson/Olave? Or any other number of things that could happen.
I mean, this time a year ago, most people were expecting the 2022 draft class to be headlined by Spencer Rattler, and Aidan Hutchinson was a borderline 1st round prospect.
Gopher State
Footballguy
With 0 interest in Baker, the shark move seems to be to keep him on the roster as insurance for Watson. I not sure if anyone would even give a fifth round pick for him at this point.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The fact that he hasn't been traded yet doesnt mean there is "zero interest".
Theres a lot to hash out still with his contract, draft prep........
Ton of time left before anything realistically needs to happen
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Agreed, and the funny thing is, that would be the best thing for his rep. Say Watson gets suspended for a bunch of games as expected. Baker could then be the good soldier and if he comes in and plays well, he raises his stock, both as a player and as a locker room team guy, but I don't think that mentality is in his DNA. He would rather pout and show himself to be the immature tool that he truly is.ghostguy123 said:
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Twitter reports are that there is "mutual disinterest" between the two parties. It was actually funny reporting, but it didn't sound sanguineous for Baker's chances of going to Carolina.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
3 strong seasons followed by an injury plagued season where petulant child OBJ threw him under the bus.
Best available 2022 option for Pittsburgh.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He is still recovering from surgery so he can't participate in any off-season work. He is 'scheduled' to come back in the July/August time frame. He is ahead of Jimmy-G's recovery who isn't scheduled back until after the season begins.
Baker won't go now, ahead of the draft. After the draft music plays and teams are left without a QB another window opens. Then after he's completed his rehab from surgery, another window opens. Then a window opens if/when a starter goes down.
The two least likely way it could play out.
1. The Browns cut him and eat his entire salary and let him go anywhere he wants since Pittsburgh has been interested. Extremely unlikely, they'd keep him on the roster and deactivate him instead of allowing that to happen.
2. The Browns keep him as starter insurance when Watson gets suspended. This is the least-likely scenario since that ship has sailed.
Can't see anything happening for a while. I don't expect anything other than bluster until late summer.
Baker won't go now, ahead of the draft. After the draft music plays and teams are left without a QB another window opens. Then after he's completed his rehab from surgery, another window opens. Then a window opens if/when a starter goes down.
The two least likely way it could play out.
1. The Browns cut him and eat his entire salary and let him go anywhere he wants since Pittsburgh has been interested. Extremely unlikely, they'd keep him on the roster and deactivate him instead of allowing that to happen.
2. The Browns keep him as starter insurance when Watson gets suspended. This is the least-likely scenario since that ship has sailed.
Can't see anything happening for a while. I don't expect anything other than bluster until late summer.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Aside from an SI opinion piece that speculated the Steelers would "pounce" on Mayfield if he was released I haven't read or heard anything that says there is interest on the part of the Steelers (or Mayfield for that matter).
To me it makes absolutely no sense. The Steelers brought in Trubisky as the bridge QB and have Rudolph and Haskins signed for 2022. There is still a very good chance they'll draft a QB this year or next. I am not sure why they would they want to complicate the situation by bringing in yet another QB into the mix, especially one that is coming off a bad year, offseason surgery and supposed maturity issues.
Also I am not sure why Baker would want to sign with the Steelers unless he was going to be the starter and I can't see that being guaranteed or even likely. It would be a good "up yours" move to the Browns going to the rival Steelers but does Mayfield want to be standing on the sideline holding the clipboard for Trubisky?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Mayfield >>>>>> Trubisky, Rudolph, Haskins, 2022 rookie QBs....imo.
In an open competition that would have very little chance of happening. There is a huge drop off from Mayfield to Trubisky, bigger than the drop off (if there even is one) from Trubisky to Haskins/Rudolph.
That being said, I do think the Steelers seem pretty likely to draft a 1st round QB.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
News to me. I did a Google search and don't see any credible source stating the Steelers are interested in Baker Mayfield.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Statistics don't back up the Mayfield >>>>>> Trubisky argument but even if they did the Steelers are not going to sign Baker Mayfield.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Tony Serino of AFC North Talk had been on it since last season. I've seen/heard other Steeler sources before yesterday. Serino is credible IMHO but I've seen the same thing long before the 'story broke'. #oldnews to me
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I don't normally listen to the guy but if he "broke" the story last season he was smoking dope.
matuski
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Broke?
He was speculating BEFORE the season began and kept on-it and ramped it up months ago right after the season when that chat goes into hibernation. Broke the story? The story IS speculation. If you consider speculation BREAKING the story then yeah, he broke it long before anyone else.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I was just using your words: "Serino is credible IMHO but I've seen the same thing long before the 'story broke'."
For me this is a complete non-story. The Steelers are not going to sign Baker Mayfield and even if they wanted to Mayfield would not agree to the terms the Steelers would offer.
The whole thing is silly.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
OK, whatever. I had heard it long before 'it' became a story and from a source we both deem credible.
Now, think about WHY the Steelers would leak this? Think hard because it makes sense. Wondering if you can figure it out.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Here's a name I haven't see in a while, waddup Brunell?Brunell4MVP said:
-I am going to put a thread up on Baker, his numbers are actually pretty good 2 of his first 3 seasons, QBR around 95 which is higher than many other starting QBs around the league. Baker has limitations as well but I think a fresh start somewhere other than Cleveland is a good idea for him. It would be better if he could land somewhere that has a decent team already.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
This is what I am reading:
"According to Cleveland Browns reporter Mary Kay Cabot, if the Browns release quarterback Baker Mayfield, the Pittsburgh Steelers would be one of the first teams to try to sign him. Cabot was on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast and in her words, the Steelers would “pounce” on the opportunity. This is via Sports Illustrated."
https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/03/22/steelers-baker-mayfield-free-agent-rumors-browns-deshaun-watson
I don't see Cabot claiming anyone associated with the Steelers as her source. In fact she doesn't claim a source at all - it appears to be her opinion on a Browns radio broadcast. It is a pretty big leap to say the Steelers leaked anything based on this.
If you have a link showing Cabot, Serino or anyone else claiming to have a source on the Steelers having expressed an interest in Baker Mayfield I would love to see it.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Dude, take a pill with the over-the-top aggressiveness. Seriously, chill.
The 'story' IS speculation and I'm assuming you know what that means so 'the story', i.e., SPECULATION was being 'reported' by Serino for months and months.
Now figure out why this got leaked because MKC doesn't 'report' this without it being fed to her. Now I doubt you can figure it out when it is pretty obvious IMHO.
I mean, that is a crazy amount of greater than signs. Maybe it should be more like Mayfield>>Trubisky?
That said, Mayfield is clearly better. Trubisky has a better comp% and fewer INT's, which is because he's incapable of throwing the ball more than 15 yards downfield. Mayfield wins in literally every other category, and by a lot in things like YPA, PFF grade, QBR, and YPG. Trubisky has also had a better team around him for the most part.
I agree its not likely the Steelers end up with Mayfield, they seem far more likely to draft a guy at #20, or even trade up.
