Big Nate
Footballguy
Jayden Daniels and Young are very very different type of QBs. Actually very few QBs are like Daniels. So why use that comp? Something he could never get to.
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QB Bryce Young, CAR (1 Viewer)
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
I used it as an arbitrary "he's not going to turn into a star" analogy.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Figured he would get another shot at being the starting QB for an NFL team. Just didn't think it would be this soon. He still hasn't played well, but I cant imagine the Panthers go back to Dalton at this point. Right?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yeah, guys, sorry, but he is NOT the future. I think that was quite evident the first time he got benched but it's even more evident now.
You REALLY want to die on this hill don’t you, lol?
Saying it’s clearly evident after he’s strung together two straight victories and looked the best he’s looked as a pro is diabolical.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Whose on what hill, again?
I don't know what game you were watching, but his performance was not indicative of a franchise QB. Whether they won or not is mostly irrelevant.
All one has to do is go back one page on this thread to find the hill lol.
You were very adamant when Carolina benched him that they were done with him. They are obviously not because he’s now starting over a healthy Dalton.
I’m just saying coming in here and doubling down on your take after he just won two consecutive games is kind of weird.
I’m not saying he is going to be Carolina’s franchise QB but they obviously still want that to be the case. They’ve pretty much backed themselves into that corner with what they gave up to draft him.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I AM saying that - which is what I'm arguing. Whether CAR wants that or not is irrelevant too. I think he's shown enough that he's not a franchise QB for any team. Maybe a solid backup, but I'm not seeing anything now and previously that would indicate CAR is going to keep him. I'm guessing they draft a QB next year.
This does not sound like a CAR coaching staff that believes Young is the future and even bolsters my assertion:
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Footballguy
I’d love to see Bryce traded away from Carolina. Not sure where actually makes sense except maybe Cleveland or the rams - backup Stafford for a while.
He’s made some big throws. He’s also had some guys drop some as well. Looks poised.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Don't look now but Bryce starting to stack ok/good performances out there.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
He has shown progression and deserves to keep playing.
Bryce Young might be good?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Update?
Dizzy
Footballguy
Yeah, let's go with that.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I stand by what I said. Is he progressing? A little bit, but not in any way shape or form that indicates anything meaningful, IMO.
Let's see where he's at the end of next season if CAR plans on keeping him around just to make sure.
Agreed. I think given what we've seen at this level, "might be good" seems appropriate for today.
Little early for victory lapping. We do better here I think when we discuss players and less of each other.
I'm mostly encouraged for the guy. Definite signs of improvement. Hopefully he can keep stacking good games.
I'm mostly encouraged for the guy. Definite signs of improvement. Hopefully he can keep stacking good games.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think the Young and Richardson turnarounds are poster children for teams rushing highly drafted QBs into starting roles right away. For every Stroud, Daniels and Nix that seem to hit the ground running, the landscape is littered with very promising QBs that initially fail and could have used a bit of seasoning/clipboard holding until truly ready. As has been said elsewhere, it takes a village to create QB success, and it better be there right away.
Unfortunately though, these days economic realities and the job security of coaches/GMs don't typically allow for patience.
Unfortunately though, these days economic realities and the job security of coaches/GMs don't typically allow for patience.
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Agreed. It's still a huge step to the NFL. Even from top college programs.
Those of us old enough to remember, know that "sit and wait" used to be more normal.
I know there were others before, but Peyton Manning jumping into the starting spot was the first one I remember as being a "Wow, right to it" thing.
There also seems to be such value now in the "cheap" rookie contract window that teams want to get as much out of that window as possible.
zamboni
Footballguy
Good point. The enormous value of QBs undoubtedly causes teams to see what they have in their franchise QB early on, before they have to decide whether to pony up or move on to the next one.
massraider
Footballguy
I think it has a lot to do with organizational stability and competence.
I think some of these guys who were rushed and failed would have performed better if they had a better organization around them. What if Sam Darnold had been with the Vikings his entire career? Same for Geno Smith. How many QBs were dealt a hand as bad as Zach Wilson?
You look in hindsight at the people making decisions, on and off the field, for some of these young flameout QBs, and so many of these people are gone, no longer have jobs in the league.
PFF has long said that the player they get wrong most is QB, and I will always think it's because from the owner choosing a GM, to a the coach, to the OC, if they are bad choices, it makes the QB look bad worst of all. Look at Chicago. Player revolt over the OC, and Eberflus is gonna be in the Rich Kotite discussion (especially once Kliff takes over next year, and Caleb crushes it).
It's nice that Bryce is not a complete disaster, but I don't like the front office, and he has major physical limitations. I think both cap his upside.
I think some of these guys who were rushed and failed would have performed better if they had a better organization around them. What if Sam Darnold had been with the Vikings his entire career? Same for Geno Smith. How many QBs were dealt a hand as bad as Zach Wilson?
You look in hindsight at the people making decisions, on and off the field, for some of these young flameout QBs, and so many of these people are gone, no longer have jobs in the league.
PFF has long said that the player they get wrong most is QB, and I will always think it's because from the owner choosing a GM, to a the coach, to the OC, if they are bad choices, it makes the QB look bad worst of all. Look at Chicago. Player revolt over the OC, and Eberflus is gonna be in the Rich Kotite discussion (especially once Kliff takes over next year, and Caleb crushes it).
It's nice that Bryce is not a complete disaster, but I don't like the front office, and he has major physical limitations. I think both cap his upside.
Max Power
Footballguy
The biggest difference is that he looks more confident with what he wants to do each drop back. He knows where he wants to go with the ball and has some wiggle to extend plays and make things happen.
The downside is that he does look limited athletically. DE/LBs close on him fast and limit his throw windows. I think he did a great job making plays during the Bucs game, but I have a hard time seeing it as sustainable or even a guy that can elevate his team to the next level. He has probably earned the starting job in 25, but I still struggle to see a Franchise guy in him.
The downside is that he does look limited athletically. DE/LBs close on him fast and limit his throw windows. I think he did a great job making plays during the Bucs game, but I have a hard time seeing it as sustainable or even a guy that can elevate his team to the next level. He has probably earned the starting job in 25, but I still struggle to see a Franchise guy in him.
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Agreed. Colin Cowherd talks about this a great deal. We all love Mahomes. And he's truly great. But there's no denying he hit the trust fund kid lottery for landing spot. Sit behind a pro like Alex Smith. Great coach in Andy Reid. Great organization. Great Owner. Great GM. Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill. Not saying he wouldn't have been good in other places. But he had the easiest path to success of any QB in a while.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
We call that The Green Bay Packers QB Model™.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Brady talked about this in an interview recently. I mean it's coming from the mouth of someone who obviously knows.
PFN Article
Current NFL contract situations are out of control for QBs IMHO and thus skewing the proper process of development. Teams are forcing guys who simply are not ready because they need to win with them on a rookie contract while there's still talent elsewhere on the roster that they might lose down the road, so the windows of winning are becoming smaller.
PFN Article
Current NFL contract situations are out of control for QBs IMHO and thus skewing the proper process of development. Teams are forcing guys who simply are not ready because they need to win with them on a rookie contract while there's still talent elsewhere on the roster that they might lose down the road, so the windows of winning are becoming smaller.
Balco
Footballguy
I read that the coaching staff has been emphasizing getting to the line as quick as possible so that Young has more time to process. Is that all it took?
stratocatter
Footballguy
Everything is a factor. There are two main things. I think. He saw Dalton getting the ball out, quick, even if a hit was coming.
Young was not a stand in there guy, at all. Bail out the first sign of pressure or covered targets. I think he was scared tbh. Of getting killed, of getting picked, whatever. Both probably. But watching Dalton told the truth about what it takes. You can't wait for 'Alabama open', stand in and pull the trigger.
I could use a couple of paragraphs to elaborate but the short story is the mechanics are the second big thing. Canales changed them. Look at the Buffalo preseason series, you see the work, the change. Look at the season opener, that was abandoned by the 2nd quarter. Next game, same thing. Gone. Welcome to the bench Bryce.
I have not rewatched yesterday but I think they are still mostly intact. Last I looked close, they need tightening up but are much improved. The emphasis on 1-2-3-plant, throw, is all with that in mind I think. The 2.7 seconds or under goes hand in hand with that.
I just couldn't stand watching him play until the KC game really, and that was very enjoyable. Yesterday, same for the most part. It seems that they are sold, so I hope he keeps it up because he was unwatchable, and the team was the same.
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Footballguy
Same, although he might be taking #2 over Purdy. Caleb, purdy, Bryce and Winston isn’t great but it will hopefully suffice.
joey
Footballguy
Lamar, Bryce, Carr…
TampaMike19
Footballguy
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Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
I think the most important factors here is he's gaining confidence, showing a little moxie/fire, and doesn't look like a deer in headlights. He seems like a nice enough kid, wishing him the best. If he gets his mind right, which he looks like he's well on the way to that destination, we'll finally get to see if his skillset does or does not translate to NFL success.
Jacob's Ladder
Footballguy
It will really help if they get Coker back. He passed the eye test for me. It's unfortunate the injury bug struck right when he was gaining momentum and Bryce started to look like a quarterback. Legette is a project and Thielen is solid, but obviously old and slowing down rapidly. Coker might be the most exciting prospect at WR on their team. That kind of size in the slot will be difficult to deal with.That’s because they don’t have a single soul that knows how to get open right nowx.com
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The rookie contract factor is important but can be overstated. A rookie gets a 4 year deal, and unless he's in the top 6-7 or so picks, the first year will cost under $5m. If he sits for a year, you still have 2 full seasons to get a look at the player before you have to make a decision whether to offer a second contract for the big money. It takes some planning obviously and your veteran starter can throw a wrench into the mix, for example if he wins two consecutive NFL MVP awards when he's 38 years old as Aaron Rodgers did, making the young kid hold a clip board a couple seasons longer than expected. Even in that situation though, the Packers were able to do a one-year "prove-it" extension with Love to get a full season look at him at low cost and no risk. Some guys will be ready as rookies but I think when GMs and coaches rush these guys into starting roles its because they haven't planned well and are under so much job pressure, sometimes they make judgement errors.
joey
Footballguy
Agreed.
And it’s interesting to me that this year, for the first time that I can remember at least, TWO teams (Panthers and Colts) took the same path of benching their young franchise QB and let them watch a vet QB for a few games. I think/hope it’ll serve both of those young QBs well.
(Or was one of those benching due to injury. I can’t remember now)
