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QB C.J. Stroud, HOU (1 Viewer)

Everyone has the same concern with Stroud - he’s got at least 3 NFL linemen and 2-3 NFL level receivers on his offense throughout college so it’s hard to get a read on him.
Sure, but his competition also had NFL-level defensive players, so I would think that would balance out.

How many future NFL players did Stroud shred in the Peach Bowl?

Just saying, that knife cuts both ways.

I do appreciate the clarification though - it sounded like consensus was that he was going to be a bust because of this one metric, which seems ridiculous in light of the success he’s had.

Of course there’s the Ohio State stigma as well.

At this point I’m likely to draft a QB at 1.02 so this subject is near and dear to me. I would prefer the NFL-sized QB, but that’s just because Bryce Young is 2’ 3” and 67 LBs. :oldunsure:
 
This won't be popular because I am talking about what seems like a great young man and athlete, but I am struggling to get over the Jared Goff comp. For one, to me, it's spot on when I think about the two of them on field. Then this S2 kookiness hits and I can't help but recall the Hard Knocks episode with Goof and his lack of awareness of which direction the sun sets. :bag:
 
This won't be popular because I am talking about what seems like a great young man and athlete, but I am struggling to get over the Jared Goff comp. For one, to me, it's spot on when I think about the two of them on field. Then this S2 kookiness hits and I can't help but recall the Hard Knocks episode with Goof and his lack of awareness of which direction the sun sets. :bag:
The S2 guy was on PFF, and he said a bunch of the leaked info was incorrect.

Hearing that Stroud scored in the 18th percentile on some fresh new score is much more exciting than finding out that none of these scores are confirmed (except the Purdy score, which the S2 people leaked, for obvious reasons).
 
I wonder if this would be considered actionable - huge ramifications if a bogus report cratered a player’s draft stock.

Yikes.

Yes, but we’ve established that Peter King is wrong a lot, so…
I doubt it has ramifications. The teams know the actual scores. The media isn’t drafting anybody.
 
I wonder if this would be considered actionable - huge ramifications if a bogus report cratered a player’s draft stock.

Yikes.

Yes, but we’ve established that Peter King is wrong a lot, so…
I doubt it has ramifications. The teams know the actual scores. The media isn’t drafting anybody.
True - Vegas betting lines are the most impacted.

I doubt degenerate gamblers would be able to sue whomever “leaked” the bogus info.

Vegas will likely make a killing if Stroud goes 1.01 after all.

All along I questioned that “18 percentile” score for Stroud. Incongruous with his college play. Hell, it’s incongruous with his HS play from what I’ve read. It certainly didn’t jive with what I observed on the field.

It did, however, feed directly into the helmet scouting “look at all the talent around him” narrative - as though the excellence he’s shown his entire career was fraudulent.

It’s amazing people buy into that nonsense, but even smart people fall victim to confirmation bias.
 
one club executive said, “’But, we’ve never had somebody grade low and play well.’
NFL Rookie Watch
@NFLRookieWatxh
CJ Stroud reportedly scored an “18%” on the S2 cognition test, a cognitive test that focuses on processing and decision-making. Stroud’s score was the lowest of all reported scores from this year’s QB draft class. Every other QB’s score was at least 28% higher than Stroud’s

I know this is a shooting the messenger reply, but 28% more than 18 is 23. Every other QB's score was at least 28 POINTS higher than Stroud's.
 
one club executive said, “’But, we’ve never had somebody grade low and play well.’
NFL Rookie Watch
@NFLRookieWatxh
CJ Stroud reportedly scored an “18%” on the S2 cognition test, a cognitive test that focuses on processing and decision-making. Stroud’s score was the lowest of all reported scores from this year’s QB draft class. Every other QB’s score was at least 28% higher than Stroud’s

I know this is a shooting the messenger reply, but 28% more than 18 is 23. Every other QB's score was at least 28 POINTS higher than Stroud's.
But we’re now learning that the 18% is likely a bogus, fraudulent manipulated leak.

Chances are he scored far higher than 18%

Right now we can’t trust anything on that alleged leak, as the folks at S2 verified that “at least 2” of the allegedly leaked scores were fictional.

So you’re making this definitive statement on the foundation of what is apparently a lie.
 
In case anyone missed the news (I did 5 days ago)

You can’t trust anything on that leaked “result” as at last 2 scores are bogus, and the company itself said it was inaccurate.

"We're obviously aware of scores being leaked," the founder of the S2 Cognition test said. "We're not sure where that's coming from. I will say take some of those with a grain of salt."

I would suggest that Stroud is still very much in play for the 1.01, and far likelier than Vegas odds would lead us to believe.

ETA: straight from the horse’s mouth
 
one club executive said, “’But, we’ve never had somebody grade low and play well.’
NFL Rookie Watch
@NFLRookieWatxh
CJ Stroud reportedly scored an “18%” on the S2 cognition test, a cognitive test that focuses on processing and decision-making. Stroud’s score was the lowest of all reported scores from this year’s QB draft class. Every other QB’s score was at least 28% higher than Stroud’s

I know this is a shooting the messenger reply, but 28% more than 18 is 23. Every other QB's score was at least 28 POINTS higher than Stroud's.
But we’re now learning that the 18% is likely a bogus, fraudulent manipulated leak.

Chances are he scored far higher than 18%

Right now we can’t trust anything on that alleged leak, as the folks at S2 verified that “at least 2” of the allegedly leaked scores were fictional.

So you’re making this definitive statement on the foundation of what is apparently a lie.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I am making any statement other than "math is hard", and people don't know how TF percentages work.
 
I didn't mean to make it sound like I am making any statement other than "math is hard", and people don't know how TF percentages work.
Oh yeah - I wasn’t shooting the messenger. Just pointing out that the narrative should change since we don’t actually know that Stroud scored in the 18 percentile, and reporting would strongly suggest that his score was one of the fraudulent ones.

Probably leaked by the Colts. lol
 
A few things on the S2 scores:

1. The guy from S2 never said it was Stroud's scores he termed as bogus. That's assumed by people and everyone is running with it like it's fact.

2. The test results are the test results and I'd disagree on him terming them bogus. Sure context matters but bogus is saying the test scores are not accurate and that's actually bogus. But just because Stroud might have scored low, re-took the test and improved, does make the initial score bogus, it just means he scored higher later. I'd still be willing to bet he scored less then the other 3 top QB's.

I don't think this has anything to do with fact he's not going top 3. Pick 4 is his ceiling. No ambiguity here or covering my bases, that's as succinct as I can put it and if I'm wrong I'll own it.
 
1. The guy from S2 never said it was Stroud's scores he termed as bogus. That's assumed by people and everyone is running with it like it's fact.
I’m assuming that none of the scores released are accurate.
I assume the opposite.
We have the company saying at least 2 are definitely false.

It’s a bizarre scenario regardless.

Imagine a team sitting at 4, 7, 8 needing a QB.

Great way to cause one to fall without having to trade up. I’m just sayin. :shrug:
 
We have the company saying at least 2 are definitely false.
He's in CYA mode. Saw his interview on McAffee show and he started by saying something about he could not speak on specifics on advice of his attorney.

I sort of addressed his claim they are false. I don't really agree with his terminology. I think he's claiming they are false because the players took additional tests and scored differently then the scores that got released. That to me does not make the initial reported scores as false.

Imagine a team sitting at 4, 7, 8 needing a QB.
You don't think those teams have access to the testing scores? Anytime you see a stream of negativity late in the process it does make you question if an agenda is at play. But if teams know the actual scores what is the play here?
 
You don't think those teams have access to the testing scores? Anytime you see a stream of negativity late in the process it does make you question if an agenda is at play. But if teams know the actual scores what is the play here?
They probably have to pay for them, no? Maybe not every team buys into this test - it’s somewhat new.

I guess it would be a better initiative by gamblers looking to throw off the market for better return on a wager to flood the zone with BS though.
 
I'm starting to wonder if Arizona is a team that is a sneaky Stroud landing spot. Murray has an out in 2024, and an ACL injury (and how much will that change his game?) this year. With the Cards nowhere near contending, I wonder if they may look toward the future at #3.

As much I think Stroud is nowhere near the prospect Young is, he's still too good to fall too far. I think 2-6 is his range. I have a hard time seeing him seriously being in play for the Falcons or Titans without a trade up.
 
I'm starting to wonder if Arizona is a team that is a sneaky Stroud landing spot. Murray has an out in 2024
No chance man. That entire team going to Murray for his statue celebration during a busy time of the year is no small thing, that was a genuine show of commitment and support.
 
You don't think those teams have access to the testing scores? Anytime you see a stream of negativity late in the process it does make you question if an agenda is at play. But if teams know the actual scores what is the play here?
They probably have to pay for them, no? Maybe not every team buys into this test - it’s somewhat new.

I guess it would be a better initiative by gamblers looking to throw off the market for better return on a wager to flood the zone with BS though.
That test has been around since 2014. I think the teams can afford the info if they don't already have it.

I actually gave this a long thought the other day and my guess is if anyone has an agenda it's the Texans. Not to hurt his draft stock, that does not matter to them. It's because they know are not picking him so they are getting ahead of PR by trying to make him look bad to decrease blowback for passing on him. Additionally they hate his agent and if they can smear one of his players even better.

But I think the basis of it all is accurate, Stroud did poorly on those tests. I will again say I don't think that's why I am feeling strong he is not a top 3 pick and I could flip a coin right now on if Indy prefers him or not.
 
I actually gave this a long thought the other day and my guess is if anyone has an agenda it's the Texans. Not to hurt his draft stock, that does not matter to them. It's because they know are not picking him so they are getting ahead of PR by trying to make him look bad to decrease blowback for passing on him. Additionally they hate his agent and if they can smear one of his players even better.
Sensible hypothesis.
 
I actually gave this a long thought the other day and my guess is if anyone has an agenda it's the Texans. Not to hurt his draft stock, that does not matter to them. It's because they know are not picking him so they are getting ahead of PR by trying to make him look bad to decrease blowback for passing on him.

#This
 
But I think the basis of it all is accurate, Stroud did poorly on those tests. I will again say I don't think that's why I am feeling strong he is not a top 3 pick and I could flip a coin right now on if Indy prefers him or not.
Well, the S2 guy also said that 1 guy came in late, was irritated and didn’t want to test, but did anyway.

It’s valuable to acknowledge that athletes are people and already have potentially stressful pre-draft process - if this test is icing on the cake, and combined with extenuating circumstances I could see how bombing it under those circumstances might not be as damning as the results alone might indicate.
 
You don't think those teams have access to the testing scores? Anytime you see a stream of negativity late in the process it does make you question if an agenda is at play. But if teams know the actual scores what is the play here?
They probably have to pay for them, no? Maybe not every team buys into this test - it’s somewhat new.

I guess it would be a better initiative by gamblers looking to throw off the market for better return on a wager to flood the zone with BS though.
That test has been around since 2014. I think the teams can afford the info if they don't already have it.

I actually gave this a long thought the other day and my guess is if anyone has an agenda it's the Texans. Not to hurt his draft stock, that does not matter to them. It's because they know are not picking him so they are getting ahead of PR by trying to make him look bad to decrease blowback for passing on him. Additionally they hate his agent and if they can smear one of his players even better.

But I think the basis of it all is accurate, Stroud did poorly on those tests. I will again say I don't think that's why I am feeling strong he is not a top 3 pick and I could flip a coin right now on if Indy prefers him or not.
Colts love them all, hate them all, are ready to move up and ready to move down. This is what you deal with if you're a Colts fan leading up to the draft.
 
one club executive said, “’But, we’ve never had somebody grade low and play well.’
NFL Rookie Watch
@NFLRookieWatxh
CJ Stroud reportedly scored an “18%” on the S2 cognition test, a cognitive test that focuses on processing and decision-making. Stroud’s score was the lowest of all reported scores from this year’s QB draft class. Every other QB’s score was at least 28% higher than Stroud’s

I know this is a shooting the messenger reply, but 28% more than 18 is 23. Every other QB's score was at least 28 POINTS higher than Stroud's.
But we’re now learning that the 18% is likely a bogus, fraudulent manipulated leak.

Chances are he scored far higher than 18%

Right now we can’t trust anything on that alleged leak, as the folks at S2 verified that “at least 2” of the allegedly leaked scores were fictional.

So you’re making this definitive statement on the foundation of what is apparently a lie.
I didn't mean to make it sound like I am making any statement other than "math is hard", and people don't know how TF percentages work.

I literally just read this one for the first time.
 
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CJ Stroud is now reportedly the favorite to go third overall tonight at the NFL Draft. The Tennessee Titans reportedly “love” Stroud and are exploring ways to move up to third overall. The Titans have reportedly “lost faith” in last year’s third round pick Malik Willis as well. However, Stroud is the only QB the Texans have not “ruled out” at the second overall pick besides Bryce Young. If Stroud is to go Top-3, he would be the highest selected Buckeyes QB EVER
 
NFL Rookie Watch @NFLRookieWatxh
CJ Stroud is now reportedly the favorite to go third overall tonight at the NFL Draft. The Tennessee Titans reportedly “love” Stroud and are exploring ways to move up to third overall. The Titans have reportedly “lost faith” in last year’s third round pick Malik Willis as well. However, Stroud is the only QB the Texans have not “ruled out” at the second overall pick besides Bryce Young. If Stroud is to go Top-3, he would be the highest selected Buckeyes QB EVER
Titans fan here--I'm in love with the idea of Stroud. Kind of doubt it will happen, but would love to see an aggressive move up to get him.
If not Stroud, get me JSN and tank for Caleb Williams.
 
NFL Rookie Watch @NFLRookieWatxh
CJ Stroud is now reportedly the favorite to go third overall tonight at the NFL Draft. The Tennessee Titans reportedly “love” Stroud and are exploring ways to move up to third overall. The Titans have reportedly “lost faith” in last year’s third round pick Malik Willis as well. However, Stroud is the only QB the Texans have not “ruled out” at the second overall pick besides Bryce Young. If Stroud is to go Top-3, he would be the highest selected Buckeyes QB EVER
Titans fan here--I'm in love with the idea of Stroud. Kind of doubt it will happen, but would love to see an aggressive move up to get him.
If not Stroud, get me JSN and tank for Caleb Williams.
It would be stroud+Hopkins, so from that perspective I’d be pretty thrilled as. Titans fan if it happens.
 

Texans selected Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud with the No. 2 overall pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.​

The latest — and greatest — prospect to come off what has become the Buckeyes’ quarterback assembly line, Stroud (6’3/214) blew up the box score en route to back-to-back top-four Heisman finishes in 2021-22, producing 85 touchdowns to only 12 interceptions. He completed over 69 percent of his passes while averaging nearly 10 yards per attempt. The environment, of course, helped. Stroud was playing with at least three future first-round receivers, as well as two of the top offensive tackles in the 2023 class. That allowed Stroud to sit back and dissect overwhelmed opposing defenses. But that is never a given, and Stroud used his clean pockets to attack defenses rather than sit back. Stroud’s accuracy, arm strength, and ball placement are all first-round level. Stroud does need to improve outside of structure and would stand to benefit from using his legs a little more. He is nevertheless worthy of the second overall pick and every bit a potential franchise player. Having settled on the best thrower of the ball available to them, Houston should see a considerable uptick in their pass production this year. Nico Collins currently stands to benefit the most from this move, though the Texans could be eying more receiving talent with pick No. 12.
Apr 27, 2023, 8:26 PM ET
 
Benjamin Solak is tweeting this is interesting pick based on his knowledge how HOU scouting works. From his understanding Stroud wasn't the 2nd QB on the board and Levis may have been. Suggested ownership may have stepped in for the pick and overruled. Might be something to keep an eye on
 

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