QB Cam Newton, Retired (2 Viewers)

[MAC_32]

...and he will only have himself to blame if he doesn't continue the trend today. Twitter's been correctly killing Tampa's predictable defensive scheme all year, so the Panthers should know what's coming. Their scheme continues to fail yet they won't adjust. It's hilarious.

Coaches aren't stupid. Even Schiano. He might be an ##### and have the wrong personality for an NFL head coach but he's not stupid. Neither is his defensive coach. There's probably a damn good reason they aren't using Revis in man-to-man. He's probably not ready for it after the knee issue.

Everyone was lambasting the Bills coach last year for not using Spiller more, and instead using Fred Jackson in key situations. The coach said Spiller wasn't an every-down player. Guess what happened? Spiller played the every-down role this year, got hurt, and now Fred Jackson is doing well. Coaches aren't dumb.

According to the people I follow on twitter he looks plenty capable of playing man, when I've watched the All 22 I've seen the same.

The Harry Douglas TD Sunday had me rolling. Revis is on the other side of the field covering the flat, the rookie Banks gets burned vs. Douglas, while the safety bites on a pump fake - bam, no one within 5 yards of Douglas, TD. Pay the guy all that money to play zone corner in Cover 2 and Cover 6. Hilarious.

 

[MAC_32]

Schiano's offensive philosophy of - hey Vincent and Mike, go down the field and catch a jump ball - is working wonders for this offense too.

Maybe my expectations are too high for tonight, but I expect to laugh more at this team than my Brandon Weeden led Browns...and I've been doing a lot of laughing over the last year and a half watching this schlub try to play QB.

 

[The Commish]

Cam is on pace to be 1 of 2 quarterbacks to have +6.16 ay/pa during their first 3 seasons (minimum 6 starts)

Dan Marino is the other

This is the component that still doesn't smell right though. His consistency issues are most problematic when going down field. If his first read is there long he usually hits them, but when it's not his first read it's messy. Resetting his feet, eyes, stepping into the throw vs. the rush, etc. Get him rattled early and all of this usually falls apart. This may also be driven by poor play around him, if they don't play well instead of elevating his game Cam follows the herd. Totally different story than the ypa though.

On the throw to Lafell for the big touchdown Lafell was his third read.

I saw. One play does not make a sample. It was a very good play by Cam. It's not something he has done often.

Do it again. And again.

Keep hating.

You are brutal.

You make decisions based off one play? one game?

Personally, I prefer to see trends.

Once is an occurrence, twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend.

Still waiting on that trend with Cam...

What do you see in his last 12-13 games?? That should be enough for a trend right? You're a caricature of what I predict will happen. Cam's been one of the best down the field since he stepped into the league, but that doesn't count because a lot of those are his first read. Endless examples of "well, he did that but....." in these Cam threads. It's pretty funny and why I'm pretty comfortable with my assessment that no matter what happens tonight, Cam's still going to be a turd to a lot of you. It's fine to believe whatever you want, but just own what you're doing.

Personally? I'm more concerned about the actual play calling. I'm praying with everything that I have that Rivera and Shula don't go into a shell and become the chicken ####s they were early in the year. This is a rivalry game for the Panthers. They need to come out guns a blazin' and cut the head off the snake early.

 

[Slapdash]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam. I couldn't stand the guy in college and really wanted him to fail in the NFL.

I thought he wouldn't be able to adapt when facing NFL defenses when he couldn't overpower the defensive rushers and wait for coverage to break down. I was wrong from his first game.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam.

Kinda like the identifying porn analogy, I don't know but I'll let you know when I see it.

There's no denying his numbers, but football is a whole lot more than the boxscore, can't think of anything nearly as subjective as this game. It's why I love it as much as I do. No matter how much you know about the game you'll never know it all.

 

[Slapdash]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam.

Kinda like the identifying porn analogy, I don't know but I'll let you know when I see it.There's no denying his numbers, but football is a whole lot more than the boxscore, can't think of anything nearly as subjective as this game. It's why I love it as much as I do. No matter how much you know about the game you'll never know it all.

Soccer is a lot more subjective IMO.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam.

Kinda like the identifying porn analogy, I don't know but I'll let you know when I see it.There's no denying his numbers, but football is a whole lot more than the boxscore, can't think of anything nearly as subjective as this game. It's why I love it as much as I do. No matter how much you know about the game you'll never know it all.

Soccer is a lot more subjective IMO.

Ok, subjective and entertaining.

 

[pantherclub]

Cam is on pace to be 1 of 2 quarterbacks to have +6.16 ay/pa during their first 3 seasons (minimum 6 starts)

Dan Marino is the other

This is the component that still doesn't smell right though. His consistency issues are most problematic when going down field. If his first read is there long he usually hits them, but when it's not his first read it's messy. Resetting his feet, eyes, stepping into the throw vs. the rush, etc. Get him rattled early and all of this usually falls apart. This may also be driven by poor play around him, if they don't play well instead of elevating his game Cam follows the herd. Totally different story than the ypa though.

On the throw to Lafell for the big touchdown Lafell was his third read.

I saw. One play does not make a sample. It was a very good play by Cam. It's not something he has done often.

Do it again. And again.

you are one weird dude

 

[The Commish]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam. I couldn't stand the guy in college and really wanted him to fail in the NFL.

I thought he wouldn't be able to adapt when facing NFL defenses when he couldn't overpower the defensive rushers and wait for coverage to break down. I was wrong from his first game.

Him retiring. Everyone starts with a list...then as the player begins checking off boxes, more are added. It's not unique to Cam though. I see it all the time and have never understood it. I guess some just don't like to be wrong

 

[MAC_32]

Cam is on pace to be 1 of 2 quarterbacks to have +6.16 ay/pa during their first 3 seasons (minimum 6 starts)

Dan Marino is the other

This is the component that still doesn't smell right though. His consistency issues are most problematic when going down field. If his first read is there long he usually hits them, but when it's not his first read it's messy. Resetting his feet, eyes, stepping into the throw vs. the rush, etc. Get him rattled early and all of this usually falls apart. This may also be driven by poor play around him, if they don't play well instead of elevating his game Cam follows the herd. Totally different story than the ypa though.

On the throw to Lafell for the big touchdown Lafell was his third read.

I saw. One play does not make a sample. It was a very good play by Cam. It's not something he has done often.

Do it again. And again.

you are one weird dude

Thank you.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam. I couldn't stand the guy in college and really wanted him to fail in the NFL.

I thought he wouldn't be able to adapt when facing NFL defenses when he couldn't overpower the defensive rushers and wait for coverage to break down. I was wrong from his first game.

Him retiring. Everyone starts with a list...then as the player begins checking off boxes, more are added. It's not unique to Cam though. I see it all the time and have never understood it. I guess some just don't like to be wrong

I would have LOVED to have been wrong about Weeden...or Brady Quinn...or Charlie Frye...or...well, you get it.

 

[The Commish]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam. I couldn't stand the guy in college and really wanted him to fail in the NFL.

I thought he wouldn't be able to adapt when facing NFL defenses when he couldn't overpower the defensive rushers and wait for coverage to break down. I was wrong from his first game.

Him retiring. Everyone starts with a list...then as the player begins checking off boxes, more are added. It's not unique to Cam though. I see it all the time and have never understood it. I guess some just don't like to be wrong

I would have LOVED to have been wrong about Weeden...or Brady Quinn...or Charlie Frye...or...well, you get it.

Is there a reason you avoided my 12 - 13 game "trend" question? And now are we to the point where you are comparing these guys to Cam?

 

[MAC_32]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam. I couldn't stand the guy in college and really wanted him to fail in the NFL.

I thought he wouldn't be able to adapt when facing NFL defenses when he couldn't overpower the defensive rushers and wait for coverage to break down. I was wrong from his first game.

Him retiring. Everyone starts with a list...then as the player begins checking off boxes, more are added. It's not unique to Cam though. I see it all the time and have never understood it. I guess some just don't like to be wrong

I would have LOVED to have been wrong about Weeden...or Brady Quinn...or Charlie Frye...or...well, you get it.

Is there a reason you avoided my 12 - 13 game "trend" question? And now are we to the point where you are comparing these guys to Cam?

I didn't compare them.

You see a 12-13 game 'trend,' I see him playing well in games that don't matter and poorly in games that do matter. He had an opportunity to buck that trend in September, but came out and laid 3 eggs in the first 4 games, which is very similar to his start last year too.

 

[The Commish]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam. I couldn't stand the guy in college and really wanted him to fail in the NFL.

I thought he wouldn't be able to adapt when facing NFL defenses when he couldn't overpower the defensive rushers and wait for coverage to break down. I was wrong from his first game.

Him retiring. Everyone starts with a list...then as the player begins checking off boxes, more are added. It's not unique to Cam though. I see it all the time and have never understood it. I guess some just don't like to be wrong

I would have LOVED to have been wrong about Weeden...or Brady Quinn...or Charlie Frye...or...well, you get it.

Is there a reason you avoided my 12 - 13 game "trend" question? And now are we to the point where you are comparing these guys to Cam?

I didn't compare them.

You see a 12-13 game 'trend,' I see him playing well in games that don't matter and poorly in games that do matter. He had an opportunity to buck that trend in September, but came out and laid 3 eggs in the first 4 games, which is very similar to his start last year too.

Fair enough....the mental gymnastics are astounding but thanks for making my point from earlier....keep fighting the good fight. By the way....did you happen to see anything in the coaching that has changed in any of those games? Just wondering...something tells me that you haven't even watched the games and just looked at boxscores despite saying there's more to this game than boxscores, but I could be wrong.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam. I couldn't stand the guy in college and really wanted him to fail in the NFL.

I thought he wouldn't be able to adapt when facing NFL defenses when he couldn't overpower the defensive rushers and wait for coverage to break down. I was wrong from his first game.

Him retiring. Everyone starts with a list...then as the player begins checking off boxes, more are added. It's not unique to Cam though. I see it all the time and have never understood it. I guess some just don't like to be wrong

I would have LOVED to have been wrong about Weeden...or Brady Quinn...or Charlie Frye...or...well, you get it.

Is there a reason you avoided my 12 - 13 game "trend" question? And now are we to the point where you are comparing these guys to Cam?

I didn't compare them.

You see a 12-13 game 'trend,' I see him playing well in games that don't matter and poorly in games that do matter. He had an opportunity to buck that trend in September, but came out and laid 3 eggs in the first 4 games, which is very similar to his start last year too.

Fair enough....the mental gymnastics are astounding but thanks for making my point from earlier....keep fighting the good fight. By the way....did you happen to see anything in the coaching that has changed in any of those games? Just wondering...something tells me that you haven't even watched the games and just looked at boxscores despite saying there's more to this game than boxscores, but I could be wrong.

Couple things - more assertive in their decision making and a concentrated effort to run the ball more.

I usually refrain from commenting on games I don't watch.

 

[NCCommish]

Cam is on pace to be 1 of 2 quarterbacks to have +6.16 ay/pa during their first 3 seasons (minimum 6 starts)

Dan Marino is the other

This is the component that still doesn't smell right though. His consistency issues are most problematic when going down field. If his first read is there long he usually hits them, but when it's not his first read it's messy. Resetting his feet, eyes, stepping into the throw vs. the rush, etc. Get him rattled early and all of this usually falls apart. This may also be driven by poor play around him, if they don't play well instead of elevating his game Cam follows the herd. Totally different story than the ypa though.

On the throw to Lafell for the big touchdown Lafell was his third read.

I saw. One play does not make a sample. It was a very good play by Cam. It's not something he has done often.

Do it again. And again.

He has it done again. This is the big thing they are talking about in the last few games is that Cam has been much better at making his reads. That is what leads to the two best back to back games efficiency wise of any QB this season. Even better than Peyton.

 

[VikingFrog]

The Thursday Night Curse catches up with Cam tonight.

 

[MAC_32]

Cam is on pace to be 1 of 2 quarterbacks to have +6.16 ay/pa during their first 3 seasons (minimum 6 starts)

Dan Marino is the other

This is the component that still doesn't smell right though. His consistency issues are most problematic when going down field. If his first read is there long he usually hits them, but when it's not his first read it's messy. Resetting his feet, eyes, stepping into the throw vs. the rush, etc. Get him rattled early and all of this usually falls apart. This may also be driven by poor play around him, if they don't play well instead of elevating his game Cam follows the herd. Totally different story than the ypa though.

On the throw to Lafell for the big touchdown Lafell was his third read.

I saw. One play does not make a sample. It was a very good play by Cam. It's not something he has done often.

Do it again. And again.

He has it done again. This is the big thing they are talking about in the last few games is that Cam has been much better at making his reads. That is what leads to the two best back to back games efficiency wise of any QB this season,

Great.

Now do it in a primetime stand alone game you're supposed to win easily.

Then do it in the tough games against teams worth a damn in November.

 

[Woogie Lee]

Cam is on pace to be 1 of 2 quarterbacks to have +6.16 ay/pa during their first 3 seasons (minimum 6 starts)

Dan Marino is the other

This is the component that still doesn't smell right though. His consistency issues are most problematic when going down field. If his first read is there long he usually hits them, but when it's not his first read it's messy. Resetting his feet, eyes, stepping into the throw vs. the rush, etc. Get him rattled early and all of this usually falls apart. This may also be driven by poor play around him, if they don't play well instead of elevating his game Cam follows the herd. Totally different story than the ypa though.

On the throw to Lafell for the big touchdown Lafell was his third read.

I saw. One play does not make a sample. It was a very good play by Cam. It's not something he has done often.

Do it again. And again.

He has it done again. This is the big thing they are talking about in the last few games is that Cam has been much better at making his reads. That is what leads to the two best back to back games efficiency wise of any QB this season,

Great.

Now do it in a primetime stand alone game you're supposed to win easily.

Then do it in the tough games against teams worth a damn in November.

the gift that keeps on giving!!!

 

[pantherclub]

Cam is on pace to be 1 of 2 quarterbacks to have +6.16 ay/pa during their first 3 seasons (minimum 6 starts)

Dan Marino is the other

This is the component that still doesn't smell right though. His consistency issues are most problematic when going down field. If his first read is there long he usually hits them, but when it's not his first read it's messy. Resetting his feet, eyes, stepping into the throw vs. the rush, etc. Get him rattled early and all of this usually falls apart. This may also be driven by poor play around him, if they don't play well instead of elevating his game Cam follows the herd. Totally different story than the ypa though.

On the throw to Lafell for the big touchdown Lafell was his third read.

I saw. One play does not make a sample. It was a very good play by Cam. It's not something he has done often.

Do it again. And again.

He has it done again. This is the big thing they are talking about in the last few games is that Cam has been much better at making his reads. That is what leads to the two best back to back games efficiency wise of any QB this season,

Great.

Now do it in a primetime stand alone game you're supposed to win easily.

Then do it in the tough games against teams worth a damn in November.

Christ dude give it a rest. You already said upthread you dont watch the Panther games

 

[MAC_32]

No I didn't.

 

[iamkoza]

what do people think of newtons playoff schedule now? pre-season I was very excited for the double shot of New Orleans (weeks 14, 16)...

 

[The Commish]

I'm not sure what it is going to take to quiet the haters on Cam. I couldn't stand the guy in college and really wanted him to fail in the NFL.

I thought he wouldn't be able to adapt when facing NFL defenses when he couldn't overpower the defensive rushers and wait for coverage to break down. I was wrong from his first game.

Him retiring. Everyone starts with a list...then as the player begins checking off boxes, more are added. It's not unique to Cam though. I see it all the time and have never understood it. I guess some just don't like to be wrong

I would have LOVED to have been wrong about Weeden...or Brady Quinn...or Charlie Frye...or...well, you get it.

Is there a reason you avoided my 12 - 13 game "trend" question? And now are we to the point where you are comparing these guys to Cam?

I didn't compare them.

You see a 12-13 game 'trend,' I see him playing well in games that don't matter and poorly in games that do matter. He had an opportunity to buck that trend in September, but came out and laid 3 eggs in the first 4 games, which is very similar to his start last year too.

Fair enough....the mental gymnastics are astounding but thanks for making my point from earlier....keep fighting the good fight. By the way....did you happen to see anything in the coaching that has changed in any of those games? Just wondering...something tells me that you haven't even watched the games and just looked at boxscores despite saying there's more to this game than boxscores, but I could be wrong.

Couple things - more assertive in their decision making and a concentrated effort to run the ball more.

I usually refrain from commenting on games I don't watch.

Is this why you refuse to see the last 12 - 13 games as a trend...you didn't watch? That party really confuses me...can't get passed it. Tonight a game against an 0-6 team will allow him to "stomp on the throats of critics like you".....all this is completely illogical.....since the last 12 - 13 game stretch isn't good enough...what makes this SINGLE game good enough? Because of the two before it?? They are part of the 12 - 13 I was asking you about

 

[MAC_32]

Might want to read your post I was responding to, chief.

 

[JustinHawkins]

Cam and Panthers looking very legit as of late

 

[VikingFrog]

Cam and Panthers looking very legit as of late

Don't disagree and not trying to pee in your pool, but the teams they will have beaten have a grand total of 5 wins.

Vikings and Giants with 1 win each. Bucs with zero. Rams with 3.

They will have to prove to me they can beat a good team.

 

[MAC_32]

Cam and Panthers looking very legit as of late

Don't disagree and not trying to pee in your pool, but the teams they will have beaten have a grand total of 5 wins.Vikings and Giants with 1 win each. Bucs with zero. Rams with 3.

They will have to prove to me they can beat a good team.

part of the formula to success is beating bad teams. They have done that four times, all in embarrassing fashion. Yes they need to prove it against good teams and close games, but you can't discount blowing out bad teams. It's what they're supposed to do.

 

[NCCommish]

Cam set another all time record last night. Dude's career has been historic so far it's funny to watch people fight that.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Cam set another all time record last night. Dude's career has been historic so far it's funny to watch people fight that.

What was the record?

That bomb to Ginn was perfect, I can't believe he didn't catch it. I'd like to see Josh Gordon on this team.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Last night was the first time I've watched a Panthers game all season. Cam was accurate on a ton of his passes and not just the wide open ones. Really impressed with his touch and accuracy.

 

[The Commish]

 

[zamboni]

Last night was the first time I've watched a Panthers game all season. Cam was accurate on a ton of his passes and not just the wide open ones. Really impressed with his touch and accuracy.

He's definitely shown signs of improvement, including the space between his ears in his maturity process.

If the Panthers can get some more weapons around him next year, the sky is the limit for his potential.

 

[MAC_32]

Last night was the first time I've watched a Panthers game all season. Cam was accurate on a ton of his passes and not just the wide open ones. Really impressed with his touch and accuracy.

He's definitely shown signs of improvement, including the space between his ears in his maturity process.

If the Panthers can get some more weapons around him next year, the sky is the limit for his potential.

Sky has always been the limit with his physical tools, still needs to prove it in a tight game and against better competition though.

 

[Woogie Lee]

 

[FDC]

Last night was the first time I've watched a Panthers game all season. Cam was accurate on a ton of his passes and not just the wide open ones. Really impressed with his touch and accuracy.

He's definitely shown signs of improvement, including the space between his ears in his maturity process.

If the Panthers can get some more weapons around him next year, the sky is the limit for his potential.

Sky has always been the limit with his physical tools, still needs to prove it in a tight game and against better competition though.

sky is the limit?

I thought your argument is that he has plateaued?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Last night was the first time I've watched a Panthers game all season. Cam was accurate on a ton of his passes and not just the wide open ones. Really impressed with his touch and accuracy.

He's definitely shown signs of improvement, including the space between his ears in his maturity process.

If the Panthers can get some more weapons around him next year, the sky is the limit for his potential.

Sky has always been the limit with his physical tools, still needs to prove it in a tight game and against better competition though.

sky is the limit?

I thought your argument is that he has plateaued?

So he's already reached the sky then.

 

[NCCommish]

Cam set another all time record last night. Dude's career has been historic so far it's funny to watch people fight that.

What was the record?

That bomb to Ginn was perfect, I can't believe he didn't catch it. I'd like to see Josh Gordon on this team.

Only QB to have 52 passing TDs and 25 rushing TDs.

 

[MAC_32]

Last night was the first time I've watched a Panthers game all season. Cam was accurate on a ton of his passes and not just the wide open ones. Really impressed with his touch and accuracy.

He's definitely shown signs of improvement, including the space between his ears in his maturity process.

If the Panthers can get some more weapons around him next year, the sky is the limit for his potential.

Sky has always been the limit with his physical tools, still needs to prove it in a tight game and against better competition though.

sky is the limit?

I thought your argument is that he has plateaued?

Not at all.

My questions are 100% upstairs, not physical.

Not sure when and where I posted it, but after his lousy start I wrote the earliest I'll buy in is late this year, which is too late for this year...but that's fine because my QB's are already great. Kinda been my take from the beginning, why risk it buying into a stock I don't trust when I can get a similarly productive stock I trust.

He has a tough stretch coming up to prove his remaining critics right or wrong.

 

[FDC]

He plateaued this year as a passer - lots of issues from feet, to pre snap reads, to reading the field post snap, to decision making, to even execution down field. He seems to be looking for the big play instead of what's in front of him. A lot that needs to be fixed before next season.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

3 games = a trend, right?

77%, 6 TD, 0 INT, 10 AY/A, 130.2 Rating

 

[MAC_32]

He plateaued this year as a passer - lots of issues from feet, to pre snap reads, to reading the field post snap, to decision making, to even execution down field. He seems to be looking for the big play instead of what's in front of him. A lot that needs to be fixed before next season.

Selective reading.

 

[The Commish]

 

[The Commish]

He never went anywhere The offensive play calling's been terrible all year. Only dopes read into him putting a towel on his head etc. As was said in the other thread, he'll be fine. ETA: And the play calling was affecting the running game as well. If this staff is kept, there are going to be a lot of upset fans. The only one worth keeping is the DC and even then arguments can be made against that.

I think that most of us fans are considering a staff change as a given. I've been shocked before, but this would be high on the list of shockers if Rivera and his staff hang around.

Cam discussion has become laughable at this point....let's go back to the coaching staff. I'm not sure I've seen a staff grow as quickly and obviously as this one has. They are doing a good job in their calling now and it's made all the difference. It's amazing what one can accomplish when they use their tools the right way. Hopefully, they keep it up. There's a direct correlation between their approach and this team's success.

 

[smapdi]

He never went anywhere The offensive play calling's been terrible all year. Only dopes read into him putting a towel on his head etc. As was said in the other thread, he'll be fine. ETA: And the play calling was affecting the running game as well. If this staff is kept, there are going to be a lot of upset fans. The only one worth keeping is the DC and even then arguments can be made against that.

I think that most of us fans are considering a staff change as a given. I've been shocked before, but this would be high on the list of shockers if Rivera and his staff hang around.

Cam discussion has become laughable at this point....let's go back to the coaching staff. I'm not sure I've seen a staff grow as quickly and obviously as this one has. They are doing a good job in their calling now and it's made all the difference. It's amazing what one can accomplish when they use their tools the right way. Hopefully, they keep it up. There's a direct correlation between their approach and this team's success.

Yes. They finally are using him correctly. The beginning of the season was ugly because they took away his ability to strike fear in defenses with his legs. That can really open up the passing game and it has for them.

Last night should be the norm for him

 

[MAC_32]

He never went anywhere The offensive play calling's been terrible all year. Only dopes read into him putting a towel on his head etc. As was said in the other thread, he'll be fine. ETA: And the play calling was affecting the running game as well. If this staff is kept, there are going to be a lot of upset fans. The only one worth keeping is the DC and even then arguments can be made against that.

I think that most of us fans are considering a staff change as a given. I've been shocked before, but this would be high on the list of shockers if Rivera and his staff hang around.

Cam discussion has become laughable at this point....let's go back to the coaching staff. I'm not sure I've seen a staff grow as quickly and obviously as this one has. They are doing a good job in their calling now and it's made all the difference. It's amazing what one can accomplish when they use their tools the right way. Hopefully, they keep it up. There's a direct correlation between their approach and this team's success.

Yes. They finally are using him correctly. The beginning of the season was ugly because they took away his ability to strike fear in defenses with his legs. That can really open up the passing game and it has for them.

Last night should be the norm for him

They're using the backs too, which is opening up play action. Cam's #'s out of play action are MUCH better than when he just drops back.

 

[The Commish]

He never went anywhere The offensive play calling's been terrible all year. Only dopes read into him putting a towel on his head etc. As was said in the other thread, he'll be fine. ETA: And the play calling was affecting the running game as well. If this staff is kept, there are going to be a lot of upset fans. The only one worth keeping is the DC and even then arguments can be made against that.

I think that most of us fans are considering a staff change as a given. I've been shocked before, but this would be high on the list of shockers if Rivera and his staff hang around.

Cam discussion has become laughable at this point....let's go back to the coaching staff. I'm not sure I've seen a staff grow as quickly and obviously as this one has. They are doing a good job in their calling now and it's made all the difference. It's amazing what one can accomplish when they use their tools the right way. Hopefully, they keep it up. There's a direct correlation between their approach and this team's success.

Yes. They finally are using him correctly. The beginning of the season was ugly because they took away his ability to strike fear in defenses with his legs. That can really open up the passing game and it has for them.

Last night should be the norm for him

Over the second half of last year and this year, it's also clear that he gets the fact that he doesn't have to win the game on every play. Doing a much better job checking down and taking underneath. If I'm not mistaken it was this thread where it was suggested that he doesn't make players around him better because he throws the ball too hard or something crazy like that. I'm waiting for the comment that Manning/Brady suck because they aren't getting 75 a game with their legs.

 

[FDC]

He plateaued this year as a passer - lots of issues from feet, to pre snap reads, to reading the field post snap, to decision making, to even execution down field. He seems to be looking for the big play instead of what's in front of him. A lot that needs to be fixed before next season.

Selective reading.

who is really being selective here

conversation has gone something like...

"I'll believe it when I see it, he has plateaued"

-> is informed that we are seeing it and hasn't plateaued

"I don't watch the games though"

-> watches some games

"I haven't seen enough of a consistent trend"

-> sees a consistent trend on primetime

"can't do it in a meaningful game, oops I mean primetime, scratch that I mean close game vs a good team"

next up ATL @SF NE

 

[voiceofunreason]

There's a reason they struggle against good teams--they are outmatched from a talent perspective. And good teams will shut down their crap wrs.

I was worried about Newton coming into the year, but he's really proved to me that he's a top 3 guy in the long run and he seems to have grown up a lot. I think Rogers is the only other qb in the league that could be successful with his wr core.

 

[MAC_32]

He plateaued this year as a passer - lots of issues from feet, to pre snap reads, to reading the field post snap, to decision making, to even execution down field. He seems to be looking for the big play instead of what's in front of him. A lot that needs to be fixed before next season.

Selective reading.

who is really being selective here

conversation has gone something like...

"I'll believe it when I see it, he has plateaued"

-> is informed that we are seeing it and hasn't plateaued

"I don't watch the games though"

-> watches some games

"I haven't seen enough of a consistent trend"

-> sees a consistent trend on primetime

"can't do it in a meaningful game, oops I mean primetime, scratch that I mean close game vs a good team"

next up ATL @SF NE

Taking comments out of context is fun, isn't it?

 

[johnnyboy8102]

I would have loved Ginn to catch that 1st half bomb that went right through his hands.