Well, the Murray owner is very weak at WR behind T Hill, so I was thinking of throwing Newton and JuJu at him for Murray.
For me, I'd be looking get to an upgrade at the QB position while finding a way to get Diontae Johnson in to my line-up.
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QB Cam Newton, Retired (1 Viewer)
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For me, I'd be looking get to an upgrade at the QB position while finding a way to get Diontae Johnson in to my line-up.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
The Seattle pass rush is horrible. They got no pressure at all. Cam could stand back there all day. I wouldn't judge the rest of the season based on his performance last night.
And opposing QB's are a must-start against the Seattle Defense.
And opposing QB's are a must-start against the Seattle Defense.
ahartig
Footballguy
True, but his schedule doesn't look too bad moving forward:
LV
@KC
Den
BYE
SF
Buf
NYJ
Bal
Hou
LAC
LAR
Mia
Buf
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Seattle doesn't get a ton of pass rush, but it looked like the NE OL did a good job even when the Seahawks tried to dial up some pressure. I think the SEA secondary and injuries were probably a bigger issue. So while I certainly would agree Cam isn't going to approach 400 yards passing very often, I do think that the more practice he gets and the more of the playbook he can absorb, the better the offense will look.
On a side note, remember last year when another NE quarterback basically pouted that he had no weapons and no one to throw to? Cam last night had essentially the same cast of characters and made things work. I stand by my prediction that the NE offense with Cam and no major skill position upgrades from last season could be a better and more productive offense than it was with Brady. Cam just gives them plays and options they didn't have with Brady. That's not a knock on Brady, it's just a fact. What I would say has been a big difference is a dramatic culture change with Cam. Everyone in the locker room finds Cam's personality and energy infectious . . . while there are plenty of stories out there that Tom was not a happy camper last year and his sour #### demeanor was not well received by his team. We'll see how things go moving forward, but a lot of folks are saying things have been more enjoyable with Cam so far. Maybe it's still the honeymoon period . . .
The only real mistake was the int. The mistake was telegraphing because he was looking that was before the ball was snapped and never stopped staring at Byrd. It didn’t help that Byrd put up no compete for the ball... but he may have slipped on the play. I don’t know.
On the flip side I thought he was great converting some of those tough third downs.
I heard on first take today that Cam is 16 of 20 inside the 2 yard line with goal to go. That’s 80 percent. If Johnson didn’t get blown up it probably is a drag linemen into the end zone. I noticed they brought in Onwenu and ran over his side. But credit to Seattle, the made just a couple extra great plays than the Pats. Literally a game of inches. I’m excited about this Pats team and hope for improvement from the young players.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Manster
Footballguy
It really was a horrible play call....I mean when u telegraph a play on the GL, in the NFL, it's going to fail more times than not.....and it's not like they had another shot. That was it!
You spread em out, give Cam options, and make the defense guess.......I mean Cam rolling out looking for the pass, and then taking on a couple guys to get in the EZ.....those seem like better odds, don't they?
massraider
Footballguy
I judge the rest of the season on the fact that Belichick has gotten quality numbers for years and years out of any backup QB he had to start from time to time, and he now has Cam Newton.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
He doesn't want Cam passing 44 times in game again, I can guarantee that. He's smart enough to know how to get the most out of a mobile quarterback, unlike a lot of other coaches.
tombonneau
Footballguy
If he keeps throwing accurate darts downfield like that, I'd argue all he wants is Cam passing 40x a game.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
30/44/397/1/1.
Cam still throw's an occasional errant short ball, but he figured out how to be an accurate passer in 2018. But folks still want to classify him based on earlier in his career.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I guess we'll see.
massraider
Footballguy
I agree with you. Really has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. Cam can do more damage with 25 pass attempts than most can do with 35, so what do I care how often he throws?
I think there was a ton of huffing and puffing about Cam being cooked for a long time now, and in week 1, Belichick showed Cam was just fine, and a viable fantasy QB.
It was all done on the ground, and before Cam is Done Truthers could even start with their "b-b-b-ut rushing TDs-regression-sustainable-passing yardage" argument, Cam dropped 44 passes and 400 yards on them week 2.
SO: Killed on the ground week 1. Killed in the air week 2. Has had a weird offseason with no preseason, now has Belichick. I think arrow is pointing up, and any complaints and warnings about Cam right now are about as valid as the one I used to have about my stripper girlfriend leaving body glitter all over the place.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
It's way too soon for anyone to start taking victory laps. IMO, Cam is not going to keep getting 2 rushing TD a game and probably won't approach 400 yards passing very often (unless NE gets behind and has no choice but to air it out). Also, league scoring and fantasy scoring have been off the charts so far. Cam is currently the #6 QB in my leagues, but his average scoring total would have ranked #2 last year and more than 5 points more than the #3 QB. Will all QB's continue with hyper fantasy scoring the rest of the year? (That's what happened in 2011 when there was limited training camp.) Put another way, in other seasons, Cam's numbers so far this season would have made him the clear #1 QB by a good margin, yet this year he is only ranked 6th so far (although individual scoring systems will vary).
As we have already seen both this year and in the past, when there has been a limited offseason and limited training camps, injuries typically go through the roof. That really is a thing . . . I am not just pulling that out of thin air. Cam looked great for half of the 2018 season, got dinged, and limped the rest of the way. So yeah, he's been great after two games and NE looks like they know how to use him correctly, but his health will always be a concern.
As for the crazy projections based off of 2 games, to expect Cam to keep up a pace of almost 4500 passing yards, 1000 rushing yards, and 30+ rushing TD would be silly. He should settle in to both fewer passing yards and fewer rushing yards and start to produce more passing TD instead of rushing TD. In some leagues that might start taking fantasy points away (where rushing totals are worth more than passing totals).
As we have already seen both this year and in the past, when there has been a limited offseason and limited training camps, injuries typically go through the roof. That really is a thing . . . I am not just pulling that out of thin air. Cam looked great for half of the 2018 season, got dinged, and limped the rest of the way. So yeah, he's been great after two games and NE looks like they know how to use him correctly, but his health will always be a concern.
As for the crazy projections based off of 2 games, to expect Cam to keep up a pace of almost 4500 passing yards, 1000 rushing yards, and 30+ rushing TD would be silly. He should settle in to both fewer passing yards and fewer rushing yards and start to produce more passing TD instead of rushing TD. In some leagues that might start taking fantasy points away (where rushing totals are worth more than passing totals).
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I wasn't really complaining. But it does make me mad when your stripper girlfriend leaves glitter all over the place at my house. Nobody cares about my problems though.
Only I meant was the Pats will not use Cam the same way Carolina did. They won't just put him into the same offense as when they had Brady, ignoring the fact they have a mobile quarterback. This what dumb people like Bill O'Brian do. I'm saying this offense will look more like week 1 than week 2 most of the time. For example, Lamar Jackson proved he could pass well against the Titans in the playoffs, like 400 yards of passes. The Ravens didn't abandon their read option offense though. They don't want Jackson doing that even though he can. Their offense is a lot better when they run and pass.
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massraider
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Sage advice for those of you that were projecting 35 rushing TDs and 6,000 passing yards.
ninogaggi
Footballguy
Murdered me at work with this. Was in the middle of a meeting when I giggled out loud reading that. It was worth the stare I got from the boss.
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Tested positive for covid. Out for this week according to Shefter
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TenMidgets
Footballguy
I'm starting to wonder if this season is going to be doable!
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Whether the Pats play or not, Cam is out so I am now taking two 0's in the QB position in two of the national contest leagues. Because I have a 2nd QB (guess I should have had 3) who had a forced bye this week. Ben. If they don't play KC this weekend this thing is blowing up.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Probably not going to happen, but the NFL should consider shutting down for a week or two.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
-jb-
Footballguy
In theory that probably isn't a bad idea, though if they did, I think it'd be fair to waive IR guys as timed served, basically meaning guys who were put on 3 week IR, can come back early, and not have to miss 3 games.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Well, we knew it was going to be a big challenge. They did super great the first 2 weeks, but not sure what's going on now apart from the fact that it's very difficult to be in a full-contact sport, not in a bubble, in the midst of a raging national pandemic.
I think NFL should have redrawn the schedules this summer - giving every team 2 byes - which would have given them much more flexibility in terms of re-arranging games in mid-season.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Between players, practice squad, players on IR, coaches, trainers, other team personnel there are probably 100 people per team. That’s 3200 people without any family members. Then you have game day people . . . Refs, stadium and field personnel, time keepers, broadcast people, media, vendors, hotel and food prep people, etc. There would probably be 5000+ people needing to be kept together for 6 months. Sure, that would have been the safest option, but how feasible would that be?
It would take a ton of effort and $$$, but maybe the owners could make 10 billion instead of 15 this year.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I’m not sure how. They would have had to pick up the tab. It cost the NBA $150 million to put up not even 10% of that many people for half the time (and half the teams were gone after a month). The NFL owners would have had no fans in attendance at all (instead of the few they are having now). On top of that, how would they have enough fields for 32 teams to practice and play? The point being, they wouldn’t have any additional revenue, would lose some ticket revenue, but would have a giant bubble bill.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
there were more reasons not to do it than to do it. logistically it's a nightmare. nba players had issue with it for a few weeks let alone 17 weeks. plus what big ### bubble is going to accomodate all the players and staff? not realistic
you guys are talking about the dollars, but you have to think of the human factor as well. these guys aren't going to buy into it even if it's an economic possibility, and I don't blame them.
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simey
Footballguy
Covid asymptomatic people still have a health issue and can spread the virus. Cam has to shed the virus to test negative and be able to play.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
This has been one of the more hotly debated topics this week among Boston sports media members. The official league policy is that players may return 10 days after testing positive if they are asymptomatic regardless if they test negative . . . PENDING LEAGUE APPROVAL. This is clearly new territory for the league, and even though Newton SHOULD be allowed to play by their stated policy, the league may not like the optics and could tell the Patriots he still needs to sit out.
The other side of the coin was whether the Patriots should sit Cam anyway, given that he hasn't been practicing. But neither has the team (until today). I saw that the other QBs are at practice this morning (but Cam is not). The team is planning a walk through tomorrow. Another side of the debate was whether it was in Cam's best interest to sit this week (the NE bye is next week) to give him plenty of time to rest up and beat the virus (even though he has had no symptoms and apparently has been working out to stay in shape on his own). And of course, there were folks that felt the Patriots should not need Cam to beat the Broncos, so there is no need to rush him out there on Monday. BB would not go near any questions about it this morning. He essentially said all the questions people were asking were all the same, all his answers would be the same, so it was time to move on to something else.
The bolded doesn't seem to fit Belichick's ideals at all. You would know more than I would, but my gut says if Cam is available, he's starting.
