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QB Daniel Jones, IND (5 Viewers)

JohnnyU said:
I'm thinking Hurts / Z Wilson / Mack Jones / and a Watson hold should suffice.  I'll try and trade D Jones, but I doubt there will be any takers, except possibly the one team with one QB rostered.
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I agree completely. Good luck dealing him. Personally, unless I was totally desperate for the roster spot, I’d hold until we see if he looks improved. 

Downside, you drop him anyway. Upside, he builds his trade stock. 

 
In a dynasty 1 QB, 12 team league Jones is a depth piece that should be owned at this point.  It doesn't mean you shouldn't drop/trade him if you have the depth (like JohnnyU).  He has some potential for improvement and has the pieces in place skill player wise that I would want to see how the season starts before just cutting lose.  

 
Gally said:
In a dynasty 1 QB, 12 team league Jones is a depth piece that should be owned at this point.  It doesn't mean you shouldn't drop/trade him if you have the depth (like JohnnyU).  He has some potential for improvement and has the pieces in place skill player wise that I would want to see how the season starts before just cutting lose.  
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My sentiment exactly. 

 
Gally said:
In a dynasty 1 QB, 12 team league Jones is a depth piece that should be owned at this point.  It doesn't mean you shouldn't drop/trade him if you have the depth (like JohnnyU).  He has some potential for improvement and has the pieces in place skill player wise that I would want to see how the season starts before just cutting lose.  
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Normally I would agree with what I bolded, but I don't think Dimes is ever going to be anything other than QB depth and not a great one at that.  So, in a start 1QB 12 team league, why hold on to an extra QB depth in lieu of stashing a prospect at another position?

 
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Jones #### the bed last year when I needed him after Dak went down.  So this year I traded for Hurts and drafted Lawrence and Wilson.

I've got Jones on the trade block and there is some interest.

 
Let's everyone please get back to this thread topic. Thanks. Let's keep every post about the player. Zero about other posters. Thanks. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Normally I would agree with what I bolded, but I don't think Dimes is ever going to be anything other than QB depth and not a great one at that.  So, in a start 1QB 12 team league, why hold on to an extra QB depth in lieu of stashing a prospect at another position?
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If he is your 4th QB then I would agree that dropping him is worthwhile.  If he is your 2nd QB you gotta keep him.   If he is your 3rd QB but your 2nd is an unproven rookie it probably makes sense to keep him just in case.  

All that being said, if your league has QB's 20-32 on the waiver wire most of the year then you can likely drop him anyway as you can always pick up an emergency guy if needed.  However, if there are no starters on waivers then it behooves you to keep him.  

 
Gally said:
If he is your 4th QB then I would agree that dropping him is worthwhile.  If he is your 2nd QB you gotta keep him.   If he is your 3rd QB but your 2nd is an unproven rookie it probably makes sense to keep him just in case.  

All that being said, if your league has QB's 20-32 on the waiver wire most of the year then you can likely drop him anyway as you can always pick up an emergency guy if needed.  However, if there are no starters on waivers then it behooves you to keep him.  
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In a 12 team league start 1QB, with 24 man rosters, there is usually someone on the waiver wire you could start to cover a bye. 

 
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JohnnyU said:
In a 12 team league start 1QB, with 24 man rosters, there is usually someone on the waiver wire you could start to cover a bye. 
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True.

I’m still a hold until week 2-3 if I can afford the roster spot. It’s unlikely that his value will go down. It’s very possible that a hot start causes it to elevate.

A trade is better for your team than a drop. And a couple of TDs to Golladay & Barkley from Jones could increase that trade value substantially. 

One thing I try to keep in mind for situations like this: even if I’m down on a player that doesn’t mean everyone in my league is. One man’s trash = another’s treasure.  Maybe someone in your league will value him as a better QB2 or an upside QB2 compared to what they’re rostering.

if it only costs you a week or two of holding to find that out, I’m not seeing much downside to waiting. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Is he another Blaine Gabbert?  Or slightly more, but nothing you can't do without in a start 1qb 12 team league and could use the roster spot on a high upside prospect?
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I'd say he's another Blake Bortles.   No pocket awareness that leads to turnovers.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
There’s a difference between talking about a players in a topic & whatever it is he was doing that got a warning from Joe. 

My comments in this topic have been on topic, thanks. I’m at FBG to talk fantasy football & enjoy lighthearted banter. 

I participate in a wide range of topics because I have a wide range of interest in players/teams. I also start a fair amount of topics that have developed into very good discussions. 

Any other comments or observations about me; or can we get this topic back on track? 
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My friend, that was also a joke.  I enjoy your contributions and razzing you.

 
wgoldsph said:
I'd say he's another Blake Bortles.   No pocket awareness that leads to turnovers.
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Some of that might still be chicken and the egg though. 

Does he lack awareness because he had few weapons and an OL that got him killed every week? 

Or is he really just that bad?  He was better with a better OL & an elite receiving back, so one might speculate that he could be better again.

it’s fair to said that the conditions under which Jones started his career have been less than conducive to player development. 

It’s hard to put it all on Jones. And also to he fair, there was a stretch of games prior to his hammy (quad?) injury where he is as starting to look very competent out there, making throws on the run & using his mobility to get 1st downs with his legs. He gutted it out pretty good through injury, too.  

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Some of that might still be chicken and the egg though. 

Does he lack awareness because he had few weapons and an OL that got him killed every week? 

Or is he really just that bad?  He was better with a better OL & an elite receiving back, so one might speculate that he could be better again.

it’s fair to said that the conditions under which Jones started his career have been less than conducive to player development. 

It’s hard to put it all on Jones. And also to he fair, there was a stretch of games prior to his hammy (quad?) injury where he is as starting to look very competent out there, making throws on the run & using his mobility to get 1st downs with his legs. He gutted it out pretty good through injury, too.  
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Speaking specifically of Bortles there's one play of his where I "knew" he didn't have IT.  I forget the game but he got wrapped up in the pocket, broke free and then threw the ball backwards.  Not to the side but back, literally backwards. Never seen a professional get that lost on the field.

Saw the same kind of lack of awareness when Jones had the ball basically taken out of his hands by Jamal Adams.  Just no awareness of the man running right at him who plucked the ball from his fingers.  You can't teach that kind of thing.

 
Daniel Jones completed 22-of-37 passes for 267 yards and a touchdown in Week 1 against the Broncos.

Jones also had 26 yards and a rushing score on the final play of the game. This was a rough one for Jones, who started hot before trailing off in the second half. Jones fumbled trying to pick up a first down on a scramble and had a few off-target passes that should have been picked. He only took two sacks but was under constant pressures from the Broncos’ pass rush. The Giants are counting on Jones and a healthy Saquon Barkley to take a step forward this season. Jones has a short turnaround for a matchup against Washington on Thursday night.
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at least they finally got rid of the "Danny Dimes" name off the thread. You don't deserve a nickname when you're mostly giving dimes to the other team.

 
He isn't that bad.  He's not great but he's not that bad.

And his oline stinks

Plus that just seems like its been a fairly incompetent organization since he has been there.  

 
killface said:
He isn't that bad.  He's not great but he's not that bad.

And his oline stinks

Plus that just seems like its been a fairly incompetent organization since he has been there.  
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All true. But he's "not that bad" in the same way as Mitchell Trubisky was/is. 

 
killface said:
I put him above Trubisky.  I think he can be salvaged as a middle of the road starting qb ala bridgewater or Goff
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I'd also put Jones above Trubisky, but below Teddy or Goff. Maybe more on the level of a Nick Foles, where he'd be an excellent backup, but is probably overmatched as a starter, unless he has an excellent supporting cast. 

I am curious to see what he does with a healthy Barkley and Golladay together. 

 
Daniel Jones completed 22-of-32 passes for 249 yards and a touchdown in the Giants' 30-29, Week 2 loss to Washington, adding nine carries for 95 additional yards and a touchdown. 

Crazy Legs Jones was the story of the evening for the G-Men, but it still wasn't enough in yet another devastating defeat for an accursed organization. Jones appeared to have a 58-yard rushing touchdown in the second quarter on a read option keeper, but a ticky tack holding penalty turned it into merely a 46-yard gain. The Giants then, unsurprisingly, settled for a field goal. For the rushing score he did convert, Jones cashed in a quarterback draw. As a passer, Jones was under siege in the first half before finding more time after the break. He nearly turned it into a 43-yard touchdown strike to Darius Slayton, but the receiver could not corral a ball thrown inches too far. It will be labeled a drop, but it should have been a better pass. The touchdown Jones did convert was a 33-yard strike to Slayton in the third frame, where the wideout simply ran by William Jackson III. Elsewhere, Jones' timing looked off with Kenny Golladay, and the high-dollar free agent addition was spotted yelling at Jones on the sideline. He had a point. Jones has 10 days to lick his wounds before a golden matchup in the Falcons. Up to 122 yards rushing through two starts, Jones is punching way above his weight as a fantasy option. It will be hard to keep him out of the QB1 streamer mix for Week 3. 

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DocHolliday said:
He’s a decent QB and pretty good for FF.   That Giants o line is painful to watch.  
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Perhaps, but he is one of those fantasy QBs one hates to have in a 12 team (or fewer) start 1qb league because you most likely will never play him..  Maybe that will change later.

 
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Godsbrother said:
Am I crazy to be starting Jones over Brady this week?
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Jones is absolutely start-able, and again showing incredible talent with his legs. He’s much improved this year, and as I’ve been saying, I think he could be even better when Barkley presents a legitimate threat on the ground. 

shame that 60+ yard RuTd came off the board on a questionable penalty last week. 

That said, starting him over Brady seems to run counter to the “never bench your studs” philosophy I generally employ, but he does have a much better matchup. 

I’m starting to legitimately believe in the dude though. With a better OL, Daniel Jones may well be a very good NFL QB. The future looks bright. 

 
According to CBS, he’s still available in almost half of leagues.  I’m curious if folks are becoming believers and scooping him up from waivers, and if so, for whom? I am considering dumping Trevor Lawrence as my backup QB in redraft for him. Jax is a mess and the both played Denver with polar opposite results. 

 
Ghoti said:
According to CBS, he’s still available in almost half of leagues.  I’m curious if folks are becoming believers and scooping him up from waivers, and if so, for whom? I am considering dumping Trevor Lawrence as my backup QB in redraft for him. Jax is a mess and the both played Denver with polar opposite results. 
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I added him to backup Allen (and who knows if Allen keeps playing the way he is might have to start him eventually).

 
Ghoti said:
According to CBS, he’s still available in almost half of leagues.  I’m curious if folks are becoming believers and scooping him up from waivers, and if so, for whom? I am considering dumping Trevor Lawrence as my backup QB in redraft for him. Jax is a mess and the both played Denver with polar opposite results. 
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I would absolutely dump T-Law for Danny 2-Nickels in redraft leagues. 

 
Ilov80s said:
I am not a believer in him as an NFL QB but I am a believer in him as a fantasy option if he keeps rushing like he has. He's a more mobile Mitch Trubisky but that works for fantasy. 
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If he gets a deep threat who doesn't drop easy TDs he'll be a better RL QB too. 

 
Ghoti said:
According to CBS, he’s still available in almost half of leagues.  I’m curious if folks are becoming believers and scooping him up from waivers, and if so, for whom? I am considering dumping Trevor Lawrence as my backup QB in redraft for him. Jax is a mess and the both played Denver with polar opposite results. 
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Holy crap what are you waiting for 

 
DocHolliday said:
Dropping Burrows for him.   Burrows o line is awful and Danny can tack on FF points with the legs 
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Burrow is probably a better QB. Jones is probably a better FF QB right now. 

Neither team has a great OL

Receiving talent favors Burrow,  but if Golladay & Engram get right, and as Saquan gains confidence in his knee, that’s going to be a little closer FF-wise. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
If he gets a deep threat who doesn't drop easy TDs he'll be a better RL QB too. 
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I didn't see any easy long tds.  He threw a bunch of balls that were right at the end of his wrs finger tips.  The blame was 50/50 on most of those long bomb mistakes.

 
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Ilov80s said:
I am not a believer in him as an NFL QB but I am a believer in him as a fantasy option if he keeps rushing like he has. He's a more mobile Mitch Trubisky but that works for fantasy. 
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I agree with this take.  He's a terrible real life qb, but now that he's started running he can be a great fantasy backup.

Edit - sorry for the triple posting.

 
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wgoldsph said:
I didn't see any easy long tds.  He threw a bunch of balls that were right at the end of his wrs finger tips.  The blame was 50/50 on most of those long bomb mistakes.
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Slayton’s ball was catchable. He’s been awful at the deep bombs last year & this.
 

no, it wasn’t a perfect pass. Yes, Slayton should have caught it. No way it was 50-50. He was uncovered and it hit him on the hands. 80-20 Slayton’s fault. 

last year he quit on the route or lost the ball several times on deep passes. 

 
jobarules said:
A case can be made that the Giants have the best skill supporting cast of any team in the league besides TB. Saquon, Shepard, Galloway, Slayton, Toney, Engram, Rudolph. Absolutely loaded. Unfortunately their oline is atrocious. 
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I feel like if each of them (except Rudolph who's done) were on another team they'd get a lot of hype.  Maybe the giants are the Gase effect of teams.

Sorry sorry, lived near Philly all my life.

 
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