QB Derek Carr, Retired (1 Viewer)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The Titans? At best it seems like a lateral move.

He’s gonna love the snow in TN.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

IMO there are two clear options to building a SB champion team. 1) have a highly paid awesome qb and hope they carry the team 2). Have awesome weapons and put a rookie contract qb into the mix and hope it goes well (burrow right now).

Mid tier QBs like carr, ryan, cousins, etc get paid a lot without being able to win on their own and it messes up the cap space to build a complete team around them.

The hard part w #1 is knowing who is elite and not paying them beyond their usefulness. Rodgers was elite. He is being paid beyond his usefulness. And guys like Lamar Jackson and d jones it’s hard to say. I think w a younger guys like them you likely take the chance. But w carr you don’t. He’s had his chance.

The hard part w #2 is drafting the right QB. Which is why in that scenario you have to draft 1-2 per year until you hit.

Now sometimes #2 sets up where you can bring in an elite vet rather than a rook to get over the top. Ie mortgaging the future. And that’s been a SB recipe as of late - Stafford in la. Brady in tb. Manning in Den. Problem is w that once you win the SB you are done for a few years cause the cap goes really wonky and the qb walks away or gets injured.

Point is. Carr is not elite. He’s not a rookie. So he gets you nowhere. No way do I sign him. You can draft someone almost as good for way way less.

Excellent post, I'd like to bring up a counter point
"You can draft someone for way less" as you said
-Yes and No

I jumped to the 2018 Draft, 4-5 years is enough time to know how the QBs were that came out of that one
You're saying Carr can be easily replaced, I would like to agree except
1st QB Baker Mayfield
2nd QB Sam Darnold
3rd QB Josh Allen, wasn't highly regarded years 1 and 2
Josh Rosen is next on this list so I'm thinking there might even be a mild bidding war for Derek Carr
Hard to believe but some teams will think he deserves a chance in a non Raiders' uniform.

NYJ, HOU, TEN, INDY, and that's just the QB rich AFC, there's at least that many that need one in the NFC including the entire South.
I liked your post, well written but I think you might be short changing his value relative to the teams that would see an immediate upgrade or impact.
MoP has a grudge against Josh McDaniels, can't stand him and feel he is getting away with tearing a team apart that didn't need to be stripped bare and when he walks out the door or is walked out, it's going to look like one of those homes they start to gut from the inside and then for whatever reason stop about halfway thru and it looks even worse then when they started the project. That's my feelings about Josh McDaniels so I might not be impartial, it should be noted.
Cheers!

 

[-OZ-]

IMO there are two clear options to building a SB champion team. 1) have a highly paid awesome qb and hope they carry the team 2). Have awesome weapons and put a rookie contract qb into the mix and hope it goes well (burrow right now).

Mid tier QBs like carr, ryan, cousins, etc get paid a lot without being able to win on their own and it messes up the cap space to build a complete team around them.

The hard part w #1 is knowing who is elite and not paying them beyond their usefulness. Rodgers was elite. He is being paid beyond his usefulness. And guys like Lamar Jackson and d jones it’s hard to say. I think w a younger guys like them you likely take the chance. But w carr you don’t. He’s had his chance.

The hard part w #2 is drafting the right QB. Which is why in that scenario you have to draft 1-2 per year until you hit.

Now sometimes #2 sets up where you can bring in an elite vet rather than a rook to get over the top. Ie mortgaging the future. And that’s been a SB recipe as of late - Stafford in la. Brady in tb. Manning in Den. Problem is w that once you win the SB you are done for a few years cause the cap goes really wonky and the qb walks away or gets injured.

Point is. Carr is not elite. He’s not a rookie. So he gets you nowhere. No way do I sign him. You can draft someone almost as good for way way less.

Maybe I’m delusional but I think carr in the right spot isn’t that far behind Stafford. Especially if you don’t have to give up picks. On a team like the Jets, I think he makes them a top 6 team - problem is the top 4 or 5 are also in the AFC.
Saints becomes interesting and I do think he’s an upgrade from Dalton.
Ultimately I’d bet on him going to Washington or NO but I’d like to see him with the jets.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Derek Carr will have several suitors
He should try and jump over to the NFC, much easier track to make the Playoffs and advance

Washington seems to have some nice pieces on both sides of the ball and Riveria‘s wick is getting shorter. I actually think it would be a great fit for both sides.

 

[Mitchie]

IMO there are two clear options to building a SB champion team. 1) have a highly paid awesome qb and hope they carry the team 2). Have awesome weapons and put a rookie contract qb into the mix and hope it goes well (burrow right now).

Mid tier QBs like carr, ryan, cousins, etc get paid a lot without being able to win on their own and it messes up the cap space to build a complete team around them.

The hard part w #1 is knowing who is elite and not paying them beyond their usefulness. Rodgers was elite. He is being paid beyond his usefulness. And guys like Lamar Jackson and d jones it’s hard to say. I think w a younger guys like them you likely take the chance. But w carr you don’t. He’s had his chance.

The hard part w #2 is drafting the right QB. Which is why in that scenario you have to draft 1-2 per year until you hit.

Now sometimes #2 sets up where you can bring in an elite vet rather than a rook to get over the top. Ie mortgaging the future. And that’s been a SB recipe as of late - Stafford in la. Brady in tb. Manning in Den. Problem is w that once you win the SB you are done for a few years cause the cap goes really wonky and the qb walks away or gets injured.

Point is. Carr is not elite. He’s not a rookie. So he gets you nowhere. No way do I sign him. You can draft someone almost as good for way way less.

Maybe I’m delusional but I think carr in the right spot isn’t that far behind Stafford. Especially if you don’t have to give up picks. On a team like the Jets, I think he makes them a top 6 team - problem is the top 4 or 5 are also in the AFC.
Saints becomes interesting and I do think he’s an upgrade from Dalton.
Ultimately I’d bet on him going to Washington or NO but I’d like to see him with the jets.

Personally think Stafford's a lot better, or was anyway as hard to say now with the injuries piling up. Carr's a decent QB but don't see him as a difference maker.

 

[Faust]

Peter Schrager Floats Miami as Potential Landing Spot for Derek Carr

 

[TampaMike19]

Jets are a nice fit. QBs on rookie-ish contracts, rookies that are top 5 talents at the position. They can make it work money wise

 

[Kiddnets]

Jets are a nice fit. QBs on rookie-ish contracts, rookies that are top 5 talents at the position. They can make it work money wise

my concern is Jets will likely wait for A-Rod to give his decision which may not coincide with Carr.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Carr struggles in cold weather, New Orleans or Tennesse makes the most sense for him as a landing spot.

 

[Faust]

Good Morning Football @gmfb
Derek Carr to the...

Jets?
Saints?
Buccaneers?
Panthers?
Dolphins

The crew discusses the former Raiders QB and his potential next destination

https://twitter.com/gmfb/status/1625476683737493505?s=21

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So once he's released he'll be able to sign with another team and won't have to wait for free agency, correct?

 

[Snoopy]

So once he's released he'll be able to sign with another team and won't have to wait for free agency, correct?

yes. He is a vested veteran.

 

[-OZ-]

Carr struggles in cold weather, New Orleans or Tennesse makes the most sense for him as a landing spot.

Big no from Tennessee. I actually like the player but he isn’t better than Tannehill.

 

[-OZ-]

Jets are a nice fit. QBs on rookie-ish contracts, rookies that are top 5 talents at the position. They can make it work money wise

my concern is Jets will likely wait for A-Rod to give his decision which may not coincide with Carr.

Yeah, AA to NY seems to be a thing. A thing that might have no basis in reality but discussed nonetheless.

 

[Hankmoody]

So once he's released he'll be able to sign with another team and won't have to wait for free agency, correct?

yes. He is a vested veteran.

After the trade deadline all veterans go through waivers, so I believe this still has to happen, but the timing is interesting because technically the 2023 season hasn't rolled over yet.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

all veterans go through waivers

Interesting, because there's been no talk of teams that will claim him on waivers - just teams that would be interested in signing him once he's released.

Would a team have to pick up his guaranteed $40MM if he's claimed on waivers? If some team does, wouldn't that show releasing him was a huge blunder?

 

[DocHolliday]

all veterans go through waivers

Interesting, because there's been no talk of teams that will claim him on waivers - just teams that would be interested in signing him once he's released.

Would a team have to pick up his guaranteed $40MM if he's claimed on waivers? If some team does, wouldn't that show releasing him was a huge blunder?

Releasing him is a huge blunder period.

 

[Buckna]

One article says waiver period for vested veterans ends at the end of the calendar year but it was a few years old, another from last year says it ends with the SuperBowl, no idea if either is correct.

 

[Hankmoody]

One article says waiver period for vested veterans ends at the end of the calendar year but it was a few years old, another from last year says it ends with the SuperBowl, no idea if either is correct.

I would tend to believe the Superbowl is the deadline.

edit: maybe not

NFL Waiver System Overview | NFL Football Operations

operations.nfl.com

From the trading deadline through the end of the regular season, vested veterans are subject to the waiver process.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Raiders released him lmao

 

[Grahamburn]

Raiders released him lmao

Well of course they did.

 

[Faust]

Raiders released Derek Carr.​

ESPN's Adam Schefter notes that Carr is expected to draw interest from the Saints and Panthers. We've also seen the Jets and Titans linked to him in recent days. Carr will get a head start on free agency and can sign whenever he wants now that he's been released. His new deal won't carry draft pick compensation for the Raiders. We'd expect to see some visits lined up in the next few days. The Saints already visited with him in an attempt to get him to waive his no-trade clause to join the team last week.
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• , Tennessee Titans

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Feb 14, 2023, 3:38 PM ET

 

[Faust]

The Athletic's Zack Rosenblatt writes the Jets "view Carr as a significant upgrade over Zach Wilson."​

He adds that the Jets are "hoping" to come away with Carr or Aaron Rodgers this offseason. It seems like Carr is regarded as a fallback plan for the Jets for Rodgers, but this piece from Rosenblatt positions Carr as a clear No. 2 choice for New York. Domino one that would lead the Jets to Carr would be Rodgers re-committing to the Packers, but Carr's free agency will likely put some pressure on the Jets to move sooner rather than later. We'll likely have to wait and see what comes of the Rodgers darkness retreat.
RELATED:

• New York Jets

SOURCE: The Athletic
Feb 14, 2023, 2:31 PM ET

 

[Leroy Hoard]

The Athletic's Zack Rosenblatt writes the Jets "view Carr as a significant upgrade over Zach Wilson."​

He adds that the Jets are "hoping" to come away with Carr or Aaron Rodgers this offseason. It seems like Carr is regarded as a fallback plan for the Jets for Rodgers, but this piece from Rosenblatt positions Carr as a clear No. 2 choice for New York. Domino one that would lead the Jets to Carr would be Rodgers re-committing to the Packers, but Carr's free agency will likely put some pressure on the Jets to move sooner rather than later. We'll likely have to wait and see what comes of the Rodgers darkness retreat.
RELATED:

• New York Jets

SOURCE: The Athletic
Feb 14, 2023, 2:31 PM ET

LOL. I would certainly hope so.

 

[Faust]

Ranking Derek Carr’s Five Best Possible Fits: Jets and Colts Top the List

 

[ghostguy123]

IMO there are two clear options to building a SB champion team. 1) have a highly paid awesome qb and hope they carry the team 2). Have awesome weapons and put a rookie contract qb into the mix and hope it goes well (burrow right now).

Mid tier QBs like carr, ryan, cousins, etc get paid a lot without being able to win on their own and it messes up the cap space to build a complete team around them.

The hard part w #1 is knowing who is elite and not paying them beyond their usefulness. Rodgers was elite. He is being paid beyond his usefulness. And guys like Lamar Jackson and d jones it’s hard to say. I think w a younger guys like them you likely take the chance. But w carr you don’t. He’s had his chance.

The hard part w #2 is drafting the right QB. Which is why in that scenario you have to draft 1-2 per year until you hit.

Now sometimes #2 sets up where you can bring in an elite vet rather than a rook to get over the top. Ie mortgaging the future. And that’s been a SB recipe as of late - Stafford in la. Brady in tb. Manning in Den. Problem is w that once you win the SB you are done for a few years cause the cap goes really wonky and the qb walks away or gets injured.

Point is. Carr is not elite. He’s not a rookie. So he gets you nowhere. No way do I sign him. You can draft someone almost as good for way way less.

Let's say everything you said is true.
There's still a problem though. There are GMs, other front office guys, and coaches who need wins to keep their job. If everyone is given a guaranteed 10 year contract they can do what is theoretically best, but that won't happen. They are going for wins to keep their job.

 

[TartanLion]

IMO there are two clear options to building a SB champion team. 1) have a highly paid awesome qb and hope they carry the team 2). Have awesome weapons and put a rookie contract qb into the mix and hope it goes well (burrow right now).

Mid tier QBs like carr, ryan, cousins, etc get paid a lot without being able to win on their own and it messes up the cap space to build a complete team around them.

The hard part w #1 is knowing who is elite and not paying them beyond their usefulness. Rodgers was elite. He is being paid beyond his usefulness. And guys like Lamar Jackson and d jones it’s hard to say. I think w a younger guys like them you likely take the chance. But w carr you don’t. He’s had his chance.

The hard part w #2 is drafting the right QB. Which is why in that scenario you have to draft 1-2 per year until you hit.

Now sometimes #2 sets up where you can bring in an elite vet rather than a rook to get over the top. Ie mortgaging the future. And that’s been a SB recipe as of late - Stafford in la. Brady in tb. Manning in Den. Problem is w that once you win the SB you are done for a few years cause the cap goes really wonky and the qb walks away or gets injured.

Point is. Carr is not elite. He’s not a rookie. So he gets you nowhere. No way do I sign him. You can draft someone almost as good for way way less.

Maybe I’m delusional but I think carr in the right spot isn’t that far behind Stafford. Especially if you don’t have to give up picks. On a team like the Jets, I think he makes them a top 6 team - problem is the top 4 or 5 are also in the AFC.
Saints becomes interesting and I do think he’s an upgrade from Dalton.
Ultimately I’d bet on him going to Washington or NO but I’d like to see him with the jets.

Personally think Stafford's a lot better, or was anyway as hard to say now with the injuries piling up. Carr's a decent QB but don't see him as a difference maker.

Agreed. The Stafford that was traded to the Rams is streets ahead of Carr as an all round QB, mainly due to arm strength/ability to make any throw and a general mental toughness and record of comeback wins

Always sense with Carr, he’s got a bit of a soft underbelly and can be found wanting in big games/moments

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The Athletic's Zack Rosenblatt writes the Jets "view Carr as a significant upgrade over Zach Wilson."​

He adds that the Jets are "hoping" to come away with Carr or Aaron Rodgers this offseason. It seems like Carr is regarded as a fallback plan for the Jets for Rodgers, but this piece from Rosenblatt positions Carr as a clear No. 2 choice for New York. Domino one that would lead the Jets to Carr would be Rodgers re-committing to the Packers, but Carr's free agency will likely put some pressure on the Jets to move sooner rather than later. We'll likely have to wait and see what comes of the Rodgers darkness retreat.
RELATED:

• New York Jets

SOURCE: The Athletic
Feb 14, 2023, 2:31 PM ET

LOL. I would certainly hope so.

They also think Seinfeld was way funnier than E.R.

 

[Hankmoody]

They also think Seinfeld was way funnier than E.R.

I don't.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Raiders are just a mess for cutting this guy into a pool of teams with no qb. Guy should get 9 figures guaranteed by multiple teams within 24 hours

 

[Cjw_55106]

Raiders are just a mess for cutting this guy into a pool of teams with no qb. Guy should get 9 figures guaranteed by multiple teams within 24 hours

Their options were to cut him or pay him 40M. They already severed the ties when they benched him this year, and told him not to come to the facility. If they made a mistake, that was it outside of signing him originally, of course. At this point, they backed themselves into a corner and really had no option.

 

[Kiddnets]

Raiders are just a mess for cutting this guy into a pool of teams with no qb. Guy should get 9 figures guaranteed by multiple teams within 24 hours

Their options were to cut him or pay him 40M. They already severed the ties when they benched him this year, and told him not to come to the facility. If they made a mistake, that was it outside of signing him originally, of course. At this point, they backed themselves into a corner and really had no option.

agreed - talk about tipping your hand. Obviously there always is some injury risk but if they played it cool and rolled the dice with him finishing out the year I definitely think they would have gotten something.

 

[ghostguy123]

Yes benching him was very stupid

 

[ChiefD]

The worst part about this is Carr's agent absolutely schooled the Raiders. There is no way a 31 year old QB with some actual good skills should get away scot-free without compensation to the Raiders.

I honestly feel bad for the Raiders. One thing I love about the AFC West is there is some honest-to-goodness GREAT rivalries in play. Ones that date back to pre-merger days. I hate to see those fade because of pure incompetence.

And it's a shame that Mark Davis is such a turd. His dad would be sick about how that team is run now.

 

[Boston]

IMO there are two clear options to building a SB champion team. 1) have a highly paid awesome qb and hope they carry the team 2). Have awesome weapons and put a rookie contract qb into the mix and hope it goes well (burrow right now).

Mid tier QBs like carr, ryan, cousins, etc get paid a lot without being able to win on their own and it messes up the cap space to build a complete team around them.

The hard part w #1 is knowing who is elite and not paying them beyond their usefulness. Rodgers was elite. He is being paid beyond his usefulness. And guys like Lamar Jackson and d jones it’s hard to say. I think w a younger guys like them you likely take the chance. But w carr you don’t. He’s had his chance.

The hard part w #2 is drafting the right QB. Which is why in that scenario you have to draft 1-2 per year until you hit.

Now sometimes #2 sets up where you can bring in an elite vet rather than a rook to get over the top. Ie mortgaging the future. And that’s been a SB recipe as of late - Stafford in la. Brady in tb. Manning in Den. Problem is w that once you win the SB you are done for a few years cause the cap goes really wonky and the qb walks away or gets injured.

Point is. Carr is not elite. He’s not a rookie. So he gets you nowhere. No way do I sign him. You can draft someone almost as good for way way less.

Let's say everything you said is true.
There's still a problem though. There are GMs, other front office guys, and coaches who need wins to keep their job. If everyone is given a guaranteed 10 year contract they can do what is theoretically best, but that won't happen. They are going for wins to keep their job.

It is amazing how people don't factor this into the equation...you don't keep your job by kicking the QB can down the road and stringing together 6-win seasons...that is the disconnect with today's NFL and why there are a good number of bad contracts and draft picks at that position.

 

[joey]

The worst part about this is Carr's agent absolutely schooled the Raiders. There is no way a 31 year old QB with some actual good skills should get away scot-free without compensation to the Raiders.

I honestly feel bad for the Raiders. One thing I love about the AFC West is there is some honest-to-goodness GREAT rivalries in play. Ones that date back to pre-merger days. I hate to see those fade because of pure incompetence.

And it's a shame that Mark Davis is such a turd. His dad would be sick about how that team is run now.

Don’t sell Al short. He did a fine job destroying this franchise for a few decades as well. A shell of his former self.
Mark Davis is just picking up where his dad left off.

Signed,
Fully Dejected Raiders Fan

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

They also think Seinfeld was way funnier than E.R.

ER or Scrubs?

 

[menobrown]

Sorry but not seeing the big deal here. They did not want Carr any longer, if they did they could have just kept him.

They will likely be in on Rodgers and Jimmy G. The later being an example of another vet QB that was just set free so it does happen and I think they'd strongly prefer him.

If they strike out on those two and the draft then I think they are open to serious ridicule. But right now I just see a team that did not think Carr was the answer in a tough AFC, with a second year coach who wants a chance to install a QB he thinks is an upgrade so I'm not rushing to say they made any bad decision yet.

 

[massraider]

Raiders are just a mess for cutting this guy into a pool of teams with no qb. Guy should get 9 figures guaranteed by multiple teams within 24 hours

Their options were to cut him or pay him 40M. They already severed the ties when they benched him this year, and told him not to come to the facility. If they made a mistake, that was it outside of signing him originally, of course. At this point, they backed themselves into a corner and really had no option.

agreed - talk about tipping your hand. Obviously there always is some injury risk but if they played it cool and rolled the dice with him finishing out the year I definitely think they would have gotten something.

He still has a no trade clause, and Feb 15 guarantee date.

Benching him didn't matter. They have to get rid of him while everyone is on vacation. Whether he found out he wasn't wanted in December or January, he controlled his own destiny.

 

[ZADO]

The worst part about this is Carr's agent absolutely schooled the Raiders. There is no way a 31 year old QB with some actual good skills should get away scot-free without compensation to the Raiders.

I honestly feel bad for the Raiders. One thing I love about the AFC West is there is some honest-to-goodness GREAT rivalries in play. Ones that date back to pre-merger days. I hate to see those fade because of pure incompetence.

And it's a shame that Mark Davis is such a turd. His dad would be sick about how that team is run now.

He wasnt doing much better than his son, and lets not forget hes the guy who triied to destroy Marcus Allens career.

 

[Buckna]

Raiders are just a mess for cutting this guy into a pool of teams with no qb. Guy should get 9 figures guaranteed by multiple teams within 24 hours

Their options were to cut him or pay him 40M. They already severed the ties when they benched him this year, and told him not to come to the facility. If they made a mistake, that was it outside of signing him originally, of course. At this point, they backed themselves into a corner and really had no option.

agreed - talk about tipping your hand. Obviously there always is some injury risk but if they played it cool and rolled the dice with him finishing out the year I definitely think they would have gotten something.

He still has a no trade clause, and Feb 15 guarantee date.

Benching him didn't matter. They have to get rid of him while everyone is on vacation. Whether he found out he wasn't wanted in December or January, he controlled his own destiny.

Yep no trade clause and such an early deadline hamstrung them. Congrats to his agent for putting those in, when was the last time you heard of guarantees and such kicking in in February? It’s almost always the first few days in March at the start of the league year.

 

[GreenNGold]

The Raiders should have released McDaniels and stuck with Carr, but here we are. It will be interesting to see where he goes and how he does on his new team.

 

[massraider]

The Raiders should have released McDaniels and stuck with Carr, but here we are. It will be interesting to see where he goes and how he does on his new team.

Definitely.

If there is one thing NFL fans have been telling Raider fans for years it is this: You Can Win A Super Bowl With Derek Carr.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, I would have bought myself some M&Ms

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I’m still not hearing any mention of Carr needing to clear waivers.

 

[zamboni]

I’m still not hearing any mention of Carr needing to clear waivers.

I believe waivers applies only to players with less than 4 years experience, which obviously Carr is well beyond.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I’m still not hearing any mention of Carr needing to clear waivers.

I believe waivers applies only to players with less than 4 years experience, which obviously Carr is well beyond.

Yeah, I’m not sure but some one that’s knowledgeable on these things said he’d be subject to waivers in here - but it’s not looking like that is the case.

 

[zamboni]

I’m still not hearing any mention of Carr needing to clear waivers.

I believe waivers applies only to players with less than 4 years experience, which obviously Carr is well beyond.

Yeah, I’m not sure but some one that’s knowledgeable on these things said he’d be subject to waivers in here - but it’s not looking like that is the case.

Actually in reading a bit more, it seems like Carr may indeed be subject to waivers because the new league year doesn't start until March. I admittedly don't know all the nuances, so I'll let more knowledgeable folks clarify.

 

[Faust]

Derek Carr landing spots in 2023: Four potential NFL team fits for four-time Pro Bowl QB

 

[ICON211]

I don't have a link, but he is not subject to waivers. Upon his release he is now a free agent and can sign anywhere.

 

[Buckna]

I’m still not hearing any mention of Carr needing to clear waivers.

I believe waivers applies only to players with less than 4 years experience, which obviously Carr is well beyond.

Yeah, I’m not sure but some one that’s knowledgeable on these things said he’d be subject to waivers in here - but it’s not looking like that is the case.

Actually in reading a bit more, it seems like Carr may indeed be subject to waivers because the new league year doesn't start until March. I admittedly don't know all the nuances, so I'll let more knowledgeable folks clarify.

Earlier in thread it was brought up, vets are subject to waivers after the trade deadline, but there is some confusion on when that stipulation ends: is it after the Super Bowl or after the regular season ends or at the start of new league year? Super Bowl makes the most sense as that way a playoff team couldn’t sign a cut guy at the last minute. Plus allows teams to release players prior to FA and the start of the new league year. Given the timing of when Carr’s guarantee kicked in, after Super Bowl makes sense there too.