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QB Deshaun Watson, CLE (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Achilles is brutal.
Can the browns do an injury settlement?
Can the browns do an injury settlement?
MAC_32
Footballguy
$0 incentive for Watson to so that
BespokeJort
Footballguy
I wonder how much motivation there is to work your *** off in rehab to come back and not be good, for a franchise that doesn’t want you and a fanbase that hates you, media guaranteed to pick you apart etc etc etc (all justified imo but regardless). If you can medically retire and take the money and disappear to no longer be a public figure…seems like it might be best for everyone idk
-OZ-
Footballguy
Best thing he can do is ride off into the sunset. Or just sit a couple years.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If you are only viewing it through the lense of money, sure
Snoopy
Footballguy
Tonya Harding was the culprit to Nancy.
MAC_32
Footballguy
What's the other angle? Releasing him early and eating some $ isn't viable because no one else is signing him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
From Watson's perspective
MAC_32
Footballguy
So he's just gonna donate some money cause my bad?
Chaka
Footballguy
What other lens would Watson view it through? I mean, last year it seemed potentially he may have been mailing it in but "rust" was a plausible excuse. This year it seems obvious he just has zero desire to be on the field and only wants to cash a paycheck. Frankly, I imagine he would be grateful if he had a season ending achilles. One season closer to realizing the entire value of his contract without overtly looking like he quit before the trade happened.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Sign her as Cleveland’s emergency qb3 then
amnesiac
beer is good
apparently the offense functioned as intended.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I pretty sure Giants fans said similar things about Daniel Jones but mysteriously he is still starting.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Jimmy has a new stadium to pitch and tickets to sell. That ain't happening if Groper Cleveland returns.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Not to relitigate it 30 years later, but Tonya wasn't the culprit. Her abusive ex planned the attack and got his buddy to carry it out. There's some debate about how culpable Harding was, but she definitely was not the driving force.
In any event, I meant "do to him what was done to Kerrigan". I think everyone got my drift
jabarony
Footballguy
He should go into the stands and swing his helmet at all of them. Then call them racist.
CTE already?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, that's kinda what happens when people retire.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'd honestly be surprised if he does.
I couldn't even get a 3rd. At that point I had to hold and pray that he put up some decent numbers and that I could flip him in season to an owner with injury or bye week problems.
We can see how that turned out.
Is there a team out there that would sign Watson when he is done in Cleveland? With all the baggage and with the diminished returns on field it would seem to me to be extremely stupid to bring him in for any reason even if as a backup. If he isn't able to play again in Cleveland during his current contract he has got to be done for sure, imo.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Why wouldn't Watson just start a normal Achilles rehab like everyone else this happens to in the NFL like Aaron Rodgers last season?
It's Week 7, he might be ready by Week 1 next season
Browns need to stand by their man
And let's hear what Myles Garrett said after the game...
"No one deserves that," Garrett said, via Awful Announcing, postgame. "I've seen him work his *** off to get back here and put a smile on his face and try to put everything that's outside the facility behind him. Death threats, [people] come to his house. People going after his family. Like I said, no one deserves that. I hate using the word deserve. I'm usually consistent saying earned. He hadn't earned it, and he doesn't deserve it. Man does pretty much everything right. A model citizen through college and also the pros. Plays the game as hard as anyone I've ever seen. Puts everything on the line, willing to throw his body out there. He plays the game at 100 miles an hour, and there's a risk of being injured, and he took that risk. We have to be there for him as a team and as an organization. We can't look down on a guy because of any mistakes on the field or anything off the field. We don't have any moral high ground to look down on the guy."
Trying to cut him, injury settlement, whatever you want to say the Browns best move is to stand by their man.
Everybody is watching them right now. It's easy to try and walk away, actually its not with what they committed to
I did see where Russ Wilson $245M, $165M guaranteed and then there was "FULLY Guaranteed" and that amounted to something like $125M just to keep a round number and Denver is finished to my knowledge after this season. Steelers only on the hook for like $1.5M maybe but Russ did get his $125M
I know it all sounds good that his achilles means the Browns get immediate cap relief but I find that hard to believe and why wouldn't that apply to other major injuries to other teams?
The whole Salary Cap- Insurance...I haven't quite connected the dots on how this benefits anyone other than the owner but I'm trying to keep an open mind.
-But again, why wouldn't Watson just start a normal rehab for 2025? Why is he special?
Jameis Winston also with some very pointed words after the game vs Cincinnati, really sticking his neck out for Watson
LeBron James also lambasting the Cleveland fan base
It's Week 7, he might be ready by Week 1 next season
Browns need to stand by their man
And let's hear what Myles Garrett said after the game...
"No one deserves that," Garrett said, via Awful Announcing, postgame. "I've seen him work his *** off to get back here and put a smile on his face and try to put everything that's outside the facility behind him. Death threats, [people] come to his house. People going after his family. Like I said, no one deserves that. I hate using the word deserve. I'm usually consistent saying earned. He hadn't earned it, and he doesn't deserve it. Man does pretty much everything right. A model citizen through college and also the pros. Plays the game as hard as anyone I've ever seen. Puts everything on the line, willing to throw his body out there. He plays the game at 100 miles an hour, and there's a risk of being injured, and he took that risk. We have to be there for him as a team and as an organization. We can't look down on a guy because of any mistakes on the field or anything off the field. We don't have any moral high ground to look down on the guy."
Trying to cut him, injury settlement, whatever you want to say the Browns best move is to stand by their man.
Everybody is watching them right now. It's easy to try and walk away, actually its not with what they committed to
I did see where Russ Wilson $245M, $165M guaranteed and then there was "FULLY Guaranteed" and that amounted to something like $125M just to keep a round number and Denver is finished to my knowledge after this season. Steelers only on the hook for like $1.5M maybe but Russ did get his $125M
I know it all sounds good that his achilles means the Browns get immediate cap relief but I find that hard to believe and why wouldn't that apply to other major injuries to other teams?
The whole Salary Cap- Insurance...I haven't quite connected the dots on how this benefits anyone other than the owner but I'm trying to keep an open mind.
-But again, why wouldn't Watson just start a normal rehab for 2025? Why is he special?
Jameis Winston also with some very pointed words after the game vs Cincinnati, really sticking his neck out for Watson
LeBron James also lambasting the Cleveland fan base
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
"Bush League and Classless"
-Shannon Sharpe on the Cleveland Fans in the Stands at the Stadium on Sunday
Sharp words from Sharpe
-Shannon Sharpe on the Cleveland Fans in the Stands at the Stadium on Sunday
Sharp words from Sharpe
And I'd be surprised if he does not. Extremely so.
A big question surrounding Deshaun Watson’s Achilles injury: How much of his salary is insured by the Browns?
The subject of insurance covering for season-ending injuries was in the spotlight last season, when it was reported that the Jets failed to protect any of the $37M in guaranteed salary owed to Aaron Rodgers.
sports.yahoo.com
Maybe he'll play again, like I said just think it's possible he doesn't. He's a bad QB, with his history doubt another team would want much to do with him, maybe Cleveland will give him one more shot. But they also need to seriously think about their future, can't just wait around for a crappy QB to get healthy.
Again have to say I'm afraid I must disagree.
We have Watson himself as an example and as I have said over and over again it's not just the Browns who were lining up to make that trade with the Texans and that's with that baggage fully known.
Countless other examples.
So the counter to that is, "yeah, but that's when teams thought he was good". That's true. But, he was also expensive in salary and trade capital when teams were willing to look past that baggage. If we are going to game out a scenario where Cleveland cuts the cord that would put him in a situation similar to the one Russ Wilson was in this year. League minimum, dirt cheap because someone else is paying his salary and unlike Wilson they might be paying his salary for multiple years in this scenario making him a multiple season dirt cheap option. What I strongly contend is even with his play not being great during most of his return that if he's a league minimum type player while the Browns are paying his salary he's going to have options with multiple teams to continue his career.
Mentioned countless other examples and the the one that is most similar is Vicks coming out of prison. Almost two years in confinement lead to a lot of questions if he was still any good and the baggage was every bit as high as Watson's. But he was cheap and free to acquire and did not take long at all to get signed.
I could easily see someone kicking the tires or having him in as a backup. There’s a massive shortage of QB’s and as bad as he’s been you can at least point to injuries on the Browns line as a big excuse for his poor play this year. If he’s cut before the 2026 season, I definitely see a team bringing him in for the minimum while Cleveland pays him just like Russell Wilson for Pittsburgh this year. We can only speculate on his mentality and what he’s thinking though if that’s something he wants to do. (From his play on the field sure seems like he might just be there to collect his guaranteed and be done IMO)
If the Browns stick with him as the starter in 2025, hopefully they can land a very good WR1 in FA (Higgins?) or the draft (I don’t believe in Jeudy) to help him out and get the o’line healthy. Plus that benefits any future QB they draft or bring in once Watson inevitably sucks again a year from now (IMO)
If the Browns stick with him as the starter in 2025, hopefully they can land a very good WR1 in FA (Higgins?) or the draft (I don’t believe in Jeudy) to help him out and get the o’line healthy. Plus that benefits any future QB they draft or bring in once Watson inevitably sucks again a year from now (IMO)
Vick was good before he went to prison, don't see that as similar at all.
You had no idea if Vick was still good after almost two years of prison confinement. So to me it's pretty dead on similar.
Maybe one team will take a chance, think back to Kareem Hunt (Watson's crimes/behavior were much worse, not comparing those) most teams wouldn't take him until finally one team (the Browns lol) finally gave him a chance.
But Watson can't play now.
thought this was an Onion article
Heard a bunch of people say "Stefanski was losing the lockeroom" by sticking with Watson. This does not sound like that at all.
Browns need to find a doc who will make the recovery as long as possible.
btemp
Footballguy
I don't know how representative Garrett's comments are. At that stage, having played with a guy, you're not ripping him just after he had a serious injury.
I had a friend who played in a Grey Cup (Canadian Super Bowl, but going for over a 100 years) and the future HoF running back on the team was going around to the team and telling them they'd better not **** up the game because he wanted his bonus and incentive check. He was pissed at the thought of losing that money and the game hadn't even started
You lose the locker room because guys are losing money and future opportunities. That doesn't affect Garrett one iota.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Wasn’t Garrett the one who swung a helmet at Mason Rudolph?I don't know how representative Garrett's comments are. At that stage, having played with a guy, you're not ripping him just after he had a serious injury.
I had a friend who played in a Grey Cup (Canadian Super Bowl, but going for over a 100 years) and the future HoF running back on the team was going around to the team and telling them they'd better not **** up the game because he wanted his bonus and incentive check. He was pissed at the thought of losing that money and the game hadn't even started
You lose the locker room because guys are losing money and future opportunities. That doesn't affect Garrett one iota.
Not sure he’s exactly the SME on what makes a “model citizen”.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I can see it now, after he has spent his last day on earth, he will think he's going to heaven when there is a massage table waiting on him. But soon finds out it's an eternal massage, from which will never end, from Mr. T. "Now lay down sucka. I pity the fool!" -- Mr. T
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Rudolph was running at him to fight with two other Steelers surrounding him. I'll give Myles a pass on that oneWasn’t Garrett the one who swung a helmet at Mason Rudolph?I don't know how representative Garrett's comments are. At that stage, having played with a guy, you're not ripping him just after he had a serious injury.
I had a friend who played in a Grey Cup (Canadian Super Bowl, but going for over a 100 years) and the future HoF running back on the team was going around to the team and telling them they'd better not **** up the game because he wanted his bonus and incentive check. He was pissed at the thought of losing that money and the game hadn't even started
You lose the locker room because guys are losing money and future opportunities. That doesn't affect Garrett one iota.
Not sure he’s exactly the SME on what makes a “model citizen”.
I think those things are factors as well as not winning and when players feel like other players are not being putting in the work or being held accountable are other reasons.
I know a lot of people say Watson does not care. Got his money and mailed it in. I really don't think that was the case and if it was players like Garrett would not be defending him.
