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QB Dillon Gabriel, CLE (9 Viewers)
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Y'all need to calm down. This is how you got into this mess. Dopey rushed QB decisions and a disorganized team and then Baker Watson craziness.
One week isn't gonna kill ya.
Get some order and don't thrust a rookie into this mess.
We all know their next solution will be how about we put another rookie into this mess.
And what if next off-season, we don't know if Sheduer and Gabriel are good bad or just not mess cleaners? Then they'll add another.
This is so common for Browns fans right now. Just give it a week or two. Maybe the rookie has 60 carries and they run a two and three TE offense til they lose their breath.
You absolutely don't want a rookie throwing out of a dumpster and trying to gauge his future.
IDC about Stefanski's job with Schwartz absolutely rocking with the defense. He can replace him if need be and hire an OC.
If y'all panic you'll be tumbling down the stairs and joining my Titans in a race for a draft pick
Football Jones
Footballguy
The Browns have one of the best Ds in recent history. Imagine if their offense could sustain drives. They would be dangerous with a decent O. Once they realize Flacco is done, Shedeur is one play away.
I can't believe Gabriel was a day-2 pick. Then again, I can't believe Sanders went off the board on day 3.
I can't believe Gabriel was a day-2 pick. Then again, I can't believe Sanders went off the board on day 3.
I went to her Twitter and here's her article saying they should go with Gabriel.
www.cleveland.com
And yet here's her coach's video she discussed on the radio when saying they need to wait
So the longtime reporter legend is confusing me now
Why it’s time for the Browns to start Dillon Gabriel over Joe Flacco beginning Sunday in London vs. the Vikings: Mary Kay Cabot
The Browns should turn the offense over to rookie quarterback Dillon Gabriel beginning Sunday in London.
And yet here's her coach's video she discussed on the radio when saying they need to wait
So the longtime reporter legend is confusing me now
Shedeur is not good
Football Jones
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Browns have something to play for.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Not harsh at all... other than the part where you called me a Browns fan. That stung a little
But seriously, the coaches have to consider the rest of the roster, no? To trot out... oh sorry... to wheel out Flacco is asking the rest of the team to put themselves in harm's way and risk careers over a 0% chance to compete. All are better served to just forfeit the game.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Honestly, go with Gabriel for a few games then unless he’s doing well start sanders. Most likely they’ll find both aren’t good, which is why their trade down from Hunter was made in the first place - they’re in decent shape to get their QB next year.I went to her Twitter and here's her article saying they should go with Gabriel.
Why it’s time for the Browns to start Dillon Gabriel over Joe Flacco beginning Sunday in London vs. the Vikings: Mary Kay Cabot
The Browns should turn the offense over to rookie quarterback Dillon Gabriel beginning Sunday in London.
And yet here's her coach's video she discussed on the radio when saying they need to wait
So the longtime reporter legend is confusing me now
Football Jones
Footballguy
We can debate whether Sanders is going to be good, but the real question should be is he better than Flacco and Gabriel?
If Shedeur played like Flacco has thru 4 games, he'd be flamed into the atmosphere, lol.
If Shedeur played like Flacco has thru 4 games, he'd be flamed into the atmosphere, lol.
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Not sure if Gabriel is good but the Browns obviously feel he is better than Sanders.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Hard to imagine either can be worse than Flacco. He seems completely spent.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I have no doubt they do, lol. Gabriel in the 3rd round answers that question.
Anyway, we're going to see just how good Gabriel is...sooner or later.
The best QB in Browns camp was Kenny Pickett. It was always dumb to trade him.
I think Gabriel's mobility will probably help in one way, but I think everything else will likely be a downgrade, especially passing over 20 yards, which will be non-existent.
I get why they'd move on from Flacco, he hasn't been even decent, but like, it CAN get worse. I do wonder if there is some chance we see Watson again?
I think Gabriel's mobility will probably help in one way, but I think everything else will likely be a downgrade, especially passing over 20 yards, which will be non-existent.
I get why they'd move on from Flacco, he hasn't been even decent, but like, it CAN get worse. I do wonder if there is some chance we see Watson again?
Footballdaz
Footballguy
Hope he has a man crush on Fannin. That is all
warpig33
Footballguy
Huh?! Have you asked him?!
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
The one thing about DG is at least he can move and extend the pocket. I think Flacco could be out soon anyway, with the hits he has been taking.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And so it begins...........
Can't wait to see the overreaction after one game (whichever way it goes).
Oh wait, Gabriel gets the start and not Sanders? Oh, nevermind then, ho hum, nothing to see here.
Can't wait to see the overreaction after one game (whichever way it goes).
Oh wait, Gabriel gets the start and not Sanders? Oh, nevermind then, ho hum, nothing to see here.
MAC_32
Footballguy
This team ****ed up. Again. Yes, I've watched Joe. He can't do it behind this line. This isn't about that. This is about putting a rookie in a spot they can be successful. A short week flying to Europe to play a team that's already acclimated with a nasty defense that is especially challenging on young QB's given the current tackle situation is crazy. Then this team flies back to the states to play a similar defense that's had a bye to rest up. Week 7 was always the time to make this move, and still is - this is a mistake.
amnesiac
beer is good
you're correct.
This team ****ed up. Again. Yes, I've watched Joe. He can't do it behind this line. This isn't about that. This is about putting a rookie in a spot they can be successful. A short week flying to Europe to play a team that's already acclimated with a nasty defense that is especially challenging on young QB's given the current tackle situation is crazy. Then this team flies back to the states to play a similar defense that's had a bye to rest up. Week 7 was always the time to make this move, and still is - this is a mistake.
they're desperate to try to save this season.
Gabriel was Stefanski's pick.
he's got to try to make it look like they are heading in a good direction or he's gone.
no way he can survive another 3-14 season.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Does Stefanski have a choice? They have a great D. Why waste it? It's not like this is rocket science.
I thought Gabriel was a bizarre pick. I question whether he can even be a legit backup. It was almost as bizarre as Shedeur lasting until the 5th round. That said, if Gabriel can play mistake-free, be affective as a runner/scrambler, and Stefanski gets creative, they've got a chance.
I thought Gabriel was a bizarre pick. I question whether he can even be a legit backup. It was almost as bizarre as Shedeur lasting until the 5th round. That said, if Gabriel can play mistake-free, be affective as a runner/scrambler, and Stefanski gets creative, they've got a chance.
The draft was in April.
You were proven wrong then and when your boy got beaten out in camp and now when they need a QB to step in.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeahhhhhh (like in Office Space), I don't think anything is proven yet, lol. Also, getting "beat out" in camp by a player taken 2 rounds ahead of you is no surprise. That's how it typically works.
BTW, I have no idea if Shedeur is an NFL starter, but the 5th round was a joke. Teams are essentially dead because of sub-par QB play and he doesn't get taken until the 5th? Gabriel being taken in the 3rd is literal proof of the desperation to land a decent starter. Sanders in the 5th wasn't about talent...that was about teams being afraid of a potential circus, all while suffering at the position. Ok, well, good luck with that strategy.
Whether people like it or not, Shedeur is going to get his chance, sooner or later. I wouldn't bet money either way on whether he's any good.
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steelcityman
Footballguy
you really cant believe that? Really?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Well...I believe it now, lol.you really cant believe that? Really?
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I wonder how this will play out though.you're correct.
This team ****ed up. Again. Yes, I've watched Joe. He can't do it behind this line. This isn't about that. This is about putting a rookie in a spot they can be successful. A short week flying to Europe to play a team that's already acclimated with a nasty defense that is especially challenging on young QB's given the current tackle situation is crazy. Then this team flies back to the states to play a similar defense that's had a bye to rest up. Week 7 was always the time to make this move, and still is - this is a mistake.
they're desperate to try to save this season.
Gabriel was Stefanski's pick.
he's got to try to make it look like they are heading in a good direction or he's gone.
no way he can survive another 3-14 season.
He has an almost mulligan with the very high contract and trade value for Watson.
The last two hiring cycles, we have had candidates decline interviews with some teams.
The QB circus got even more acts when they drafted two.
Ben Johnson would not say why he declined the Titans interview but to give a standard HR type response. (We didn't hear who else declined or why just that others did) When that happened people had opinions and they were very much not good. The Titans replaced their training staff, a ton of their scouts, and added front office people with like a zillion years experience into consultant type roles.
I think the Bears were declined interviews and yet got Ben. I don't recall if they had to make changes to appease the masses and seem more inviting and better ran.
I would guess the Browns can't just fire Stefanski and keep things status quo either. Keeping him to "look good" and get someone else seems illogical so that won't happen.
I don't recall Watson's cap number or the Browns but I heard it mentioned recently. Both numbers were OMG. They couldn't play salary cap games like the Saints and do anything there? That's so imposing.
Add in whatever beliefs in changing a system on young QBs.
So circling back- I actually think a case could be made to keep Stefanski, poll the league and take a year to implement some changes to look more attractive to candidates.
I gotta question if they're an enviable destination before 2027. I'm sorry for Browns fans because Watson trade is so impactful and negative. It's just...I have my doubts about them attracting a HC replacement that they maybe daydream about when considering firing Stefanski.
Stefanski's camp will have a valid argument that if you throw 70 mil at his offense they could look a ton better. That guy might even be able to coax his way into another job rather quickly like Vrabel almost did.
I really wish I knew more about the Browns organization. Maybe someone here can comment if I'm on a good path here and they really may need to spend a year getting their ducks in a row.
(This is not to say my Titans did things well. They revamped things and now have a triumvirate leadership of 5-6 people showing the NFL they can't even count to three- but at the time they did seem more appealing)
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I don't believe in Dillon Gabriel for redraft purposes and don't think this 3rd round Rookie QB is ready to go out there and lead the offense on Sunday
I have skill players like Judkins and both Tight Ends spread across several leagues, I just don't see Gabriel being ready and I think we might see something lie the Bengals over the last 2 games
I hope I'm wrong...but I doubt this kid is ready
You're telling me that 31 teams passed on this kid twice but the Browns knew he was a steal in the 3rd?
I can no longer give the Browns the benefit of the doubt and there are other teams that also fit into this box
I have skill players like Judkins and both Tight Ends spread across several leagues, I just don't see Gabriel being ready and I think we might see something lie the Bengals over the last 2 games
I hope I'm wrong...but I doubt this kid is ready
You're telling me that 31 teams passed on this kid twice but the Browns knew he was a steal in the 3rd?
I can no longer give the Browns the benefit of the doubt and there are other teams that also fit into this box
I have no skin in the game from the fantasy football perspective.
I don’t know if Gabriel is the answer for the Browns but I know Flacco is not.
Why not put the kid in to see what you have to help with the Browns 2026 draft?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I hear you Max, let me share some facts that are indisputable
Gabriel is a 24 yr old rookie QB...Fact
Gabriel played for 3 different colleges running from programs where he could not beat out other superior QBs so he darts thru the portal to another school, UCF, OK and Oregon, Fact
Gabriel stands tall at 5 foot 10, they say he's 5-11 but look when he stands around tho other players, he might be 5-9.5
Gabriel is under 6 feet tall and playing Quarterback in the NFL, Fact
Gabriel weighs in at about 200, that's pretty small to play Quarterback. By any measurements Gabriel would be one of the smallest Quarterbacks starting an NFL game this Sunday, Fact
I wish him the best of luck this weekend but we could see Sanders as early as this weekend
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I remember being puzzled by the pick.
Agree with everything that you said.
But think of it this way. Flacco plays out the rest of the season, Browns go to the 2026 draft and don’t have as good of a feel as they should about drafting a QB.
Do I think Gabriel or Shadeur are going to good? No. But there’s a chance.
General Malaise
Footballguy
lol....this is silly.
I'll ignore the fact that you made the same point twice. He left UCF for a much better and bigger opportunity. Nobody runs from a Mickey Mouse college to a real football powerhouse to start as their QB. That's not how these things work.
2nd year at OU, he completes 70% of his passes for 3,660 yards 30 TDs and added12 TDs on the ground. He transferred out because OU's OC left and his draft grades weren't there. He didn't want to chance it with a defensive minded coach and Oregon just put a transfer QB into the NFL first round. Oh, and the superior QB he couldn't beat out? Benched before September ended and transferred out. I'm assuming you're doing bits here.
He's starting for Cleveland because he's not only better than Sanders, he's got mobility and with a leaky line, the Browns have to turn to a mobile QB who is accurate and experienced. A QB that beat some of the best teams in college. Sanders shrank in the biggest games. And to the extent he does try to run, he runs backwards which, while entertaining in college, is a recipe for disaster in the NFL.
Did Pickett even participate in camp?
Nothing personal MoP, but I just wanted to pipe up to say I'm sick of hearing this argument anywhere about anybody. How many times did you and your league mates pass on someone in your draft this year? There are all sorts of reasons, one of which this year was the fact that not many teams needed a QB so why would you reach.
MAC_32
Footballguy
This leadership group SHOULD have another mulligan on this season. I'm concerned that this move now indicates they don't. Week 7 always made sense and it's only been reaffirmed by what's transpired over the first month of the season. Now, why should they have another mulligan? Because it appears they nailed this draft. That's what needed demonstrated this season. Tangible reason to believe in the future, even if it doesn't translate to wins right now. Mason Graham was a home run. Carson Schwesinger too. He's only been on the team for 3 weeks, but Quinshon Judkins is on the same path. And we'll see where Harold Fannin lands, but he appears to at least be starting caliber. There is now a young core to build from, there wasn't until now.
Next year this team has an extra first round pick to work with. They'll also shed the Watson contract with a post June 1 cut, so the cap hit is the same as if he were on the team. They'll also collect insurance money against the cap. How much is to be determined, but both parties have every reason to milk this all season, so the Browns net the maximum ($40 some million). Since they've let Newsome's base ride in 2025, I assume they're not worried about next year's cap, but they'll also have Ward's $17m base to work with if they need more space. There is also this year's carryover and other insurance savings (Emerson, JOK, D Jones, etc). To use round numbers, this team probably has at least ~$60m to work with before the draft, maybe more if there's more serious injuries. The only major problem on D appears to be at corner. All other expiring deals appear to be depth and we may just be able to retain our own at backup rates. Beyond the CB hole, Njoku and the entire OL are expiring and aged 30+. For modeling purposes, assume the available cap space goes towards re-upping Njoku, 2-3 OL (one guard, one right tackle) whether they're our own or not, whoever they keep between Newsome and Emerson, and a slot corner. This positions the team to need to address early in the draft are LT and WR then iOL in the mid rounds.
Obviously, this does not solve the QB problem, but if Gabriel is what Stefanski thinks he is, he can keep this team afloat with that supporting cast around him. I'm a lot more concerned about getting there now than I was a week ago though.
MAC_32
Footballguy
No, that's why he was moved. Whether he was plan A or plan B is inconsequential at this point, he wasn't healthy enough to show he could be either. No matter where you fell with Pickett, citing him right now as a criticism is soaked in hindsight.
MAC_32
Footballguy
The way the first 4 games went, Flacco was never going to play the full season. Gabriel's time was coming and if he doesn't show a spark then Sanders will be next. The problem with all this is timing, it's crazy stupid this is the situation Gabriel is being thrust into.
So what’s the better option?
guys, its very possible either of you c could be right on this.
Ill admit I didnt do a ton of homework on the Browns as it felt like Cleveland was a bit of a train wreck waiting to happen.
but plenty of QB drafted in round 2 or later have turned out to be good QB. Scouting and Drafting QB is one of the hardest thing to do at the NFL level. if it was Easy Brady and cousins would have been first round picks.
Lets try to keep an open mind about this and have a reasonable discussion about what we actually see on the field.
This kid will be starting this week from the look of it. While it truly takes years (not weeks) to truly evaluate a young QB, but after seeing what he does next week, we will have a better idea of what we have in him. Even if the overall performance is bad we need to look at whether he flashes ability, and shows (at the very least) that hes not overwhelmed by play at this level.
If scouting him thats what I'm looking for at this point. the key is not to necessarily focus just on the stats cuz stats can deceive you sometimes.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Thanks GM
You start with an adjective to discredit the facts/post that were listed, straight out of the GM playbook.
Why is it silly to question DG's abilities to play the QB position in the NFL?
Your post is emotional and filled with happy thoughts but I don't see many facts and none of that rosy fluff you posted changes a single word that I wrote
Dillon Gabriel doesn't suddenly walk on the field 6 foot 3 after your post does he? He's still 5-10 and you know why? Because it's a F-A-C-T!
That's why I took the time to get his measurements in print, NFL QBs for the most part that experience success these days are built like Josh Allen, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino and I'm still not sure which if any of those 4 would have had success in Cleveland so add it all up and Gabriel is not only diminutive but has an uphill climb just wearing a Browns expansion uniform
"He's starting for Cleveland because he's not only better than Sanders, he's got mobility and with a leaky line"...Opinion not a fact
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Does anyone have a report from any of the local beat writers in Cleveland about the Showcase that Gabriel must be displaying in practice on a daily basis?
I would assume assume Gabriel just blows Flacco away and demands the football be placed in his throwing hand, the Vets must be rallying behind him
Gabriel is a small size QB that also is left handed, we hadn't gotten to tha Fact yet either
I would assume assume Gabriel just blows Flacco away and demands the football be placed in his throwing hand, the Vets must be rallying behind him
Gabriel is a small size QB that also is left handed, we hadn't gotten to tha Fact yet either
