QB Jameis Winston, NYG (2 Viewers)

[gump]

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

 

[cstu]

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

And you guys refuse to take off your rose colored glasses. Do you realize you are acting just like Johnny Football fans last year?

 

[jurb26]

Does it really matter if Winston is there or not? Sure, this is unusual but not a big deal IMO. Wasn't it just a few years ago that Joe Thomas went fishing during the draft? I know he wasn't the top pick but he was in the running for it.

 

[gump]

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

And you guys refuse to take off your rose colored glasses. Do you realize you are acting just like Johnny Football fans last year?

So passing on the draft is the same as getting drunk all over the country and doing lines on camera?

You're actually getting even less readable than you were a month ago.

 

[cstu]

Does it really matter if Winston is there or not? Sure, this is unusual but not a big deal IMO. Wasn't it just a few years ago that Joe Thomas went fishing during the draft? I know he wasn't the top pick but he was in the running for it.

Does it matter, maybe, maybe not, but it's just a very strange thing for a guy to do who is trying build a positive image. The story of staying home so he can be with his friends and family is utterly ridiculous. Every other QB has went to the draft, why does he really not want to be there?

 

[cstu]

So passing on the draft is the same as getting drunk all over the country and doing lines on camera?

You're actually getting even less readable than you were a month ago.

When I was saying things about Manziel it was long before the photo of him doing coke. Manziel was getting drunk and partying with celebrities, Winston isn't but there are more than enough other things to be concerned about with him. The difference between them is Winston has NFL talent so it's unlikely he bombs the way Manziel did.

 

[Capella]

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

And you guys refuse to take off your rose colored glasses. Do you realize you are acting just like Johnny Football fans last year?

So passing on the draft is the same as getting drunk all over the country and doing lines on camera? You're actually getting even less readable than you were a month ago.

Horrible

 

[bucsbaby]

Assuming the Bucs draft him, I'm hoping he'll make me eat crow in a year or three when he is a bonafide face of the franchise stud

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein ranks FSU QB Jameis Winston as the No. 1 QB in the class.
"Winston is a big, highly competitive pocket passer who played in a pro-style offense and showed an ability to anticipate throwing windows, scan the entire field and make the NFL throws," Zierlein wrote. "His wind-up delivery and marginal mobility outside the pocket are reminiscent of Byron Leftwich, but his arm talent and issues with decision making are more in line with Eli Manning's." The analyst believes Winston's on-field evaluation is far easier than other "system" quarterbacks, but adds that his character profile will be more difficult to compile. "Winston's supreme confidence might be considered arrogance by some, but even that trait will be alluring to teams who need to find a franchise quarterback," Zierlein wrote.

Source: NFL.com
Mar 16 - 7:40 PM

 

[massraider]

Does it really matter if Winston is there or not? Sure, this is unusual but not a big deal IMO. Wasn't it just a few years ago that Joe Thomas went fishing during the draft? I know he wasn't the top pick but he was in the running for it.

Does it matter, maybe, maybe not, but it's just a very strange thing for a guy to do who is trying build a positive image. The story of staying home so he can be with his friends and family is utterly ridiculous. Every other QB has went to the draft, why does he really not want to be there?

Joe Thomas went fishing with his dad on Draft Day, and the media was ready to elect him to public office. Winston skipping the draft cannot hurt him, and will probably help. Shun the spotlight for a while Jameis, let people look forward to seeing you in August, not be sick of seeing you by then.

I don't believe having a social life, or going to nightclubs, or doing commercials means a guy isn't working hard or isn't committed, but Winston won't get the benefit of the doubt early in his career. .Lay low for the summer, get to camp, show some skills, and let them move on to the next polarizing guy.

 

[Freelove]

Does it really matter if Winston is there or not? Sure, this is unusual but not a big deal IMO. Wasn't it just a few years ago that Joe Thomas went fishing during the draft? I know he wasn't the top pick but he was in the running for it.

Does it matter, maybe, maybe not, but it's just a very strange thing for a guy to do who is trying build a positive image. The story of staying home so he can be with his friends and family is utterly ridiculous. Every other QB has went to the draft, why does he really not want to be there?

Joe Thomas went fishing with his dad on Draft Day, and the media was ready to elect him to public office.

Joe Thomas wasn't dealing with the very real perception that his whole amateur history was spent in ways that would be embarrassing to a pro franchise, and that suggested he wasn't capable of taking the role of leader -- or any leadership position -- very seriously.

I'm not suggesting this will cost him the #1 pick. It probably won't, because Tampa is a poorly run franchise with a history of poor decision making. It's a natural fit, really.

But no serious team would have him on its round one draft board.

 

[Capella]

 

[Limp Ditka]

 

[jurb26]

 

[gump]

It must be fishing at this point...

 

[Grahamburn]

This is serious business, guys.

 

[cstu]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-03-16/2015-nfl-draft-jameis-winston-not-attending-chicago-home-alabama-florida-state-seminoles-buccaneers

If you thought every pre-draft move by Johnny Manziel and his camp was calculated, they have nothing on Team Jameis Winston.

Although it's not for certain, Winston, according to reports from MMQB and ESPN.com, won't be attending the 2015 NFL Draft in Chicago on April 30. Which means that, as it stands, Winston won't be standing next to commissioner Roger Goodell right after he's likely to be announced as the No. 1 overall pick by the Buccaneers.

The public reasoning for the decision is that Winston prefers to be with his family in Alabama, which is admirable. But the underlying story line is that it's also a chance for Winston to avoid any (further) backlash as he's being introduced as a pro quarterback for the first time.

That shouldn't be acceptable to the league, and it isn't a good idea for Winston, either.

The NFL is trying to sell its biggest non-Super Bowl event in a market outside its biggest one, and not having its most visible rookie-to-be there to participate in the planned events isn't a good start. While some will perceive Winston as just wanting to stay home, the reality is avoiding his first big NFL spotlight won't reflect well on his image.

Why? We get Goodell and Co. are handling Winston with kid gloves after a year of off-field tumult, from the fallout of its discipline of players in domestic violence cases to seeing Manziel — last year's Heisman-winning draft lightning rod — go into rehab. There's a difference, however, from helping Winston move on from his missteps then being in position to hide them one last time before going forward.

It doesn't make sense, as Winston has never been one to shy away from the podium and provide his own PR spin — just see the NFL Combine. Look on Twitter and Instagram of late, and everything is about Winston trying to become less polarizing and more likeable, even though for many, he never can be the latter since he was accused of sexual assault. Heading up to the draft, repairing his reputation has been just as important as his fixing his mechanics.

Is there the potential for big boos when Winston walks across the stage? Of course there is. Is there a chance Winston will free-fall in the draft and have some tense, uncomfortable moments in the green room? There's not much of one, but anything's possible. Tough.

Some might say Winston has a responsibility to be there after all that's happened. If the Buccaneers feel comfortable enough to make Winston the face of their franchise, then Winston should feel obligated to represent the franchise in person in one of its biggest moments.

We can understand if circumstances prohibit Winston's most important loved ones from traveling to Chicago to join him. If there are no such circumstances, then the NFL should make every concession to Winston to help them all be there, just as it has done with families of every prominent prospect in the past.

It's that important for Winston to be there, for everyone. After what the league and Winston have been through since the last draft, his selection wouldn't be the same unless it ends with him firmly shaking Goodell's hand.

Consider that moment Winston's swearing-in ceremony as an upstanding NFL citizen, and the NFL's acceptance of that pledge. It wouldn't be the same — and harder to believe — if he does it via satellite.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Does it really matter if Winston is there or not? Sure, this is unusual but not a big deal IMO. Wasn't it just a few years ago that Joe Thomas went fishing during the draft? I know he wasn't the top pick but he was in the running for it.

Does it matter, maybe, maybe not, but it's just a very strange thing for a guy to do who is trying build a positive image. The story of staying home so he can be with his friends and family is utterly ridiculous. Every other QB has went to the draft, why does he really not want to be there?

Maybe he thinks sharing the moment with family and friends while shying away from a "look at me moment" helps build a positive image or maybe he truly wants to share the moment with family and friends instead of having his moment of glory up on stage with just himself (and a handful of family members)?

This is hardly newsworthy, outside of it being unusual.

 

[FUBAR]

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

Man you dorks are really overthinking this.

CSTU took a half step forward, so naturally had to follow with a full step back.

And you guys refuse to take off your rose colored glasses. Do you realize you are acting just like Johnny Football fans last year?

one has NFL talent, the other was a schmuck who played backyard ball well.

Does it really matter if Winston is there or not? Sure, this is unusual but not a big deal IMO. Wasn't it just a few years ago that Joe Thomas went fishing during the draft? I know he wasn't the top pick but he was in the running for it.

Does it matter, maybe, maybe not, but it's just a very strange thing for a guy to do who is trying build a positive image. The story of staying home so he can be with his friends and family is utterly ridiculous. Every other QB has went to the draft, why does he really not want to be there?

right, leaders need to do what everyone else has done.

Joe Thomas wasn't dealing with the very real perception that his whole amateur history was spent in ways that would be embarrassing to a pro franchise, and that suggested he wasn't capable of taking the role of leader -- or any leadership position -- very seriously.

I'm not suggesting this will cost him the #1 pick. It probably won't, because Tampa is a poorly run franchise with a history of poor decision making. It's a natural fit, really.

But no serious team would have him on its round one draft board.

yeah, no.

I'm not sure about Winston but his choosing to not attend the NFL's second biggest party is not a black mark.

 

[cstu]

My prediction - Winston fully intends to attend the draft but created this as a ruse to prevent people from planning a protest. At the last minute it will be announced that he has changed his mind.

 

[Gawain]

If the draft was still in NYC, I'd get that he's worried about the Dominique Strauss-Kahn treatment.

 

[Quez]

My prediction - Winston fully intends to attend the draft but created this as a ruse to prevent people from planning a protest. At the last minute it will be announced that he has changed his mind.

Do they get paid to go? They pay stars to go to some of the award shows, so it can't be long before guys are demanding to get paid to show up at the draft.

 

[massraider]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-03-16/2015-nfl-draft-jameis-winston-not-attending-chicago-home-alabama-florida-state-seminoles-buccaneers

If you thought every pre-draft move by Johnny Manziel and his camp was calculated, they have nothing on Team Jameis Winston.

Although it's not for certain, Winston, according to reports from MMQB and ESPN.com, won't be attending the 2015 NFL Draft in Chicago on April 30. Which means that, as it stands, Winston won't be standing next to commissioner Roger Goodell right after he's likely to be announced as the No. 1 overall pick by the Buccaneers.

The public reasoning for the decision is that Winston prefers to be with his family in Alabama, which is admirable. But the underlying story line is that it's also a chance for Winston to avoid any (further) backlash as he's being introduced as a pro quarterback for the first time.

That shouldn't be acceptable to the league, and it isn't a good idea for Winston, either.

The NFL is trying to sell its biggest non-Super Bowl event in a market outside its biggest one, and not having its most visible rookie-to-be there to participate in the planned events isn't a good start. While some will perceive Winston as just wanting to stay home, the reality is avoiding his first big NFL spotlight won't reflect well on his image.

Why? We get Goodell and Co. are handling Winston with kid gloves after a year of off-field tumult, from the fallout of its discipline of players in domestic violence cases to seeing Manziel — last year's Heisman-winning draft lightning rod — go into rehab. There's a difference, however, from helping Winston move on from his missteps then being in position to hide them one last time before going forward.

It doesn't make sense, as Winston has never been one to shy away from the podium and provide his own PR spin — just see the NFL Combine. Look on Twitter and Instagram of late, and everything is about Winston trying to become less polarizing and more likeable, even though for many, he never can be the latter since he was accused of sexual assault. Heading up to the draft, repairing his reputation has been just as important as his fixing his mechanics.

Is there the potential for big boos when Winston walks across the stage? Of course there is. Is there a chance Winston will free-fall in the draft and have some tense, uncomfortable moments in the green room? There's not much of one, but anything's possible. Tough.

Some might say Winston has a responsibility to be there after all that's happened. If the Buccaneers feel comfortable enough to make Winston the face of their franchise, then Winston should feel obligated to represent the franchise in person in one of its biggest moments.

We can understand if circumstances prohibit Winston's most important loved ones from traveling to Chicago to join him. If there are no such circumstances, then the NFL should make every concession to Winston to help them all be there, just as it has done with families of every prominent prospect in the past.

It's that important for Winston to be there, for everyone. After what the league and Winston have been through since the last draft, his selection wouldn't be the same unless it ends with him firmly shaking Goodell's hand.

Consider that moment Winston's swearing-in ceremony as an upstanding NFL citizen, and the NFL's acceptance of that pledge. It wouldn't be the same — and harder to believe — if he does it via satellite.

This is where you can stop reading this piece of #### article. Isn't 'acceptable' to the league? Someone wanna explain this to me?

 

[Old Smiley]

Winston should say he's doing it out of solidarity with Mariota. He doesn't want to be part of a show that sticks a camera in Marcus' face as he falls into the twenties.

Also, anyone who doesn't want to hug Goodell is okay in my book.

 

[SacramentoBob]

It must be fishing at this point...

By Joe Thomas.

 

[Capella]

Hot Take Tuesday

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston is 'an easy No. 1 pick,' Brian Kelly says

 

[Faust]

Daniel Jeremiah: Jameis Winston arm strength rates high

 

[Phenomena]

Just poking my head in here to say I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the title updates, even though I haven't contributed to this thread and don't care about where he is drafted.

 

[Faust]

Analysts: NFL perceptions of FSU QB Jameis Winston changing

 

[gump]

Just poking my head in here to say I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the title updates, even though I haven't contributed to this thread and don't care about where he is drafted.

Except for the latest one referencing a Miami restaurant.

 

[massraider]

Just poking my head in here to say I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the title updates, even though I haven't contributed to this thread and don't care about where he is drafted.

Except for the latest one referencing a Miami restaurant.

Had to decide between geographically appropriate (Bern's), and Lowest Common Denominator (kinda) funny.

Always aim low.

 

[jurb26]

Rotoworld:

Jameis Winston - QB - Seminoles

ESPN's Kevin Weidl believes FSU redshirt sophomore QB Jameis Winston has the "ability to elevate his play and everyone else around him.""Jameis at his best under adversity. That's a redeeming quality that translates. Ability to elevate his play and everyone else around him," Weidl tweeted. Off the field, the FSU prospect may have many doubters, but on the field he wins from the pocket and possesses a very strong, accurate arm. ESPN's Todd McShay notes that Winston displays "very good on-field leadership and game-management skills. If you limit things to his on-field performance, he should be Tampa Bay's pick at No. 1 overall."

Source: Kevin Weidl on Twitter

Jan 2 - 2:58 PM

Wait, I thought all his INTs were the result of his teammates sucking; guess they'd be really awful if he wasn't elevating their play.

If that's what you think then you're not paying attention. A majority of his Ints have come from over confidence in his arm and miss reading underneath coverage by LBs.

Just listened to DJ's podcasts on Winston and he agreed, biggest issue with Winston was misreading underneath coverage. It led to 6 picks last year. 5 others were ricochet picks, for those who seem to continually hold this against him. Ricochet meaning deflected or out of the control of the QB and not his fault. Again, Winston biggest issue is not seeing underneath coverage, primarily LB or roaming S.

 

[CalBear]

Rotoworld:

Jameis Winston - QB - Seminoles

ESPN's Kevin Weidl believes FSU redshirt sophomore QB Jameis Winston has the "ability to elevate his play and everyone else around him.""Jameis at his best under adversity. That's a redeeming quality that translates. Ability to elevate his play and everyone else around him," Weidl tweeted. Off the field, the FSU prospect may have many doubters, but on the field he wins from the pocket and possesses a very strong, accurate arm. ESPN's Todd McShay notes that Winston displays "very good on-field leadership and game-management skills. If you limit things to his on-field performance, he should be Tampa Bay's pick at No. 1 overall."

Source: Kevin Weidl on Twitter

Jan 2 - 2:58 PM

Wait, I thought all his INTs were the result of his teammates sucking; guess they'd be really awful if he wasn't elevating their play.

If that's what you think then you're not paying attention. A majority of his Ints have come from over confidence in his arm and miss reading underneath coverage by LBs.

Just listened to DJ's podcasts on Winston and he agreed, biggest issue with Winston was misreading underneath coverage. It led to 6 picks last year. 5 others were ricochet picks, for those who seem to continually hold this against him. Ricochet meaning deflected or out of the control of the QB and not his fault.

OK, let's accept for a moment that "misreading underneath coverage" is a common thing for future star NFL QBs to do in college.

What about the other seven picks?

 

[jurb26]

Rotoworld:

Jameis Winston - QB - Seminoles

ESPN's Kevin Weidl believes FSU redshirt sophomore QB Jameis Winston has the "ability to elevate his play and everyone else around him.""Jameis at his best under adversity. That's a redeeming quality that translates. Ability to elevate his play and everyone else around him," Weidl tweeted. Off the field, the FSU prospect may have many doubters, but on the field he wins from the pocket and possesses a very strong, accurate arm. ESPN's Todd McShay notes that Winston displays "very good on-field leadership and game-management skills. If you limit things to his on-field performance, he should be Tampa Bay's pick at No. 1 overall."

Source: Kevin Weidl on Twitter

Jan 2 - 2:58 PM

Wait, I thought all his INTs were the result of his teammates sucking; guess they'd be really awful if he wasn't elevating their play.

If that's what you think then you're not paying attention. A majority of his Ints have come from over confidence in his arm and miss reading underneath coverage by LBs.

Just listened to DJ's podcasts on Winston and he agreed, biggest issue with Winston was misreading underneath coverage. It led to 6 picks last year. 5 others were ricochet picks, for those who seem to continually hold this against him. Ricochet meaning deflected or out of the control of the QB and not his fault.

OK, let's accept for a moment that "misreading underneath coverage" is a common thing for future star NFL QBs to do in college.

What about the other seven picks?

5 were the other issue I've statd about him, per DJ, forced balls. Trying to throw into windows that just aren't there, overconfidence in his arm. 1 miscommunication. Not sure who's fault, QB or WR. More than likely WR because most of them were young/new players.

1 overthrown seam pass, the only pick due to inaccuracy. With that said he had 4 Ints on the deep seam in 2013 and it's maybe his most improved pass from then to now.

Also, DJ said Winston is clearly the best QB in this draft on the field. If he were TB he'd take him 1 overall. He ranks him as the 5th overall player. Sees himself a Roethlisburger type player with slightly higher grade than Bridgewater, who he also has as the top QB in his class.

 

[Borden]

Love DJs podcast. Just got into the Winston one. Seems like the character issues aren't as bad as they appeared.

 

[DocHolliday]

Winston skipping the draft should be a non-story. He should do what he wants. It is not hurting anything if he does not go. Good for him if he does truly want to spend a huge day in his life with family.

And, I say all this as a non-believer in Winston. I think he has acted like an idiot in the past. Maybe he is finally growing up.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Don't believe the soft soap sell that the biggest off-field issue was over-blown or will ever die. That is the reason he's not attending the draft.

For people who really want the best in-depth break down of Winston's game.

Listen to Daniel Jeremiah's latest 'Path to the Draft' podcast that is entirely devoted to QB Jamies Winston.

Its been mentioned so here's another link:

http://www.nfl.com/podcasts?id=1e155410cbdea0b8e0861f34ce7b0723?campaign=twitter_Podcast_MoveTheSticks

Jameis Winston 360Published: Mar 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM
Daniel Jeremiah conducts a scouting report of Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston by diving into Winston's college tape, combine performance and off-the-field matters. With interviews from coaches, former teammates and more, D.J. looks to answer the question -- is Jameis Winston the next Ben Roethlisberger, the next JaMarcus Russell or somewhere in between?

The biggest knock on his game is the turnovers and DJ said he thinks he has poor vision underneath. DJ says that their are a lot of moving bodies underneath and that he thinks Jameis doesn't have the best vision down underneath and that is why it looks like he makes poor decisions but he thinks that Winston doesn't see defenders in that area of the field.

Good breakdown of his game on the field but don't overlook his biggest off-field issue because that will never go away and its the reason he won't be attending the draft.

 

[Quez]

Just poking my head in here to say I've thoroughly enjoyed all of the title updates, even though I haven't contributed to this thread and don't care about where he is drafted.

Except for the latest one referencing a Miami restaurant.

Had to decide between geographically appropriate (Bern's), and Lowest Common Denominator (kinda) funny.

Always aim low.

There is a Crabby Bills...

 

[Old Smiley]

One thing Doug Farrar said was that at some point as he was watching Winston, Jay Cutler popped into his head. In the sense that Doug saw him make throws he shouldn't because dammit I'm Jameis Winston dammit. Believing he has more arm than he has. Wondered if it's possible to fix that sort of issue.

One question that's popped into my head is: what if the accuracy issues people are attributing to mechanical flaws are in fact inherent flaws that will remain regardless of corrected mechanics? Just one more thing on my "What Can Be Fixed" list..

 

[massraider]

One thing Doug Farrar said was that at some point as he was watching Winston, Jay Cutler popped into his head. In the sense that Doug saw him make throws he shouldn't because dammit I'm Jameis Winston dammit. Believing he has more arm than he has. Wondered if it's possible to fix that sort of issue.

Decision-making? Sure, it's fixable.

Not a guarantee, which makes it the same as every other thing that's fixable. Maturity, reading defenses.......

Something being fixable doesn't mean it's not a problem, because who knows if it gets fixed? By the same token, a 'PROBLEM' doesn't mean a guy isn't worth being drafted somewhere. They all have problems. There are certain problems that I don't believe are fixable, and are fatal. Winston doesn't have those.

This is more just a general statement, not necessarily a comment directed at you.

 

[Old Smiley]

One thing Doug Farrar said was that at some point as he was watching Winston, Jay Cutler popped into his head. In the sense that Doug saw him make throws he shouldn't because dammit I'm Jameis Winston dammit. Believing he has more arm than he has. Wondered if it's possible to fix that sort of issue.

Decision-making? Sure, it's fixable.

Not a guarantee, which makes it the same as every other thing that's fixable. Maturity, reading defenses.......

Something being fixable doesn't mean it's not a problem, because who knows if it gets fixed? By the same token, a 'PROBLEM' doesn't mean a guy isn't worth being drafted somewhere. They all have problems. There are certain problems that I don't believe are fixable, and are fatal. Winston doesn't have those.

This is more just a general statement, not necessarily a comment directed at you.

Yeah, no sweat. Like I say, I'm trying to long term figure out what you can fix. For instance I see a lot of weird mechanics with JW. One, can you fix them (everybody says so) and Two, if you do fix the mechanics, have you fixed the issue. Like now he's got nice looking mechanics, but he still misses a lot. These people are already outliers in everything they do, so can you expect them to be outliers in all other things a QB does. I'm new to this so really just wondering out loud.

 

[jurb26]

Don't believe the soft soap sell that the biggest off-field issue was over-blown or will ever die. That is the reason he's not attending the draft.

For people who really want the best in-depth break down of Winston's game.

Listen to Daniel Jeremiah's latest 'Path to the Draft' podcast that is entirely devoted to QB Jamies Winston.

Its been mentioned so here's another link:

http://www.nfl.com/podcasts?id=1e155410cbdea0b8e0861f34ce7b0723?campaign=twitter_Podcast_MoveTheSticks

Jameis Winston 360

Published: Mar 18, 2015 at 12:40 PM

Daniel Jeremiah conducts a scouting report of Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston by diving into Winston's college tape, combine performance and off-the-field matters. With interviews from coaches, former teammates and more, D.J. looks to answer the question -- is Jameis Winston the next Ben Roethlisberger, the next JaMarcus Russell or somewhere in between?

The biggest knock on his game is the turnovers and DJ said he thinks he has poor vision underneath. DJ says that their are a lot of moving bodies underneath and that he thinks Jameis doesn't have the best vision down underneath and that is why it looks like he makes poor decisions but he thinks that Winston doesn't see defenders in that area of the field.

Good breakdown of his game on the field but don't overlook his biggest off-field issue because that will never go away and its the reason he won't be attending the draft.

I really loved his podcast and this new format of diving into players was by far the best yet IMO. The people he has access to and puts on the show is worth the ice alone. DJ of course has a great perspective and is worthy of respect, himself. The fact that he had a long discusion with Coach Shaw, Stanford, was priceless. In case you don't know, Shaw heavily recruited Winston and knows a ton about him, his character and overall game.

You seem to be making much more of the off field issues than DJ or anyone on the show was, why?

 

[McGarnicle]

Skipping the draft...Maybe it means something, maybe it doesn't, but it just strikes me as another reason to question his maturity and judgment. If there weren't so many character concerns already, it wouldn't matter. It's an opportunity to show his face and participate in his first event ever as a member of the NFL, and a very significant and symbolic one at that. Showing up there, conducting himself with grace, holding up the jersey and smiling is not a lot to ask. I'm sure the team that drafts him wants that photo op.

I'm not one of these people saying he shouldn't be on anyone's board in the first round either. I think the Bucs pretty much have to take him. Just seems like an odd choice to start his career by not participating in that moment, when there are already so many questions.

 

[cstu]

One thing Doug Farrar said was that at some point as he was watching Winston, Jay Cutler popped into his head. In the sense that Doug saw him make throws he shouldn't because dammit I'm Jameis Winston dammit. Believing he has more arm than he has. Wondered if it's possible to fix that sort of issue.

Decision-making? Sure, it's fixable.

Not a guarantee, which makes it the same as every other thing that's fixable. Maturity, reading defenses.......

Something being fixable doesn't mean it's not a problem, because who knows if it gets fixed? By the same token, a 'PROBLEM' doesn't mean a guy isn't worth being drafted somewhere. They all have problems. There are certain problems that I don't believe are fixable, and are fatal. Winston doesn't have those.

This is more just a general statement, not necessarily a comment directed at you.

Yeah, no sweat. Like I say, I'm trying to long term figure out what you can fix. For instance I see a lot of weird mechanics with JW. One, can you fix them (everybody says so) and Two, if you do fix the mechanics, have you fixed the issue. Like now he's got nice looking mechanics, but he still misses a lot. These people are already outliers in everything they do, so can you expect them to be outliers in all other things a QB does. I'm new to this so really just wondering out loud.

If people knew the answer teams would be clamoring to trade for him like he was Andrew Luck. As it is the Bucs are going to tell themselves 'He's played in pro style offense and can throw it like a NFL QB' and hope for the best.

 

[Faust]

Titans to hold workout, host visit from Jameis Winston

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports Bucs brass is "increasingly sold" on Florida State QB Jameis Winston as the No. 1 overall pick.

"This isn't a Tampa smokescreen," La Canfora adds. Signs continue to point to Winston being the first player off the board next month with the rest of the first round remaining unclear. We've seen Oregon QB Marcus Mariota going as high as No. 2 overall to possibly even dropping out of the top 10. Winston interviewed extremely well at the Combine, has the size (6'4/231), and played in a pro-style offense at FSU. It would be a huge upset if the Bucs went a different direction.

Related: Buccaneers

Source: CBS Sports
Mar 20 - 11:05 AM

 

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