QB Jameis Winston, NYG (3 Viewers)

[pantherclub]

my favorite so far

He doesn't care what you, the media, or anyone thinks. He does what he wants to do. He's been successful despite that approach in the past, so why change?

do whatever you need to do to fit your narrative.

I am just posting your quotes on how you were defending Johnny up until the bitter bitter end. Your "eye for talent" regarding quarterbacks particularly Winston is why we are talking about it.

If you're going to pick that battle then you need to account for Bridgewater too. Otherwise your argument is irrelevant.It'd be best for this thread that has nothing to do with either one of them if you just drop it though.

ie. quit picking on me

Oh and I am not seeing any bridgewater quotes other than one where you said you were glad they picked johnny over him.

then there is this absolute gem before the combine last year. Read this and you may want to exit stage left

Yep, the ball will start rolling after the Combine and will really start tumbling after free agency fades. I'll be more stunned if he's not picked top 5 than I will be if he is picked 1st.

 

[MAC_32]

I try to only talk about players that thread is referring to in those specific threads.

So, the exact opposite of what you're doing right now.

 

[Capella]

 

[gump]

@nfldraftscout: If you're being objective, easy to see Jameis is the best passer in this class.

Soooooo...this doesn't apply to a few people here.

I've never said he wasn't the best pure passer...just like Ryan Leaf was the best pure passer in the '98 draft.

Do you keep linking Winston to Leaf because of this perceived inability to deal with adversity also?

 

[cstu]

@nfldraftscout: If you're being objective, easy to see Jameis is the best passer in this class.

Soooooo...this doesn't apply to a few people here.

I can't wait til he 'WOW's' at his pro day.Because those mean anything.

Arent you the guy that thought Johnny Football was going to be all Pro? I could go back through that thread and see but I am pretty sure it was you.

No, my table pounding was reserved for Bridgewater.

No I am scrolling through that thread and you have some doozys in there. I would lay low for a bit. You can see for yourself

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=&sid=d4c00dc93e30a0ab8728796a5f94991d&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5BsortKey%5D=date&cType=topic&cId=685245&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5BsortKey%5D=date&search_term=MAC_32&search_app=forums&st=50

He wanted Bridgewater but gave Manziel a chance once he was a Brown.

 

[cstu]

@nfldraftscout: If you're being objective, easy to see Jameis is the best passer in this class.

Soooooo...this doesn't apply to a few people here.

I've never said he wasn't the best pure passer...just like Ryan Leaf was the best pure passer in the '98 draft.

Do you keep linking Winston to Leaf because of this perceived inability to deal with adversity also?

Look, I won't mention Winston again until after the draft. Nothing will change your mind so I'll let it play out.

 

[gump]

@nfldraftscout: If you're being objective, easy to see Jameis is the best passer in this class.

Soooooo...this doesn't apply to a few people here.

I've never said he wasn't the best pure passer...just like Ryan Leaf was the best pure passer in the '98 draft.

Do you keep linking Winston to Leaf because of this perceived inability to deal with adversity also?

Look, I won't mention Winston again until after the draft. Nothing will change your mind so I'll let it play out.

Just wanted to flesh out your questions with his ability to deal with adversity...which would be Leaf-like if he couldn't.

He won the BCS Champ as a freshman with a last minute game winning drive...and had multiple come from behind victories last year.

I'm not familiar with Leaf's college results facing adversity.

 

[bostonfred]

I didn't hear the whole interview but someone on Sirius xm just said that he pushed a handicapped kid.

 

[MAC_32]

I didn't hear the whole interview but someone on Sirius xm just said that he pushed a handicapped kid.

ken somers used a couple of different words, ones that tell a really different story.

 

[Old Smiley]

I took that as he pushed a kid in a wheelchair, like saved an orphan or something. Been looking for my insulin.

But if he shoved a kid... Now THAT'S FUNNY!!

 

[gump]

@kentsomers

Elderly man rolling a wheelchair at indy airport. Young man, a stranger, offers help and starts pushing him. Nice move by Jameis Winston

‏@kentsomers

Winston didn't do it to show off. No one was watching except me.

 

[Old Smiley]

God, I hate sports media.

 

[SacramentoBob]

People love to hate this guy. It's amazing. If he's actually super successful we might have our first player-hate related suicide.

Why are you so high on him exactly? Not challenging or doubting just curious.

Throws with best anticipation I've seen out of a college QB other than Luck. Not scared of the moment. Tremendous, tremendous leader. Plenty of arm and has demonstrated every throw an NFL QB has to make, particularly in tight pockets.

Made some bad throws this year but he was playing with 3 true freshman out of the 4 main skill spots. For some reason people continue to disregard this. If he was a dork off the field, or not a black guy from Alabama with a thick southern accent people would be tripping over themselves about him.

This is what it's really about.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I was wrong about Cam Newton. I was right about J.Russel and RGIII and Vince Young.

I'm putting Jameis Winston with the latter 3 - I don't have any faith he'll ever put it together. The world is full of exceptional talent physically that just don't have what it takes to excel mentally.

I'll take my chances on Mariota although I'm not just super super excited about him either.

Do you only keep track of your calls on black QBs?

 

[Old Smiley]

not a black guy from Alabama with a thick southern accent people would be tripping over themselves about him.

This is what it's really about.

So, do you think with a white guy they'd have found a way to keep these off-field incidents out of the news? That these off-field incidents would have been laughed off as youthful hijinks and not concerning?

I don't know, myself. I haven't really thought about it.

I do think it's really possible that a young man can grow up. I also think you might question the culture at SFU in some of this.

 

[cstu]

Just wanted to flesh out your questions with his ability to deal with adversity...which would be Leaf-like if he couldn't.

He won the BCS Champ as a freshman with a last minute game winning drive...and had multiple come from behind victories last year.

I'm not familiar with Leaf's college results facing adversity.

I know it's unfair to compare him to Leaf, who had probably the worst psyche for a NFL QB in history, but I see similar signs in Winston. Jeff George is another guy who didn't have the mentality for a NFL QB - some guys have it, some don't.

It's not about performing in the last minute of game - both Leaf and George had their moments in college as well - but how he will handle the stress from coaches/media and perform as a leader for his teammates to earn their trust.

I was really looking forward to seeing his reaction after the Rose Bowl (only the second loss in both HS and college) and for him to come out acting like a petulant child was a horrible sign for his future in the NFL.

 

[MAC_32]

Just wanted to flesh out your questions with his ability to deal with adversity...which would be Leaf-like if he couldn't.

He won the BCS Champ as a freshman with a last minute game winning drive...and had multiple come from behind victories last year.

I'm not familiar with Leaf's college results facing adversity.

I know it's unfair to compare him to Leaf, who had probably the worst psyche for a NFL QB in history, but I see similar signs in Winston. Jeff George is another guy who didn't have the mentality for a NFL QB - some guys have it, some don't.

It's not about performing in the last minute of game - both Leaf and George had their moments in college as well - but how he will handle the stress from coaches/media and perform as a leader for his teammates to earn their trust.

I was really looking forward to seeing his reaction after the Rose Bowl (only the second loss in both HS and college) and for him to come out acting like a petulant child was a horrible sign for his future in the NFL.

His coach needing to threaten to bench him to get his attention isn't a good look either.

 

[jurb26]

Wait, wasn't Winston like one of the few players who stayed around to actually shake hands with Oregon players after the game? Wasn't he also trying to keep other players from leaving the field?

 

[BassNBrew]

People love to hate this guy. It's amazing. If he's actually super successful we might have our first player-hate related suicide.

Why are you so high on him exactly? Not challenging or doubting just curious.

Throws with best anticipation I've seen out of a college QB other than Luck. Not scared of the moment. Tremendous, tremendous leader. Plenty of arm and has demonstrated every throw an NFL QB has to make, particularly in tight pockets.

Made some bad throws this year but he was playing with 3 true freshman out of the 4 main skill spots. For some reason people continue to disregard this. If he was a dork off the field, or not a black guy from Alabama with a thick southern accent people would be tripping over themselves about him.

This is what it's really about.

I'm starting to get confused. If all the racists are in the south and spending their time rooting for black QBs while tea bagging each other, who the the guys not liking Winston because of his thick southern accent?

 

[Capella]

Wait, wasn't Winston like one of the few players who stayed around to actually shake hands with Oregon players after the game? Wasn't he also trying to keep other players from leaving the field?

Yes. He also had good things to say about Oregon after the game and shook hands with the Oregon coach. Also went to each FSU player in the locker room trying to build them back up as a bunch of players were pretty devastated.

Literally everything Cstu posts is wrong. It's astonishing.

 

[gump]

Just wanted to flesh out your questions with his ability to deal with adversity...which would be Leaf-like if he couldn't.

He won the BCS Champ as a freshman with a last minute game winning drive...and had multiple come from behind victories last year.

I'm not familiar with Leaf's college results facing adversity.

I know it's unfair to compare him to Leaf, who had probably the worst psyche for a NFL QB in history, but I see similar signs in Winston. Jeff George is another guy who didn't have the mentality for a NFL QB - some guys have it, some don't.

It's not about performing in the last minute of game - both Leaf and George had their moments in college as well - but how he will handle the stress from coaches/media and perform as a leader for his teammates to earn their trust.

I was really looking forward to seeing his reaction after the Rose Bowl (only the second loss in both HS and college) and for him to come out acting like a petulant child was a horrible sign for his future in the NFL.

I'm pretty confident that George and Leaf never came close to being the locker room leader that Winston was, even in his freshman year. Maybe he didn't take the loss well.

But we're assuming that proven leadership characteristic will drive him to be more mature...you're assuming his immaturity will define him. We'll see.

 

[jurb26]

Wait, wasn't Winston like one of the few players who stayed around to actually shake hands with Oregon players after the game? Wasn't he also trying to keep other players from leaving the field?

Yes. He also had good things to say about Oregon after the game and shook hands with the Oregon coach. Also went to each FSU player in the locker room trying to build them back up as a bunch of players were pretty devastated.

Literally everything Cstu posts is wrong. It's astonishing.

OK, I must have had a temporary lapse in cognition. Should have known better.

 

[mr roboto]

Wait, wasn't Winston like one of the few players who stayed around to actually shake hands with Oregon players after the game? Wasn't he also trying to keep other players from leaving the field?

Yes. He also had good things to say about Oregon after the game and shook hands with the Oregon coach. Also went to each FSU player in the locker room trying to build them back up as a bunch of players were pretty devastated. Literally everything Cstu posts is wrong. It's astonishing.

Yeah his team leadership has always been a strong point. In your opinion how do you view his 'immaturity'? Youthful stupidity and college antics or an actual red flag?

 

[Capella]

Wait, wasn't Winston like one of the few players who stayed around to actually shake hands with Oregon players after the game? Wasn't he also trying to keep other players from leaving the field?

Yes. He also had good things to say about Oregon after the game and shook hands with the Oregon coach. Also went to each FSU player in the locker room trying to build them back up as a bunch of players were pretty devastated. Literally everything Cstu posts is wrong. It's astonishing.

Yeah his team leadership has always been a strong point. In your opinion how do you view his 'immaturity'? Youthful stupidity and college antics or an actual red flag?

Red flag for sure on the f her in the ##### thing. That was extraordinarily dumb after a rape allegation. But not enough of a red flag to not take him. I don't care at all about the stolen soda ( x1000), crab legs or the BB gun stuff. That's all dumb college kid.

 

[got_nugs]

Maybe use coca-cola or pepsi in your assessment, there are a few people in this thread who'd take a stolen coke post and run with it without actually doing any further research.

 

[Capella]

Maybe use coca-cola or pepsi in your assessment, there are a few people in this thread who'd take a stolen coke post and run with it without actually doing any further research.

Fair point. Edited.

 

[Capella]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine-total-access/0ap3000000473191/Winston-and-Mooch-simulate-a-draft-interview

 

[Capella]

Him on that whiteboard on the preceding link

 

[got_nugs]

Maybe use coca-cola or pepsi in your assessment, there are a few people in this thread who'd take a stolen coke post and run with it without actually doing any further research.

Fair point. Edited.

I was just making fun of these guys. There's some really poor posting in these pages.

 

[Faust]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine-total-access/0ap3000000473191/Winston-and-Mooch-simulate-a-draft-interview

Steve Mariucci: Jameis Winston 'most astute X's and O's guy

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000472988/article/steve-mariucci-jameis-winston-most-astute-xs-and-os-guy

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston draws praise from Kurt Warner:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473001/article/jameis-winston-draws-praise-from-kurt-warner

 

[Faust]

Jameis Winston: 'I was just being real' in combine interviews:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473036/article/jameis-winston-i-was-just-being-real-in-combine-interviews

 

[cstu]

Wait, wasn't Winston like one of the few players who stayed around to actually shake hands with Oregon players after the game? Wasn't he also trying to keep other players from leaving the field?

Yes. He also had good things to say about Oregon after the game and shook hands with the Oregon coach. Also went to each FSU player in the locker room trying to build them back up as a bunch of players were pretty devastated.Literally everything Cstu posts is wrong. It's astonishing.

Yeah his team leadership has always been a strong point.In your opinion how do you view his 'immaturity'? Youthful stupidity and college antics or an actual red flag?

It's not team leadership when he goes to shake hands with Oregon players but allows the rest of his team to head to the locker room.

 

[Wadsworth]

Wait, wasn't Winston like one of the few players who stayed around to actually shake hands with Oregon players after the game? Wasn't he also trying to keep other players from leaving the field?

Yes. He also had good things to say about Oregon after the game and shook hands with the Oregon coach. Also went to each FSU player in the locker room trying to build them back up as a bunch of players were pretty devastated.Literally everything Cstu posts is wrong. It's astonishing.

Yeah his team leadership has always been a strong point.In your opinion how do you view his 'immaturity'? Youthful stupidity and college antics or an actual red flag?

It's not team leadership when he goes to shake hands with Oregon players but allows the rest of his team to head to the locker room.

Huh? What exactly is he suppose to do?

 

[got_nugs]

@nfldraftscout: If you're being objective, easy to see Jameis is the best passer in this class.

Soooooo...this doesn't apply to a few people here.

I've never said he wasn't the best pure passer...just like Ryan Leaf was the best pure passer in the '98 draft.

Do you keep linking Winston to Leaf because of this perceived inability to deal with adversity also?

Look, I won't mention Winston again until after the draft. Nothing will change your mind so I'll let it play out.

Starting:...tomorrow?

 

[cstu]

@nfldraftscout: If you're being objective, easy to see Jameis is the best passer in this class.

Soooooo...this doesn't apply to a few people here.

I've never said he wasn't the best pure passer...just like Ryan Leaf was the best pure passer in the '98 draft.

Do you keep linking Winston to Leaf because of this perceived inability to deal with adversity also?

Look, I won't mention Winston again until after the draft. Nothing will change your mind so I'll let it play out.

Starting:...tomorrow?

Yes, it's almost midnight PST.

 

[JetMaxx]

cstu is killing it in here

 

[BassNBrew]

Him on that whiteboard on the preceding link

Liked the VJax comment.

 

[Grahamburn]

He's going #1.

 

[jurb26]

He's going #1.

I've been convinced of this for about 5 months.

 

[Hang 10]

I was wrong about Cam Newton. I was right about J.Russel and RGIII and Vince Young.

I'm putting Jameis Winston with the latter 3 - I don't have any faith he'll ever put it together. The world is full of exceptional talent physically that just don't have what it takes to excel mentally.

I'll take my chances on Mariota although I'm not just super super excited about him either.

Do you only keep track of your calls on black QBs?

He was half right about Kaepernick.

 

[Grahamburn]

He's going #1.

I've been convinced of this for about 5 months.

It took me a while to come around. Yesterday sealed it.

 

[Faust]

Scout blasts Jameis Winston, sees him as likely to be NFL bust:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473233/article/scout-blasts-jameis-winston-sees-him-as-likely-to-be-nfl-bust

 

[BassNBrew]

He's going #1.

I've been convinced of this for about 5 months.

It took me a while to come around. Yesterday sealed it.

I think the Bucs will have a good one for years to come.

 

[BassNBrew]

Scout blasts Jameis Winston, sees him as likely to be NFL bust:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473233/article/scout-blasts-jameis-winston-sees-him-as-likely-to-be-nfl-bust

Crap like this should has nothing to do with journalism. Honestly this articles may as well be written by me sitting on my couch watching an NHL game.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Scout blasts Jameis Winston, sees him as likely to be NFL bust:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473233/article/scout-blasts-jameis-winston-sees-him-as-likely-to-be-nfl-bust

This guy works for the Titans.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Him on that whiteboard on the preceding link

JW: This is Jerry Rice.

SM: You're not going to have Jerry Rice.

JW: Well hopefully I have Vincent Jackson.

 

[Faust]

Did Winston's combine interview change perception about maturity?

 

[Faust]

Dallas Cowboys requested shoulder check on Jameis Winston

 

[CalBear]

Pretty impressively bad athletic results at the combine. Well slower than Jamarcus Russell in the 40. Beaten by most of the offensive linemen in the vertical jump.