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QB Jameis Winston, NYG (4 Viewers)
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Remove fantasy football from the equation.
Mason Rudolph had 1 awful game, wherein a guy ripped off his helmet and assaulted him with it. Set aside that one game, and Rudolph averaged:
64% completions, 12-5 TD/TO ratio, and a passer rating over 80 in all but 1 game. He did this despite being thrown into an offense with a mediocre(to put it kindly) playcaller in an offense that was built for a 16 year veteran, that was missing their #1 WR, and #1 RB for chunks of the season, and they were limited even when they were playing. Leaving 4 guys with almost no experience to carry the load(Samuels,Snell, Washington, Johnson)
Even with the Browns game, Rudolph had 62% completions, 13/9 TD/TO ratio, and a passer rating over 80 in all but 2 games. (80%)
Also these were the 1st 10 starts of Rudolph's career.
Winston on the other hand:
60% completions, 33-35 TD/TO ratio, and a passer rating under 80 a whopping 8(50%) times. This despite the best WR combo in the NFL, and an excellent playcaller. Winston also has been starting for 5 years, yet he's still making rookie mistakes(probably more than he made as an actual rookie) In his defense Evans and Godwin both got hurt late in the year, but the sample size is plenty big enough by that point.
I don't think people realize how poorly Winston played last year. Tampa Bay missed the playoffs because of Winston. He cost them at least 4 games by himself. Rudolph cost the Steelers the Browns game, no argument there, that is really it.
I have argued in a different thread that going from Winston to Brady alone, makes the Bucs a playoff team. I think Brady, BY HIMSELF, is worth 2-6 wins more than Winston, even at 43 years of age.
Winston takes a lot more off the table than he adds to it. He shouldn't be starting for any NFL team in my opinion, and I would much rather take my chances on a guy like Mason Rudolph, as well as some other small sample size QB's, who I think the jury is still out on. We know what Winston is, and it isn't a successful QB.
Mason Rudolph had 1 awful game, wherein a guy ripped off his helmet and assaulted him with it. Set aside that one game, and Rudolph averaged:
64% completions, 12-5 TD/TO ratio, and a passer rating over 80 in all but 1 game. He did this despite being thrown into an offense with a mediocre(to put it kindly) playcaller in an offense that was built for a 16 year veteran, that was missing their #1 WR, and #1 RB for chunks of the season, and they were limited even when they were playing. Leaving 4 guys with almost no experience to carry the load(Samuels,Snell, Washington, Johnson)
Even with the Browns game, Rudolph had 62% completions, 13/9 TD/TO ratio, and a passer rating over 80 in all but 2 games. (80%)
Also these were the 1st 10 starts of Rudolph's career.
Winston on the other hand:
60% completions, 33-35 TD/TO ratio, and a passer rating under 80 a whopping 8(50%) times. This despite the best WR combo in the NFL, and an excellent playcaller. Winston also has been starting for 5 years, yet he's still making rookie mistakes(probably more than he made as an actual rookie) In his defense Evans and Godwin both got hurt late in the year, but the sample size is plenty big enough by that point.
I don't think people realize how poorly Winston played last year. Tampa Bay missed the playoffs because of Winston. He cost them at least 4 games by himself. Rudolph cost the Steelers the Browns game, no argument there, that is really it.
I have argued in a different thread that going from Winston to Brady alone, makes the Bucs a playoff team. I think Brady, BY HIMSELF, is worth 2-6 wins more than Winston, even at 43 years of age.
Winston takes a lot more off the table than he adds to it. He shouldn't be starting for any NFL team in my opinion, and I would much rather take my chances on a guy like Mason Rudolph, as well as some other small sample size QB's, who I think the jury is still out on. We know what Winston is, and it isn't a successful QB.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
It's looking like Jameis lost a super high stakes game of musical chairs.How's this looking now?
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Someone will pick him up as a backup and see if he improves. It’d be suicide to bring him in as a starter, the coach and gm will be fired at the end of the year.
with no interest in him it seems like he can be had for pretty low cost. I'm not sure there is much risk there...
The Frankman
Footballguy
Teams are really going to get a bargain ... Winston clearly has starter's talent; he's just a knucklehead. In this era where QBs are stupid overpaid (Tannehill/Foles/etc), it's really an oddity that he's still on the market. I think the bigger issue is the teams with the really good offensive QB gurus aren't looking to take a "project"; Colts nabbed Rivers due to familiarity with Reich, Chargers and Anthony Lynn value Tyrod Taylor because he worked with him for a few years. Due to that and the sudden signing of Brady by the Bucs, Winston's market hasn't remotely materialized in the way he thought it would.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I think he'd undervalued because IMO there is a lot of talent in that guy. But coaches don't like players that turn the ball over. Simple as that.
ETA: I am also starting to wonder if GMs/Owners think COVID may wreck part of the season. So they are backing off on higher priced FA signings that would have mucho guaranteed $s in them.
ETA: I am also starting to wonder if GMs/Owners think COVID may wreck part of the season. So they are backing off on higher priced FA signings that would have mucho guaranteed $s in them.
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Losing Rivers is a major blow to Keenan Allen's fantasy value. I'll take these Pick-6 machine over tyrod every day of the week. Keenan's targets would be double with Winston over Tyrod.
Winston to SD. Make it happen. Who cares if they lose and he throws 3 INTs a game. It's all about my fantasy team.
Winston to SD. Make it happen. Who cares if they lose and he throws 3 INTs a game. It's all about my fantasy team.
daveR
Footballguy
Yep. There is a QB glut right now -- especially if you add 4-6 that will be drafted.
100%
This situation is amusing to me. We've known all along that Winston was a terrible QB. It's like the NFL finally worked it out and put aside his draft status and "potential" because the reality was finally too obvious.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think 'kudos' was used wrong here and gave off the wrong impression. I don't think he knows what kudos are. That, I guess, says something, but "kudos to me" in the context of what he was saying just sounds like a misuse of the word.
rockaction
Footballguy
acme
Footballguy
i couldn't either and no time to fix. (old school spoiler alert ... link was for Kudos Granola Bars)-
rockaction
Footballguy
We used to have those as a kid because the Moms thought they were better for you than candy bars.
Here's a pro tip, Ma: they weren't.
rockaction
Footballguy
Haha. I suppose crazier things have happened, but I would be blown away if that happens. Lynn is too risk averse for that. Only remote chance is if Taylor gets hurt and they don't draft a QB. And even then I would be surprised.
rockaction
Footballguy
Please tell me he didn't compare him to JaMarcus. I hope not. (I haven't read the article.)
Translation:
We are really hoping someone signs him to a big contract so that we can get a supplemental pick for him, so we will keep talking about how good he is.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Finishing #6 isn't relevant? They beat #8 Miami, #7 Auburn, #2 Georgia, #22 Mississippi State, and won the Fiesta Bowl over the red-hot UCF team. He threw for almost 3000 yard and 23 TD's coming into the program at the end of May that "non-relevant" season ffs. At OSU he sat behind golden boy JT Barrett and then Haskins who threw for 50 TD's that year.
rockaction
Footballguy
I was going to work a joke like that in, believe it or not.
Ahhh Jameis. There's sort of a Twitter war going on with he and David Carr, I think. Some online e-rag had posted a video of him training under pressure (he's getting a large medicine ball swung at him) and David Carr tweeted that he should "hire somebody other than his friends to train him" or something like that. Peeps got upset.
Here's the story. Pretty lame all around. No crab leg jokes.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/09/david-carr-chides-jameis-winston-for-training-choices/
Ilov80s
Footballguy
David Carr had his own issues at playing QB in the NFL, he should probably keep to himself on things like this.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It looked ridiculous, just seems silly for Carr to call Winston out publicly.Said he never had anybody flying at his head and that Jameis's workout was ridiki
rockaction
Footballguy
I agree. I don't think we disagree on that. I was simply relaying more of the story.
As wik would say - it's wikkiddiwikkidiwack
-OZ-
Footballguy
Is this the wrong thread?
Burrow might have been the 4th or 5th QB taken from the SEC if they all could have been drafted last year. I'm not sure he'd have gone ahead of stidham. He definitely earned the chance in 2019.
Foosball God
Foos
Coaches hate turnovers and he's a turnover machine. That's why coaches like Belichick don't want him. It would drive him insane.
Dude was a coward and couldn't even grasp the easiest parts of being an NFL QB. I mean who runs out of bounds behind the LOS when you can throw the ball 15 rows into the seats? David Carr, that's who. Kubiak said it all when he arrived there and said 'How can you not know that", referring to something else that was NFL QB 101 as well.
Anyone who knows Belicheck knows, there is no chance Winston comes with 50 yards of him. That is the width of the football field, right?
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Nobody in this thread or forum has ever played in the nfl sooooooooo...?
David Carr is in the top 99.9999% of people to ever grip a football. I’m pretty sure he can have an opinion.
edit: his opinion is stupid here but he at least has the credentials to have it.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure but it seems pretty classless calling the guy out publicly like that on ESPN or NFLN. Winston doesn’t even have a job now. Just seems like a former QB who knows how tough the job is and how terrible the media can be might show a little more professional respect.
Capella
Footballguy
I totally agree I just always dislike the “he sucked in the nfl so what does he know” shtick - commonly applied to guys like Trent Dilfer too. They’ve climbed to the top of an almost impossible mountain.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh I agree Carr knows plenty. I can see where you are coming from. It wasn’t a shot at his knowledge at all, just lack of empathy.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
David Carr had all kinds of body parts flying at his head, and most of them connected. Thus his career trajectory.Said he never had anybody flying at his head and that Jameis's workout was ridiki
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