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QB Jimmy Garoppolo, LAR (2 Viewers)

Not a great game yesterday, but when he needed to be on, he was on.

Jimmy in OT:

-Middle pass to Kittle for 8
-Boundary pass to Jennings for 25
-Intermediate pass to Kittle for 21
-Middle pass to Hasty for 3
-Tight window pass to Kittle for 9
-TD to Aiyuk, walkoff

Shanahan called 6 passes. Jimmy delivered 6 completions. Sometimes he's clutch. Sometimes.

 
More fun stuff:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/153547-jimmy-garoppolos-10000-passing-yards-49ers-franchise-record/#9664

Garoppolo entered Week 14's matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals, needing just seven passing yards to reach 10,000 passing yards as a member of the 49ers. He did so in 43 games, which means the he accomplished the feat quicker than any other player in franchise history. Garoppolo broke Jeff Garcia's record of 44 games with the 49ers to reach 10,000 passing 

Fewest games to 10,000 passing yards with the 49ers:
 

Jimmy Garoppolo, 43

Jeff Garcia, 44

Colin Kaepernick, 56

Alex Smith, 58

Joe Montana, 64

Garoppolo also became one of only eight quarterbacks in franchise history to reach 10,000 passing yards. The others are Joe Montana, John Brodie, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, Y.A. Tittle, Alex Smith, and Colin Kaepernick.

 
Jimmy Garoppolo has the NFL's fourth best completion rate when facing pressure this season. 

Playing behind an offensive line graded by Pro Football Focus as the league's sixth best pass-blocking unit, Jimmy G has fared well when facing pressure, completing 56.1 percent of his attempts. Only Teddy Bridgewater, Matt Ryan, and Mac Jones have a better completion rate when facing pressure. Garoppolo's 7.6 yards per attempt when facing pressure is the league's second highest mark, trailing Joe Burrow (7.7 YPA). Niners head coach Kyle Shanahan has all but declared Garoppolo will start the remainder of the season after a month of solid play that has left Trey Lance on the bench. Garoppolo won't see much pressure in Week 15 against a Falcons defense with a league-low 17 percent pressure rate. He's a viable streamer against the middling Atlanta defense. The 49ers sport the week's fourth highest implied total (27.25 points). 

RELATED: 

Trey Lance

Dec 14, 2021, 9:20 AM ET

 
^ Oh boy, there's some fuel for some dead-horse-beating drivel right there. I feel for those that don't use the ignore feature.


You know people can see how you don't ignore stuff here, don't you?

But to answer Peter King:

The 49ers have the 4th "best" quarterback in the NFCW - and yes even with Russell Wilson in a down season because SEA won two games against SFO -  along with Murray and Stafford. So next season with Garopollo, they still will have the 4th best QB in the division, and even worse, if they start Lance.

You need to understand, this forum isn't about you or me. So stop trying to tell other people who they should not ignore or ignore, since you can't even follow your own advice.

 
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Playing behind an offensive line graded by Pro Football Focus as the league's sixth best pass-blocking unit, Jimmy G has fared well when facing pressure, completing 56.1 percent of his attempts. Only Teddy Bridgewater, Matt Ryan, and Mac Jones have a better completion rate when facing pressure. Garoppolo's 7.6 yards per attempt when facing pressure is the league's second highest mark, trailing Joe Burrow (7.7 YPA)


This is why stats like PFF are "boutique" stats, just because of the quarterbacks within this grouping. Some 49er fans will say "Hey, look at this!" without realizing King just put Garopollo in the same sentence as Teddy Bridgewater. using a small tiny sample size. But that's why people like King post this, because it goes viral with 49er fans.

 
More fun stuff:

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/153547-jimmy-garoppolos-10000-passing-yards-49ers-franchise-record/#9664

Garoppolo entered Week 14's matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals, needing just seven passing yards to reach 10,000 passing yards as a member of the 49ers. He did so in 43 games, which means the he accomplished the feat quicker than any other player in franchise history. Garoppolo broke Jeff Garcia's record of 44 games with the 49ers to reach 10,000 passing 

Fewest games to 10,000 passing yards with the 49ers:
 

Jimmy Garoppolo, 43

Jeff Garcia, 44

Colin Kaepernick, 56

Alex Smith, 58

Joe Montana, 64

Garoppolo also became one of only eight quarterbacks in franchise history to reach 10,000 passing yards. The others are Joe Montana, John Brodie, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, Y.A. Tittle, Alex Smith, and Colin Kaepernick.


And he did that while only posting one full 16 game season with the franchise.

But era's are era's, and there are only three other quarterbacks listed here that are "post salary cap quarterbacks", and quarterbacks who have the benefit of rule changes that would had affected "pre salary cap" defensive backs and safeties in say Ronnie Lott and Jack Tatum.

You know why they implemented the salary cap, don't you? Well besides Eddie D and Jerrah screwing up the player market. It was to promote more parity in the league. For instance, Matt Stafford in consecutive seasons threw for 10,005 yards - 5038 in 2011, 4967 in 2012 - and wait, there's more! In the two following seasons, he threw for 4650, and 4257 respectively.

And he did this playing in DET.

For a quarterback in DET to post 10,000 yards in two seasons, to say a quarterback posts that over several more is more a testament to the modern passing post salary cap era. If Stafford plays for at least three more seasons, he could surpass 60,000 yards passing. Because he averages 4000+ yards per 16 game season. Where he had eight consecutive 16 game seasons 2011-2018, where he averaged well over 4000 yards per season, with only 2018 where he only posted 3777 yards passing.

Context is all I am adding here, because context matters.

Edit: Stafford currently has passed for 3898 yards with four more games to go where he could surpass 50,000 yards passing for his career. Plus you know McVay probably won't hold him to like only 8 attempts in a playoff game like Shahahan did with Garopollo.

ETA #2 for more context: John Brodie and YA Tittle played in an era that only had 12 games per season. If you have to include quarterbacks from 1952 to 1973 only means Frankie Albert was left out because the 49ers started in the AAFC, and Jim Plunkett only played two seasons with the 49ers, well there ya have it.

 
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Faust said:


Yeah this is Alex Smith 2.0 in KC:

The difference for the Niners and Garoppolo is he's making the most of his opportunities, with the quality of those completions superseding the quantity. In the most recent seven-game stretch, Garoppolo ranks first in the NFL in yards per attempt (8.89) and yards per drop back (7.76).

As is often the case in coach Kyle Shanahan's offense, many of those yards have come after the catch, as Garoppolo is 19th in air yards per attempt (7.61) and third in yards after the catch per completion (6.1). Through that, Garoppolo still hasn't pushed the ball downfield much, with just 7.1% of his attempts traveling 20-plus yards in the air (29th in the league).


It was like when Smith would dump off to Jamal Charles and Charles ran for a 50 yard gain. Yet as I pointed out earlier, the 49ers in the past two games have only scored 9 points in 5 quarters of post halftime football. The difference against CIN was CIN's own turnovers in the first half that wound as points for SFO, SFO missing a FG to win in regulation (which doesn't really happen much with Robbie Gould, although this season he has lost some of his mojo with a few misses), and CIN kicking a FG instead of gambling and going for it on 4th down in OT. CIN was also only the second team they have beaten that was above .500, as they edged out another 7-6 team in again CIN.

But this is the real book on Garoppolo:

But one thing Garoppolo has done that has made a difference is cut down on turnovers. It's been a significant point of emphasis for Shanahan to his team and Garoppolo, in particular. This season, the Niners are 6-0 when Garoppolo -- who has eight interceptions -- doesn't throw an interception and 1-5 in games when he does. In Garoppolo's 43 regular-season starts with the team, San Francisco is 14-4 when Garoppolo doesn't have a pick.


He's not the kind of quarterback that can overcome his own mistakes, even just one of them. Against SEA, who turned the ball over twice in the red zone, Garoppolo in turn also threw two interceptions. One that was just a plain boneheaded mistake right into Bobby Wagner's chest. If one interception throw by Garoppolo is that fatal to the outcome, then two is ballgame. If the 49ers defense or special teams doesn't create one of their own against an opponent (like capitalizing a muffed punt against CIN).

Although Garoppolo's current stretch is arguably his best since coming to San Francisco, it's come with some shaky moments. Garoppolo has missed open receivers -- either not seeing them or missing with an inaccurate throw -- and hasn't been able to break his habit of forcing the ball into traffic.


Translation: this is Garoppolo's ceiling, and without George Kittle, it's even lower.

 
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Just to compare another quarterback whose team hung a 29 point quarter against ATL in week 10

Dak Prescott - 24/31, 296 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs 0 sacks, 1 TD rushing.

DAL hung 29 points on ATL in the second quarter alone just a few weeks ago, Jalen Hurts hung 3 TDs against them to open the season, TB and Tom Brady hung 48 points on them, so my only question is why the 49ers didn't give any snaps to Trey Lance, since even Taylor Heinike threw 3 Tds against ATL.

What does this have to do with Smoochy Face? Well again teh serious Peter King analytics even he doesn't understand.

 
Just to compare another quarterback whose team hung a 29 point quarter against ATL in week 10

Dak Prescott - 24/31, 296 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs 0 sacks, 1 TD rushing.

DAL hung 29 points on ATL in the second quarter alone just a few weeks ago, Jalen Hurts hung 3 TDs against them to open the season, TB and Tom Brady hung 48 points on them, so my only question is why the 49ers didn't give any snaps to Trey Lance, since even Taylor Heinike threw 3 Tds against ATL.

What does this have to do with Smoochy Face? Well again teh serious Peter King analytics even he doesn't understand.
We averaged 5 ypc against them today. The Cowboys averaged 3 in that game. I’m sure they would have rather had more success on their ground game. 
 

This has nothing to do with my feelings toward Jimmy but the above doesn’t tell the whole story.

 


You even notice when teams win, the fans say "we won", and when they lose, they say "they lost"?

Or when they suck, they say "they sucked today"?

When you hang 29 points in one quarter before halftime, game plans change and so do the averages. DAL rushed for 3 TDs against ATL as well, and the ATL defense is not good. The only two teams they have held under 20 points were NYG and JAX, each at 14 points. It's not a defense where you need Smoochy Face to throw for 25-30 attempts. He doesn't need to, it's ATL.

 
No, I haven’t. 


You mean "No, we haven't".

ETA: a lot of 49er fans "left" for KC when Joe Montana was traded. A lot of Joe fans rooted against Steve Young when they played each other.  "We" must not include the people who didn't want the franchise to move to Santa Clara. Maybe "you" shouldn't had fired Harbaugh for Tomsula. Maybe "you" shouldn't had knelt during the national anthem. Maybe "you" shouldn't had traded Buckner. Maybe "you" shouldn't had thrown an interception to Bobby Wagner.

I can understand why fans like to add themselves into the conversation when it comes to their chosen sports franchises, but sports franchises aren't necessarily as loyal in return. Besides, it's better to not have fans influence the decision making over at 49er HQ (see: Mike Singletary, for example, as Denise thought he would be a good choice because: the fans). Just look at 49er Webzone. That's a community where brain cells go to die. "We" means you drink the Kool-Aid just like "they" do. You can count "me" out of that.

 
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Jimmys INT rate is down to 2.1%, which ranks #15 in the NFL — for the first time in his career, he ranks in the top half of the league there (see, I can post mediocre stats when warranted lol)

That's certainly helped propel him into top-3 QB efficiency. It's what the 49ers have wanted from him.

And Jimmys INT rate is 1.7% since Week 8, which is exactly where the 49ers want him to be. Under 2 percent has always seemed like a worthy goal — and 1.7% would rank #7 in the league.

And for clarification, this doesn't mean I think he's one of the best QBs in the league, it just means he's playing efficiently, which at the very least could increase his trade value this offseason if they decide to go that route.

 
Jimmys INT rate is down to 2.1%, which ranks #15 in the NFL — for the first time in his career, he ranks in the top half of the league there (see, I can post mediocre stats when warranted lol)

That's certainly helped propel him into top-3 QB efficiency. It's what the 49ers have wanted from him.

And Jimmys INT rate is 1.7% since Week 8, which is exactly where the 49ers want him to be. Under 2 percent has always seemed like a worthy goal — and 1.7% would rank #7 in the league.

And for clarification, this doesn't mean I think he's one of the best QBs in the league, it just means he's playing efficiently, which at the very least could increase his trade value this offseason if they decide to go that route.


Well I don't think the 49ers paid 27 million this season for a quarterback who Shanahan has to manage. The 49er offense has to rush for over 150 yards per game sinking below the median, and again, he's essentially become Alex Smith 2.0 in KC.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22268637/kansas-city-chiefs-trade-quarterback-alex-smith-washington-redskins

Just using this as a reference in what KC got in return for the Smith trade.

If you're handcuffing and managing a quarterback like Garopollo to play at the median (there are a whole lot of bad to mediocre teams in the NFL this season, 28 teams as of yesterday still have a chance at the post season), I mean they spent some draft capital for Trey Lance, and if the 49ers know who Garopollo is (people from Greg Papa and so on know Garopollo is limited, and Papa watches practices) so does the rest of the league. They are basically using Garopollo in this offense like he was a rookie quarterback, managing his pitch count. He's a system quarterback where the system isn't dependent on the quarterback. Everyone in the Bay Area media knows this.

The thing is Smith was a better quarterback than Garopollo is. Even though Smith and Garopollo shared similar stats as the "ball in the air" stat. Without Kittle, Garopollo would fall well below the median, take Kittle out of this offense, and Garopollo would show his true value.

 
I don't see him holding off Lance next year, but I could be wrong.
And I have the pair taking up two roster spots in my dynasty league.  I also have both Rodgers and J Love.  Four roster spots (out of 31) being taken up by the qb position if two nfl teams in a start 1 qb league.  

 
And I have the pair taking up two roster spots in my dynasty league.  I also have both Rodgers and J Love.  Four roster spots (out of 31) being taken up by the qb position if two nfl teams in a start 1 qb league.  
I don't think Love is very good.  I would kick him to the curb.  I suppose if it's a SF league you would keep him, but I don't have a high opinion of him.

 
I don't see him holding off Lance next year, but I could be wrong.


They gave up two first round picks and a third to trade up for him. IMO that's not exactly mortgaging the future for one player in today's NFL, and the 49ers aren't perennial basement dwellers (well, unless Jed gets drunk and wants to fire his head coach again) where the those first round picks will hurt them. But you also can't keep a player on the bench for two years after spending that much for him in the draft.

To me it's similar to the Alex Smith/Colin Kaepernick situation, but not in draft capital, but more in the playbook. Then OC Greg Roman broke out a slew of new plays he had schemed up after hanging with Chris Ault up in Reno at UNR (which coincidentally had Kaepernick at QB) when Kaepernick had to start in place of Smith. Garopollo is more of a pocket passer whose wheels and arm shrink the offense, and Shanahan has to put him in the shotgun most of the time because of his limitations. Shanahan's offense is mostly play action and the run, and he likes to have the QB line up under center as well as the shotgun. From just an athletic perspective, Garopollo is limited and not durable. He gives them the best chance to win, but the only because the other QB on the roster is Lance who isn't ready yet.

 
Jimmy Garoppolo completed 26-of-35 passes for 306 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions in the 49ers' 20-17, Week 16 loss to the Titans. 

This will be a night that lives in infamy for 49ers fans despite the "300-yard performance." San Francisco blew a 10-0 halftime lead. Garoppolo was lucky to escape with only two picks, as he threw a third right to Rashaan Evans. The linebacker simply dropped it after baiting Garoppolo into a horrific throw. For the interceptions Garoppolo "converted," he stared down Jackrabbit Jenkins in the end zone before wildly air mailing Deebo Samuel on his first attempt of the second half. That is to say nothing of the countless passes Jimmy G flat yanked, with none being worse than a missed 41-yard score to a wide-open Kyle Juszczyk. He seemed to develop the yips after a trio of awful first half incompletions, causing him to lock onto Juszczyk for five targets. Despite Garoppolo's solid recent play, tonight was a vivid reminder of why the Niners saw fit to take a quarterback at No. 3 overall in last spring's draft. Garoppolo does have an A+ Week 17 bounce-back spot in the Texans. He will remain on the streamer radar for that one.  

Dec 23, 2021, 11:25 PM ET

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports Jimmy Garoppolo suffered what is thought to be “a more significant injury” than a right thumb sprain.

This comes just minutes after Kyle Shanahan referred to the injury as a right thumb sprain. He noted that Garoppolo wasn't throwing in practice Monday but would be re-evaluated on Wednesday. Shanahan also took a moment to note that Trey Lance put together his best month of practice over the last month. All signs point to Lance starting in Week 17 versus the Texans. If that's the case, Lance and his tremendous rushing upside would instantly vault into QB1 territory.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Dec 27, 2021, 5:16 PM ET

 
Jimmy Garoppolo won’t require surgery, will try to throw at 49ers practice

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/154187-jimmy-garoppolo-require-surgery-try-throw-49ers-practice/

In a bit of a surprise, Jimmy Garoppolo will try to participate in Wednesday's practice with his teammates. The San Francisco 49ers quarterback is dealing with a thumb injury. Reports stated that Garoppolo suffered an ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) tear and a chipped bone in his right thumb, which many felt made his availability for Sunday against the Houston Texans unlikely.

Head coach Kyle Shanahan said the team's training staff are working with Garoppolo to see if he can throw at practice on Wednesday, and the quarterback will not require surgery.

"The trainers are taking him out right now to see how much he can do," Shanahan said. "If he can do some, he will be limited today. If not, he won't practice, and he'll try again tomorrow."

Shanahan initially reported the injury as a thumb sprain.

"To clear that up, the reason that was worded that way was because that's the way it was worded to me," Shanahan explained. "There's three types of sprains, and he has a Grade III sprain, since I've got to give you guys more information to clear up Ian [Rapoport] and Adam's [Schefter] tweet. It is a Grade III sprain. The reason they never mentioned to me a fracture is because that really didn't have much to do with it.

"The third-degree sprain that he has on his UCL ligament, when that was ripped up, it pulled off a little fleck of his bone. So when there's a bone that has anything off of it, you can call it a fracture, you can call it a chip, you can call it something. But that really isn't what is keeping him out. It's the third-degree sprain that he has. But because it's not moving and stuff, it doesn't need surgery, and he has a chance to play this week."

Shanahan added, "I think he's feeling a lot better today than he was a few days ago."

 
Jimmy does NOT want to lose his job to Trey.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/154195-49ers-texans-jimmy-garoppolo-confident-hell-able-play-sunday/

49ers-Texans: Jimmy Garoppolo ‘confident’ he’ll be able to play Sunday

Garoppolo is confident he will be out there (Sunday) keeping rookie Trey Lance sidelined.

"I played the entire game [against the Titans] with it (the injured thumb), basically," Garoppolo said. "So it's really just about being able to grip the ball, do the things I normally do, and we're going to go test those out today, see how it feels, and go from there. But yeah, I feel confident [I can play]."

This guy. 😠

 
Honestly don't know what I want at this point.

If Jimmy G is out I have to consider starting him in the championship.

Terrifying.

Although equally terrifying would be a hobbled L. Jackson.

 
Jimmy Garoppolo (thumb) was not present in the portion of practice open to 49ers media on Thursday.

It's not a surprise at this point, but the 49ers and Garoppolo have tried to put a brave face on this by saying there's a chance he could play through this. Practice reports are telling us otherwise. Trey Lance would appear to be in line for the start against the Texans on Sunday, though there is still just a little bit of hope for Garoppolo to change that on Friday. 

SOURCE: Cam Inman on Twitter

Dec 30, 2021, 5:15 PM ET

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the 49ers are "optimistic" that Jimmy Garoppolo (thumb) plays in Week 18 against the Rams.

Garoppolo is dealing with a torn UCL in his thumb and NFL Network's Ian Rapoport has noted that he will require offseason surgery to fix the issue. He's listed as doubtful for Week 17 and after not practicing all week, there's no chance he plays. Trey Lance will start versus the Texans. Lance rushed 16 times for 89 yards in his only start this year. That type of rushing production immediately vaults him to QB1 status.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Jan 2, 2022, 8:16 AM ET

 
I think Jimmy G has played his last snap in San Fran. Bring on the kid! Get your surgery and get set to start for Houston next year, Jim.

 
Jimmy Garoppolo sprained his throwing shoulder in the second quarter of the NFC Wild Card game against the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday, San Francisco head coach Kyle Shanahan said Monday. The 49ers quarterback is expected to practice this week leading up to the NFC Divisional Round game against the Packers. There is no word yet on Garoppolo's status for their game in Green Bay on Saturday.

https://theathletic.com/news/49ers-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-sprained-throwing-shoulder-vs-cowboys-expected-to-practice/HPxA4eqqwnSb/

 
Bracie Smathers said:
LINK to table

Football Perspective@fbgchase

Over the last 5 years, did you know that Jimmy G had the 3rd best rate of picking up first downs on 3rd/4th down passing plays? 


Probably also had the shortest yards to go on 3rd and 4th downs.

 
Jimmy Garoppolo sprained his throwing shoulder in the second quarter of the NFC Wild Card game against the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday, San Francisco head coach Kyle Shanahan said Monday. The 49ers quarterback is expected to practice this week leading up to the NFC Divisional Round game against the Packers. There is no word yet on Garoppolo's status for their game in Green Bay on Saturday.

https://theathletic.com/news/49ers-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-sprained-throwing-shoulder-vs-cowboys-expected-to-practice/HPxA4eqqwnSb/
Ruhroh.  
 

Even a 100% Jimmy would have problems in Lambeau.  A sprained shoulder will either force them to do what they do best (run all day) or be certain doom. 
 

Jimmy still gives them the best chance.  But the team is limping to the Packers.  

 
They didn't win because of him, but Jimmy is now 4-1 in the postseason, beating Rodgers twice, Cousins once, and Dak once. His only loss was in the SB against KC.

 
They didn't win because of him, but Jimmy is now 4-1 in the postseason, beating Rodgers twice, Cousins once, and Dak once. His only loss was in the SB against KC.
I was pulling hard for the Niners and I winced on many flat footed throws toward the side line. I think that I would have targeted Kittle over the middle more often with shorter throws. His footwork seemed to cause the floaters, but maybe the injury also contributed. Hard to believe he got away with so many weak throws though.

 
I was pulling hard for the Niners and I winced on many flat footed throws toward the side line. I think that I would have targeted Kittle over the middle more often with shorter throws. His footwork seemed to cause the floaters, but maybe the injury also contributed. Hard to believe he got away with so many weak throws though.
I get nervous any time Jimmy tries to throw across the middle. 

 

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