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QB Kirk Cousins, ATL (2 Viewers)

He's like Phil Rivers without the draft pedigree or more playoff wins.
Also lacks the red a$$

Rivers was a complete red a$$, and I loved him for it. He'd get spitting mad at his own OL and scream in teammates faces to get their sh** together in the huddle or on the sideline.

Truth be told, I think the vikings could use a little more of that.
And how did that work for Rivers? A great talent and didn't win anything. Showing up teammates constantly isn't a good thing for the supposed "leader" of the team. Not saying there isn't a time to jump on teammates, but Rivers went way overboard. Brady was a better example of picking the right time to make his point.
I agree - I believe Cousins and Rivers are opposite ends of the Spectrum, with Brady as the measured middle ground.

Rivers is the dude who'll smash a tablet on the sidelines and scream until spit starts flying. Cousins just sits on the bench & shakes his head.

Brady is the guy who picks and chooses his moments to get animated & to let his teammates know that their level of play isn't acceptable. You nailed it - great example.
 
He's like Phil Rivers without the draft pedigree or more playoff wins.
Also lacks the red a$$

Rivers was a complete red a$$, and I loved him for it. He'd get spitting mad at his own OL and scream in teammates faces to get their sh** together in the huddle or on the sideline.

Truth be told, I think the vikings could use a little more of that.
And how did that work for Rivers? A great talent and didn't win anything. Showing up teammates constantly isn't a good thing for the supposed "leader" of the team. Not saying there isn't a time to jump on teammates, but Rivers went way overboard. Brady was a better example of picking the right time to make his point.


Rivers is the dude who'll smash a tablet on the sidelines and scream until spit starts flying.
I've always kind of liked the Chargers and generally root for them when they are on, but Rivers was a hard guy to like. Always wondered if he was like that at home with his wife as she watched after their 18 kids and hoped not for her and the kids sake.
 
Always wondered if he was like that at home with his wife as she watched after their 18 kids and hoped not for her and the kids sake.
:lol:

I've seen some off-field interviews with him, and he is kind of a red a$$ off the field, even when getting softball questions from interviewers. But then again, that's still "work".

He's a pretty devout dude, so I imagine it's a lot of church & babysitting. A LOT of babysitting. lol
 
They were down 20-7 and getting throttled - the entire game from there was garbage time.
Are QBs going against the Eagles a must start going forward?

Week 1: Mac Jones, #2 overall QB, 316/3/1, ~27 pts
Week 2: Kirk Cousins, currently #1 QB, 364/4/0, ~32 pts

Week 3: Mayfield
Week 4: Howell
Week 5: Stafford
Week 6: Z Wilson :lol:

For QB streamers those week 3-5 options are stiffy inducing.
While all of these teams will probably be down big early against Philly, none have the offensive weapons that Minnesota has. I know the Pats aren't "loaded" with offensive weapons, but Jones threw the ball really well and got decent protection.
 
Just for fun, I asked ChatGPT about garbage time…

"Garbage time" is a colloquial term used in the NFL (and other sports) to describe a period in a game, usually towards the end, when one team has such a substantial lead that the outcome is essentially already decided. During this time, the game is often out of reach for the trailing team, and the plays or points scored may not have any significant impact on the final outcome.

A few things typically characterize garbage time:

  1. Substitute Players: Coaches might pull out their starting players to avoid risk of injury and give their backups some playing experience. This is especially common if there's another important game coming up soon.
  2. Conservative Play: Leading teams might shift to more conservative strategies to run down the clock, while trailing teams might take more risks in an effort to close the gap—even if those risks have a low chance of paying off.
  3. Less Intensity: The energy and intensity of the game may diminish. This isn't to say players aren't trying, but the urgency seen earlier in the game might be reduced.
Points scored during garbage time can skew statistics for players and teams. For example, a quarterback might throw several touchdowns during garbage time, making his stats look impressive, even though those touchdowns didn't meaningfully contribute to the team's win. Similarly, a defense might give up more points in garbage time but still be dominant when the game's outcome was in question.

It's worth noting that not everyone appreciates the term because it can seem dismissive of the efforts of players who are still competing, even in a lopsided game. However, the term is still commonly used in sports commentary and discussions.



Selfishly, I welcome as many garbage time TDs as Cousins can muster this season. Especially if that gets him to 5000/40!
as you should.
there should be lots of it. the Minny Defense isnt THAT good. so there may be significant garbage time for cousins
Spot on with the defense being bad and Vikings having to keep pace in a lot of high scoring games. For people that targeted Cousins this year, that was a big part of the appeal, along with Cook leaving and great receiving weapons.
yep. perfect storm.
line worries me some. but Cousins has remained fairly healthy over the course of his career, so I'm not as worried as I'd normally be in this situation.

I think he will have a nice year (provided of course his good health continues)
 
I roll my eyes every time I hear the prime time criticism of Cousins. Its so tired and played out yet people gravitate to this idea and it resonates with them for some reason. Tell a lie often enough and people believe its true.

Its not easy to convince someone that they have been fooled because that would require them to question their beliefs or maybe even admit they were wrong.

Those prime time games are generally against good teams and football is a team sport. The Vikings are not a balanced team. They have many weaknesses and Cousins is one of the least of them.

That said he does fumble the ball too much in my opinion and he does have a personality that is not edgy or cool so people are naturally inclined to dismiss him because of that regardless of his ability to play football.
 
I roll my eyes every time I hear the prime time criticism of Cousins. Its so tired and played out yet people gravitate to this idea and it resonates with them for some reason. Tell a lie often enough and people believe its true.

Its not easy to convince someone that they have been fooled because that would require them to question their beliefs or maybe even admit they were wrong.

Those prime time games are generally against good teams and football is a team sport. The Vikings are not a balanced team. They have many weaknesses and Cousins is one of the least of them.

That said he does fumble the ball too much in my opinion and he does have a personality that is not edgy or cool so people are naturally inclined to dismiss him because of that regardless of his ability to play football.
dont be mad.
you can get cousins usually at least a couple rounds later than you should be able to in any given year.
that means if you like him hes one of the few players you can afford to wait on.

Thats not a bad thing.
 
I roll my eyes every time I hear the prime time criticism of Cousins. Its so tired and played out yet people gravitate to this idea and it resonates with them for some reason. Tell a lie often enough and people believe its true.

Its not easy to convince someone that they have been fooled because that would require them to question their beliefs or maybe even admit they were wrong.

Those prime time games are generally against good teams and football is a team sport. The Vikings are not a balanced team. They have many weaknesses and Cousins is one of the least of them.

That said he does fumble the ball too much in my opinion and he does have a personality that is not edgy or cool so people are naturally inclined to dismiss him because of that regardless of his ability to play football.
dont be mad.
you can get cousins usually at least a couple rounds later than you should be able to in any given year.

that means if you like him hes one of the few players you can afford to wait on.

Thats not a bad thing.
I actually had to reach a bit for him this year. In our local 14 teamer (6 points per passing TD) I grabbed him at 7.3 even though Josh Dotson was still on the board and I really wanted to grab him. But I wanted Cousins and the guy who ALWAYS drafts him was behind me so I knew there was no way he would make it back. No regrets but was painful to know he was a 9th/10 rounder in most 12 team drafts. Going to 14 really makes a difference in the QBs flying off the board.
 
I roll my eyes every time I hear the prime time criticism of Cousins. Its so tired and played out yet people gravitate to this idea and it resonates with them for some reason. Tell a lie often enough and people believe its true.

Its not easy to convince someone that they have been fooled because that would require them to question their beliefs or maybe even admit they were wrong.

Those prime time games are generally against good teams and football is a team sport. The Vikings are not a balanced team. They have many weaknesses and Cousins is one of the least of them.

That said he does fumble the ball too much in my opinion and he does have a personality that is not edgy or cool so people are naturally inclined to dismiss him because of that regardless of his ability to play football.
dont be mad.
you can get cousins usually at least a couple rounds later than you should be able to in any given year.

that means if you like him hes one of the few players you can afford to wait on.

Thats not a bad thing.
I actually had to reach a bit for him this year. In our local 14 teamer (6 points per passing TD) I grabbed him at 7.3 even though Josh Dotson was still on the board and I really wanted to grab him. But I wanted Cousins and the guy who ALWAYS drafts him was behind me so I knew there was no way he would make it back. No regrets but was painful to know he was a 9th/10 rounder in most 12 team drafts. Going to 14 really makes a difference in the QBs flying off the board.
hes still reasonably good value there.
well done.
when drafting guys like him its a know your league thing. there will always be certain players that perform differently in your draft because certain GMS preferences are a bit off the board. I'm betting money he was the best QB on the board at the time you picked him. thats all you can ask when you pick a QB.
 
He keeps ending up on my team every year he rolls. I never get trade offers for him. No one drafts him but me. It's weird how it plays out.
I get it. hes on my team. its a 2 QB league (similar to superflex) and same deal. nobody makes me offers for him but at the end of the year everyone is impressed with my QB's. then come draft time, nobody has interest in him (again) which is fine by me. I'm not complaining.
 
He keeps ending up on my team every year he rolls. I never get trade offers for him. No one drafts him but me. It's weird how it plays out.
I get it. hes on my team. its a 2 QB league (similar to superflex) and same deal. nobody makes me offers for him but at the end of the year everyone is impressed with my QB's. then come draft time, nobody has interest in him (again) which is fine by me. I'm not complaining.

There’s a category of older veterans that just get overlooked by owners more attracted to the potential of rookies. The Rodney Dangerfields of the league. I try to identify them going into the draft. Cousins was a crystal clear example of one.

”I don’t get no respect!” — Kirk Cousins, probably
 
I roll my eyes every time I hear the prime time criticism of Cousins. Its so tired and played out yet people gravitate to this idea and it resonates with them for some reason. Tell a lie often enough and people believe its true.

Its not easy to convince someone that they have been fooled because that would require them to question their beliefs or maybe even admit they were wrong.

Those prime time games are generally against good teams and football is a team sport. The Vikings are not a balanced team. They have many weaknesses and Cousins is one of the least of them.

That said he does fumble the ball too much in my opinion and he does have a personality that is not edgy or cool so people are naturally inclined to dismiss him because of that regardless of his ability to play football.
dont be mad.
you can get cousins usually at least a couple rounds later than you should be able to in any given year.
that means if you like him hes one of the few players you can afford to wait on.

Thats not a bad thing.
I wasnt talking about fantasy football in regards to this but the media and general public which included many posts here in regards to Kirk Cousins ability to win prime time games, which is a non sequitor when games are won or lost by many different factors than just QB play.

People were even making start sit and other gambling decisions based on this ill logic. God bless their hearts.

As far as your point about being able to get Cousins for a lower price in fantasy football in part because of this I agree with you and that is a good point. Its just not the perspective I am coming from as a Vikings fan.

As far as me being mad or upset that has little to do with Cousins but everything to do with the mismanagement of the team by the GM and coaches decisions.
 
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We get it. You don't have Cousins on your FF team, therefore he isn't good :ROFLMAO:
No, I faced him in 4 leagues. He is good. I’m just bitter and he’s the king of garbage time.

I saw no realistic chance of the Vikings winning once they were down 20-7. The Vikings did not disappoint.
On the road against the team that played in the super bowl and turned the ball over 4 times. Yeah, a tough task to pull that one out.

Jefferson fumbling the ball out of the end zone was a global killer. Whole different game if they get the TD there. Not saying they would have won, but would have been very interesting anyway.

Also, none of that was "garbage time". The last TD got them to within a score. Didn't notice the Eagles had their scrubs in.
I sat him at the last minute for Richsrdson. Not his fault they lost. He is going to have his best season this year. I sat him because of the prime time rep. Not doubting again. Probably cost me a win.
I thought about putting Dak in for him because of the prime time issues of the past, but decided to show some faith. Plus my last minute changes hardly ever work out. But yeah, I wouldn't blame anyone with a good option to pull the plug last night.
Lol Same here. Seems like it always goes against me when I make those last minute changes. I literally took him out about 20 minutes before the game. One of my friends in our league agreed as well. This morning I was going to pin it on him because I felt so dumb. But of course it was all me bro. 😆
 
Cousins is a different dude with OConnell. KOC had the moxie but bad accuracy when he was a QB. Kirk has the arm but not the mental game. KOC has definitely rubbed off on Kirk.

Zimmer was a hard dude to play for. The locker room hated him.

I think Cousins is finally enjoying playing football. He’s still not good enough to overcome this teams deficiencies tho.
 
A few random thoughts:

Was thinking late in the draft season and telling someone I was drafting with that if you have a QB whose primary WR is the first pick in most drafts, TE is the third one taken, second WR is going as WR36 and a third WR is drafted in the teen rounds how can everyone be so relatively low on the guy throwing them the ball?

I think a good chance the Vikings will be 2-5 or 3-4 and if any contending teams, Jets included, suffer a QB injury we'll be hearing rumors. In fact already saw one today so I'm already late posting this thought. Odds seem small of a trade and rumors are probably all we'll hear but this JJ owner in multiple leagues is just a little bit nervous about it.

I'm so annoyed with myself because every time he makes a good play I can't stop stop saying "do you like that" or "we love it Kirkco" and I can't help myself and just want it to stop, though probably not to the level of my family members.
 
Who else has the Cousins/Jefferson stack?
Have the Kirk/Hock stack.
Me too. Nice start to the week 👋

Oh yeah it is! Cousin’s points could easily be the difference maker in this week’s head-to-head. He had 37.6 points in my league. What an outing!
In my local league, CBS had me as the underdog. Means nothing of course but I'm looking at the lineups and wondering how I could be the underdog. Anyway, I posted that I would retire from fantasy football forever if I lost this matchup. Generating some league interest because of the FF fanatics most of us are. I don't think they would hold me to it if I did lose, but I'll have to pay some kind of price, like paying for the drinks next time we get together for a game. But looks like Kirk and Hock are going to bail me out of a decent expenditure.
 
They were down 20-7 and getting throttled - the entire game from there was garbage time.
Are QBs going against the Eagles a must start going forward?
The Eagles' back 7 was already weaker than it was last year, and now has three of its starters injured. LB and safety have been particular concerns and they have not defended the middle of the field well at all. TEs are a must start against them. QBs, it depends on your options, but it's certainly something that could be a tiebreaker if you have two QBs that platoon.
 
So far he’s had three excellent weeks in a row and nobody cares about Cousins despite leading the league in passing yards and passing TD. As long as 35 year old QBs like Cousins continue to get no respect, I’ll continue draft them.
 
Kirk Cousins completed 32-of-50 passes for 367 yards, three touchdowns and an interception in the Vikings’ 28-24, Week 3 loss to the Chargers.

For the third time in as many weeks, Cousins threw for at least 344 yards and two touchdowns. For the third time in as many weeks, it came in a Vikings loss. This one wasn’t Cousins’ fault until it mattered most. With the Vikes generating a first down at the Chargers’ five after Cousins converted a 4th-and-5 pass to T.J. Hockenson, the quarterback couldn’t get the offense to the line in a timely fashion. Instead of spiking the ball, Cousins ended up rushing a pass, one that ended up an end zone tip drill and interception. Just absolutely brutal, and inexcusable from the king of “how did that statline lose that game?” losses. The good news for Cousins managers is his rushing attack and defense flat-out stink. The throws aren’t about to stop. Cousins has an approachable Week 4 matchup in the Panthers.
- Rotoworld
It's amazing how he's putting up these numbers yet still somehow is one of the main reasons his team loses games.
 
Kirk Cousins completed 32-of-50 passes for 367 yards, three touchdowns and an interception in the Vikings’ 28-24, Week 3 loss to the Chargers.

For the third time in as many weeks, Cousins threw for at least 344 yards and two touchdowns. For the third time in as many weeks, it came in a Vikings loss. This one wasn’t Cousins’ fault until it mattered most. With the Vikes generating a first down at the Chargers’ five after Cousins converted a 4th-and-5 pass to T.J. Hockenson, the quarterback couldn’t get the offense to the line in a timely fashion. Instead of spiking the ball, Cousins ended up rushing a pass, one that ended up an end zone tip drill and interception. Just absolutely brutal, and inexcusable from the king of “how did that statline lose that game?” losses. The good news for Cousins managers is his rushing attack and defense flat-out stink. The throws aren’t about to stop. Cousins has an approachable Week 4 matchup in the Panthers.
- Rotoworld
It's amazing how he's putting up these numbers yet still somehow is one of the main reasons his team loses games.
What did he do today? Fumbles by the offense and a pick off a guys hands in the end zone aren't his fault. I'd also fault the play calling running that slug on 1st and 1 twice, that roll out across his body was also retched design
 
Kirk Cousins completed 32-of-50 passes for 367 yards, three touchdowns and an interception in the Vikings’ 28-24, Week 3 loss to the Chargers.

For the third time in as many weeks, Cousins threw for at least 344 yards and two touchdowns. For the third time in as many weeks, it came in a Vikings loss. This one wasn’t Cousins’ fault until it mattered most. With the Vikes generating a first down at the Chargers’ five after Cousins converted a 4th-and-5 pass to T.J. Hockenson, the quarterback couldn’t get the offense to the line in a timely fashion. Instead of spiking the ball, Cousins ended up rushing a pass, one that ended up an end zone tip drill and interception. Just absolutely brutal, and inexcusable from the king of “how did that statline lose that game?” losses. The good news for Cousins managers is his rushing attack and defense flat-out stink. The throws aren’t about to stop. Cousins has an approachable Week 4 matchup in the Panthers.
- Rotoworld
It's amazing how he's putting up these numbers yet still somehow is one of the main reasons his team loses games.
That’s BS. Vikes did not lose because of Kirk.
 
Kirk Cousins completed 32-of-50 passes for 367 yards, three touchdowns and an interception in the Vikings’ 28-24, Week 3 loss to the Chargers.

For the third time in as many weeks, Cousins threw for at least 344 yards and two touchdowns. For the third time in as many weeks, it came in a Vikings loss. This one wasn’t Cousins’ fault until it mattered most. With the Vikes generating a first down at the Chargers’ five after Cousins converted a 4th-and-5 pass to T.J. Hockenson, the quarterback couldn’t get the offense to the line in a timely fashion. Instead of spiking the ball, Cousins ended up rushing a pass, one that ended up an end zone tip drill and interception. Just absolutely brutal, and inexcusable from the king of “how did that statline lose that game?” losses. The good news for Cousins managers is his rushing attack and defense flat-out stink. The throws aren’t about to stop. Cousins has an approachable Week 4 matchup in the Panthers.
- Rotoworld
It's amazing how he's putting up these numbers yet still somehow is one of the main reasons his team loses games.
That’s BS. Vikes did not lose because of Kirk.
They never do. Yet here they sit failing year after year, week after week.
 
I didn't say they lost because of him, but somehow he always has one of these moments where he either doesn't make a throw or makes some sort of boneheaded mistake. Every postgame talking head was stunned why Kirk, a veteran QB, didn't just spike it and take his time. It's like the moment gets too big for him.
 
I didn't say they lost because of him, but somehow he always has one of these moments where he either doesn't make a throw or makes some sort of boneheaded mistake. Every postgame talking head was stunned why Kirk, a veteran QB, didn't just spike it and take his time. It's like the moment gets too big for him.
That was definitely a spike it situation. Total clusterfock.

Another two turnovers today and another Mattison fumble that should have been. Killing them
 
I didn't say they lost because of him, but somehow he always has one of these moments where he either doesn't make a throw or makes some sort of boneheaded mistake. Every postgame talking head was stunned why Kirk, a veteran QB, didn't just spike it and take his time. It's like the moment gets too big for him.
Dude just isn’t that nimble. He’s more like a programmed machine, but can’t process fast enough to audible when the script breaks down. While he can’t be blamed for the awful Min D the entirety of his tenure, there is zero doubt that Cousins makes bone headed mistakes at the worst possible moment. Like not spiking it today.
 
Despite the numbers I didn't think Cousins ball placement was very good on a lot of his throws in this game. A few of them were great, but I have seen him lead his receivers better than this is other games before. Some times this was understandable due to a defender knocking a linemen into his throwing path, but other times he was not under duress at all, or had his throw interfered with, yet he was throwing behind receivers or throwing it too high.

The way they stall in goal line situations is also partly his fault. Although I would attribute a lot of that to poor blocking from the offensive line as well.
 
Next Gen Stats
Kirk Cousins currently leads the NFL in touchdown passes in rhythm through the first five weeks of the season (10), defined as dropbacks with a time to throw between 2.5 and 4 seconds.

Cousins has thrown 119 TDs in rhythm since 2016, the only quarterback over 100.

#Skol
Got the blues because you lost that Kirk/Jefferson stack?

Get rhythm!

 
Next Gen Stats
Kirk Cousins currently leads the NFL in touchdown passes in rhythm through the first five weeks of the season (10), defined as dropbacks with a time to throw between 2.5 and 4 seconds.

Cousins has thrown 119 TDs in rhythm since 2016, the only quarterback over 100.

#Skol

Since this stat is about Cousins no one will care. If it was Mahomes or Allen or Hurts, people would be raving.
 
Guys missed like one game in 8 seasons. Has seven 4000 yard seasons. Has eight seasons of 25 plus tds. Been a solid NFL qb. The problem is he is 1-4 in the playoffs and has a stigma of big game let downs.
 
Guys missed like one game in 8 seasons. Has seven 4000 yard seasons. Has eight seasons of 25 plus tds. Been a solid NFL qb. The problem is he is 1-4 in the playoffs and has a stigma of big game let downs.

He’s been one of the very best FF QBs the past 3-5-8 years. No matter how you cut it he’s been very productive. But apparently nobody cares. I think I drafted him for $3/$200. One of the steals of the draft so far for me.
 
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Where will he go? Jefferson seems to be pulling the plug on his season so the vikings despite an easy schedule ahead will likely fall out of contention soon. I think Kirk will be traded this year as a rental. Where he goes depends on who gets hurt around the league. For instance if Purdy goes down to injury I don't think the 49ers would hesitate to bring in Cousins. They want the SB this year. Same with Philadelphia if Hurts goes down. By the end of the year Cousins may end up in a great situation.
 
Where will he go? Jefferson seems to be pulling the plug on his season so the vikings despite an easy schedule ahead will likely fall out of contention soon. I think Kirk will be traded this year as a rental. Where he goes depends on who gets hurt around the league. For instance if Purdy goes down to injury I don't think the 49ers would hesitate to bring in Cousins. They want the SB this year. Same with Philadelphia if Hurts goes down. By the end of the year Cousins may end up in a great situation.
Falcons? Good line, decent D, nice weapons.
 

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