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QB Kyler Murray, ARZ (1 Viewer)

What a disaster that contract is going to be for the Cardinals

The potential for this is why their next HC hire is beyond important...and why I can see them taking a big run at Payton...if they bring him in, he is your best bet to get Murray to where they hoped he would be when they took him #1 and now have given up that monster deal...if they hire an HC that turns out to be a dud it could be a complete disaster.

Chit-chat on Get Up this morning were "strong rumors" having Sean Payton going to LA Chargers.
 
What a disaster that contract is going to be for the Cardinals

The potential for this is why their next HC hire is beyond important...and why I can see them taking a big run at Payton...if they bring him in, he is your best bet to get Murray to where they hoped he would be when they took him #1 and now have given up that monster deal...if they hire an HC that turns out to be a dud it could be a complete disaster.

Chit-chat on Get Up this morning were "strong rumors" having Sean Payton going to LA Chargers.

That would probably be the best fit but if they win a playoff game or two will they can Staley.
 

Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell said he believes Kyler Murray's return could be "earlier than this midseason".​

Murray's recovery from a torn ACL suffered in Week 14 appears to be going well, as Bidwell believes there's a chance he could return earlier than expected. With a recovery expected to take between 6-8 months, Murray is likely to return to the field in some capacity by late summer or early fall. Bidwell also acknowledged that the team needs to "figure out" its quarterback room heading into 2023, with Colt McCoy, 36, also dealing with an unspecified injury. It wouldn't be surprising to see the Cardinals take a shot on a veteran quarterback this offseason to shore up a position that's more than questionable at this time.
SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
Feb 23, 2023, 9:27 AM ET
 
"Be a Man and Grow Up!"

What is stopping Arizona from trading Kyler Murray and using their #3 pick to reset the franchise and take a deep breath?
No market, really? Why did you give him almost $200M guaranteed when he was kicking and screaming?
Sounds like Arizona might suck for a long time
The 80 million dollar cap hit would probably be an issue.

Murray got no help from Kingsbury in 2022 who was greatly in over his head. Murray was a pro bowl level QB in 2020 and 2021. That's half his career so far. At worst he's a top-15 NFL QB. Throwing a rookie in there would be a really tough situation because of the complete lack of supporting talent, especially if Hopkins is gone.

That said, the contract they signed him too was premature and a bad move, no need to ever sign 1st round guys after year 3. Bengals, Chargers, and Vikings would be stupid to do it this offseason too. Lotta bad QB contracts out there, this one is probably in the middle of those. I'd rather have Murray on his deal than Wilson, Watson, Stafford, or Jones on theirs.
 
"Be a Man and Grow Up!"

What is stopping Arizona from trading Kyler Murray and using their #3 pick to reset the franchise and take a deep breath?
No market, really? Why did you give him almost $200M guaranteed when he was kicking and screaming?
Sounds like Arizona might suck for a long time
The 80 million dollar cap hit would probably be an issue.

Murray got no help from Kingsbury in 2022 who was greatly in over his head. Murray was a pro bowl level QB in 2020 and 2021. That's half his career so far. At worst he's a top-15 NFL QB. Throwing a rookie in there would be a really tough situation because of the complete lack of supporting talent, especially if Hopkins is gone.

That said, the contract they signed him too was premature and a bad move, no need to ever sign 1st round guys after year 3. Bengals, Chargers, and Vikings would be stupid to do it this offseason too. Lotta bad QB contracts out there, this one is probably in the middle of those. I'd rather have Murray on his deal than Wilson, Watson, Stafford, or Jones on theirs.
The Middle you say?
I would say after Watson it easily is the worst
And it is being used as somewhat the bottom line that most QBs will take right now if teams don't want to supersede the Deshaun Watson deal.
I'm talking Burrow-Hurts-Herbert, they are looking at Murray and Watson as more than outliers right now. That is the market.
I bet a lot of AZ Cards fans would love to part with Murray for multiple 1st Rd picks if they could get it and chart a new course including #3 overall this year.
Just my .02 Trav, thanks for the post
 
not saying Murray is great, but a 25 year old qb with a qb1 overall fantasy finish under his belt is treated like he's garbage
-Also of note I'm strictly talking NFL, the regular fan base, the media, not the FF angle or how many points I'm getting with Murray as my QB, that's just not my focus this time of year, I start formulating that after free agency, the Draft, more cuts, etc..

But I understand what you're saying.
 
not saying Murray is great, but a 25 year old qb with a qb1 overall fantasy finish under his belt is treated like he's garbage

It's eye opening to me that a current a former teammate called him out publicly. His body language is awful. You got that clause he had wrote in his contract. When Budda Baker got hauled away with on a stretcher in 2021 you can see a video of the entire team coming onto the field to check on him. It's like "Were is Waldo" looking for Kyler but you won't find him, a horrible look for a team leader.

To me a lot of smoke and things I see with my eye's that while Murray has some individual talent he's not someone I'd want to invest in leading my team.
 

Cardinals coach Jonathan Gannon would not put a timeline on a return for Kyler Murray (ACL).

"Because you're always wrong when you do that. So, whenever he's ready to play, he'll play," Gannon said. While there has been plenty of optimism offered by ownership and the coaching staff about his rehab, the timing of Murray's ACL tear and meniscus repair -- as well as a lack of a firm timetable -- continues to point towards him not being ready for the start of the 2023 season. Arizona will enter the 2023 offseason with Colt McCoy and David Blough as their quarterbacks.
SOURCE: Josh Weinfuss on Twitter
Mar 28, 2023 at 1:11 PM ET
 
not saying Murray is great, but a 25 year old qb with a qb1 overall fantasy finish under his belt is treated like he's garbage
it proves that there is a reason ff has the word fantasy in it. you can be garbage in real football and put up ff points and vice versa.

the list is long.
 

Cardinals QB Kyler Murray (knee) has been cleared to resume workouts.​

This is the first update on Murray, who is 13 weeks removed from January surgery. The Cardinals haven't put a timetable on Murray but getting cleared for rehab work this quickly is a good sign. Murray is unlikely to be back for Week 1 but the Cardinals are optimistic he can return before midseason. The Cardinals re-signed QB David Blough and are expected to let Blough compete with Colt McCoy for the No. 2 role behind Murray. McCoy is the favorite to open the year as the Cardinals' starter.
SOURCE: Kyler Murray on Instagram
Apr 7, 2023, 6:46 PM ET
 

I posted the same story in the Lamar Jackson thread, seemed like it mattered since he can't get a phone call from an NFL GM yet 6 different teams wanted to know if Murray was available
 

I posted the same story in the Lamar Jackson thread, seemed like it mattered since he can't get a phone call from an NFL GM yet 6 different teams wanted to know if Murray was available

I believe those 6 teams want the #3 not Murray.
 

I posted the same story in the Lamar Jackson thread, seemed like it mattered since he can't get a phone call from an NFL GM yet 6 different teams wanted to know if Murray was available

They don't want Murray.
 
Kyler is an incredible talent. I wonder if he regrets not choosing baseball? Sports will beat you down if you come to work every day for a team that loses more than wins. At any level. Man, if he came to WAS I'd be ecstatic.
 
Kyler is an incredible talent. I wonder if he regrets not choosing baseball? Sports will beat you down if you come to work every day for a team that loses more than wins. At any level. Man, if he came to WAS I'd be ecstatic.
The QB is a big part of a team winning or not.
And Kyler doesn’t exactly jump off the screen as a guy that’s going to galvanize the troops when things get hairy.

Quite the opposite, actually. I think he has some deficiencies as a player that are only magnified by his seemingly nonchalant attitude on and off the field.
 
Mildly amusing conversation on FB - is Kyler a bust?

I say no or it’s too early to call him that. Others disagree. I figure a better discussion could be had here.
 
Kyler is an incredible talent. I wonder if he regrets not choosing baseball? Sports will beat you down if you come to work every day for a team that loses more than wins. At any level. Man, if he came to WAS I'd be ecstatic.
The QB is a big part of a team winning or not.
And Kyler doesn’t exactly jump off the screen as a guy that’s going to galvanize the troops when things get hairy.

Quite the opposite, actually. I think he has some deficiencies as a player that are only magnified by his seemingly nonchalant attitude on and off the field.
I think I agree with this - sort of like Rodgers without the arm.
 
Kyler is an incredible talent. I wonder if he regrets not choosing baseball? Sports will beat you down if you come to work every day for a team that loses more than wins. At any level. Man, if he came to WAS I'd be ecstatic.
The QB is a big part of a team winning or not.
And Kyler doesn’t exactly jump off the screen as a guy that’s going to galvanize the troops when things get hairy.

Quite the opposite, actually. I think he has some deficiencies as a player that are only magnified by his seemingly nonchalant attitude on and off the field.
I think I agree with this - sort of like Rodgers without the arm.
But offset by his Call of Duty skills.
 
Blake Allen Murphy
@blakemurphy7
Here's an interesting story on Keim, from someone in Trent Sherfield who played for him, on how the GM essentially had roster control over the coaches: >>>The Trent Sherfield Prophecy

...He points to Year 2. The 2019 season with the Arizona Cardinals. That spring, Sherfield trained 1-on-1 with one of the best receiver coaches ever in Jerry Sullivan, “a legend,” who dissected the position down to a science. Releases. Breaks. Footwork. Then, Arizona drafted three wide receivers — Andy Isabella (62nd overall), Hakeem Butler (103rd) and KeeSean Johnson (174th) — to grow with first overall pick Kyler Murray. And Sherfield accepted the challenge. He told himself “let the best man win,” applied the new technique to the practice field, and objectively dominated. That summer, Sherfield outplayed them all.

“I can feel my game just skyrocketing,” he says. “It’s just going really, really well. I had one of the best training camps of my life. I was playing lights out.”

In the preseason, he caught touchdowns in back-to-back games. The first, he roasted the corner for an over-the-shoulder, toe-tapping beaut straight out of a textbook. The second, he slipped past two Raiders DBs for a 40-yard score.

Arizona’s season opener vs. Detroit closed in and the team’s wide receivers coach was brutally honest. “You should be starting,” Sherfield remembers him saying. “But the GM doesn’t want to see you play. They want to see the drafted guys play.” Steve Keim, the head boss, had stepped in. Nothing that transpired from March to September mattered because Sherfield was the UDFA scrub...

 
Blake Allen Murphy
@blakemurphy7
Here's an interesting story on Keim, from someone in Trent Sherfield who played for him, on how the GM essentially had roster control over the coaches: >>>The Trent Sherfield Prophecy

...He points to Year 2. The 2019 season with the Arizona Cardinals. That spring, Sherfield trained 1-on-1 with one of the best receiver coaches ever in Jerry Sullivan, “a legend,” who dissected the position down to a science. Releases. Breaks. Footwork. Then, Arizona drafted three wide receivers — Andy Isabella (62nd overall), Hakeem Butler (103rd) and KeeSean Johnson (174th) — to grow with first overall pick Kyler Murray. And Sherfield accepted the challenge. He told himself “let the best man win,” applied the new technique to the practice field, and objectively dominated. That summer, Sherfield outplayed them all.

“I can feel my game just skyrocketing,” he says. “It’s just going really, really well. I had one of the best training camps of my life. I was playing lights out.”

In the preseason, he caught touchdowns in back-to-back games. The first, he roasted the corner for an over-the-shoulder, toe-tapping beaut straight out of a textbook. The second, he slipped past two Raiders DBs for a 40-yard score.

Arizona’s season opener vs. Detroit closed in and the team’s wide receivers coach was brutally honest. “You should be starting,” Sherfield remembers him saying. “But the GM doesn’t want to see you play. They want to see the drafted guys play.” Steve Keim, the head boss, had stepped in. Nothing that transpired from March to September mattered because Sherfield was the UDFA scrub...


If you right click you can "paste without formatting". Sometimes it is difficult to read your posts with all of the random bolded words.
 
Pure baseless speculation, so throwaway if it doesn't jive with you. But I've shared the sentiments expressed by some of the other posters here about just not feeling great about Murray's mentality/leadership/side line and locker room presence/etc. And then I remember reading an article last year about looking at some of that through the lens of how Murray came up a dual sport athlete; and really until winning the Heisman his jr. year, he was planning on playing in MLB rather than the NFL. He was drafted very high by the Oakland As (7th overall?) And fun fact, they still actually retain his rights as a pro baseball player. But if you ever played baseball/follow the "sport psychology" angle of athletes in that sport vs. football; there are some stark differences. And after reading that article and really thinking on it, it made a lot of great points. There are exceptions to every rule, but just what I've seen and what's been reported, it's interesting to think coming up more baseball might have had an impact on his ego, mentality, reactions to criticism, how he interacts with coaches/teammates, how he views time off/personal time, how he is/views what a leader is/should be. It also begs the question, if these dynamics do hold some weight and apply to Murray, how easy is it to restructure those ways of thinking and working? Esp. with a player who is the already the face of the organization? I wonder if he even still considers MLB an option being only 25 years old.

All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.

Arizona's entire war room (GM, HC, others) went to Norman, OK last weekend for the unveiling of a new Kyler Murray statue. Pick 3 is for sale. Rightly or wrongly, they are firmly on Team Kyler and trying to foster a supportive environment. It is his team and they're not looking elsewhere anytime soon.
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.
Doesn’t he have 160MM guaranteed?

Tough to move on from that.
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.
Doesn’t he have 160MM guaranteed?

Tough to move on from that.
I had a whole thing typed up, but:

If the Cards have the #1 pick next year, are you sure they will not take a QB?
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.
Doesn’t he have 160MM guaranteed?

Tough to move on from that.
I had a whole thing typed up, but:

If the Cards have the #1 pick next year, are you sure they will not take a QB?
According to overthecap.com, ARI would have dead money of $96.5 million and lose $80.5 million if they get rid of him this year. If they get rid of him next year, it would be $81.5 million dead money and they lose $29.6 million. If they get rid of him in 2025 he would have a dead money hit of $33 million and they would save $12.4 million, so 2025 is the earliest they can get rid of him, get some savings, and not have an untenable cap hit. That doesn't mean they won't take a QB next year if they have #1, but they will still be stuck with Murray for at least another year after that.
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.
Doesn’t he have 160MM guaranteed?

Tough to move on from that.
I had a whole thing typed up, but:

If the Cards have the #1 pick next year, are you sure they will not take a QB?
Nothing is certain in life, but it woild be a little surprising.
 
According to overthecap.com, ARI would have dead money of $96.5 million and lose $80.5 million if they get rid of him this year. If they get rid of him next year, it would be $81.5 million dead money and they lose $29.6 million. If they get rid of him in 2025 he would have a dead money hit of $33 million and they would save $12.4 million, so 2025 is the earliest they can get rid of him, get some savings, and not have an untenable cap hit. That doesn't mean they won't take a QB next year if they have #1, but they will still be stuck with Murray for at least another year after that.
That's what I thought about Carson Wentz.

80 mill in dead cap can be 40 mill in dead cap in two years, not ideal, but not impossible. And if either one of these QBs are even close to what the chatter is, the vocal fans will want the hot new thing. Unless Kyler kills it this year, and puts himself in Jalen Hurts territory. With one of the worst rosters in the league.
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.
Doesn’t he have 160MM guaranteed?

Tough to move on from that.
I had a whole thing typed up, but:

If the Cards have the #1 pick next year, are you sure they will not take a QB?
According to overthecap.com, ARI would have dead money of $96.5 million and lose $80.5 million if they get rid of him this year. If they get rid of him next year, it would be $81.5 million dead money and they lose $29.6 million. If they get rid of him in 2025 he would have a dead money hit of $33 million and they would save $12.4 million, so 2025 is the earliest they can get rid of him, get some savings, and not have an untenable cap hit. That doesn't mean they won't take a QB next year if they have #1, but they will still be stuck with Murray for at least another year after that.
The way I'm reading it, they can absolutely get rid of him after 2023 as long as its just not a pre-June 1st cut. If he's post June 1st, or traded, they would save money.
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.
Doesn’t he have 160MM guaranteed?

Tough to move on from that.
I had a whole thing typed up, but:

If the Cards have the #1 pick next year, are you sure they will not take a QB?
According to overthecap.com, ARI would have dead money of $96.5 million and lose $80.5 million if they get rid of him this year. If they get rid of him next year, it would be $81.5 million dead money and they lose $29.6 million. If they get rid of him in 2025 he would have a dead money hit of $33 million and they would save $12.4 million, so 2025 is the earliest they can get rid of him, get some savings, and not have an untenable cap hit. That doesn't mean they won't take a QB next year if they have #1, but they will still be stuck with Murray for at least another year after that.
The way I'm reading it, they can absolutely get rid of him after 2023 as long as its just not a pre-June 1st cut. If he's post June 1st, or traded, they would save money.
Yes, it looks like they can save about $3 million if they make him a post June 1 cut in 2024. That would shift about $33 million in dead money to 2025. Either way, they can draft a QB next year if they want and if Murray is really that bad they want to cut him, they can, but it would be painful for a couple of years after that considering Murray would probably have the biggest cap hit for them for the 2 years after he's not even on the roster anymore.
 
All that said, can't ignore that Murray hasn't had the most structure and support from the staff in Arizona. Hard to believe he'd be having as many issues (at least aired publicly) with a stronger and more consistent coaching staff bringing him along. Hope things turn around there because their games are much more fun to watch when he's on the field and performing at a high level.
He would make an interesting reclamation project, if AZ were to move on.
Doesn’t he have 160MM guaranteed?

Tough to move on from that.
I had a whole thing typed up, but:

If the Cards have the #1 pick next year, are you sure they will not take a QB?
According to overthecap.com, ARI would have dead money of $96.5 million and lose $80.5 million if they get rid of him this year. If they get rid of him next year, it would be $81.5 million dead money and they lose $29.6 million. If they get rid of him in 2025 he would have a dead money hit of $33 million and they would save $12.4 million, so 2025 is the earliest they can get rid of him, get some savings, and not have an untenable cap hit. That doesn't mean they won't take a QB next year if they have #1, but they will still be stuck with Murray for at least another year after that.
The way I'm reading it, they can absolutely get rid of him after 2023 as long as its just not a pre-June 1st cut. If he's post June 1st, or traded, they would save money.
Yes, it looks like they can save about $3 million if they make him a post June 1 cut in 2024. That would shift about $33 million in dead money to 2025. Either way, they can draft a QB next year if they want and if Murray is really that bad they want to cut him, they can, but it would be painful for a couple of years after that considering Murray would probably have the biggest cap hit for them for the 2 years after he's not even on the roster anymore.
One write up I recently read (can’t find the article dang it) speculated that Hopkins would be dealt, the Cards would move down, and Murray could miss the 2023 season - as AZ wouldn’t be in a huge hurry to rush him back from his ACL, especially if they start 0-5 or 1-6 or something. Basically a lost season for RL & FF.

Not sure what sort of wrench that would throw into the works. Often injuries complicate contracts. Not sure if that’s the case here.
 
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Cardinals HC Jonathan Gannon said Kyler Murray made "good progression" last week as he recovers from ACL surgery.​

Murray was cleared to resume workouts earlier this month and is presumably on the road back. While he's likely months away from being cleared for any kind of contact, Gannon said Murray is "moving along" and that he's excited about where Murray is at in his recovery. Murray is unlikely to be ready for Week 1, but the Cardinals haven't ruled out a return before midseason. We'll likely no more about Murray's recovery as the offseason progresses, and have a better sense of his return near training camp.
SOURCE: Josh Weinfuss on Twitter
Apr 26, 2023, 4:00 PM ET
 
If he is being sold as a 2nd rounder. BUY, BUY, BUY. This could be a league winner this playoffs and/or the next several years.
 

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