I don't think he should even have to apologize. Let alone be punished in any way.
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ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
This is an excellent point.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Turns out the fan was ejected, and has been banned from all NFL stadiums. Good. https://www.si.com/nfl/bills-fan-who-shoved-ravens-players-banned-from-all-nfl-stadiums
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Good.
Its really remarkable the difference Todd Monken has made to Lamar's career. There was a time a couple years ago where if Lamar only ran for 13 yards, the Ravens likely lost, not won by 3+ scores.
The_Man
Footballguy
Following yesterday's games, Lamar has now inched past Aaron Rodgers to hold the NFL's career passer rating record (they are both at 102.6)
He already owns the NFL record for career rushing yards by a QB
The best passing QB and the best running QB of all time, seems like that is a good player
He already owns the NFL record for career rushing yards by a QB
The best passing QB and the best running QB of all time, seems like that is a good player
Chaka
Footballguy
Yeah, but think about how amazing he would be if he switched positions to WR.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I know you don't actually think he's the best passing QB of all time (considering Jimmy G, Deshaun Watson and Tua are all currently top 10 all-time, all ahead of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning), but it is impressive what a great passer he has become. Sure, his legs scaring defenses and keeping them honest help a lot, as does having King Henry, but he has evolved into an excellent passing quarterback.
Another thing about Lamar, it certainly looks like Zay Flowers is making that year 3 leap, which has coincided with the offense also having a more downfield approach to passing. As Flowers being the safety net, and not Andrews, increases the explosiveness of the offense, while also giving more space for other guys (see Walker/Hopkins TDs) and will likely also lead to some big Lamar runs soon enough.
ETA: They also will be getting Likely back soon. Another explosive weapon.
ETA: They also will be getting Likely back soon. Another explosive weapon.
The_Man
Footballguy
I know you don't actually think he's the best passing QB of all time (considering Jimmy G, Deshaun Watson and Tua are all currently top 10 all-time, all ahead of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning), but it is impressive what a great passer he has become. Sure, his legs scaring defenses and keeping them honest help a lot, as does having King Henry, but he has evolved into an excellent passing quarterback.
He was 9 of 12 for 150 yards and 3 TDs in the second half yesterday. The Offensive Coordinator has given him the keys to the entire offense at this point and he is entering a new phase of his career - even after posting the 4th-highest single season passer rating of all time last year
Ravens need to average 35 points per game from here on out to break the single-season scoring record (set in 16 games by the 2013 Broncos). I think they have a shot
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
They still have some really good defenses on their schedule (Minnesota, KC, Rams, Packers, Browns again), so we'll see.I know you don't actually think he's the best passing QB of all time (considering Jimmy G, Deshaun Watson and Tua are all currently top 10 all-time, all ahead of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning), but it is impressive what a great passer he has become. Sure, his legs scaring defenses and keeping them honest help a lot, as does having King Henry, but he has evolved into an excellent passing quarterback.
He was 9 of 12 for 150 yards and 3 TDs in the second half yesterday. The Offensive Coordinator has given him the keys to the entire offense at this point and he is entering a new phase of his career - even after posting the 4th-highest single season passer rating of all time last year
Ravens need to average 35 points per game from here on out to break the single-season scoring record (set in 16 games by the 2013 Broncos). I think they have a shot
I really do mean this in the nicest way possible, but I would hope the focus would not be on regular season records, but trying to get over the postseason hump. The lack of postseason success in the Harbaugh/Lamar era is glaring, and I feel like this should be the make or break year for Harbaugh. They need to get to a Super Bowl now, this year, or else a change is needed.
Jordan Schultz
#Ravens QB Lamar Jackson in his last 20 games:
367/543
Just absurd!
The_Man
Footballguy
I said yesterday in the Ravens thread that Lamar and this team literally can't play a meaningful game before the Divisional Round of the playoffs this year. It's all exhibition until then, if anything I'd rather not see Lamar win a 3rd MVP if he's going to flame out in the playoffs againThey still have some really good defenses on their schedule (Minnesota, KC, Rams, Packers, Browns again), so we'll see.I know you don't actually think he's the best passing QB of all time (considering Jimmy G, Deshaun Watson and Tua are all currently top 10 all-time, all ahead of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning), but it is impressive what a great passer he has become. Sure, his legs scaring defenses and keeping them honest help a lot, as does having King Henry, but he has evolved into an excellent passing quarterback.
He was 9 of 12 for 150 yards and 3 TDs in the second half yesterday. The Offensive Coordinator has given him the keys to the entire offense at this point and he is entering a new phase of his career - even after posting the 4th-highest single season passer rating of all time last year
Ravens need to average 35 points per game from here on out to break the single-season scoring record (set in 16 games by the 2013 Broncos). I think they have a shot
I really do mean this in the nicest way possible, but I would hope the focus would not be on regular season records, but trying to get over the postseason hump. The lack of postseason success in the Harbaugh/Lamar era is glaring, and I feel like this should be the make or break year for Harbaugh. They need to get to a Super Bowl now, this year, or else a change is needed.
That being said, there really isn't anything much I can do except have fun watching one of the 3 or 4 most entertaining players of my lifetime until those meaningful games roll around to determine my mental health and outlook on life
Since 2010 there have been 8 times a QB has a 9-0 TD/INT ratio (or better) through 3 games. Lamar Jackson this season is the only one who didn't start 3-0.
By the way, the other names on the list are Mahomes (3 times) Rodgers (twice) Brady and Peyton Manning.
I know pace numbers are kinda whatever through 3 games, but Lamar's current pace is:
4092-51-0 passing
668-6 rushing
He's currently averaging 9.6 YPA passing and 7.9 YPC rushing.
By the way, the other names on the list are Mahomes (3 times) Rodgers (twice) Brady and Peyton Manning.
I know pace numbers are kinda whatever through 3 games, but Lamar's current pace is:
4092-51-0 passing
668-6 rushing
He's currently averaging 9.6 YPA passing and 7.9 YPC rushing.
Chaka
Footballguy
It's a shame Harbaugh is still too old school to maximize this team.
I know they tried that fourth down play near the goal but, it seems clear the Ravens don't have the kind of mentality that Campbell has instilled in the Lions over the past few seasons. The Lions go out on fourth downs knowing for a fact that they will take whatever yardage they need, most other teams hope they can get the yardage they need. Kudos to the Lions and Campbell.
Lamar will still be great year-in-year-out but, I question if Harbaugh can make the right coaching decisions in crunch time or if he'll fall back on the "This is the way we played football back in my day and it still works." mentality.
I know they tried that fourth down play near the goal but, it seems clear the Ravens don't have the kind of mentality that Campbell has instilled in the Lions over the past few seasons. The Lions go out on fourth downs knowing for a fact that they will take whatever yardage they need, most other teams hope they can get the yardage they need. Kudos to the Lions and Campbell.
Lamar will still be great year-in-year-out but, I question if Harbaugh can make the right coaching decisions in crunch time or if he'll fall back on the "This is the way we played football back in my day and it still works." mentality.
In fairness to Harbaugh, he probably didn't expect his HOF RB to fumble 1 and arguably 2 games away.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
What's funny is that he threw that ball early in the second half that should have been an easy pick, but the Lions defender simply dropped it. I say this because Lamar diehards love to point out that seemingly every INT he throws was someone else's fault (receiver ran the wrong route, receiver let the ball bounce off his hands, etc.), but they never talk about the would-be INTs that the defense drops.
Chaka
Footballguy
When do people even talk about Lamar & INTs, let alone blaming the WRs for the rare INT Lamar throws?
It's digging kind of deep to point to one pass in one game as some sort of indicator Lamar isn't great at limiting INTs.
massraider
Footballguy
Last year.
Don't you remember all the excuse making as Lamar threw 41 TDs and 4 INT?
sportsphysio
Footballguy
I’ve never had Lamar on any of my teams until this year, so maybe he has always done this…but it seems that instead of just tucking the ball and run, he is pausing a lot when he gets near the LOS and keeps checking over his shoulders for an incoming lineman. That was most noticeable last game against Detroit…late in the game he only had Anzalone in front of him and nothing but wide open space in every direction around him. He could have easily cruised past him, but paused and was checking over his shoulders. I feel like in the past he would just take off and not look back.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I'd have to dig back several years in this thread, but it was pretty commonplace for several Lamar fans to always blame everyone else but Lamar for his INTs. He had two ugly turnovers today, but I am sure they were both someone else's fault.
Sounds like just a strain, and that he might have played through it if the game was close. Despite being 1-3 they are far from being in big trouble in a division where 9 wins could take it.
Not sure there is any real evidence that he could have gone back in the game. Odd. I really didn't see anything in the play prior to when he came out.
If it is any kind of strain, I'd think they hold him out until after the bye.
That said, this team is in total disarray. The defense is horrendous and now even more riddled with injuries. If Lamar is healthy, they're going to need him. The game scripts would be more favorable for Lamar (and not so for D. Henry).
He didn't seem hurt too badly, it kinda seemed like more of a white flag thing than anything to me. Which I'm honestly fine with, I recall arguing that Washington should have done the same thing in week 2, but didn't and then Daniels (and Ekeler) got hurt.
He didn't go in the medical tent, or into the locker room, he wasn't being checked by trainers, he just came out. Until I hear anything to suggest otherwise, I'm expecting him to start this week.
Worth noting, Lamar was awful in this game, he and Monken had their worst game in the 2 years and 4 games they've been together. Just looked confused after the 1st drive, and watching it back this morning, it wasn't on the OL. Lamar had time, guys were open, it was like a self-fulfilling prophecy where he was expecting things to go wrong so then they did. Really indecisive, and Monken didn't help by basically just running the same stuff over and over. They also gave up on Henry and the run game WAY too quickly.
I'd just burn the tape and move on from this one. Ravens are in maybe the worst division in the NFL. 1-3 is not a death sentence at all. 9 wins can take this division. Browns have no offense, Bengals have no defense (and a very questionable offense) and Steelers are mediocre on both sides and are nowhere near as good as their 3-1 record that consists of barely beating the Jets, the Patriots, and a Vikings team that ran out of OL. Ravens defense is a major issue right now, but this is still a top-5 offense easily.
Assuming Lamar is ok-ish (like even 60% healthy) I think you have to start him. You need to beat Houston. That's must win. Home against a 1-3 team. Cooper Rush is awful (Mike McCarthy deserves a medal for getting anything out of him) there isn't a bigger starter to backup downgrade in the NFL.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The sideline reporter said [paraphrasing] that if the game was closer he could have gone back in, indicating this was more a coaches decision than a long-term thing.
Dizzy
Footballguy
If true, that's more troubling than if he was really injured.
With the aspirations these teams have, that was basically a play-off game with tiebreak/homefield implications for the post season.
You're basically saying Jackson was "benched" based on performance? Wow! Could be a noisy year for the Ravens if they can't pull it together.
I don't see how sitting a player due to the game being out of hand is troubling. More teams should do it. The Commanders absolutely should have done it in week 2 for instance. Chris Godwin last year, was lost for the season on a completely meaningless series.
Could argue game script, but Derrick Henry played only one snap after Lamar left, and it was a 3rd and 1 the next series, that they brought him back in for.
ETA: It was 30-13 at the end of the 3rd, and KC hadn't punted the entire game. The only "stop" the Ravens had, was Butker missing a 56 yard FG before halftime.
Insein
Footballguy
Not risking injury to your teams best player when the game is out of hand is a good thing. Especially in week 4. If this was week 14 and the ravens absolutely needed a win, he'd be in there.
From what it sounds like though, Harbaugh said this was a legit injury and he would not have gone back in regardless. Have to check on his status for week 5 now.
Dizzy
Footballguy
17-pt lead with a full QTR to play? That's "outta hand" now?
Ravens should trade for Baker Mayfield and get back to winning games.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
The Bills were down by 15 to the Ravens in Week 1 with 5 minutes left and won the game.
The idea that the Ravens being down by 17 in the 3rd quarter is insurmountable is wild. If only they had an MVP QB...
With the multiple injuries already incurred during the game, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, there was no coming back from a 17pt deficit to be had. The team as a whole is a mess right now and Lamar is a part of that mess but he is also the biggest part of the solution. Something is off with the Ravens and it may well be a DOA season for them.
Footballdaz
Footballguy
He gave up! He quit on team. He wasn't hurt. Don't fool yourself.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I think his injury is worse than they’re letting on - this was an excuse someone gave to avoid revealing more details, but it ended up sounding idiotic.
I’d be willing to bet LJax miss at least 1 game.
I dunno, I have it on good authority Lamar is a quitter.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Source?
Insein
Footballguy
With the defense in the state that it was in, it was insurmountable. It was 27-10. Lamar drive and got them 3. Then the defense let up another 3 before he got back on the field. That's when they could see it was pointless. Ultimately, they were down 37-13 at that point because they knew the defense would let up more points. If they thought Lamar on a gimpy leg could score 25 more points in 15 mins, they'd have kept him in there.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Despite the slander he’s getting in here, LJax is a competitor. I’ve seen him play through stuff in the past. IMO if he coulda been out there, he woulda been out there.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
With a Week 7 bye...makes almost too much sense that we wouldn't see him until Week 8 the earliest.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Plus they lost Roquan Smith, and Namdi was put on season ending IR. I believe they also lost one of their cornerbacks to i and their secondary was already banged up. At 1-3, I’m not sure what the point of risking your franchise quarterback’s health is given the record and number of injuries.
I don't get that logic at all. They aren't gonna throw in the towel in THIS division, where 9-8 likely wins the division. Houston is very beatable with all the defensive injuries, if Lamar is playing. Rams is probably a loss. But 2-4 is a lot better than 1-5. 2-4 might be 2nd place.
Insein
Footballguy
Steelers have 3 wins already and should get to 10 or 11 wins if they beat the teams they'll be favored against on their schedule. Ravens are behind the 8 ball even if they sweep the Steelers.
If he can go, he's playing.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This part I agree with.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m just not sure if they run out LJax if he’s gimpy. If as you say they still have a good shot at making the playoffs (which after seeing their MASH unit defense I’m not convinced of) then they might want to make sure he’s fully healthy.
Imagine running him out there and having him get more hurt resulting in a 4-6 week injury. Would that be worth it for a possible W against HOU?
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