QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (4 Viewers)

[kyoun1e]

I guess if there's something promising here is that Baltimore has already announced several injury situations and there hasn't been a mention of Lamar getting an MRI.

I have a feeling Jackson is banged up, but there is a part of me wondering if something fishy is going on here.

 

[travdogg]

Rotoworld reporting that Harbaugh was quoted as saying there was "No Way" he could go back in because of the nature of the injury.

Have a feeling that thinking he isn't going to miss time is wishful thinking.

With a Week 7 bye...makes almost too much sense that we wouldn't see him until Week 8 the earliest.

Plus they lost Roquan Smith, and Namdi was put on season ending IR. I believe they also lost one of their cornerbacks to i and their secondary was already banged up. At 1-3, I’m not sure what the point of risking your franchise quarterback’s health is given the record and number of injuries.

I don't get that logic at all. They aren't gonna throw in the towel in THIS division, where 9-8 likely wins the division. Houston is very beatable with all the defensive injuries, if Lamar is playing. Rams is probably a loss. But 2-4 is a lot better than 1-5. 2-4 might be 2nd place.

I’m just not sure if they run out LJax if he’s gimpy. If as you say they still have a good shot at making the playoffs (which after seeing their MASH unit defense I’m not convinced of) then they might want to make sure he’s fully healthy.

Imagine running him out there and having him get more hurt resulting in a 4-6 week injury. Would that be worth it for a possible W against HOU?

Steelers are about the weakest 3-1 team in memory. They barely beat 3 pretty bad teams (Vikings aren't bad when healthy, but they are hurt bad right now) and lost to the 1 playoff caliber team they played. The Ravens have lost to arguably 3 of the 4 best teams in the NFL and barely to 2 of them. Even with all the injuries, I don't know that the Ravens D is as bad as they've looked. Buffalo and Detroit make almost all defenses look bad, and KC might have looked like this all along had Worthy not gone down a minute into the opener.

I think the Ravens could absolutely sweep the Steelers. After the bye the Steelers have a stretch where they could lose a bunch of games in a row. I see them as an 8-9 team, and that's with the 3-1 start. Ravens have the Rams in week 6 and then could potentially win out. But it'll be a lot tougher if they are 1-5. Basically, the Ravens had a very front loaded schedule, the Steelers have a very back loaded schedule.

I guess the question would come down to how likely the injury is to get worse, or effect play? I know I'd take pocket-only Lamar over Cooper Rush by a mile. But yeah, if its something likely to get worse than I don't know. I will say, even if they start 1-5, I wouldn't rule them out. They could still easily go 6-0 in the division. They don't play the Steelers until December, so they'd be healthy (at least more than now) by then.

 

[kyoun1e]

For what it's worth Dr. Jesse Morse and Dr. Chao both think this is more of a tweak or a mild strain.

 

[Ray_T]

Lamar Jackson hurts hamstring in loss to Chiefs as injuries mount for reeling Ravens

Sounds like just a strain, and that he might have played through it if the game was close. Despite being 1-3 they are far from being in big trouble in a division where 9 wins could take it.

Not sure there is any real evidence that he could have gone back in the game. Odd. I really didn't see anything in the play prior to when he came out.

If it is any kind of strain, I'd think they hold him out until after the bye.

That said, this team is in total disarray. The defense is horrendous and now even more riddled with injuries. If Lamar is healthy, they're going to need him. The game scripts would be more favorable for Lamar (and not so for D. Henry).

He didn't seem hurt too badly, it kinda seemed like more of a white flag thing than anything to me. Which I'm honestly fine with, I recall arguing that Washington should have done the same thing in week 2, but didn't and then Daniels (and Ekeler) got hurt.

He didn't go in the medical tent, or into the locker room, he wasn't being checked by trainers, he just came out. Until I hear anything to suggest otherwise, I'm expecting him to start this week.

Worth noting, Lamar was awful in this game, he and Monken had their worst game in the 2 years and 4 games they've been together. Just looked confused after the 1st drive, and watching it back this morning, it wasn't on the OL. Lamar had time, guys were open, it was like a self-fulfilling prophecy where he was expecting things to go wrong so then they did. Really indecisive, and Monken didn't help by basically just running the same stuff over and over. They also gave up on Henry and the run game WAY too quickly.

I'd just burn the tape and move on from this one. Ravens are in maybe the worst division in the NFL. 1-3 is not a death sentence at all. 9 wins can take this division. Browns have no offense, Bengals have no defense (and a very questionable offense) and Steelers are mediocre on both sides and are nowhere near as good as their 3-1 record that consists of barely beating the Jets, the Patriots, and a Vikings team that ran out of OL. Ravens defense is a major issue right now, but this is still a top-5 offense easily.

Assuming Lamar is ok-ish (like even 60% healthy) I think you have to start him. You need to beat Houston. That's must win. Home against a 1-3 team. Cooper Rush is awful (Mike McCarthy deserves a medal for getting anything out of him) there isn't a bigger starter to backup downgrade in the NFL.

The sideline reporter said [paraphrasing] that if the game was closer he could have gone back in, indicating this was more a coaches decision than a long-term thing.

If true, that's more troubling than if he was really injured.

With the aspirations these teams have, that was basically a play-off game with tiebreak/homefield implications for the post season.

You're basically saying Jackson was "benched" based on performance? Wow! Could be a noisy year for the Ravens if they can't pull it together.

I don't see how sitting a player due to the game being out of hand is troubling. More teams should do it. The Commanders absolutely should have done it in week 2 for instance. Chris Godwin last year, was lost for the season on a completely meaningless series.

Could argue game script, but Derrick Henry played only one snap after Lamar left, and it was a 3rd and 1 the next series, that they brought him back in for.

ETA: It was 30-13 at the end of the 3rd, and KC hadn't punted the entire game. The only "stop" the Ravens had, was Butker missing a 56 yard FG before halftime.

17-pt lead with a full QTR to play? That's "outta hand" now?

Ravens should trade for Baker Mayfield and get back to winning games.

The Bills were down by 15 to the Ravens in Week 1 with 5 minutes left and won the game.

The idea that the Ravens being down by 17 in the 3rd quarter is insurmountable is wild. If only they had an MVP QB...

I think its situational. coming back when your team is fully healthy is different than coming back when it is not.

also, the Ravens offense depends on the run game a lot more than the Bills. Clock stops on an incomplete pass. but not on a 2 yard run. so Buffalo is more ideally suited to that sort of a comeback.

even so, Buffalo needed a fumble from a guy who almost never fumbles to make that comeback win happen.

so we are not fully comparing apples to apples

 

[kface]

Lamar Jackson hurts hamstring in loss to Chiefs as injuries mount for reeling Ravens

Sounds like just a strain, and that he might have played through it if the game was close. Despite being 1-3 they are far from being in big trouble in a division where 9 wins could take it.

Not sure there is any real evidence that he could have gone back in the game. Odd. I really didn't see anything in the play prior to when he came out.

If it is any kind of strain, I'd think they hold him out until after the bye.

That said, this team is in total disarray. The defense is horrendous and now even more riddled with injuries. If Lamar is healthy, they're going to need him. The game scripts would be more favorable for Lamar (and not so for D. Henry).

He didn't seem hurt too badly, it kinda seemed like more of a white flag thing than anything to me. Which I'm honestly fine with, I recall arguing that Washington should have done the same thing in week 2, but didn't and then Daniels (and Ekeler) got hurt.

He didn't go in the medical tent, or into the locker room, he wasn't being checked by trainers, he just came out. Until I hear anything to suggest otherwise, I'm expecting him to start this week.

Worth noting, Lamar was awful in this game, he and Monken had their worst game in the 2 years and 4 games they've been together. Just looked confused after the 1st drive, and watching it back this morning, it wasn't on the OL. Lamar had time, guys were open, it was like a self-fulfilling prophecy where he was expecting things to go wrong so then they did. Really indecisive, and Monken didn't help by basically just running the same stuff over and over. They also gave up on Henry and the run game WAY too quickly.

I'd just burn the tape and move on from this one. Ravens are in maybe the worst division in the NFL. 1-3 is not a death sentence at all. 9 wins can take this division. Browns have no offense, Bengals have no defense (and a very questionable offense) and Steelers are mediocre on both sides and are nowhere near as good as their 3-1 record that consists of barely beating the Jets, the Patriots, and a Vikings team that ran out of OL. Ravens defense is a major issue right now, but this is still a top-5 offense easily.

Assuming Lamar is ok-ish (like even 60% healthy) I think you have to start him. You need to beat Houston. That's must win. Home against a 1-3 team. Cooper Rush is awful (Mike McCarthy deserves a medal for getting anything out of him) there isn't a bigger starter to backup downgrade in the NFL.

The sideline reporter said [paraphrasing] that if the game was closer he could have gone back in, indicating this was more a coaches decision than a long-term thing.

If true, that's more troubling than if he was really injured.

With the aspirations these teams have, that was basically a play-off game with tiebreak/homefield implications for the post season.

You're basically saying Jackson was "benched" based on performance? Wow! Could be a noisy year for the Ravens if they can't pull it together.

I don't see how sitting a player due to the game being out of hand is troubling. More teams should do it. The Commanders absolutely should have done it in week 2 for instance. Chris Godwin last year, was lost for the season on a completely meaningless series.

Could argue game script, but Derrick Henry played only one snap after Lamar left, and it was a 3rd and 1 the next series, that they brought him back in for.

ETA: It was 30-13 at the end of the 3rd, and KC hadn't punted the entire game. The only "stop" the Ravens had, was Butker missing a 56 yard FG before halftime.

17-pt lead with a full QTR to play? That's "outta hand" now?

Ravens should trade for Baker Mayfield and get back to winning games.

The Bills were down by 15 to the Ravens in Week 1 with 5 minutes left and won the game.

The idea that the Ravens being down by 17 in the 3rd quarter is insurmountable is wild. If only they had an MVP QB...

I think its situational. coming back when your team is fully healthy is different than coming back when it is not.

also, the Ravens offense depends on the run game a lot more than the Bills. Clock stops on an incomplete pass. but not on a 2 yard run. so Buffalo is more ideally suited to that sort of a comeback.

even so, Buffalo needed a fumble from a guy who almost never fumbles to make that comeback win happen.

so we are not fully comparing apples to apples

That's kind of a disingenuous excuse. So your argument for every team out there who is suffering injuries (and there is lots of them) is that if you are losing the second half don't bother trying because there is no point

And as the other poster pointed Lamar is a qb and was almost MVP last season. If you are saying he can't will his team back he should be nowhere near in an mvp conversation

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I guess the question would come down to how likely the injury is to get worse, or effect play? I know I'd take pocket-only Lamar over Cooper Rush by a mile. But yeah, if its something likely to get worse than I don't know. I will say, even if they start 1-5, I wouldn't rule them out. They could still easily go 6-0 in the division. They don't play the Steelers until December, so they'd be healthy (at least more than now) by then.

That’s my entire point though. HOU isn’t a divisional game, and if LJax has a minor tweak that turns into a major one, they’ll win the battle but lose the war.

As tough as HOU’s D is, they may not even win the battle.

And it’s one thing to tell LJax to go be a pocket passer. It’s another to put him behind center and expect his instincts to not kick in when the rush is coming and there’s an open lane.

Would be like telling a bird not to fly or a Mets team to not choke away their playoff chances. I’m just sayin - if you put LJax behind center, he’s going to try to evade the pass rush. It’s not like he can flip a switch and not play like he plays. I’m deeply skeptical of that.

So if (and it’s still a big if since we don’t know) he’s hurt enough for it to be a question about playing, it is absolutely for the best to rest him. To my understanding, hamstring injuries only get worse with exertion and only get better with rest. If he plays through it, he’s more likely to hurt it worse.

And that, IMO, is not worth 1 win, which isn’t even guaranteed if he starts. I agree that you could put cement blocks on his shoes and he’d still be better than Rush, but the last thing the Ravens need is for him to go down for 4-6 with a more significant hammy - especially in such a winnable division.

 

[kyoun1e]

Baltimore Sun indicating he is likely to miss 2-3 weeks. Saw headline. Pay wall there so no link.

Not sure if this is really news or just speculation.

 

[nirad3]

Baltimore Sun indicating he is likely to miss 2-3 weeks. Saw headline. Pay wall there so no link.

Not sure if this is really news or just speculation.

Wouldn't surprise me since it's the hammy.

 

[Mitchie]

Bye week 7 so seems likely out next two weeks and will prob shoot for week 8 return

 

[menobrown]

Baltimore Sun indicating he is likely to miss 2-3 weeks. Saw headline. Pay wall there so no link.

Not sure if this is really news or just speculation.

From that article:

Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson is likely to miss Sunday’s game against the visiting Houston Texans with a hamstring injury, two sources with direct knowledge of the situation confirmed to The Baltimore Sun on Tuesday. Given the nature of the injury, he also could be out for up to 2-3 weeks, one of the sources said.

Hamstring injuries typically keep a player out for 2-4 weeks, depending on the severity, though a source said that Jackson will try to see if he could return in time for Sunday.

 

[Jmiller21kg]

I think the Ravens could absolutely sweep the Steelers. After the bye the Steelers have a stretch where they could lose a bunch of games in a row. I see them as an 8-9 team, and that's with the 3-1 start.

Let’s not kid ourselves, we all know Mike Tomlin is going 9-8. Nothing more and nothing less. Even Steeler fans know this!

This is my first year having Lamar in fantasy, so apologies guys! Hopefully it isn’t a long term injury and he’s at least able to come back after bye as a worse case scenario. The league is better with Lamar playing

 

[kyoun1e]

Baltimore Sun indicating he is likely to miss 2-3 weeks. Saw headline. Pay wall there so no link.

Not sure if this is really news or just speculation.

From that article:

Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson is likely to miss Sunday’s game against the visiting Houston Texans with a hamstring injury, two sources with direct knowledge of the situation confirmed to The Baltimore Sun on Tuesday. Given the nature of the injury, he also could be out for up to 2-3 weeks, one of the sources said.

Hamstring injuries typically keep a player out for 2-4 weeks, depending on the severity, though a source said that Jackson will try to see if he could return in time for Sunday.

I guess if there's a silver lining this doesn't look to be an IR situation.

Crossing fingers.

They need victories. I've got to think if he can play he's going to.

 

[Insein]

I want him to get healed. A hobbled Lamar gets 15 points a week. I need MVP Lamar to get me 40-50 points some weeks. So heal up.

 

[travdogg]

I want him to get healed. A hobbled Lamar gets 15 points a week. I need MVP Lamar to get me 40-50 points some weeks. So heal up.

Agreed, now that we know the severity. Division is still very winnable even if they start 1-5.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Baltimore Sun indicating he is likely to miss 2-3 weeks. Saw headline. Pay wall there so no link.

Not sure if this is really news or just speculation.

https://x.com/UnderdogNFL/status/1973076060267847944?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

 

[fatness]

Baltimore Sun indicating he is likely to miss 2-3 weeks. Saw headline. Pay wall there so no link.

Not sure if this is really news or just speculation.

It's news. And here's the article archived: https://archive.ph/cdZXA

Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson is likely to miss Sunday’s game against the visiting Houston Texans with a hamstring injury, two sources with direct knowledge of the situation told The Baltimore Sun on Tuesday. Given the nature of the injury, he also could be out for up to 2-3 weeks, one of the sources said.

 

[fatness]

I think he was upset with himself that he just took himself out of the game because he was performing so badly. he figured maybe the back up could play better than he was.

I guess not.

 

[Faust]

Jeremy Fowler
Source on Lamar Jackson: "The type of player that he is and the amount of running that he does says that he will probably want to feel really good before he returns." But my sense is Ravens want to let the practice week settle before making determinations.

https://x.com/jfowlerespn/status/1973443999919906901?s=61

 

[Faust]

Adam Schefter
Now official: Ravens have ruled out QB Lamar Jackson, who strained his hamstring during Sunday’s loss at Kansas City and didn’t practice this week.

Ravens host the Rams next Sunday, before their bye week, so Jackson could get two weeks of recovery for missing one more game.

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1974205252745220483?s=61

 

[travdogg]

Sucks he's likely out through the bye week, but on the other hand, take a look at the schedule post-bye week. He's gonna be a monster. I have heard a few people be like, well the Ravens will be 1-5 so they could just pack it in, and that's a silly take. The Ravens will likely be favored in every game after the bye, except maybe at Green Bay.

Lamar's a great buy low target if you have a solid QB in the meantime and/or are 4-0 or 3-1.

 

[Faust]

Underdog NFL
Glazer: Lamar Jackson (hamstring) has "outside shot" to play Week 6.

https://x.com/underdognfl/status/1974869703400272245?s=61

 

[menobrown]

Sorry if this was discussed before, don't know where else to ask this, but legit curious in terms of just real football talk if anyone knows why the Ravens went with such a polar opposite of Lamar with Rush as the backup QB?

I know Huntley is on the team but they needed the Browns to cut him to get him back, nothing they could have counted on. If Rush was actually good I could make sense of it but always thought a guy like Huntley made sense as the backup, but never could understand why'd they willingly choose to have a backup with such a wildly different skill set to point there is no way the offense could work remotely the same.

To be clear I think Rush is good enough to be a solid backup, just not on this team.

 

[travdogg]

Sorry if this was discussed before, don't know where else to ask this, but legit curious in terms of just real football talk if anyone knows why the Ravens went with such a polar opposite of Lamar with Rush as the backup QB?

I know Huntley is on the team but they needed the Browns to cut him to get him back, nothing they could have counted on. If Rush was actually good I could make sense of it but always thought a guy like Huntley made sense as the backup, but never could understand why'd they willingly choose to have a backup with such a wildly different skill set to point there is no way the offense could work remotely the same.

To be clear I think Rush is good enough to be a solid backup, just not on this team.

It was weird. They could have always had Huntley, he wasn't signed until the summer, Rush was signed before the draft.

I'm mildly surprised Rush was ahead of Huntley. I think Huntley is a better QB, and especially so in this offense. They would have had a much better chance just running 35+ times between Huntley/Henry/Mitchell/Hill and trying to keep the Texans offense off the field, than trying to make Rush win a game in catchup mode.

 

[Faust]

Ravens QB Lamar Jackson (hamstring) misses practice on Wednesday for second straight week

 

[Faust]

John Harbaugh believes 1-5 Ravens can make playoffs, 'leaning hard' on Lamar Jackson leading turnaround

 

[Faust]

Underdog NFL
Rap: Lamar Jackson (hamstring) expected to return Week 8.

The Ravens have a bye this week.

https://x.com/underdognfl/status/1978964368394981504?s=61

 

[travdogg]

Underdog NFL
Rap: Lamar Jackson (hamstring) expected to return Week 8.

The Ravens have a bye this week.

https://x.com/underdognfl/status/1978964368394981504?s=61

Schedule post bye:

Bears
Dolphins
Vikings
Browns
Jets
Bengals
Steelers
Bengals
Patriots
Packers
Steelers (for the week 18 sickos)

Ravens schedule was insanely front loaded. Lamar is gonna go scorched earth with this run. Vikings are probably the only bad matchup. Ravens are likely making up a lot of ground in the North here, especially if they sweep Bengals/Steelers.

 

[kyoun1e]

Underdog NFL
Rap: Lamar Jackson (hamstring) expected to return Week 8.

The Ravens have a bye this week.

https://x.com/underdognfl/status/1978964368394981504?s=61

Schedule post bye:

Bears
Dolphins
Vikings
Browns
Jets
Bengals
Steelers
Bengals
Patriots
Packers
Steelers (for the week 18 sickos)

Ravens schedule was insanely front loaded. Lamar is gonna go scorched earth with this run. Vikings are probably the only bad matchup. Ravens are likely making up a lot of ground in the North here, especially if they sweep Bengals/Steelers.

If you are a Jackson owner and can stay afloat through the bye you will be in good shape.

I am desperately also trying to trade for D. Henry while he's on bye. Owners refuse all offers.

 

[ponchsox]

Underdog NFL
Rap: Lamar Jackson (hamstring) expected to return Week 8.

The Ravens have a bye this week.

https://x.com/underdognfl/status/1978964368394981504?s=61

Schedule post bye:

Bears
Dolphins
Vikings
Browns
Jets
Bengals
Steelers
Bengals
Patriots
Packers
Steelers (for the week 18 sickos)

Ravens schedule was insanely front loaded. Lamar is gonna go scorched earth with this run. Vikings are probably the only bad matchup. Ravens are likely making up a lot of ground in the North here, especially if they sweep Bengals/Steelers.

If you are a Jackson owner and can stay afloat through the bye you will be in good shape.

I am desperately also trying to trade for D. Henry while he's on bye. Owners refuse all offers.

I mentioned in another thread that Zay Flowers is also a good buy low candidate. The Ravens might have to throw a little more than usual with a putrid defense. Schedule looks very favorable coming off the bye.