QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (5 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

I think the Ravens just want fair market value at this point. We will match and then we can talk about a trade. I think they want to trade him but want what they feel is fair compensation. I think I would focus on the Colts. I think the fact they have the fourth pick is huge. But if the Ravens really wanted him it would not have gotten to this point. There could be some bad blood between Lamar and someone in the Ravens group. It's just past a point where they can kiss and make up but the Ravens want fair market value for his abilities. If I'm the Ravens this would be the hill I die on. If I'm Lamar I just want to move on and I'm okay however it gets done. Just move me.

The problem with the Baltimore match scenario is I believe the Ravens would be on the hook cap wise for the huge signing bonus. I don't believe they can demand to match and trade him before eating all that cap space.

It takes a trade partner, The problem is to sign Lamar to a offer sheet knowing you are giving up 2 firsts and then giving Lamar a huge contract. Also, if you have someone that is your QB now and it does not work out then that quarterback could go Matt Ryan on you. It's tough. I think a sign and trade would be best. It's not going to be a pretty.

Sign and trade in football is way different than in basketball. If you mean Lamar signs his franchise tender with BAL and they trade his rights, then yes, that is the best for the Ravens (no salary cap liability that way). Once they match an offer sheet, that is an entirely different animal. IIRC, they would be on the hook for the entirety of his signing bonus money, which could be $100M+. I don't see any way that scenario would happen.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think Lamar should hire MoP as his agent

Actually I would just like to see him going MoP on teams in negotiations

-QG

Believe me I would do it for free if he would come to the Miami Dolphins, he's a SoFL Native
Jackson-Hill-Ramsey all on 1 team, I'll take my chances vs the field

 

[Anarchy99]

You're your own agent Lamar. Go get something done elsewhere pal

Or going to refuse to work and sit this one out too?

Not sure it would play out that way. As I mentioned several pages ago, this is starting to look like the NBA where star players can demand a trade (and usually get it). If the Ravens don't trade him, he could make the situation untenable. All he has to do is what is contractually required. At this point, he doesn't have to sign the franchise tender yet, so he could skip out on everything team related for months. Then he could sign it right before the season starts and be guaranteed $32M. From there, all he had to do was practice and put forth marginal effort. Would BAL really want to start a QB not giving 100%? They could sit him all season like HOU did with Watson . . . but that would be a giant waste of money.

The Ravens have until mid-July to sign him to a long-term contract, get him to agree to the franchise deal, trade him, or remove the franchise tag and make him an UFA. Jackson could throw a wrench into the 2023 Ravens season, and depending upon what they do with him it could be a wasted season.

And that would probably cost him 100 million dollars

The Ravens can trade Lamar if he signs his franchise tender, and they would have $0 in a salary cap hit. They would be trading his rights to another franchise.

 

[ghostguy123]

Lamar Jackson just blew up the Monopoly Ponzi scheme known as the NFL salary cap that has many of you brain washed into thinking those numbers have much relevence when teams are able to just take salaries and twist them into signing and roster bonuses spread out over years and years, it's meaningless when these guys sign 5 yrs/$100M, it's really 2 yrs/$45M or whatever helps both sides sleep better at night and keep the media and NFL fans scratching their heads.

The Tampa Bay Bucs were light years over the cap and then suddenly a couple strokes of the pen and they are UTC
Miami Dolphins also were in the bottom half to third at the start of free agency and then like magic they trade for Jalen Ramsey

You should b mad if your team has the money and draft capital to get Jackson assuming he would be a QB upgrade from where you are at, AND THEY DO NOTHING!!!
Jackson is an upgrade at QB vs all but a handful and maybe part of another handful but mostly he's a massive upgrade and has taken his team into the Playoffs most years.
You are not going to find that very often and the NFL Draft traditionally spits out ONLY 1 per Draft on average over about a 10 year period so you are mostly striking out.
Whereas you can change the atmosphere on your team and the entire city by bring in Lamar Jackson, what owner doesn't want that? Let's start a list...

Boy, you sure do make a lot of reckless assumptions don't you?

 

[ghostguy123]

So Lamar requested a trade 3 weeks ago and we just now hear about it? I'm thinking the person most to blame for THAT would be Lamar.
Also, none of us has a clue what conversations and contacts have taken place. Zero.

 

[ghostguy123]

I think the Ravens just want fair market value at this point. We will match and then we can talk about a trade. I think they want to trade him but want what they feel is fair compensation. I think I would focus on the Colts. I think the fact they have the fourth pick is huge. But if the Ravens really wanted him it would not have gotten to this point. There could be some bad blood between Lamar and someone in the Ravens group. It's just past a point where they can kiss and make up but the Ravens want fair market value for his abilities. If I'm the Ravens this would be the hill I die on. If I'm Lamar I just want to move on and I'm okay however it gets done. Just move me.

The problem with the Baltimore match scenario is I believe the Ravens would be on the hook cap wise for the huge signing bonus. I don't believe they can demand to match and trade him before eating all that cap space.

It takes a trade partner, The problem is to sign Lamar to a offer sheet knowing you are giving up 2 firsts and then giving Lamar a huge contract. Also, if you have someone that is your QB now and it does not work out then that quarterback could go Matt Ryan on you. It's tough. I think a sign and trade would be best. It's not going to be a pretty.

I've been calling for a tag and trade since this started. It's the only way. It needs too much communication though. It needs.....an agent.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bizarre timing from Lamar. He's basically free right now to seek out a trade, which of course an agent would be a great assistance with. No need to put out a tweet, he's had about 2 weeks to do it and as far as I know has not done a thing

-I think he made a huge chess move today

He has now forced Baltimore to deal with this. He certainly has no interest in playing for that franchise tag so any thoughts of OTAs, camp, new OC, there's plenty of time between now and September, but Jackson tweeting out that he has demanded a trade means the $$$ is not the issue as much, he's done being a Baltimore Raven

You don't unwrite that Tweet, it was sent with a clear message to get him out of Baltimore and for the team to have no illusions that he is taking the field.

Sorry don't agree. At all.

I don't think you are understanding that there is literally zero way that Baltimore can trade him for any kind of decent compensation until Lamar and another team have at least agreed on terms of his new contract. The ball has been in Lamar's court for two weeks now to reach an agreement on a contract with a new team. That's the first step. Once terms of a contract are in place then and only then can Baltimore discuss trade terms with that team.

So I say again there is zero reason for Lamar to be sending his sabotage timed tweet today.

This would be the opposite of Chess to me. He just let two valuable weeks of FA expire without so much as having a contract extension talks with another team. Not sure how he could have played this any more poorly.

Jackson is taking away their ability to match some offer assuming he gets anything close to say 4yrs/$200M, forget the guaranteed part since Jackson says it doesn't matter as much as the media made it out to be.

So a team was hesitant, now they have the green light that he wants out of there and to please come make an offer.
You and I both know and most of the fans, the Ravens can simply match.
Jackson is saying don't do that and if you do, I'm not singing or playing for you and you are only going to turn this into a nasty media circus
That's what happened today, Jackson wanted to marginalize their ability to match the money by telling them "PLEASE DON'T!" and if you do, trouble will loom.

We can argue and debate who wins that tug of war, I'll let you pull harder but I want it to be known that what I described is how I feel Jackson is handling things.
You can come back with how the Ravens still have the upper hand but it doesn't change what Jackson did or my description of it.

I look forward to your next post, I am curious how you feel the Ravens can keep him at this point. All parties and kiss and make up but it appears Jackson is moving on.
I am wanting to go along with LJ for the ride and operate under the narrative he is done in Baltimore.

Sincerely,
Rose Colored Glasses LJ Fan

You assume they ever wanted to match which IMO is a wrong assumption.

There has never been one issue keeping a team from negotiating with Lamar and then reaching out to Baltimore to work out a trade.

Let me be clear. There is no rule that requires a team to sign Lamar, wait 5 days to match, then if Baltimore does not send two picks. That's just the Ravens protection. At any time during the last two weeks Lamar could have agreed to terms on a new contract and then that team could discuss a trade with Baltimore and no one would have to worry about Baltimore matching.

Michael Lombardi has been a great source on this stuff. He's always been a Lamar fan, his son coached him college and he was big on him coming out. He's been saying for weeks that Baltimore is sick of Lamar over his refusal to accept a new contract with them and they are ready to move on. They've been open to trading him this entire time but I'll say it for the millionth time they can't work out a viable trade until he's reached contract terms with a new teams. This is precisely why they used the non-exclusive tag on him to put the ball in his court. Furthermore Lombardi has said a few times it's standard procedure for teams in these cases to call Baltimore to work out a trade once they've reached terms on a deal for Lamar instead of seeing if Baltimore would match the offer.

Teams and Lamar have had the green light for two weeks now. Two extremely valuable weeks of FA that Lamar seems to have wasted while he had his shake weight business partner "check around" with teams. Total fiasco and it's all on Lamar and his refusal to get an agent to work through the process.

Why did LJ have to move on the first day of free agency?
Who says he isn't going thru the process? The Ravens slapped the tag and he has all summer to think about it.
Sounds like he's thinking about it and wants to try and move on, there's nothing that says he gets an A+ for getting it all done in a certain time frame.
Are you insinuating there isn't enough money left in the market to sign Lamar Jackson?

-I already posted about the Monopoly Ponzi scheme known as the salary cap, you cannot use that in good faith as a talking point for your POV, imho

I don't think you are rooting against Lamar Jackson but I think you are blind at the moment to all of the options and fallout Jackson has at his fingertips.
Just because the NFL news mongers haven't leaked some LJ news doesn't mean that teams are not talking to him. I doubt we will hear about a deal until it's all but done.
I think @Just Win Baby brought that point up in another post a few pages back.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

OK, so you decide to sell your own house. Fine, you may not be as good as the person who has sold 300+ of them and seen terms of 300+ contracts with s#i+ that is always going wrong, but you can get it done and save a few $s. I don't fault anyone that wants to try it. Good for you.

BUT ... you know who hates that? The other side of the transaction. Why? Because they have to cover for your lack of knowledge. They have to do way more. And they have to convince you that your valuation of your home is probably not what you think it is.

That is all that is happening here. Lamar is trying to save a few bucks and he's not really capable of understanding his value, the timing of the FA market, or how to present himself in the most attractive way to a trade partner. For a deal to happen, the other side of the transaction has to step up and do far more than they normally would. And teams aren't about to waste the energy for the potential privilege of paying him $45M+/year and giving up 2 first round picks. Only to watch it fall apart because Lamar doesn't understand NFL contracts at all. Nor how to work with other GMs to make something happen. He's in so far over his head he doesn't even know it. We aren't talking about a $500K home here, or a $10M home. We are talking a $250M contract. And he's relying on him mom, his 2.0 GPA in HS, 15 wonderlic sore, and a communication degree from Louisville

All that tells me as a GM is he's a moron.

 

[zeeshan2]

[Chris Mortensen] A few teams (owners included) have discussed Jackson's case. One team was hesitant re: number of games/snaps & practices missed last 2 to 3 years vs $$$ invested. Also wonder whether his sleep habits and nutrition contribute to his absences. Nobody speaks ill of his character.

 

[cdclopper]

This whole thing is complete horse baloney. Makes me mad. The Ravens shouldn't be entitled to anything from another team. Lamar already played out his contract with them.

I hope he bucks and refuses to sign the tender if he isn't traded. He could play in the CFL for a year or two and break all of the records, eh.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Honestly, I’m not exactly sure why the Jets would be so in on Rodgers and not on Lamar. IMO, they should pivot and go after Jackson.

If for no other reason, it would be hilarious to see the fallout on thr GB/Rodgers side.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So Lamar requested a trade 3 weeks ago and we just now hear about it? I'm thinking the person most to blame for THAT would be Lamar.
Also, none of us has a clue what conversations and contacts have taken place. Zero.

Doesn't work as well for my narrative but I think this is a good point and you're right.
Maybe LJ should be getting an "F" for how he handles being his own agent.
So far it has gotten him nothing that we know of.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

OK, so you decide to sell your own house. Fine, you may not be as good as the person who has sold 300+ of them and seen terms of 300+ contracts with s#i+ that is always going wrong, but you can get it done and save a few $s. I don't fault anyone that wants to try it. Good for you.

BUT ... you know who hates that? The other side of the transaction. Why? Because they have to cover for your lack of knowledge. They have to do way more. And they have to convince you that your valuation of your home is probably not what you think it is.

That is all that is happening here. Lamar is trying to save a few bucks and he's not really capable of understanding his value, the timing of the FA market, or how to present himself in the most attractive way to a trade partner. For a deal to happen, the other side of the transaction has to step up and do far more than they normally would. And teams aren't about to waste the energy for the potential privilege of paying him $45M+/year and giving up 2 first round picks. Only to watch it fall apart because Lamar doesn't understand NFL contracts at all. Nor how to work with other GMs to make something happen. He's in so far over his head he doesn't even know it. We aren't talking about a $500K home here, or a $10M home. We are talking a $250M contract. And he's relying on him mom, his 2.0 GPA in HS, 15 wonderlic sore, and a communication degree from Louisville

All that tells me as a GM is he's a moron.

There is a lot of intelligence in this post and hits dead on.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Honestly, I’m not exactly sure why the Jets would be so in on Rodgers and not on Lamar. IMO, they should pivot and go after Jackson.

If for no other reason, it would be hilarious to see the fallout on thr GB/Rodgers side.

QUIET!!!

Are you nuts? You want to face Jackson twice a season?

-Says the Miami fan

 

[Terpman22]

Would I want a guy on my team not smart enough to understand how an agent helps you and your market value, let alone PR.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You're your own agent Lamar. Go get something done elsewhere pal

Or going to refuse to work and sit this one out too?

Not sure it would play out that way. As I mentioned several pages ago, this is starting to look like the NBA where star players can demand a trade (and usually get it). If the Ravens don't trade him, he could make the situation untenable. All he has to do is what is contractually required. At this point, he doesn't have to sign the franchise tender yet, so he could skip out on everything team related for months. Then he could sign it right before the season starts and be guaranteed $32M. From there, all he had to do was practice and put forth marginal effort. Would BAL really want to start a QB not giving 100%? They could sit him all season like HOU did with Watson . . . but that would be a giant waste of money.

The Ravens have until mid-July to sign him to a long-term contract, get him to agree to the franchise deal, trade him, or remove the franchise tag and make him an UFA. Jackson could throw a wrench into the 2023 Ravens season, and depending upon what they do with him it could be a wasted season.

And that would probably cost him 100 million dollars

The Ravens can trade Lamar if he signs his franchise tender, and they would have $0 in a salary cap hit. They would be trading his rights to another franchise.

Why should he trust the Ravens?
All that sounds like is he's taking the field in Purple come Fall of '23

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lamar Jackson just blew up the Monopoly Ponzi scheme known as the NFL salary cap that has many of you brain washed into thinking those numbers have much relevence when teams are able to just take salaries and twist them into signing and roster bonuses spread out over years and years, it's meaningless when these guys sign 5 yrs/$100M, it's really 2 yrs/$45M or whatever helps both sides sleep better at night and keep the media and NFL fans scratching their heads.

The Tampa Bay Bucs were light years over the cap and then suddenly a couple strokes of the pen and they are UTC
Miami Dolphins also were in the bottom half to third at the start of free agency and then like magic they trade for Jalen Ramsey

You should b mad if your team has the money and draft capital to get Jackson assuming he would be a QB upgrade from where you are at, AND THEY DO NOTHING!!!
Jackson is an upgrade at QB vs all but a handful and maybe part of another handful but mostly he's a massive upgrade and has taken his team into the Playoffs most years.
You are not going to find that very often and the NFL Draft traditionally spits out ONLY 1 per Draft on average over about a 10 year period so you are mostly striking out.
Whereas you can change the atmosphere on your team and the entire city by bring in Lamar Jackson, what owner doesn't want that? Let's start a list...

Boy, you sure do make a lot of reckless assumptions don't you?

Hold my beer, thanks!

 

[Anarchy99]

OK, so you decide to sell your own house. Fine, you may not be as good as the person who has sold 300+ of them and seen terms of 300+ contracts with s#i+ that is always going wrong, but you can get it done and save a few $s. I don't fault anyone that wants to try it. Good for you.

BUT ... you know who hates that? The other side of the transaction. Why? Because they have to cover for your lack of knowledge. They have to do way more. And they have to convince you that your valuation of your home is probably not what you think it is.

That is all that is happening here. Lamar is trying to save a few bucks and he's not really capable of understanding his value, the timing of the FA market, or how to present himself in the most attractive way to a trade partner. For a deal to happen, the other side of the transaction has to step up and do far more than they normally would. And teams aren't about to waste the energy for the potential privilege of paying him $45M+/year and giving up 2 first round picks. Only to watch it fall apart because Lamar doesn't understand NFL contracts at all. Nor how to work with other GMs to make something happen. He's in so far over his head he doesn't even know it. We aren't talking about a $500K home here, or a $10M home. We are talking a $250M contract. And he's relying on him mom, his 2.0 GPA in HS, 15 wonderlic sore, and a communication degree from Louisville

All that tells me as a GM is he's a moron.

I would guess that at some point Lamar will hire an attorney to review the contract terms and language . . . which will cost him way less than having an actual agent. So in your real estate analogy, the seller skips the agent part and would opt for a real estate attorney to make sure the transaction was on the up and up, the homeowner wasn't getting raked over the coals, and saved a boatload on commission costs. The problem with that approach is, that only considers that smooth completion of the transaction . . . and does not account for better marketing and what could have been a higher sales price.

 

[Stoneworker]

You don't know what you don't know. -Socrates

 

[humpback]

I think Lamar should hire MoP as his agent

Actually I would just like to see him going MoP on teams in negotiations

-QG

That may be the only way he could possibly handle this worse than he has.

 

[Ilov80s]

So Lamar requested a trade 3 weeks ago and we just now hear about it? I'm thinking the person most to blame for THAT would be Lamar.
Also, none of us has a clue what conversations and contacts have taken place. Zero.

Why does that matter? We didn’t hear about it because Lamar doesn’t have an agent that leaks things. I am sure that Baltimore and teams around the league have been aware of this.

 

[menobrown]

Bizarre timing from Lamar. He's basically free right now to seek out a trade, which of course an agent would be a great assistance with. No need to put out a tweet, he's had about 2 weeks to do it and as far as I know has not done a thing

-I think he made a huge chess move today

He has now forced Baltimore to deal with this. He certainly has no interest in playing for that franchise tag so any thoughts of OTAs, camp, new OC, there's plenty of time between now and September, but Jackson tweeting out that he has demanded a trade means the $$$ is not the issue as much, he's done being a Baltimore Raven

You don't unwrite that Tweet, it was sent with a clear message to get him out of Baltimore and for the team to have no illusions that he is taking the field.

Sorry don't agree. At all.

I don't think you are understanding that there is literally zero way that Baltimore can trade him for any kind of decent compensation until Lamar and another team have at least agreed on terms of his new contract. The ball has been in Lamar's court for two weeks now to reach an agreement on a contract with a new team. That's the first step. Once terms of a contract are in place then and only then can Baltimore discuss trade terms with that team.

So I say again there is zero reason for Lamar to be sending his sabotage timed tweet today.

This would be the opposite of Chess to me. He just let two valuable weeks of FA expire without so much as having a contract extension talks with another team. Not sure how he could have played this any more poorly.

Jackson is taking away their ability to match some offer assuming he gets anything close to say 4yrs/$200M, forget the guaranteed part since Jackson says it doesn't matter as much as the media made it out to be.

So a team was hesitant, now they have the green light that he wants out of there and to please come make an offer.
You and I both know and most of the fans, the Ravens can simply match.
Jackson is saying don't do that and if you do, I'm not singing or playing for you and you are only going to turn this into a nasty media circus
That's what happened today, Jackson wanted to marginalize their ability to match the money by telling them "PLEASE DON'T!" and if you do, trouble will loom.

We can argue and debate who wins that tug of war, I'll let you pull harder but I want it to be known that what I described is how I feel Jackson is handling things.
You can come back with how the Ravens still have the upper hand but it doesn't change what Jackson did or my description of it.

I look forward to your next post, I am curious how you feel the Ravens can keep him at this point. All parties and kiss and make up but it appears Jackson is moving on.
I am wanting to go along with LJ for the ride and operate under the narrative he is done in Baltimore.

Sincerely,
Rose Colored Glasses LJ Fan

You assume they ever wanted to match which IMO is a wrong assumption.

There has never been one issue keeping a team from negotiating with Lamar and then reaching out to Baltimore to work out a trade.

Let me be clear. There is no rule that requires a team to sign Lamar, wait 5 days to match, then if Baltimore does not send two picks. That's just the Ravens protection. At any time during the last two weeks Lamar could have agreed to terms on a new contract and then that team could discuss a trade with Baltimore and no one would have to worry about Baltimore matching.

Michael Lombardi has been a great source on this stuff. He's always been a Lamar fan, his son coached him college and he was big on him coming out. He's been saying for weeks that Baltimore is sick of Lamar over his refusal to accept a new contract with them and they are ready to move on. They've been open to trading him this entire time but I'll say it for the millionth time they can't work out a viable trade until he's reached contract terms with a new teams. This is precisely why they used the non-exclusive tag on him to put the ball in his court. Furthermore Lombardi has said a few times it's standard procedure for teams in these cases to call Baltimore to work out a trade once they've reached terms on a deal for Lamar instead of seeing if Baltimore would match the offer.

Teams and Lamar have had the green light for two weeks now. Two extremely valuable weeks of FA that Lamar seems to have wasted while he had his shake weight business partner "check around" with teams. Total fiasco and it's all on Lamar and his refusal to get an agent to work through the process.

Why did LJ have to move on the first day of free agency?
Who says he isn't going thru the process? The Ravens slapped the tag and he has all summer to think about it.
Sounds like he's thinking about it and wants to try and move on, there's nothing that says he gets an A+ for getting it all done in a certain time frame.
Are you insinuating there isn't enough money left in the market to sign Lamar Jackson?

-I already posted about the Monopoly Ponzi scheme known as the salary cap, you cannot use that in good faith as a talking point for your POV, imho

I don't think you are rooting against Lamar Jackson but I think you are blind at the moment to all of the options and fallout Jackson has at his fingertips.
Just because the NFL news mongers haven't leaked some LJ news doesn't mean that teams are not talking to him. I doubt we will hear about a deal until it's all but done.
I think @Just Win Baby brought that point up in another post a few pages back.

Sorry I believe the salary cap is real. You can often put off the bill being due, but not always and not to accommodate a contract of this size.

So yes I think blowing two weeks while teams have moved on with making cap and team commitments has hurt Lamar's leverage, lessened his options.

And no I don't think he's had contract talks with team nor do I think it will be a secret if/when those talks take place and there is a reason the league had to put out the memo on his business partner calling around on his behalf.

I don't get what is so hard about this to grasp. Lamar is and has been free for two weeks to agree to terms with a team and work out a trade. It's on him now and has been. This is not remotely the same thing as a player under contract asking to be traded. He's a free agent, a restricted one but one absolutely free to discuss a new contract with whoever he wishes.

There will also be no tag and trade without Lamar first reaching basic terms on a new contract. Nothing is going to happen until he reaches terms on a new deal with another team which again he's been able to do for weeks now because no one is going to trade for Lamar and then see if they can offer him a contract he will accept. That comes first, trade comes next. It's really that simple.

 

[The Frankman]

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1640390253750935552

Chris Mortensen

@mortreport

A few teams (owners included) have discussed Jackson's case. One team was hesitant re: number of games/snaps & practices missed last 2 to 3 years vs $$$ invested. Also wonder whether his sleep habits and nutrition contribute to his absences. Nobody speaks ill of his character.

Jesus CHRIST, Mort. Can you be any more of a league mouthpiece? What a horrible tweet.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lamar Jackson just blew up the Monopoly Ponzi scheme known as the NFL salary cap that has many of you brain washed into thinking those numbers have much relevence when teams are able to just take salaries and twist them into signing and roster bonuses spread out over years and years, it's meaningless when these guys sign 5 yrs/$100M, it's really 2 yrs/$45M or whatever helps both sides sleep better at night and keep the media and NFL fans scratching their heads.

The Tampa Bay Bucs were light years over the cap and then suddenly a couple strokes of the pen and they are UTC
Miami Dolphins also were in the bottom half to third at the start of free agency and then like magic they trade for Jalen Ramsey

You should b mad if your team has the money and draft capital to get Jackson assuming he would be a QB upgrade from where you are at, AND THEY DO NOTHING!!!
Jackson is an upgrade at QB vs all but a handful and maybe part of another handful but mostly he's a massive upgrade and has taken his team into the Playoffs most years.
You are not going to find that very often and the NFL Draft traditionally spits out ONLY 1 per Draft on average over about a 10 year period so you are mostly striking out.
Whereas you can change the atmosphere on your team and the entire city by bring in Lamar Jackson, what owner doesn't want that? Let's start a list...

Boy, you sure do make a lot of reckless assumptions don't you?

What part of the Bucs and Dolphins did I post that you disagree with?
Miami is picking up another $15M in salary cap space come June 1st, that's a fact, Jack!

People can buy whichever narrative they choose. I want to believe teams can change their entire arc as early as this season by trading for Lamar Jackson
If he were to go to a team that was already pretty loaded, one would think he might be the guy to put them Over the Top

I'm making 80s movies references, feel free to join.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

From Spotrac...

The Ravens have known about this for 25 days and have responded with Nelson Agholor.
Stay the course Baltimore

What were they supposed to do? The Lamar situation is handicapping both their cap and pick situation, they can't really trade for Hopkins right now. Have you seen this WR FA market? Should they have paid up for DJ Chark?

Just because he requested a trade doesn’t mean he will get one. Baltimore has some thinking to do. Making Lamar ride out a one year tag means he might nurse an injury for next offseason negotiations. Good luck with that

Is that a good strategy for Lamar? Doesn't finish two seasons and then spends a 3rd season nursing injuries. He seems to be banking on the idea that a team will ignore his injury history and invest in him long-term and I think we are seeing that teams are not interested in that.

I'm a big Lamar fan, I thought (until recently it seems) he was underrated by the media and fans. I just think he is playing this situation wrong and leaving a lot of money on the table. I'm all for players deciding to "bet on yourself" but at this point it seems like he has lost that bet. What happens when the offer the Ravens made is the best offer he receives? Does he sit out the year or play on the tag?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

OK, so you decide to sell your own house. Fine, you may not be as good as the person who has sold 300+ of them and seen terms of 300+ contracts with s#i+ that is always going wrong, but you can get it done and save a few $s. I don't fault anyone that wants to try it. Good for you.

BUT ... you know who hates that? The other side of the transaction. Why? Because they have to cover for your lack of knowledge. They have to do way more. And they have to convince you that your valuation of your home is probably not what you think it is.

That is all that is happening here. Lamar is trying to save a few bucks and he's not really capable of understanding his value, the timing of the FA market, or how to present himself in the most attractive way to a trade partner. For a deal to happen, the other side of the transaction has to step up and do far more than they normally would. And teams aren't about to waste the energy for the potential privilege of paying him $45M+/year and giving up 2 first round picks. Only to watch it fall apart because Lamar doesn't understand NFL contracts at all. Nor how to work with other GMs to make something happen. He's in so far over his head he doesn't even know it. We aren't talking about a $500K home here, or a $10M home. We are talking a $250M contract. And he's relying on him mom, his 2.0 GPA in HS, 15 wonderlic sore, and a communication degree from Louisville

All that tells me as a GM is he's a moron.

Teams are afraid to pay Superstar QBs $45M a season?
Since when?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

When I am outnumbered, I often am reminded of the rope scene with Sean Connery in the The Man Who Would be King

If you've never seen the Shark Pool when they truly get up in arms, allow me to show you a clip

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

www.youtube.com

About 1:30 in, really picks up some steam

-I love this place

 

[Stoneworker]

Teams are afraid to pay Superstar QBs $45M a season?
Since when?

Certainly not the Ravens.

$133M / 3 yrs = $44.3M per season.

More fully guaranteed $ than any other QB not named Watson.

 

[ghostguy123]

You're your own agent Lamar. Go get something done elsewhere pal

Or going to refuse to work and sit this one out too?

Not sure it would play out that way. As I mentioned several pages ago, this is starting to look like the NBA where star players can demand a trade (and usually get it). If the Ravens don't trade him, he could make the situation untenable. All he has to do is what is contractually required. At this point, he doesn't have to sign the franchise tender yet, so he could skip out on everything team related for months. Then he could sign it right before the season starts and be guaranteed $32M. From there, all he had to do was practice and put forth marginal effort. Would BAL really want to start a QB not giving 100%? They could sit him all season like HOU did with Watson . . . but that would be a giant waste of money.

The Ravens have until mid-July to sign him to a long-term contract, get him to agree to the franchise deal, trade him, or remove the franchise tag and make him an UFA. Jackson could throw a wrench into the 2023 Ravens season, and depending upon what they do with him it could be a wasted season.

And that would probably cost him 100 million dollars

The Ravens can trade Lamar if he signs his franchise tender, and they would have $0 in a salary cap hit. They would be trading his rights to another franchise.

Thats not what I meant. I meant Lamar flaking off this year on the tag would cost him a ton of money

 

[ghostguy123]

So Lamar requested a trade 3 weeks ago and we just now hear about it? I'm thinking the person most to blame for THAT would be Lamar.
Also, none of us has a clue what conversations and contacts have taken place. Zero.

Doesn't work as well for my narrative but I think this is a good point and you're right.
Maybe LJ should be getting an "F" for how he handles being his own agent.
So far it has gotten him nothing that we know of.

He would have had a deal already and been ready for another one in a year. He royally screwed up.

 

[menobrown]

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1640390253750935552

Chris Mortensen

@mortreport

A few teams (owners included) have discussed Jackson's case. One team was hesitant re: number of games/snaps & practices missed last 2 to 3 years vs $$$ invested. Also wonder whether his sleep habits and nutrition contribute to his absences. Nobody speaks ill of his character.

Jesus CHRIST, Mort. Can you be any more of a league mouthpiece? What a horrible tweet.

I'm not able to spot the lie.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

OK, so you decide to sell your own house. Fine, you may not be as good as the person who has sold 300+ of them and seen terms of 300+ contracts with s#i+ that is always going wrong, but you can get it done and save a few $s. I don't fault anyone that wants to try it. Good for you.

BUT ... you know who hates that? The other side of the transaction. Why? Because they have to cover for your lack of knowledge. They have to do way more. And they have to convince you that your valuation of your home is probably not what you think it is.

That is all that is happening here. Lamar is trying to save a few bucks and he's not really capable of understanding his value, the timing of the FA market, or how to present himself in the most attractive way to a trade partner. For a deal to happen, the other side of the transaction has to step up and do far more than they normally would. And teams aren't about to waste the energy for the potential privilege of paying him $45M+/year and giving up 2 first round picks. Only to watch it fall apart because Lamar doesn't understand NFL contracts at all. Nor how to work with other GMs to make something happen. He's in so far over his head he doesn't even know it. We aren't talking about a $500K home here, or a $10M home. We are talking a $250M contract. And he's relying on him mom, his 2.0 GPA in HS, 15 wonderlic sore, and a communication degree from Louisville

All that tells me as a GM is he's a moron.

I would guess that at some point Lamar will hire an attorney to review the contract terms and language . . . which will cost him way less than having an actual agent. So in your real estate analogy, the seller skips the agent part and would opt for a real estate attorney to make sure the transaction was on the up and up, the homeowner wasn't getting raked over the coals, and saved a boatload on commission costs. The problem with that approach is, that only considers that smooth completion of the transaction . . . and does not account for better marketing and what could have been a higher sales price.

All above true. And the buying team in this case is still doing 200% of the work up to the point of an attorney contractual review. And while some may think that works in the teams favor because they can manipulate the contract, it doesn't. The team attorneys have ethics to follow and teams have a reputation on the line if they swindle someone. Not to mention that player would hold a grudge while on their team (see Lavar Arrington contract)

I have no idea what NFL agent fees are ... maybe 8% of a contract this size. So it's a huge amount on a $250M contract. But the issue underlying all this is ... he may not even get it done without an agent. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But he certainly isn't selling himself correctly to the rest of the league.

 

[Anarchy99]

OK, so you decide to sell your own house. Fine, you may not be as good as the person who has sold 300+ of them and seen terms of 300+ contracts with s#i+ that is always going wrong, but you can get it done and save a few $s. I don't fault anyone that wants to try it. Good for you.

BUT ... you know who hates that? The other side of the transaction. Why? Because they have to cover for your lack of knowledge. They have to do way more. And they have to convince you that your valuation of your home is probably not what you think it is.

That is all that is happening here. Lamar is trying to save a few bucks and he's not really capable of understanding his value, the timing of the FA market, or how to present himself in the most attractive way to a trade partner. For a deal to happen, the other side of the transaction has to step up and do far more than they normally would. And teams aren't about to waste the energy for the potential privilege of paying him $45M+/year and giving up 2 first round picks. Only to watch it fall apart because Lamar doesn't understand NFL contracts at all. Nor how to work with other GMs to make something happen. He's in so far over his head he doesn't even know it. We aren't talking about a $500K home here, or a $10M home. We are talking a $250M contract. And he's relying on him mom, his 2.0 GPA in HS, 15 wonderlic sore, and a communication degree from Louisville

All that tells me as a GM is he's a moron.

I would guess that at some point Lamar will hire an attorney to review the contract terms and language . . . which will cost him way less than having an actual agent. So in your real estate analogy, the seller skips the agent part and would opt for a real estate attorney to make sure the transaction was on the up and up, the homeowner wasn't getting raked over the coals, and saved a boatload on commission costs. The problem with that approach is, that only considers that smooth completion of the transaction . . . and does not account for better marketing and what could have been a higher sales price.

All above true. And the buying team in this case is still doing 200% of the work up to the point of an attorney contractual review. And while some may think that works in the teams favor because they can manipulate the contract, it doesn't. The team attorneys have ethics to follow and teams have a reputation on the line if they swindle someone. Not to mention that player would hold a grudge while on their team (see Lavar Arrington contract)

I have no idea what NFL agent fees are ... maybe 8% of a contract this size. So it's a huge amount on a $250M contract. But the issue underlying all this is ... he may not even get it done without an agent. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But he certainly isn't selling himself correctly to the rest of the league.

Yeah, he is risking $250 million because he doesn't want to shell out $7.5M (IIRC, agent fees in the NFL are capped at 3%). Easy for us to point out the error of his ways, but people can make their own decisions (no matter how smart or dumb they are).

 

[Jakey]

This whole thing is complete horse baloney. Makes me mad. The Ravens shouldn't be entitled to anything from another team. Lamar already played out his contract with them.

I hope he bucks and refuses to sign the tender if he isn't traded. He could play in the CFL for a year or two and break all of the records, eh.

The players agreed to this arrangement. When they negotiated for it in Collective Bargaining.

Shouldn't be entitled? They are, has nothing to do with should or shouldn't. You getting "mad" is an example of why an agent is needed, emotional people don't negotiate well.

 

[Yenrub]

Would I want a guy on my team not smart enough to understand how an agent helps you and your market value, let alone PR.

If all these teams care about is winning, why would they care if he is not smart enough to understand how an agent helps his market value and PR when the Ravens win 70% of their games with him as QB?

 

[Jakey]

Would I want a guy on my team not smart enough to understand how an agent helps you and your market value, let alone PR.

If all these teams care about is winning, why would they care if he is not smart enough to understand how an agent helps his market value and PR when the Ravens win 70% of their games with him as QB?

Or that he is available for about 70% of the Ravens' games.

 

[Anarchy99]

Or that he is available for about 70% of the Ravens' games.

Lamar missed 12 regular season games in 5 years (meaning he played 85% of the time). Daniel Jones missed 12 games in 4 years. Did people even bring that up when he signed his extension for 4 / $160M / $82M guaranteed with the Giants?

 

[Terpman22]

Would I want a guy on my team not smart enough to understand how an agent helps you and your market value, let alone PR.

If all these teams care about is winning, why would they care if he is not smart enough to understand how an agent helps his market value and PR when the Ravens win 70% of their games with him as QB?

I hear ya, but you have to wonder how the extension talks and etc will be moving forward. And to me, its math really. "is it worth the 7%/agent fee to lose $50M more than an agent can get you"

 

[Anarchy99]

Would I want a guy on my team not smart enough to understand how an agent helps you and your market value, let alone PR.

If all these teams care about is winning, why would they care if he is not smart enough to understand how an agent helps his market value and PR when the Ravens win 70% of their games with him as QB?

I hear ya, but you have to wonder how the extension talks and etc will be moving forward. And to me, its math really. "is it worth the 7%/agent fee to lose $50M more than an agent can get you"

For accuracy's sake, agent commissions in the NFL are capped at 3%. So Lamar is actually saving a lot less than the hypotheticals being thrown around in here.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Or that he is available for about 70% of the Ravens' games.

Lamar missed 12 regular season games in 5 years (meaning he played 85% of the time). Daniel Jones missed 12 games in 4 years. Did people even bring that up when he signed his extension for 4 / $160M / $82M guaranteed with the Giants?

While mostly factual (he barely played in the first nine games of his rookie year as he didn't start until their 10th game, but if you want to count those, have at it), he has missed 11 of their games in the last 35 games the last two seasons (counting the playoff game). If someone wants to pay crazy money to a QB who has been available in less than 70% of his team's games in the last two seasons, more power to them.

And don't give me that "anyone can get hurt, it's football!" comeback. Part of being great is being durable, and Jackson is breaking down seemingly every year now. He has failed to finish three of the Ravens' five seasons due to injury (he was knocked out of the Buffalo playoff game following the 2020 season with a concussion). That is a fact.

 

[ghostguy123]

Ya know what, I would think even a pocket passed type QB should have signed a nice deal a couple years ago for several lifetimes of security. A running QB? Good lord man.
This guy should have had a deal done two years ago, or last year at the latest, and be in a position for another deal at age 28. Even if he ends up signing a huge deal now, this has probably lost him money.
Get an agent dude. It's not too late.

 

[humpback]

Or that he is available for about 70% of the Ravens' games.

Lamar missed 12 regular season games in 5 years (meaning he played 85% of the time). Daniel Jones missed 12 games in 4 years. Did people even bring that up when he signed his extension for 4 / $160M / $82M guaranteed with the Giants?

Not sure, but people probably wouldn't be bringing it up for Lamar either if he was asking for a similar contract.

 

[Ghost Rider]

https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1640390253750935552

Chris Mortensen

@mortreport

A few teams (owners included) have discussed Jackson's case. One team was hesitant re: number of games/snaps & practices missed last 2 to 3 years vs $$$ invested. Also wonder whether his sleep habits and nutrition contribute to his absences. Nobody speaks ill of his character.

Jesus CHRIST, Mort. Can you be any more of a league mouthpiece? What a horrible tweet.

I'm not able to spot the lie.

Yeah, I don't see the issue. I know those who are dying on a hill for Lamar want to act like he either never missed any games or that it doesn't matter, but I have a feeling that most team owners would rather give crazy big money to a QB who doesn't have a track record of missing handfuls of games over multiple seasons, especially with a limited sample size.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So Lamar requested a trade 3 weeks ago and we just now hear about it? I'm thinking the person most to blame for THAT would be Lamar.
Also, none of us has a clue what conversations and contacts have taken place. Zero.

Doesn't work as well for my narrative but I think this is a good point and you're right.
Maybe LJ should be getting an "F" for how he handles being his own agent.
So far it has gotten him nothing that we know of.

He would have had a deal already and been ready for another one in a year. He royally screwed up.

I mentioned the error of him not getting his signing bonus when he should have at 36 months and we're pushing past 60 now. Pages ago
2 full years of compound interest, he could be half way to buying his own franchise by now, is that what you're saying?
I think he could still look like a rock star at the end of this but it's going to take a very strong will by Jackson to get out of Baltimore.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

OK, so you decide to sell your own house. Fine, you may not be as good as the person who has sold 300+ of them and seen terms of 300+ contracts with s#i+ that is always going wrong, but you can get it done and save a few $s. I don't fault anyone that wants to try it. Good for you.

BUT ... you know who hates that? The other side of the transaction. Why? Because they have to cover for your lack of knowledge. They have to do way more. And they have to convince you that your valuation of your home is probably not what you think it is.

That is all that is happening here. Lamar is trying to save a few bucks and he's not really capable of understanding his value, the timing of the FA market, or how to present himself in the most attractive way to a trade partner. For a deal to happen, the other side of the transaction has to step up and do far more than they normally would. And teams aren't about to waste the energy for the potential privilege of paying him $45M+/year and giving up 2 first round picks. Only to watch it fall apart because Lamar doesn't understand NFL contracts at all. Nor how to work with other GMs to make something happen. He's in so far over his head he doesn't even know it. We aren't talking about a $500K home here, or a $10M home. We are talking a $250M contract. And he's relying on him mom, his 2.0 GPA in HS, 15 wonderlic sore, and a communication degree from Louisville

All that tells me as a GM is he's a moron.

I would guess that at some point Lamar will hire an attorney to review the contract terms and language . . . which will cost him way less than having an actual agent. So in your real estate analogy, the seller skips the agent part and would opt for a real estate attorney to make sure the transaction was on the up and up, the homeowner wasn't getting raked over the coals, and saved a boatload on commission costs. The problem with that approach is, that only considers that smooth completion of the transaction . . . and does not account for better marketing and what could have been a higher sales price.

All above true. And the buying team in this case is still doing 200% of the work up to the point of an attorney contractual review. And while some may think that works in the teams favor because they can manipulate the contract, it doesn't. The team attorneys have ethics to follow and teams have a reputation on the line if they swindle someone. Not to mention that player would hold a grudge while on their team (see Lavar Arrington contract)

I have no idea what NFL agent fees are ... maybe 8% of a contract this size. So it's a huge amount on a $250M contract. But the issue underlying all this is ... he may not even get it done without an agent. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But he certainly isn't selling himself correctly to the rest of the league.

We hear it's between 1 and 2% and for guys like LJ, many times they just want to say they put the deal together because it opens up 8-10 more with other players where they will make just as much if not more money. The agents don't get anywhere near 8% from what we hear

 

[Anarchy99]

Or that he is available for about 70% of the Ravens' games.

Lamar missed 12 regular season games in 5 years (meaning he played 85% of the time). Daniel Jones missed 12 games in 4 years. Did people even bring that up when he signed his extension for 4 / $160M / $82M guaranteed with the Giants?

While mostly factual (he barely played in the first nine games of his rookie year as he didn't start until their 10th game, but if you want to count those, have at it), he has missed 11 of their games in the last 35 games the last two seasons (counting the playoff game). If someone wants to pay crazy money to a QB who has been available in less than 70% of his team's games in the last two seasons, more power to them.

And don't give me that "anyone can get hurt, it's football!" comeback. Part of being great is being durable, and Jackson is breaking down seemingly every year now. He has failed to finish three of the Ravens' five seasons due to injury (he was knocked out of the Buffalo playoff game following the 2020 season with a concussion). That is a fact.

You can have any opinion you want and suggest a team offer or not offer players contracts and for how much. But guess what . . . QBs get hurt.

Aaron Rodgers missed half a season twice in his career. Matthew Stafford missed half a season twice in the past 4 years. I already mentioned Daniel Jones. Dak Prescott missed 17 games in 3 seasons. Tua missed 9 games in recent seasons. Kyler Murray missed half a season of games. Joe Burrow went on IR and missed the last month and a half one year. DeShawn Watson missed 27 games and wasn't even hurt . . . and look at the deal he got. Jimmy G missed two seasons worth of games for SF. That's a whole bunch of QBs that made a BOATLOAD of money . . . and have been banged up quite a bit. That comes with the territory in the NFL. I get it, if you were an NFL GM, you wouldn't have an interest in Lamar. But the injury and availability card could be applied to a lot of players.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's pretty rich to see people that likely work for a living vs NFL Owners and feeling compassion and sympathy for all 32 NFL owners, again it's PREPOSTEROUS!

-To try and side with the owners who have to "cobble" these deals together with the very few resources they have in their bank accounts, those poor poor owners.

 

[Chaka]

Would I want a guy on my team not smart enough to understand how an agent helps you and your market value, let alone PR.

If all these teams care about is winning, why would they care if he is not smart enough to understand how an agent helps his market value and PR when the Ravens win 70% of their games with him as QB?

I hear ya, but you have to wonder how the extension talks and etc will be moving forward. And to me, its math really. "is it worth the 7%/agent fee to lose $50M more than an agent can get you"

For accuracy's sake, agent commissions in the NFL are capped at 3%. So Lamar is actually saving a lot less than the hypotheticals being thrown around in here.

Realistically any agent who Lamar hires would probably be closer to 1% in fees as it is common for agents to negotiate their fees down to secure a client.

 

[H8fulHuck]

From Spotrac...

The Ravens have known about this for 25 days and have responded with Nelson Agholor.
Stay the course Baltimore

What were they supposed to do? The Lamar situation is handicapping both their cap and pick situation, they can't really trade for Hopkins right now. Have you seen this WR FA market? Should they have paid up for DJ Chark?

Just because he requested a trade doesn’t mean he will get one. Baltimore has some thinking to do. Making Lamar ride out a one year tag means he might nurse an injury for next offseason negotiations. Good luck with that

Is that a good strategy for Lamar? Doesn't finish two seasons and then spends a 3rd season nursing injuries. He seems to be banking on the idea that a team will ignore his injury history and invest in him long-term and I think we are seeing that teams are not interested in that.

I'm a big Lamar fan, I thought (until recently it seems) he was underrated by the media and fans. I just think he is playing this situation wrong and leaving a lot of money on the table. I'm all for players deciding to "bet on yourself" but at this point it seems like he has lost that bet. What happens when the offer the Ravens made is the best offer he receives? Does he sit out the year or play on the tag?

Better question is why wouldn’t Beyoncé do it again on a one year franchise tag? If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it Baltimore.

 

[dickey moe]

You're your own agent Lamar. Go get something done elsewhere pal

Or going to refuse to work and sit this one out too?

Not sure it would play out that way. As I mentioned several pages ago, this is starting to look like the NBA where star players can demand a trade (and usually get it). If the Ravens don't trade him, he could make the situation untenable. All he has to do is what is contractually required. At this point, he doesn't have to sign the franchise tender yet, so he could skip out on everything team related for months. Then he could sign it right before the season starts and be guaranteed $32M. From there, all he had to do was practice and put forth marginal effort. Would BAL really want to start a QB not giving 100%? They could sit him all season like HOU did with Watson . . . but that would be a giant waste of money.

The Ravens have until mid-July to sign him to a long-term contract, get him to agree to the franchise deal, trade him, or remove the franchise tag and make him an UFA. Jackson could throw a wrench into the 2023 Ravens season, and depending upon what they do with him it could be a wasted season.

The writing has been on the wall for months.