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QB Marcus Mariota, WAS (2 Viewers)

So you watched one game and took two plays from it. It's pretty obvious because you even site the dropped interception on the one play... Heres the funny thing about the dropped interception play. The defender who dropped the ball had fallen down, Mariota made the pass to the WR in an area that only the defender who fell down and the receiver would have a chance to make the catch.

If you really watched the play, which you didn't, which is reflective of your entire analysis on Mariota, you'd see the receiver stopped, turned his head completely around to look at the fallen defender, and completely missed the pass that Mariota was throwing to him. So did Mariota make a poor decision on that play? Well, I'd argue not really. He threw the ball to an area where the defender had fallen down and his receiver would have made the catch if he would have stayed with the play/ball.

The other play you are referring to, which wasn't an interception, I believe it was on third/fourth down - he threw the ball back across the field to a receiver who was going to be wide open. This was a poor decision, but almost worked out before Mariota threw it too short and high (which is the reason you don't attempt to make throws across your body/to the other side of the field) letting the defender jack up the receiver who had to jump and was left in a vulnerable position.

I don't know if Mariota will be better than Winston, but your analysis should be discarded.
No, I just cited this game for some context. I've discussed many plays in this game outside of just these two in others threads... You're well aware of that, though. I've watched plenty of Mariota. The first play you refer to either isn't the correct play I'm talking about or you're just way off. It happens at the 11:49 mark of the second half. Mariota doesn't have his first read open, bails on the pocket to his right, keeps eyeing primary even motioning with his hands to have him move to another location, eventually bails on this target by throwing late, off balance, over the middle and high to a WR perfectly covered by the over top S who drops the easy pick. There is no good excuse for this terrible decision. Here is a link to the game to refresh your memory.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marcus-mariota-vs-fsu-2014/

The second you just acknowledged was a poor decision. So why are you taking acception to my calling it a poor decision?

 
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So you watched one game and took two plays from it. It's pretty obvious because you even site the dropped interception on the one play... Heres the funny thing about the dropped interception play. The defender who dropped the ball had fallen down, Mariota made the pass to the WR in an area that only the defender who fell down and the receiver would have a chance to make the catch.

If you really watched the play, which you didn't, which is reflective of your entire analysis on Mariota, you'd see the receiver stopped, turned his head completely around to look at the fallen defender, and completely missed the pass that Mariota was throwing to him. So did Mariota make a poor decision on that play? Well, I'd argue not really. He threw the ball to an area where the defender had fallen down and his receiver would have made the catch if he would have stayed with the play/ball.

The other play you are referring to, which wasn't an interception, I believe it was on third/fourth down - he threw the ball back across the field to a receiver who was going to be wide open. This was a poor decision, but almost worked out before Mariota threw it too short and high (which is the reason you don't attempt to make throws across your body/to the other side of the field) letting the defender jack up the receiver who had to jump and was left in a vulnerable position.

I don't know if Mariota will be better than Winston, but your analysis should be discarded.
No, I just cited this game for some context. I've discussed many plays in this game outside of just these two in others threads... You're well aware of that, though. I've watched plenty of Mariota. The first play you refer to either isn't the correct play I'm talking about or you're just way off. It happens at the 11:49 mark of the second half. Mariota doesn't have his first read open, bails on the pocket to his right, keeps eyeing primary even motioning with his hands to have him move to another location, eventually bails on this target by throwing late, off balance, over the middle and high to a WR perfectly covered by the over top S who drops the easy pick. There is no good excuse for this terrible decision. Here is a link to the game to refresh your memory. http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marcus-mariota-vs-fsu-2014/

The second you just acknowledged was a poor decision. So why are you taking acception to my calling it a poor decision?
Just to nitpick here, because it goes to show your lack of attention to detail, the play happens at the 11:49 mark of the second quarter, not second half. Secondly, we are referring to the same play - again, your incompetence here is astounding. Watch the 10 seconds after the live play, and you'll see replay where a defender who is stumbling, getting up off the turf, a receiver who turns and looks at defender rather than staying with the ball, and a ball that was placed perfectly for the receiver to make a play on it.That's not a textbook throw by any means, but its a situational throw where Mariota saw exactly what he had to work with and made a good play, only to be let down by his wide receiver and bailed out by a hands of stone defender. Seriously, go watch the play again and explain to me why he receiver would turn his head in that situation?

There's another play I'm not going to bother to go find that was a better example of what you're trying to get at.

At either case, all you can cite is this one game because that's the only game you watched of his. Maybe you watched the national championship too, I'm not sure. If you really watched him, your analysis would mention nothing about scrambling unnecessarily, breaking off plays too early, or having trouble with reads.

Its obvious to me, and anyone who really watched Mariota this year, if the kid has faults it is not with his pocket presence, decision to run, or progressions. Stat morons will say things like that.

 
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CE, the thin layer of credibility you were grasping at just disappeared. Well done.

Time to retire this alias.

 
CE, the thin layer of credibility you were grasping at just disappeared. Well done.

Time to retire this alias.
I understand that you've done nothing but looked at stats and have no ability to evaluate. I would also recommend a quick tutorial on the difference between exception, acception (or just a browser with spell check) and the difference between too and to.

That way when you make horrible analysis you can at least try to disguise your education level.

 
jurb is a well known hater he hates everyone and everything. Spit the hook.
I see you've brought out some familiar trolls. Contrary to what you might think, I don't hate Mariota. I like him as a top 10 pick. Just not as THE top pick or ahead of Winston. He needs development and time. He's got nice tools to work with, physically. I'd like to see him go somewhere he can sit for a while but that seems unlikely. This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by CR69. View it anyway?

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Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is like "a better Colin Kaepernick," said an NFL scout.

"Kid's a good athlete," the scout said. "I kind of like him. But he's not a passer right now. He's a thrower. He's like a better Colin Kaepernick. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but this kid is kind of quiet. He's going to be a project the first year. But, other than Andrew Luck, all those guys are." Mariota ran a 4.52 forty with a 10-yard split of 1.57 this weekend. You know he'll put the time in to be a good pro," said another scout. "That's about as big an obstacle as there is at the position: guys that are willing to put in the time."

Source: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

Feb 22 - 7:34 PM
 
So you watched one game and took two plays from it. It's pretty obvious because you even site the dropped interception on the one play... Heres the funny thing about the dropped interception play. The defender who dropped the ball had fallen down, Mariota made the pass to the WR in an area that only the defender who fell down and the receiver would have a chance to make the catch.

If you really watched the play, which you didn't, which is reflective of your entire analysis on Mariota, you'd see the receiver stopped, turned his head completely around to look at the fallen defender, and completely missed the pass that Mariota was throwing to him. So did Mariota make a poor decision on that play? Well, I'd argue not really. He threw the ball to an area where the defender had fallen down and his receiver would have made the catch if he would have stayed with the play/ball.

The other play you are referring to, which wasn't an interception, I believe it was on third/fourth down - he threw the ball back across the field to a receiver who was going to be wide open. This was a poor decision, but almost worked out before Mariota threw it too short and high (which is the reason you don't attempt to make throws across your body/to the other side of the field) letting the defender jack up the receiver who had to jump and was left in a vulnerable position.

I don't know if Mariota will be better than Winston, but your analysis should be discarded.
No, I just cited this game for some context. I've discussed many plays in this game outside of just these two in others threads... You're well aware of that, though. I've watched plenty of Mariota.The first play you refer to either isn't the correct play I'm talking about or you're just way off. It happens at the 11:49 mark of the second half. Mariota doesn't have his first read open, bails on the pocket to his right, keeps eyeing primary even motioning with his hands to have him move to another location, eventually bails on this target by throwing late, off balance, over the middle and high to a WR perfectly covered by the over top S who drops the easy pick. There is no good excuse for this terrible decision. Here is a link to the game to refresh your memory.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marcus-mariota-vs-fsu-2014/

The second you just acknowledged was a poor decision. So why are you taking acception to my calling it a poor decision?
Too bad he isn't good enough to make plays like this.

 
Rotoworld:

Marcus Mariota - QB - Ducks

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota impressed NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock with his footwork on Saturday.

"You can see how athletic he is," Mayock said. "He ran the 4.5. You can see that translate to his dropbacks, a sense of urgency with his feet. I know he'll be able to adapt to being able to get under center. It's the pocket awareness part that you can't tell out here. Physically, he'll be able to do all the things they ask of him." Most believe that Jameis Winston is going No. 1 to the Bucs, but even Mayock, one of the most plugged-in commentators in the business, has no ideas what the Titans intend to do at No. 2. Mayock said the team's plans might not become clear until the night of Day 1. CBS Sports' Rob Rang, meanwhile, posited after Saturday's workouts that it is "growing increasingly likely that Winston and Mariota will be the first two selections."

Source: NFL.com

Feb 22 - 11:42 PM
 
Rotoworld:

Since there's "very minimal proof" on tape of Oregon QB Marcus Mariota as a pocket passer, NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock believes "it's a leap of faith" with Mariota for most teams.
"He's the classic case of 'OK, all these individual components work. How much do we believe that he can transition into the role of NFL pocket passer?'" Mayock said. "Since there's very minimal proof of it on tape, it's a leap of faith. And I think most people are going to take that leap because the kid is so solid, so smart and so hardworking, they believe he'll be able to do it." The Heisman Trophy winner has shown poise in the pocket, with the ability to use his mobility as a passer and not just a runner to locate his targets downfield. Mariota has also shown that he's been able to fit the ball into tight windows when needed.

Source: NFL.com
Feb 24 - 3:30 PM
 
At least Mariota is in good company:

That's funny. Below is a quote from the great Phil Simms on Andrew Luck before he was a pro:

"But the one thing I don’t see, I just don’t see big time NFL throws. I don’t care what anybody says. I’ve watched a lot of him. He never takes it and rips it in there. And you can say what you want but, man, you’ve got to be able to crease that ball every once in a while. There’s not a lot of rotation on the ball and there’s not a tremendous amount of power.
 
So you watched one game and took two plays from it. It's pretty obvious because you even site the dropped interception on the one play... Heres the funny thing about the dropped interception play. The defender who dropped the ball had fallen down, Mariota made the pass to the WR in an area that only the defender who fell down and the receiver would have a chance to make the catch.

If you really watched the play, which you didn't, which is reflective of your entire analysis on Mariota, you'd see the receiver stopped, turned his head completely around to look at the fallen defender, and completely missed the pass that Mariota was throwing to him. So did Mariota make a poor decision on that play? Well, I'd argue not really. He threw the ball to an area where the defender had fallen down and his receiver would have made the catch if he would have stayed with the play/ball.

The other play you are referring to, which wasn't an interception, I believe it was on third/fourth down - he threw the ball back across the field to a receiver who was going to be wide open. This was a poor decision, but almost worked out before Mariota threw it too short and high (which is the reason you don't attempt to make throws across your body/to the other side of the field) letting the defender jack up the receiver who had to jump and was left in a vulnerable position.

I don't know if Mariota will be better than Winston, but your analysis should be discarded.
No, I just cited this game for some context. I've discussed many plays in this game outside of just these two in others threads... You're well aware of that, though. I've watched plenty of Mariota.The first play you refer to either isn't the correct play I'm talking about or you're just way off. It happens at the 11:49 mark of the second half. Mariota doesn't have his first read open, bails on the pocket to his right, keeps eyeing primary even motioning with his hands to have him move to another location, eventually bails on this target by throwing late, off balance, over the middle and high to a WR perfectly covered by the over top S who drops the easy pick. There is no good excuse for this terrible decision. Here is a link to the game to refresh your memory.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/marcus-mariota-vs-fsu-2014/

The second you just acknowledged was a poor decision. So why are you taking acception to my calling it a poor decision?
Too bad he isn't good enough to make plays like this.
Or hold up something like this.

 
Rotoworld:

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota climbed five spots in Daniel Jeremiah's latest rankings and now sits at No. 7.
Jeremiah also mock Mariota to the Rams in his latest projection of the first 32 picks, saying "The Rams can't rely on Sam Bradford to stay healthy, and Mariota would be a great fit with their current offensive personnel." We must say it: Mariota does not receive enough credit for his foundation quarterback traits of poise, patience, movement inside of structure and eye level in the face of pressure.

Source: NFL.com
Feb 27 - 9:12 AM
 
Rotoworld:

According to Philly Voice's Jimmy Kempski, "evidence continues to build" that the Eagles plan to trade up for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota.
We've followed Kempski's work for years and can't ever remember him being wrong. Most notably, he called the DeSean Jackson release well in advance. Kempski acknowledges he previously believed Philly moving up for Mariota was "unrealistic," but now "it appears the Eagles are determined to get their guy." Moving up from No. 20 into the top-two picks would likely cost Philadelphia most of its 2015 draft class, and a 2016 first-round pick.

Source: Philly Voice
Feb 27 - 1:53 PM
 
Rotoworld:

One NFL scout told the MMQB's Robert Klemko that Oregon QB Marcus Mariota "did much better on the board than expected."
"His football IQ was surprisingly good," the scout said. Expectations can lead to disappointment or surprise in a positive way. One question is why would Mariota performing well in this area be a surprise? He ran his offense at Oregon masterfully and displayed understanding and traits that transcended play calls. The whole "pro style" system has so much grey area to it, as there is more overlap in the NFL now than in recent memory. Fit schemes to the top talents on the team instead of being a stubborn coach stuck in your ways.

Source: The MMQB
Feb 27 - 10:04 AM
 
Rotoworld:

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is a better long-term prospect than Florida State QB Jameis Winston, according to NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt.
We'll find out the month after next if Tampa Bay's brass agrees. It's universally agreed that Winston is a superior short-term prospect, coming out of a pro-style offense at FSU. Mariota doesn't come with Winston's character concerns, but he'll be more of a project on the field due to his forthcoming acclimation to a standard pro scheme. The Duck prospect, however, is a tool shed of a prospect who combines quick-twitch athleticism, accuracy and pocket poise. We rank Mariota as the top prospect in the class.

Source: Gil Brandt on Twitter
Feb 28 - 4:20 PM
 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's Todd McShay believes the team drafting Oregon QB Marcus Mariota must incorporate "some up-tempo and zone-read elements into your offense while at the same time helping him improve at winning from inside the pocket, which is what he'll ultimately need to learn in order to have long-term success."
But just which team will that be? McShay believes the Jets at No. 6 are a realistic possibility if the Titans pass at No. 2. He also thinks the Rams, Eagles, and Texans are trade-up possibilities, while the Browns probably aren't after spending a Round 1 pick on Johnny Manziel last year. "I have no idea if [Chip Kelly would] be willing to give up as much as it would take to jump up 15 or more spots to get ahead of the Jets at No. 6 (and remember, Washington has the No. 5 pick; I don't think it'd be too eager to help its division rival Eagles get their guy at QB) -- likely in the neighborhood of two first-rounders plus other picks and/or players," McShay wrote. "He's already gotten adequate quarterback play from Nick Foles and Mark Sanchez -- does he want to give up that much just for Mariota?"

Source: ESPN Insider
Mar 1 - 9:39 PM
 
Rotoworld:

NFL Media analyst Bucky Brooks notes that, scouts are are concerned about Oregon QB Marcus Mariota's "ability to master dropback footwork."
"In addition, scouts are concerned about Mariota's ability to master dropback footwork, given that he extensively operated in the shotgun in Eugene. Although this would appear to be a minor adjustment on the surface, Mariota will need to retrain his eyes and feet to become a deadly passer from the pocket," Brooks wrote. NFL teams will be observing Mariota's progress from the combine, up until now. At his pro-day and private workouts, the Heisman Trophy Winner will have a huge opportunity to show off his football IQ, and his ability to succeed in the pocket during drills. The Ducks prospect is a top-five prospect in this years' draft.

Source: NFL.com
Mar 2 - 2:40 PM
 
He's a 6'4" RG3.

You guys never learn.
What if he's a 6'4" Russell Wilson?

There are many more failed QBs of all styles and body types than there are successful QBs of any style and body type.
Russell Wilson is limited. He benifits a from a great D and great RB. He is slightly above a game manager.
Russell Wilson has been in the top 10 in yards/attempt and passer rating every year he's been in the league. He's also rushed for over 1800 yards and 11 TDs. Oh, and went to the Super Bowl twice and won once. Sure, he was fortunate to wind up on a good team, but he is either #1 or #2 when you're looking at the best young QBs in the league.

(By the way, Trent Dilfer's QB rating? 70.2).

 
Rotoworld:

Trading for Sam Bradford won't affect the Eagles' interest in a potential trade for Oregon QB Marcus Mariota, according to NFL Media.

The site points out that Bradford was never a runner in college, even before his multiple ACL surgeries, and is an unnatural fit in Chip Kelly's offense. "Will they attempt to trade up and get Mariota?" pondered Mike Huguenin. "Bradford gives the Eagles a bargaining chip ... Perhaps some version of Bradford, a package of draft picks for this year and future years (as well as another player) could be used to move up in the first round to nab Mariota." We find it a little farfetched that a team picking above the Eagles would pass on the opportunity to trade for Bradford themselves and then suddenly view him as a valuable trade chip six weeks later. That said, we also don't think Tuesday's trade precludes a Mariota deal. Mariota would be served just fine learning for one season before Bradford hits free agency. And, let's be honest: The odds of Bradford starting 16 games in Philly this season are equal to the Phillies odds of winning this fall's World Series.

Source: NFL.com
Mar 10 - 9:23 PM
 
Rotoworld:

The Titans will put Oregon QB Marcus Mariota through a private workout following his pro day, according to Alex Marvez.

We expect representatives from every single team to attend Oregon's pro day, not just for Mariota but also for Jake Fisher, Arik Armstead and others. There is a lot of talk of where Mariota could land once the passing the top two picks, but we think there is a strong possibility the Bucs or Titans select a quarterback. Ken Whisenhunt does not have a vast history of investing in young quarterbacks, however.

Source: Alex Marvez on Twitter
Mar 10 - 10:11 AM
 
Rotoworld:

The Titans will put Oregon QB Marcus Mariota through a private workout following his pro day, according to Alex Marvez.

We expect representatives from every single team to attend Oregon's pro day, not just for Mariota but also for Jake Fisher, Arik Armstead and others. There is a lot of talk of where Mariota could land once the passing the top two picks, but we think there is a strong possibility the Bucs or Titans select a quarterback. Ken Whisenhunt does not have a vast history of investing in young quarterbacks, however.

Source: Alex Marvez on Twitter
Mar 10 - 10:11 AM
He's only been a head coach for 7 years...his first 3 in AZ he had Warner and then he only drafted 5th and 6th rounders. Maybe if he had drafted Flacco in the 1st instead of DRC in 2008 he'd still be coaching in AZ.

 
Rotoworld:

ESPN's John Clayton essentially guaranteed that the Redskins would take Oregon QB Marcus Mariota if he's available at the No. 5 overall pick.

Clayton said there's no way Mariota would last until the Jets' No. 6 overall pick. "(Redskins owner) Dan Snyder might not think there’s quarterback issues, (but) Jay Gruden and everyone else in the front office thinks there’s quarterback issues," Clayton said. It's not a surprise the Redskins' revised front office is already questioning Robert Griffin III's future in Washington, but this will be a moot point if Mariota is a top-four pick, as expected.

Related: Redskins

Source: CSN Washington
Mar 11 - 8:36 AM
 
He's a 6'4" RG3.

You guys never learn.
What if he's a 6'4" Russell Wilson?

There are many more failed QBs of all styles and body types than there are successful QBs of any style and body type.
Russell Wilson is limited. He benifits a from a great D and great RB. He is slightly above a game manager.
Yes, Russ is limited. But he's a WAY above average game manager. And that's a skill fans always underrate. SB QBs in the modern era are a who's who of game managers, while one-man shows notoriously struggle the deeper you go into the postseason.And I do think Mariota's skill set and decision-making give him very similar upside. Unfortunately, since he's viewed as an elite prospect rather than a mid-rounder, he's likely to end up on a team with a paucity of talent, and be called upon to win games outright. No QB with a game manager makeup is going to succeed in that capacity. Pity he can't miracle his way onto Buffalo.

MM is a lot more likely to rise from the ashes and shock the world on his second team, after he's already been written off. He desperately needs a team with a good defense, so he can milk scores out of the field position game, then sit on leads by playing opportunistic, mistake-free ball. That's the real talent he brings to the NFL. He can't Andrew Luck or Dan Marino his way to 10 win seasons.

 
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Mariota Pro-Day on NFLN right now. Not going very well. Lots of questions of his accuracy. People saying they didn't see it in game footage and not seeing it now. Particularly on deep passes.

 
Mariota Pro-Day on NFLN right now. Not going very well. Lots of questions of his accuracy. People saying they didn't see it in game footage and not seeing it now. Particularly on deep passes.
Very inaccurate on deep throws (usually overthrown, shockingly off). Should look better in a scripted workout throwing against air. Unimpressive so far.

 
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