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QB Sam Darnold, SEA (2 Viewers)
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-OZ-
Footballguy
Trey Lance getting traded? Or is this just a 3rd string when Purdy returns.
Boston
Footballguy
Veteran depth...Lance and Purdy both still have their questions so why not bring in a veteran with starting experience...he also has never had legit coaching so who knows, maybe Shanny can fix him up a little.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Upgrade over Josh Johnson.
Low bar, yes.
Low bar, yes.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The latter. And possibly reason for concern about Purdy’s timeline.
-OZ-
Footballguy
As an owner of Lance and darnold in sf I’m sorta curious about trading for Purdy. But probably not
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It’s actually a good spot for Darnold and I wouldn’t be shocked if he’s more than competent in that system and with those weapons.
Purdy has to be of some concern due to his injury and like you said, Lance still is an unknown - Darnold may see snaps at some point.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Sounds plausible.
efactor
Footballguy
Yeah, I don’t think anyone doubts Darnolds ability as a pure passer. Unfortunately, processing information when there are 11 defenders is an integral part of playing the position.
Hard to believe Darnold is only 25. Maybe being in the right system will help him take the next step. Steve Young had the same question marks until he didn’t.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I actually think if he does play he could win games and be effective in that system. He has underrated mobility and it may hide his biggest weakness which is processing and decision making. It was just a dumb statement by the beat guy (even if not in context) given the Niners’ history at QB.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Imagine trading all that for a QB, and then having that guy losing out to Sam Darnold. Of course, I root for a team that traded up for Darnold in the first place, so....
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I hate that I nailed this kid being a bust from the get-go, esp considering the year prior to him being drafted, I wanted him oh so badly.
Then again, I was all over Mayfield being the #1 qb, and he turned out just a tad less
than darnold.
Chaka
Footballguy
IDK. Personally I think the situation a player ends up in is just as important for the development of the player as their raw ability. I doubt Patrick Mahomes would be 1/5th of the player he is today if he ended up on Todd Bowles's New York Jets with Jeremy Bates as his OC. I would love to have seen the player Darnold could have become if Andy Reid had drafted him.
I hate that I nailed this kid being a bust from the get-go, esp considering the year prior to him being drafted, I wanted him oh so badly.
Then again, I was all over Mayfield being the #1 qb, and he turned out just a tad less
Putting a guy like Darnold, who no doubt has the physical tools, under center on a Shanahan coached team should not be dismissed.
Now, with Purdy and Lance already there it is unlikely Darnold will get the shot to turn his career around but if he does, don't be shocked if he truly impresses.
dmac37
Footballguy
It sounds like Lance is done in SF. We all know Purdy looked good last year but I really think Darnold can win the job if Purdy sits out long enough or if there is a wide open competition for QB1. I don't know enough about either but I would assume going by draft capital that Darnold has much more physical tools for Shany to work with.
Chaka
Footballguy
Darnold will probably never amount to much more than a career backup. That outcome should be the heavy betting favorite.
But the QB position is unique in the way physical tools deteriorate. It doesn't make a difference if a guy like Darnold loses a tenth of a second on his 40 time (or ten tenths). So long as the arm talent and work ethic hold up he'll have a job. Most backup QBs fail because they lack that arm talent and no amount of work ethic will change that.
The process of being in a QB room daily and getting regular practice reps, even with the twos, helps keep the tools polished and the brain sharp.
If Darnold has the drive, I don't know if he truly does, and gets a little lucky, his NFL story may not be completely written. Geno Smith quietly grinded for six seasons before getting the chance to change his narrative.
I mention all that because I just took a quick look at the Jets team Darnold was drafted to and man, I feel sorry for him.
Year One: Todd Bowles and Jeremy Bates (who is out of football entirely) in year one. Isaiah Crowell & Chosen Anderson as his top skill guys.
Year Two: Welcome to the Adam Gase #### Show v.1 with LeVeon Bell & Jamison Crowder leading the way.
Year Three: Out with LeVeon and in with Frank Gore. Interesting fact about Gore is if you look at his long form birth certificate he was 57 years old in 2020.
What rookie QB would have even tread water in that situation, let alone excelled?
Makes sense that Saleh tore everything down. But poor Darnold gets sent to the Panthers for the Matt Rhule Era (There was one?).
Again, Darnold is solidly on the career backup trajectory and that is unlikely to change. But the QBs in front of him are highly suspect. Lance still has thrown a total of 374 passes since 2018. Brock, could be the next Brady, but teams have had a full off-season to watch film on him and his arm is limited. You can talk to me all day about recoveries l and I am certain we will read puff pieces about how his arm is stronger because of rehab. But he had a significant injury to his already limited throwing arm.
There is a universe where Darnold becomes the #1 QB on one of the best teams im football. And it's not that difficult to get there.
But the QB position is unique in the way physical tools deteriorate. It doesn't make a difference if a guy like Darnold loses a tenth of a second on his 40 time (or ten tenths). So long as the arm talent and work ethic hold up he'll have a job. Most backup QBs fail because they lack that arm talent and no amount of work ethic will change that.
The process of being in a QB room daily and getting regular practice reps, even with the twos, helps keep the tools polished and the brain sharp.
If Darnold has the drive, I don't know if he truly does, and gets a little lucky, his NFL story may not be completely written. Geno Smith quietly grinded for six seasons before getting the chance to change his narrative.
I mention all that because I just took a quick look at the Jets team Darnold was drafted to and man, I feel sorry for him.
Year One: Todd Bowles and Jeremy Bates (who is out of football entirely) in year one. Isaiah Crowell & Chosen Anderson as his top skill guys.
Year Two: Welcome to the Adam Gase #### Show v.1 with LeVeon Bell & Jamison Crowder leading the way.
Year Three: Out with LeVeon and in with Frank Gore. Interesting fact about Gore is if you look at his long form birth certificate he was 57 years old in 2020.
What rookie QB would have even tread water in that situation, let alone excelled?
Makes sense that Saleh tore everything down. But poor Darnold gets sent to the Panthers for the Matt Rhule Era (There was one?).
Again, Darnold is solidly on the career backup trajectory and that is unlikely to change. But the QBs in front of him are highly suspect. Lance still has thrown a total of 374 passes since 2018. Brock, could be the next Brady, but teams have had a full off-season to watch film on him and his arm is limited. You can talk to me all day about recoveries l and I am certain we will read puff pieces about how his arm is stronger because of rehab. But he had a significant injury to his already limited throwing arm.
There is a universe where Darnold becomes the #1 QB on one of the best teams im football. And it's not that difficult to get there.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Even then, he started out pretty well there. Needs the rest of the squad around him to be good. I know a team that fits that criteria.
I'm not sure he's not a top 10 qb in this offense and I'm not sure he's not the winner coming out of training camp
Not sure what kface is saying?
I'm also not sure...nor do i want to admit what i'm sure of
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Darnold might be the best backup QB in the league. Imo
Yeah but can he run the offense efficiently or not spit the bit, like he has in the past?
drummer
Footballguy
GEQBUS TIME!
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Who knows. It's a lot different when u have had to carry a team compared to just run an offense. This might literally be the best position he has ever been in to be successful. Has the tools. We about to find out if he has the mental portion.
rockaction
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree. Darnold has the talent. Sitting and watching might have helped him mature as a QB. Some guys are not ready for a baptism by fire.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I thi I he could, if it were apples & apples.
If Deebo is back that’ll help. Trent still isn’t practicing, so it might be a challenge protecting Darnold. And he’s not as instinctive of a player as Purdy, which concerns me a bit.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Deebo is out til after the bye
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah - so depleted of weapons, and without their best OL. Gonna be a tough test for Darnold. Bengals D can get after it a little.
I think it’s a winnable game, but it’s not going to be an easy one for Darnold. He can’t make mistakes.
Wouldn’t be shocked to see 50 carries between CMC & Mitchell.
drummer
Footballguy
It's a game where the defense has to show up (see: Nick Bosa, where ya been?), and dumb the offense down a bit. play a little more vertical than horizontal on the passing offense, and win the turnover battle. They are at home, which helps Moody out. They also have to get Jordan Mason involved, he's there, find a way to get him some more carries. I get the whole "Run CMC" offense, but now with Darnold (like the good 'ol sweet Carolina days), and CMC is not 100%. At home, it's always the 49ers game to lose, mistakes and sloppy play into another "we beat ourselves" loss that won't bode well going into the bye week if they don't focus on winning this just one game. Things got real all of the sudden after the Dallas game. Now it's on them to show how real the 49ers are.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree completely. Especially the 1st part. D has been
I think the game plan for the Bengals would be to force Darnold to throw and put extra men up to contain CMC. I think they could play back when Mitchell is in. He's JAG.
