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QB Shedeur Sanders, CLE (2 Viewers)

Sanders was asked about Stefanski’s aggressiveness to go for it on fourth down in their own territory.

"I mean first that’s a rude question to ask if I think if it was a great call by my coach," Sanders said. "… I like being out there playing. So, whatever that comes with it comes with. We’re not going to be here and ever point no finger at no coach or do anything like that. That’s extremely disrespectful. That’s not even in my place."
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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/shed...e-question-about-browns-coachs-aggressiveness
 
Schmeabs said:
He sucks but did better than I expected today. Continue to play any defense against him.
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I was not a fan of how he handled the pre-draft process and I pretty much wrote him off due to that. He definitely has more upside than Gabriel, doesn’t mean much but credit to him for at least taking some shots down the field. Still a rookie with a lot to learn obviously, time will tell how much he can improve. That Gabriel pick in the 3rd still has me shaking my head, but Sanders at least has some upside.
 
As long as he keeps throwing to Fannin,I actually like Sanders a tiny bit more. And can't fkn believe I said that..
I still can't stand Sanders. But thanks for making Fannin your number one target..
 
23/42 364 yards 3 passing TDs 1 Int. 3 carries, 29 yards and a rushing TD for a total of 4 TDs on the day.
Down 8 Sanders drove the Browns down and threw a high soft pass for a touchdown to Harold Fannin Jr. Quinshon Judkins was supposed to pitch the ball on a reverse for a 2 point conversion, but messed up the exchange. Titans win 31 - 29.
 
Shedeur Sanders completed 23-of-42 passes for 364 yards, three touchdowns and an interception in the Browns’ 31-29, Week 14 loss to the Titans, adding three rushes for 29 yards and a fourth score.

Everyone will be ready with calm, rational takes after this one. The subject of some of the wildest internet debates in recent memory, Sanders hasn’t necessarily proven he’s “good,” but he has proven to be miles ahead of fellow Browns rookie Dillon Gabriel. In fact, his Titans performance was ahead of every Browns first-year quarterback ever, as he became the first Cleveland rookie to account for 300-plus passing yards, two-plus passing scores, and a rushing touchdown in the same game. As was the case the past few weeks, some of his yardage came on some marathon YAC jobs by his pass catchers, but his biggest throw was a 60-yard touchdown strike to Jerry Jeudy where Sanders hit his man on a crossing route. His other aerial scores were a lofted one-yarder to David Njoku in the end zone and a seven-yarder to Harold Fannin near the goal line. His rushing score also went for seven yards with the Browns trailing 31-17 in the fourth quarter. The Browns had a chance to tie the game at 31 with 1:03 remaining, but inexplicably took Sanders off the field in favor of a disastrous trick play. Again, Sanders still has a long ways to go, but he’s avoiding negative plays much more than expected and, unlike Gabriel, actually hitting some big ones. The Titans were a soft matchup, but Chicago is not a stay-away unit for Week 15. That being said, with all 32 teams active, Sanders will still be a borderline superflex threat because of his relative lack of rushing chops and ordinary skill corps.
- Rotoworld
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N Zone said:
23/42 364 yards 3 passing TDs 1 Int. 3 carries, 29 yards and a rushing TD for a total of 4 TDs on the day.
Down 8 Sanders drove the Browns down and threw a high soft pass for a touchdown to Harold Fannin Jr. Quinshon Judkins was supposed to pitch the ball on a reverse for a 2 point conversion, but messed up the exchange. Titans win 31 - 29.
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Yeah, Judkins had a massive brain freeze on that 2pt conversion after a nice drive by the offense.
 
Chaka said:
Say what you will about the kid but, he's clearly brings much more to the table than Dillon Gabriel.

How Gabriel was a 3rd round pick is almost as head scratching as Sanders falling to the 5th. Maybe moreso.
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Came here to post this and saw your message. So many want this kid to fail due to his personality. I don’t like it either. However, he’s proving his doubters wrong.
 
Uncle Leo said:
Chaka said:
Say what you will about the kid but, he's clearly brings much more to the table than Dillon Gabriel.

How Gabriel was a 3rd round pick is almost as head scratching as Sanders falling to the 5th. Maybe moreso.
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Came here to post this and saw your message. So many want this kid to fail due to his personality. I don’t like it either. However, he’s proving his doubters wrong.
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It was the Titans so, blah blah grain of salt etc but, he did what you would expect a QB to do against the Titans. It was a great game. I'd like to see better accuracy for sure but, he's definitely pushing the ball down field (8.7 y/a today).

He looked good for most of the game

Can you imagine what this thread would look like if he had a terrible game?
 
Chaka said:
Uncle Leo said:
Chaka said:
Say what you will about the kid but, he's clearly brings much more to the table than Dillon Gabriel.

How Gabriel was a 3rd round pick is almost as head scratching as Sanders falling to the 5th. Maybe moreso.
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Came here to post this and saw your message. So many want this kid to fail due to his personality. I don’t like it either. However, he’s proving his doubters wrong.
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It was the Titans so, blah blah grain of salt etc but, he did what you would expect a QB to do against the Titans. It was a great game. I'd like to see better accuracy for sure but, he's definitely pushing the ball down field (8.7 y/a today).

He looked good for most of the game

Can you imagine what this thread would look like if he had a terrible game?
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I’d like to reassert that I don’t think he will be great, but who knows? I do know that GMs that did something like, say, reach at least three rounds for a WR like Arian Smith in the 4th when Sanders was right there for the having don't seem to understand positional value, and maybe thouht about but dismissed (?) the reality that the range of payoffs if from failure to starter with Sanders has an exponential payoff compared to Smith's and should have run to the podium to pass the paper in to the official overseeing the selections so that no confusion could possibly arise. (And I know about reaches and how they bust disastrously but that also on the flip side guys that fall in the draft are like weighted knives and you ought to move out the way.) But even with that in mind, anybody who considers measuring variables to be part of their job who then goes for a guy who can really run but never drew targets in college and had bad hands on top of it (insert obligatory caveat about drops not being a "sticky" stat year over year) is not smartly considering the value of that particular pick whatsoever. This should have been a no-brainer even if Sanders winds up flopping like your uncle into his beer cans after another crappy night of Justin Fields QB’ing your team and fans into oblivion.

TL;DR Regardless of how this winds up, if there’s a potential starting QB on the board in the 4th round of the draft (I wanted second but can be talked down) it’s malpractice not to take a shot and a look at him.
 
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Next Gen Stats
Shedeur Sanders averaged 3.57 seconds to throw in Week 14 against the Titans, the 2nd-longest by a QB in a game this season.

The Titans pressured Sanders on 63.0% of his dropbacks, the highest pressure rate of any defense in a game this season.

#TENvsCLE | #DawgPound
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Shedeur Sanders, Dropbacks 4+ Seconds ⏱️

Week 14 vs TEN
🔸 2/9, 24 yards, INT (-11.9 EPA)

NFL Career (First 4 Games, Weeks 11-14)
🔸 4/23, 69 yards, INT (-36.8 EPA)

Sanders holds for longer than four seconds on 22.3% of his dropbacks (next closest QB: Caleb Williams, 16.7%).
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Definitely still holes in his game, which detractors will continue to point out. But can’t deny that he’s been a lot better than expected after having virtually no reps with the first team offense until a few weeks ago. Get him a QB whisper next year and we may have something here.
 
Solid statistical game, looked good at times. Looked bad at times and lost to the worst team in the NFL. But like others said, he’s learning so that’s a good sign.
I still think the browns have a good chance of drafting a QB high in April but perhaps they won’t be as desperate to trade up.
 
Capella said:
Whole *** staff and supposed genius head coach watched this guy and Gabriel every day and thought that pop gun arm was a better option.
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Could be less about evaluation and more about prioritizing risk management above all else. I know nothing and even I can see Sanders has a much higher ceiling. Obviously they see it too. It's not easy to reprogram yourself to accept your QB is going to make a few unthinkably bad decisions every single game and just go with it.
 
habsfan said:
Capella said:
Whole *** staff and supposed genius head coach watched this guy and Gabriel every day and thought that pop gun arm was a better option.
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Could be less about evaluation and more about prioritizing risk management above all else. I know nothing and even I can see Sanders has a much higher ceiling. Obviously they see it too. It's not easy to reprogram yourself to accept your QB is going to make a few unthinkably bad decisions every single game and just go with it.
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Also, could there have been orders from the FO to play the third-round pick before trying the fifth-round pick?
 
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Nice to see a good day posted. I’ve been on the Sanders won’t be a worthy starting NFL QB train for a while and sincerely hope I can come here in a while and eat some serious crow, because what some teams are putting out there as their starters is just not good. I’ll happily own being way wrong if he can develop into a quality QB.
 
Like him or hate him, the kid is giving them a reason to keep playing him. I didn't watch the game. I watched a few highlights and he looked like a real NFL QB. Box score obviously checks out. If he doesn't implode the rest of season the Browns will have some big decisions to make.
 
Capella said:
Whole *** staff and supposed genius head coach watched this guy and Gabriel every day and thought that pop gun arm was a better option.
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Same staff that watched him have the day he had, drove them down the field for the game tying opportunity, then pulled him off the field. I think you can remove the genius label.

I'm a Sanders doubter, but he was playing well, pulling him on the 2 pter was just gross negligence.
 
Pip's Invitation said:
habsfan said:
Capella said:
Whole *** staff and supposed genius head coach watched this guy and Gabriel every day and thought that pop gun arm was a better option.
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Could be less about evaluation and more about prioritizing risk management above all else. I know nothing and even I can see Sanders has a much higher ceiling. Obviously they see it too. It's not easy to reprogram yourself to accept your QB is going to make a few unthinkably bad decisions every single game and just go with it.
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Also, could there have been orders from the FO to pay the third-round pick before trying the fifth-round pick?
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Maybe I’m naive but I think they might have just thought he wasn’t ready yet and might actually think he could develop over a longer period. (Granted, more time in practice would have been useful).
Gabriel was more ready to be close to his potential, which isn’t great either.
 
The bad: The interception over the middle was just a horrendous decision. Cost them the lead and ultimately, the game. He continues to hover around the 50% completion mark. That will not cut it.

The good: He looked up to the task (albeit against a terrible team) in mounting the near comeback. Was impressed by his poise going down the stretch. Also made some really good throws in narrow pockets (like the Fannin touchdown).

Not sure what his future holds. Could end up being a quality starter someday. Too early to tell, but I think this game he showed he's better than Gabriel.
 
Pip's Invitation said:
so, could there have been orders from the FO to play the third-round pick before trying the fifth-round pick?
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I can't be convinced Gabriel was not a Stefanski pick. There could be other parties that need to fall on that sword as well, but I pin failed management of the rookie QB's solely on him until there's reason to believe otherwise.
Monkian said:
Capella said:
Whole *** staff and supposed genius head coach watched this guy and Gabriel every day and thought that pop gun arm was a better option.
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Same staff that watched him have the day he had, drove them down the field for the game tying opportunity, then pulled him off the field. I think you can remove the genius label.

I'm a Sanders doubter, but he was playing well, pulling him on the 2 pter was just gross negligence.
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So, here's the thing, the play call could have been spectacular. Re-watch it and look at the top of the screen - they got the look they wanted and if executed properly that's a score.

That said, why was it a stupid call anyway? That play's scripted to Malachi Corley. I am sure that's the one who has repped it at practice. He's been a nice find for those couple jet / reverse plays per game. Him and Quinshon in on that play and it's a score. That's the whole problem though. Corley was concussed early in the game, so Gage Larvadain was in instead. Those are the sort of gaffes that happen too frequently with this group. They trust the plays, rightfully so, but don't account for available personnel, and seem to be aloof to why execution fails so frequently on this team. It's a blind spot that's been there for years and there's no demonstrated reason to expect it to improve.
 
Judge Smails said:
He’s got a little Jameis Winston in him. I don’t hate it for fantasy
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Fair point - he just has to win some games or he’ll face the same fate as Winston in becoming a career backup and fantasy potential won’t matter.

He also surprisingly has added a bit of fantasy production with his legs - didn’t know that was part of his tool set.
 
The funny thing is (and I posted the QB Draft review from Thor Nystrom back in February EDIT: it seems to be gone but most of the piece is here) that Sanders to me had one of the highest floors of all the NFL rookies. I had no doubt if given a chance he could come in and run a decent offense.


After the draft, Thor had this to say:

Grading the Browns NFL Draft​

Cleveland Browns | Draft Grade: A

GM Andrew Berry channeled his inner Sonny Weaver Jr. during a wild 2025 draft—beginning with a shocking trade out of the Travis Hunter pick. Early on, it appeared the car could careen through the guardrails— but Berry’s vision ended up coalescing in a strong class that includes the acquisition of Jacksonville’s 2026 R1 pick.

Cleveland’s rare quarterback two-step began with the shocking decision to take Oregon’s Dillon Gabriel over Shedeur Sanders in Round 3 – only to circle back to Sanders two rounds later.

Gabriel is a pint-sized left-handed timing passer who’ll run your scheme for you. A 2024 Heisman Trophy finalist, Gabriel ranks No. 2 all-time in FBS passing yardage behind Houston’s Case Keenum. His processing, accuracy, and ability to follow a passing script and stay on time gave him the look of a long-term QB2 in the type of West Coast-type system that Cleveland runs.

Gabriel has the high floor. Sanders has the high ceiling. Sanders’ accuracy is an elite trait. He can put the ball wherever he wants it, to any sector of the field, shielding it from defenders and leading his receivers into space. Sanders maneuvers his receivers to clean catch points through placement, leading to primo YAC opportunities.

Last season, Sanders’ 81.8% adjusted accuracy percentage—five points ahead of Cam Ward’s 76.3%—ranked No. 2 among FBS quarterbacks, per PFF. Sanders was also 97th percentile in avoiding negative throws/dropback, per PFF. Last season, he ranked No. 3 in turnover-worthy play rate (1.2).

If Sanders shows up humbled, he could press for playing time immediately—he is clearly the most gifted quarterback on the roster. If he shows up defiant, his NFL career will be short-lived. The NFL seemed pretty intent to deliver that messaging.
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zamboni said:
Seems like his biggest weakness right now is holding onto the ball *way* too long, but that can probably be worked on.
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Yeah, I think they showed a graphic in one of the post games or it was an article where SS took over 4 seconds to throw the ball. Where Drake Maye (I believe was the other example) averages 2.7 seconds or something like that. Either way, he does hold on to the ball waaaay too long. He needs to learn how to read/process faster. I assume that will come with more experience.
 
Shedeur has had the luxury of playing the two worst teams in the league in two of his first three starts, but he has looked good at times and the offense definitely has more big play potential with him than Gabriel, so going with him for the rest of the season is the right choice, IMO. And as someone who has Fannin in his big money best ball league and is a reason why I am clinging to 1st place with three weeks to go, I support this. :cool:
 
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