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QB Trevor Lawrence, JAX (1 Viewer)
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
Who’s my pick?
Purdy or Lawrence?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Oh sorry. At some point in this thread I think I was discussing Lawrence as a Superflex option as that was where my head was at.
I have them in Superflex, so I choose them both! But if I had to roll one, I think I’d roll Purdy week 1.
Hartliner
Footballguy
I have TLaw in over Purdy rn. But I chase upside and I think this game could be lowkey shootout.
TampaMike19
Footballguy
How does T Law have more upside than Purdy? Purdy has had much higher ceiling games, specifically last year, and that was without CMC at times.
Is it because the over under? Panthers defense projected to be bad? Lawrence projected to do better this year? Seahawks defense on the road is no slouch?
Hartliner
Footballguy
Yea^ to all. Plus lack of prep time with sf receivers. Travis Hunter and BTJ are stronger receiver tandem imo.
QBs are super close in ranks, but I think bad D/ better matchup is the main rationale for me.
Also I am bullish on Liam Coen as OC. Maybe I’m ahead of myself.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
My Lawrence over Purdy decision had similar rationale. Plus I am starting Purdy in another league so I don’t completely lose out if he has a big game.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Benched Prescott for Lawrence this week
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Currently have Lawrence in over Mayfield but struggling on it. Vegas has the JAX and TB point totals almost exactly even.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Wow. I don’t have Mayfield but would gladly slot him in over Lawrence if I could. Wouldn’t even hesitate.
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
In over Goff I guess
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Was very tempted in some of the leagues to start him but ended up starting Stroud, Caleb and Fields instead, I just couldn't do it not until he can prove it.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Was my exact thinking his matchup is great but not like it's the first time. I'd rather not start him and he goes off then get burned.
rockaction
Footballguy
Ooh, boy. I'm watching guys that I think get a lot of things right utterly down on him.
This is Liam Coen describing all his missed throws to Brian Thomas
This is Doug Pederson describing all his missed throws one day
Scott Barrett of Fantasy Points is not sold
Proceed at your own risk. I'm completely ambivalent.
This is Liam Coen describing all his missed throws to Brian Thomas
This is Doug Pederson describing all his missed throws one day
Scott Barrett of Fantasy Points is not sold
Proceed at your own risk. I'm completely ambivalent.
Harjiran
Footballguy
He's got a ton of weapons and a great coach but I don't see a natural passer when I watch Trevor Lawrence. His throwing motion seems odd to me, a little awkward like he's shot-putting the ball or something, and there's a lack of fluidity or dexterity in his movements - he's heavy footed and heavy handed, maybe not a superior athlete like many of his QB peers? I don't know, I could be wrong, but it was enough for me to avoid Lawrence everywhere thus far. I think he's a decent QB2 in superflex but that's it.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Yep. I made a huge mistake there.
I see the flashes of superior QB play in Lawrence and they can be extended at times, but overall he just can’t seem to maintain that level of play. I was hoping he’d get past that plateau of inconsistency that he seems to be stuck on and CAR’s D was a perfect kickoff for that.
I’ll continue to hold him in dynasty - he’s a solid backup FF QB. I held Mayfield since drafting him as a rookie for the same reason - he showed some seriously superior skills early on and now he’s finally upped his game to bring that level of play consistently. But I won’t make the same mistake I did this week until Lawrence proves he can do it as a regular base of his game.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
duuuuuvallllllll
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
I think his teammates should shave his long head. Take him down a notch or two.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
Answering four questions following the Jaguars' dismal 31-27 loss to Cincinnati Bengals
Ryan O'HalloranJacksonville Florida Times-Union
How bad of a loss was this for the Jaguars?
Answer: This game was a giveaway. Point blank. Period.
Teams who are supposed to be good aren’t supposed to lose to a back-up quarterback (Jake Browning).
The Jaguars had the game in their hands just about all the way through — they didn’t trail until 18 seconds remaining.
What happen on Lawrence’s two first-half interceptions and why couldn’t they line up right in the first half?
Answer: Let’s start with Lawrence. The Jaguars only stopped themselves in the first half, rolling up 267 yards, but leading only 17-10.
Lawrence’s first interception, on the Jaguars’ second drive, came when he threw off his back foot after left tackle Walker Little was dusted by Bengals edge rusher Trey Hendrickson.
Lawrence’s second interception, on an over-the-middle throw, happened in part because Thomas made a business decision and didn’t extend his arms to either catch it or at least break it up. Bad look.
But on the final drive of the first half, an inexcusable error by Lawrence. On third-and-10 from Bengals’ 22, he crossed the line of scrimmage — and by a couple of yards — negating a defensive penalty in the end zone. The Jaguars settled for a field goal. Lawrence should know better.
As for the penalties, the Jaguars were called for four illegal shift flags in the second quarter alone. All were declined by Cincinnati, but that is troublesome for the Jaguars. Trouble hearing snap count or pre-snap shifts? Needs to be fixed.
After the game, coach Liam Coen said the staff will have to examine if there was too much in the game plan to combat the crowd noise and Hendrickson, forcing the errors.
He’s like the generic version of Danny Dimes.
All kidding aside I once started a text war on our group chat defending the generational talent. I was wrong.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Accuracy
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Just feeling the need to pop in here and admit defeat. I was wrong on Lawrence, at least for where my individual expectations were. Some of the problems this year aren't even the same problems he's had in the past. And with the level of talent I was ascribing him (not generational, the bar was never that high for me, which kind of makes it even more frustrating at this point), he should be better than he is this season with Coen, with BTJ, with a vastly improved line (compared to what it's been in past years), with a solid rushing game, and a defense that was kept them in games and left him in a position to secure wins for his team. And he just hasn't done it. Something is up with BTJ for sure. But at this point I just can't reasonable make excuses for Lawrence anymore and it's hard to believe there is another level of potential for him in what feels like the best situation he's had yet in his career.
I guess the upside is while I do have high ownership of him, it was mostly all low cost investments made over the past year or two when his value was outside QB1 range. Just still feels bad to be so off on this one. At this point it's hard not to believe the Jags couldn't swap Daniel Jones in there and find more success which is pretty pathetic.
I guess the upside is while I do have high ownership of him, it was mostly all low cost investments made over the past year or two when his value was outside QB1 range. Just still feels bad to be so off on this one. At this point it's hard not to believe the Jags couldn't swap Daniel Jones in there and find more success which is pretty pathetic.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I admire you for taking your lumps, but this isn't done yet. It doesn't look good, and I just checked to see what his history is. So it's not really a beacon of light towards greatness, but you never know. Damn, I want to be positive but I'm having a hard time. We will see if this is really who he is or if this gets turned around.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
How does this guy get jobs?
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
I'm picking him up in all leagues just so I can have the satisfaction of dropping him.
Exactly. While not great, his receivers (talking to you BTJ) have dropped a ton of balls.
They have also admitted they are still learning the playbook. Which, honestly, is inexcusable at this juncture.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Not unexpected though, right? How much have these guys played together? It's not just knowing the playbook, but knowing each other.
September football in the NFL is the new pre-season.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
It's certainly the organization itself as the "bad bulb".
Christening anybody into the league with Urban Meyer would scar them. As we've often seen, take Darnold with the Jets as another example, it's just near impossible for a QB to succeed when you're switching coaches and coordinators and schemes out literally every season.
I've often wondered as I've gotten older how many Brady's/Manning's/Mahome's we've missed out on because the crappy organization that took them at the top of the draft is (shocker) actually crappy and doesn't know how to set a young QB up for success.
That kind of organization vs examples like Mahomes or Rodgers who sat back and developed their guy and built a suitable roster around them before throwing them into the fire, almost like they had an actual plan to set him up for success.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah I'm not cutting him in dynasty or anything, but it will definitely effect the way I draft this upcoming year. And I probably should have listened to others more last offseason and taken a swing at a QB from the 2024 class. I didn't have a shot at Williams or Daniels, but I certainly could have scooped Nix who I did like. I just felt solid with Burrow, Love, TLaw, and a couple more years of Rodgers to pass over QBs for other guys I liked (took Ladd and Pearsall with two picks I had prior to Nix going off the board). Mistake in hindsight. Hope to have an opportunity to grab one from this upcoming class.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
I wondered the same and tried to read on it. Best answer I could come up with is he's a very nice and likable guy. I get it, shouldn't be prioritized over actually being good at your job lol. But it is noted several times by players and coaches of multiple organizations. And I can only imagine people in power want to lean towards hiring guys who will follow orders and not rock the boat. Especially if they don't see themselves as a "players coach", maybe they like Waldron to balance that out and be the so-called "mom" in a coach/player parental dynamic.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
They tore up the Panthers on the ground and moved the ball well. I expected him to go off against the Bengals and he kind of did. If his WRs catch a couple of those he has a monster day. Houston's defense is tough and the Jaguars got the win. Tampa didn't really take off offensively until week 4 last year either.
If they can clean up the drops he'll be a stud.
If they can clean up the drops he'll be a stud.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I think there is an institutional comfort under the guise of "professionalism" and its not limited to football in sports or even sports as a whole.
Its a hire that won't get you fired but is not going to lift you.
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