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QB Tua Tagovailoa, MIA (6 Viewers)

I'm shocked he's already made this statement.

I'd assume he's already had enough discussions with specialists who also agree. If not, jeesh.
Very likely he has no symptoms or minimal symptoms. Persistent symptoms is what could keep him out longer than the 4 weeks many are recommending. Some symptoms could appear appear later, per Mayo Clinic:

>>In most people, symptoms appear within the first 7 to 10 days and go away within three months. But sometimes they can last for a year or more. The goal of treatment is to manage symptoms.<<

Also, there hasn't been a case of a QB who hasn't been medically cleared to return from concussions per Barry Jackdon. Tua might be thinking of Trent Green who seems to still have all his marbles after multiple concussions. BTW, Barry Jackson is the Miami Herald writer extraordinaire (covers all sports well except Hockey & Soccer), whose recommendation was to let Tua play out his 5th year option because of the injury history and struggles vs playoff teams.

 
Of course he said that. His decision to not wear the Guardian Cap in the first place says there is some element of the game that he values more than his own safety, long term mental ability, and his life itself. It is clear that whatever it is that he values more, he's willing to risk his life every Sunday chasing it.

Personally, I'm sick of seeing it. There is another thread asking about how you feel about an injury helping your fantasy team and whether it's OK to have a positive emotional reaction when it happens. Now I wonder, if Tua ends up with brain damage and in 5 years he looks like Muhammad Ali did near the end of his life, if Tua ends up in a wheelchair, if God forbid Tua dies in a game... should I just shrug and think that it was his decision? Should I feel OK that he did it to himself? Is it acceptable to not care?
 
Of course he said that. His decision to not wear the Guardian Cap in the first place says there is some element of the game that he values more than his own safety, long term mental ability, and his life itself. It is clear that whatever it is that he values more, he's willing to risk his life every Sunday chasing it.

Personally, I'm sick of seeing it. There is another thread asking about how you feel about an injury helping your fantasy team and whether it's OK to have a positive emotional reaction when it happens. Now I wonder, if Tua ends up with brain damage and in 5 years he looks like Muhammad Ali did near the end of his life, if Tua ends up in a wheelchair, if God forbid Tua dies in a game... should I just shrug and think that it was his decision? Should I feel OK that he did it to himself? Is it acceptable to not care?

Young people always have an air of invincibility.
 
If Tua were to decide it's best to step away from the field and retire, Dolphins owe him $90M
If Tua tries to clear concussion protocol and Miami has to shut him down to keep him off the field, basically if Tua wants to continue his career, Miami owes him $125M
And finally I would say in an era where TV broadcasters make a fortune, I can see ESPN hiring Tua and sitting him next to Nick Saban on Gameday
No matter what he decides, Tua has made life changing money, he has 2 kids now and a wife, he needs to take a long step back and figure out what he wants
If one option was to retire immediately and get $90M dangling another $35-70M couldn’t get me to log in to a computer job remotely for the next 5 years, much less play NFL football at severely elevated risk of permanent disability
Not be to "That guy" but a big reason why guys are in the NFL, and why guys who were just really good at football, aren't, is because they are EXTREMELY competitive. Waking up at 5 AM to lift weights or throw passes or run sprints. The same thing that got guys like Tua this far, is the same reason why he's unlikely to be looking at this like people in this thread are. Tua (and really any NFL starter) is the highest level of the highest level. Something most people dedicate their entire life to, a few rare ones just have crazy athletic gifts and maybe aren't as committed. Those guys typically aren't QB's, and they damn sure aren't Tua, who is not here due to freakish tools.

This is the dream. This is what everything has been for, all those early mornings, all those reps, all those practices, all those interviews, EVERYTHING!!!!! I think the idea of "you've got your money, get out while you can" simply isn't a reality that many players live in. If it was, they never would have gotten this far in the first place. Andrew Luck was a GIGANTIC outlier. Maybe .001% of players would have hung it up in his shoes.

So, while I understand the feelings of those who think he should hang it up and look out for his health. I think that is highly unlikely to happen. Being an NFL QB is his identity. Its incredibly hard to convince someone to not be what they are, to give up what they've worked for, and that's applied to people significantly less fortunate/successful as Tua is.
I get all of that.

IQ is not his strong suit here. And his family should be imploring him. Not pundits, not doctors, not fans.

His family.

He will have long term brain issues if he keeps going. This is extremely dangerous because I have never seen in my 45 plus years of watching football fingers fencing like his…..not once, but twice on two head injuries.

He will do whatever he wants. It’s his life.
 
Wow. I didn't think the hit looked that bad. I assumed he would play next week. I think you guys are assuming the worst here.
It’s like his what…fourth concussion? That’s the reason for the alarm.
I get it, but compared to last year this was very mild looking. We will see I guess
He was knocked out, laying there and his fencing response started.

Fencing response - The fencing response is an unnatural position of the arms following a concussion. Immediately after moderate forces have been applied to the brainstem, the forearms are held flexed or extended (typically into the air) for a period lasting up to several seconds after the impact.

Nothing mild about that. It is so sad to see. After so many concussions he could have long term issues :( This was hard to watch
 
Simply baffling he didn't slide. I guess easy to say in the moment, but when you've had concussions...just don't get it
Hero Ball to justify the contract, ALL NIGHT LONG
He could have just slid but he started running out of the pocket, he has taken off earlier in the drive to convert a 3rd down that covered some distance
He got way too confident he could just run and pick up the FD
He actually did convert on 4th down but he should have slid

-And McDaniel called a terrible run on 3rd and 3 down 31-10 deep in Bills' territory
McDaniel deserves a good chunk of the blame tonight
McDaniels is going to be a wreck after this. The guy loves his players. He might have a hard time living with this and coaching with a full heart.

Maybe Flores was right, maybe Tua doesn't belong in the NFL
Not fair to say this at all. I know you didn't want Tua as the QB but c'mon man. Miami had been looking for a QB for 20 years and finally got one in Tua. He was a QB that let Miami compete and consistently aim for playoffs. Is Tua elite? No but he was a good QB and sure took a lot of heat. No one ever gave him a chance to keep improving. I give McDaniels credit for taking Tua under his arms and helping him with his game and confidence after the trash-bag Flores cut him down every day. Nothing about Flores was positive for the players.

I've said this before, people can cut down Tua and McDaniel but tell me where we are going to find someone better? Now that Tua is out we are in deep trouble. At least Tua gave us a chance and since we are on a fantasy board gave Hill, Waddle and the RBs life.
 
I'm shocked he's already made this statement.

I'd assume he's already had enough discussions with specialists who also agree. If not, jeesh.
Very likely he has no symptoms or minimal symptoms. Persistent symptoms is what could keep him out longer than the 4 weeks many are recommending. Some symptoms could appear appear later, per Mayo Clinic:

>>In most people, symptoms appear within the first 7 to 10 days and go away within three months. But sometimes they can last for a year or more. The goal of treatment is to manage symptoms.<<

Also, there hasn't been a case of a QB who hasn't been medically cleared to return from concussions per Barry Jackdon. Tua might be thinking of Trent Green who seems to still have all his marbles after multiple concussions. BTW, Barry Jackson is the Miami Herald writer extraordinaire (covers all sports well except Hockey & Soccer), whose recommendation was to let Tua play out his 5th year option because of the injury history and struggles vs playoff teams.


Chatter from McDaniel's this morning seems positive. Tua seems like he's in good spirits and he's not immediately going on IR.

Sounds like he'll be back sooner rather than later.
 
Real time my first thought was he is done playing football. As we move to today, I'm getting this weird feeling he is gonna return after missing a few games. Gonna be interesting.
 
Wow. I didn't think the hit looked that bad. I assumed he would play next week. I think you guys are assuming the worst here.
It’s like his what…fourth concussion? That’s the reason for the alarm.
I get it, but compared to last year this was very mild looking. We will see I guess
He was knocked out, laying there and his fencing response started.

Fencing response - The fencing response is an unnatural position of the arms following a concussion. Immediately after moderate forces have been applied to the brainstem, the forearms are held flexed or extended (typically into the air) for a period lasting up to several seconds after the impact.

Nothing mild about that. It is so sad to see. After so many concussions he could have long term issues :( This was hard to watch
I was watching without volume and did not see that at all
 
Real time my first thought was he is done playing football. As we move to today, I'm getting this weird feeling he is gonna return after missing a few games. Gonna be interesting.
Said it earlier in the thread, but I think week 4 is absolutely on the table. Its 18 days from the injury as they go from Thursday to Monday. As long as he isn't having any post-concussion symptoms he'll probably get cleared.
 
I'm shocked he's already made this statement.

I'd assume he's already had enough discussions with specialists who also agree. If not, jeesh.
Very likely he has no symptoms or minimal symptoms. Persistent symptoms is what could keep him out longer than the 4 weeks many are recommending. Some symptoms could appear appear later, per Mayo Clinic:

>>In most people, symptoms appear within the first 7 to 10 days and go away within three months. But sometimes they can last for a year or more. The goal of treatment is to manage symptoms.<<

Also, there hasn't been a case of a QB who hasn't been medically cleared to return from concussions per Barry Jackdon. Tua might be thinking of Trent Green who seems to still have all his marbles after multiple concussions. BTW, Barry Jackson is the Miami Herald writer extraordinaire (covers all sports well except Hockey & Soccer), whose recommendation was to let Tua play out his 5th year option because of the injury history and struggles vs playoff teams.


Chatter from McDaniel's this morning seems positive. Tua seems like he's in good spirits and he's not immediately going on IR.

Sounds like he'll be back sooner rather than later.
I'm not a doctor and know that brain stem injuries can be extremely bad, even leading to death but maybe this one wasn't as bad for his long term health. Maybe less concern than a different type of concussion? maybe it was different than his past ones?

I have no idea but the tests and doctors would know better. For his health I hope this one doesn't make things worse long term.
 
Simply baffling he didn't slide. I guess easy to say in the moment, but when you've had concussions...just don't get it
Hero Ball to justify the contract, ALL NIGHT LONG
He could have just slid but he started running out of the pocket, he has taken off earlier in the drive to convert a 3rd down that covered some distance
He got way too confident he could just run and pick up the FD
He actually did convert on 4th down but he should have slid

-And McDaniel called a terrible run on 3rd and 3 down 31-10 deep in Bills' territory
McDaniel deserves a good chunk of the blame tonight
McDaniels is going to be a wreck after this. The guy loves his players. He might have a hard time living with this and coaching with a full heart.

Maybe Flores was right, maybe Tua doesn't belong in the NFL
Not fair to say this at all. I know you didn't want Tua as the QB but c'mon man. Miami had been looking for a QB for 20 years and finally got one in Tua. He was a QB that let Miami compete and consistently aim for playoffs. Is Tua elite? No but he was a good QB and sure took a lot of heat. No one ever gave him a chance to keep improving. I give McDaniels credit for taking Tua under his arms and helping him with his game and confidence after the trash-bag Flores cut him down every day. Nothing about Flores was positive for the players.

I've said this before, people can cut down Tua and McDaniel but tell me where we are going to find someone better? Now that Tua is out we are in deep trouble. At least Tua gave us a chance and since we are on a fantasy board gave Hill, Waddle and the RBs life.
I get it but no players enjoy playing for guys like Flores that demand things...I'm just saying that I'm not sure ALL the Pats that won those 6 different Super Bowls, not sure how many of them enjoyed playing for Coach BB

-The media was so quick to make him a victim as well as Coach Mike McDaniel...not sure that's what I want in my franchise QB
I like QBs who don't get caught in the doghouse by their Head Coaches

Owner-Ross said when he fired Coach Flores "we don't measure success by wins and losses". ??? Well then what do you measure success with?
You can't make that stuff up even for a creative writer like myself

-I was apprehensive about Tua for the same reasons he is being scrutinized in the media right now, that doesn't make me a hater.
I drafted him in multiple redraft leagues this year. I was sold he could manage the Phins into the playoffs and I liked his arc since Coach MM arrived
My brain says he should reitre, my Dolphins' heart 💙 wants him to clear protocol as fast as possible and return to the field so 2024 isn't a total wash
What does that make me?
 
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Simply baffling he didn't slide. I guess easy to say in the moment, but when you've had concussions...just don't get it
Hero Ball to justify the contract, ALL NIGHT LONG
He could have just slid but he started running out of the pocket, he has taken off earlier in the drive to convert a 3rd down that covered some distance
He got way too confident he could just run and pick up the FD
He actually did convert on 4th down but he should have slid

-And McDaniel called a terrible run on 3rd and 3 down 31-10 deep in Bills' territory
McDaniel deserves a good chunk of the blame tonight
McDaniels is going to be a wreck after this. The guy loves his players. He might have a hard time living with this and coaching with a full heart.

Maybe Flores was right, maybe Tua doesn't belong in the NFL
Not fair to say this at all. I know you didn't want Tua as the QB but c'mon man. Miami had been looking for a QB for 20 years and finally got one in Tua. He was a QB that let Miami compete and consistently aim for playoffs. Is Tua elite? No but he was a good QB and sure took a lot of heat. No one ever gave him a chance to keep improving. I give McDaniels credit for taking Tua under his arms and helping him with his game and confidence after the trash-bag Flores cut him down every day. Nothing about Flores was positive for the players.

I've said this before, people can cut down Tua and McDaniel but tell me where we are going to find someone better? Now that Tua is out we are in deep trouble. At least Tua gave us a chance and since we are on a fantasy board gave Hill, Waddle and the RBs life.
I get it but no players enjoy playing for guys like Flores that demand things...I'm just saying that I'm not sure ALL th ePAts that won any of those 6 different Super Bowls, not sure how many of them enjoyed playing for Coach BB

-The media was so quick to make him a victim as well as Coach Mike McDaniel...not sure that's want I want in my franchise QB
I like QBs who don't get caught in the doghouse by their Head Coaches

Owner-Ross said what when he fired Coach Flores? "we don't measure success by wins and losses"
You can't make that stuff up even for a creative writer like myself

-I was apprehensive about Tua for the same reasons he is being scrutinized in the media right now, that doesn't make me a hater.
I drafted him in multiple redraft leagues this year. I was sold he could manage the Phins into the playoffs and I liked his arc since Coach MM arrived
My brains says he should reitre, my Dolphins' heart 💙 wants him to clear protocol as fast as possible and return to the field so 2024 isn't a total wash
What does that make me?
Good post, appreciate the reply. I guess I'm just frustrated with all the negativity directed towards Tua where the past 2 years the NFL has seen horrible QBing. Look at this year and how bad some of these QBs are. Then we have Tua going out there giving the fins a chance to compete each game and giving the playmakers a chance.

Concussions aside he's a lot better QB than what is posted or said on these boards. So many posts from people on here saying to get rid of Tua with zero plan and just say "draft the next guy".

Going back to 2021 draft there have been something like 15 QBs drafted in the first round. Only Stroud so far and Tlaw look like the best. So that means the jury is still out on the other 13 with some being downright aweful.

Every team is looking for the next elite QB, but more often than not the QB drafted fails. So I say this, Tua is a lot better than people make him out to be and for those that don't want Tua please provide a plan to get this next "elite" QB.
 
Tua Tagovailoa's latest concussion will sideline him for at least a month.
The Miami Dolphins are placing Tagovailoa on injured reserve, NFL Network Insiders Ian Rapoport and Mike Garafolo reported on Tuesday. He will miss at least the next four games before he's eligible to return, per NFL rules.
Rapoport and Garafolo added that the decision was made to give Tagovailoa ample time to progress through the stages of league's concussion protocol and meet with outside neurologists.
 
Good idea for the IR for his own health. Give him time so he doesn't have to rush a decision and can meet with more specialists.
 
Yeah, this is the way. Well done, all. I really like Tua the guy so I just want him to stick around this world in fine health. Also just love watching him play. Just hate seeing him get hit. I missed the last one (coaching soccer) and just wince when I see him scramble or run.
 
Of course he said that. His decision to not wear the Guardian Cap in the first place says there is some element of the game that he values more than his own safety, long term mental ability, and his life itself. It is clear that whatever it is that he values more, he's willing to risk his life every Sunday chasing it.

Personally, I'm sick of seeing it. There is another thread asking about how you feel about an injury helping your fantasy team and whether it's OK to have a positive emotional reaction when it happens. Now I wonder, if Tua ends up with brain damage and in 5 years he looks like Muhammad Ali did near the end of his life, if Tua ends up in a wheelchair, if God forbid Tua dies in a game... should I just shrug and think that it was his decision? Should I feel OK that he did it to himself? Is it acceptable to not care?
Maybe because I grew up in a household where our first sport was auto racing (where any race can be your last) but regardless of what happens the decision is Tua's. Not saying that I wouldn't feel bad if he ends up with long term effects but if he is medically cleared to play and choses to that is his choice and he seems like a smart enough guy to understand the risks. Now as a Miami fan at this point I'd be fine if he chose to step away either fully on his own or reaching a medical settlement with the team. Then we can begin the year after year process of trying to find a QB again.
 
Jesse Morse, MD
I don’t understand why Tua Tagovailoa is traveling 2,700+ miles from Miami to Seattle to be with the team when he should be resting and recovering from his concussion.

The concussion protocol is very specific and he shouldn’t stressing his brain or his body.

A round-trip cross-country flight is the polar opposite of what he needs right now.

Why have the team’s medical staff condoned this to happen?
 
The issue with head injuries is, yes, you can be cleared to play in a week or two. It's the issues 5, 10,15+ years down the line that will kill you or worse (see also: Chris Benoit). The brain isn't like an ACL or a fractured bone and doesn't heal that way. I know guys who only played high school ball who are now dealing with the repercussions of head injuries. It's not good and not as simple as "rub some dirt on it and get back out there."
 
Hes crazy for trying to come back
Sorry, has he announced this?
Not some specific date or anything but said he plans to return when he is cleared, yes.
If they care about him they will never clear him.
They care enough about him to treat him like a big boy who can make decisions.

I get it. To a point. But No one wants to see him die on the field.
 
Hes crazy for trying to come back
Sorry, has he announced this?
Not some specific date or anything but said he plans to return when he is cleared, yes.
If they care about him they will never clear him.
They care enough about him to treat him like a big boy who can make decisions.

I get it. To a point. But No one wants to see him die on the field.
I mean ... What about daredevils and other people who have extremely dangerous hobbies? Do we conclude everyone hates them?
 
Hes crazy for trying to come back
Sorry, has he announced this?
Not some specific date or anything but said he plans to return when he is cleared, yes.
If they care about him they will never clear him.
They care enough about him to treat him like a big boy who can make decisions.
The wrong one could cause him to be a veg at 50. He has more money than he can spend in multiple lifetimes, so I hope his family is in his ear in a good way.
 
Hes crazy for trying to come back
Sorry, has he announced this?
Not some specific date or anything but said he plans to return when he is cleared, yes.
If they care about him they will never clear him.
If they never clear him, they will be on the hook for $167 million, which I am pretty sure they would not want to pay him. I have seen reports that no player with a concussion has ever not been reinstated and cleared. I doubt that starts now.
 
Hes crazy for trying to come back
Sorry, has he announced this?
Not some specific date or anything but said he plans to return when he is cleared, yes.
Ah, I didn’t see that. When did he say this?
"Reportedly", yada yada yada.
 
Hes crazy for trying to come back
Sorry, has he announced this?
Not some specific date or anything but said he plans to return when he is cleared, yes.
Ah, I didn’t see that. When did he say this?
"Reportedly", yada yada yada.
Ian Rappaport reporting that doctors cleared him for the flight cross country and he'll actually have a headset on today.

This doesn't sound like a guy not planning on coming back when he's done with IR.

Seems like this is a best case scenario as far as his current symptoms go.
 
So many people talking **** about Tua. Well this last game is what happens when you don't have a good QB.

Miami is in trouble if Tua can't come back this year. And long term it is not good if Tua can't stay healthy.

So many "fans" wanted Tua gone.... whelp so much for the season if he is gone.
 
So many people talking **** about Tua. Well this last game is what happens when you don't have a good QB.

Miami is in trouble if Tua can't come back this year. And long term it is not good if Tua can't stay healthy.

So many "fans" wanted Tua gone.... whelp so much for the season if he is gone.
Was just thinking, of all the injuries this season, Tua's has probably been the biggest/most impactful. Its the only one that has basically sunken an entire offense.
 
So many people talking **** about Tua. Well this last game is what happens when you don't have a good QB.

Miami is in trouble if Tua can't come back this year. And long term it is not good if Tua can't stay healthy.

So many "fans" wanted Tua gone.... whelp so much for the season if he is gone.
True, but I think that Skylar simply doesn't have the skillset for what mcDaniel wants to run. The team looked better when Boyle took over. IF ONLY WE HAD TAKEN PURDY IN ROUND 7 INTEAD OF SKLAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
So many people talking **** about Tua. Well this last game is what happens when you don't have a good QB.

Miami is in trouble if Tua can't come back this year. And long term it is not good if Tua can't stay healthy.

So many "fans" wanted Tua gone.... whelp so much for the season if he is gone.
Agreed. Tua might be that system qb people claim he is, but he was damn productive in that scheme. I'd assume some of the scheme is specifically designed to his strengths also. Look. I feel for the kid, but who am I to say anything in response to his decision to keep playing? Absolutely avoid the hits that you can. If that means u have to punt, then you punt. And for goodness sake please wear that damn super helmet.
 
So many people talking **** about Tua. Well this last game is what happens when you don't have a good QB.

Miami is in trouble if Tua can't come back this year. And long term it is not good if Tua can't stay healthy.

So many "fans" wanted Tua gone.... whelp so much for the season if he is gone.
True, but I think that Skylar simply doesn't have the skillset for what mcDaniel wants to run. The team looked better when Boyle took over. IF ONLY WE HAD TAKEN PURDY IN ROUND 7 INTEAD OF SKLAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed. We have seen enough of the Skylar show. I would be a one read qb, but I could move the ball better then they are now.
 
So many people talking **** about Tua. Well this last game is what happens when you don't have a good QB.

Miami is in trouble if Tua can't come back this year. And long term it is not good if Tua can't stay healthy.

So many "fans" wanted Tua gone.... whelp so much for the season if he is gone.
In fairness I want to say the ones who want Tua gone want a better QB to step in for him. Thing is that guy isn’t on the roster currently, and it’s very hard to find QB’s who can perform at Tua’s level, even if he isn’t a mega star. He and Dak Prescott are kind of in the same boat in that regard IMO.
 
So many people talking **** about Tua. Well this last game is what happens when you don't have a good QB.

Miami is in trouble if Tua can't come back this year. And long term it is not good if Tua can't stay healthy.

So many "fans" wanted Tua gone.... whelp so much for the season if he is gone.
It's T. Huntley time.

As a Tyreek owner, I'd take this upgrade.
 
Huntley seemed to play pretty well a couple years back, a little surprised was on a practice squad, he's got to be better.
Pretty well? He was a pro bowl QB a couple years back. Sure. He was the alternate, alternate, alternate, alternate, alternate and alternate to the starting guy, but who cares? We would all leave the word alternate out when telling our grandkids. Ha ha
 
So many people talking **** about Tua. Well this last game is what happens when you don't have a good QB.

Miami is in trouble if Tua can't come back this year. And long term it is not good if Tua can't stay healthy.

So many "fans" wanted Tua gone.... whelp so much for the season if he is gone.
True, but I think that Skylar simply doesn't have the skillset for what mcDaniel wants to run. The team looked better when Boyle took over. IF ONLY WE HAD TAKEN PURDY IN ROUND 7 INTEAD OF SKLAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every single team passed on Purdy for the whole draft. No one expected it and I don't even think SF expected Purdy to come on that fast. Hindsight.... always easy to go back and say it.

Easy to say now but he might not have worked out in Miami. He's a perfect fit in SF.
 
Brett Favre just disclosed that he has Parkinson's at age 54. Head trauma is a likely risk factor for getting PD, although the causal association is not certain. I wonder if Brett's disclosure changes Tua's mind about retiring. BTW, Favre is testifying before congress about "his potential misuse of taxpayer money."


 
Brett Favre just disclosed that he has Parkinson's at age 54. Head trauma is a likely risk factor for getting PD, although the causal association is not certain. I wonder if Brett's disclosure changes Tua's mind about retiring. BTW, Favre is testifying before congress about "his potential misuse of taxpayer money."


Or it could be do to his painkiller addiction, alcohol abuse, heredity or any other number of environmental factors that are known to increase your chances of getting the disease. But yeah, let's blame it on head trauma because that's where the $$$ are.
 

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