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QB Tua Tagovailoa, MIA (2 Viewers)

I don't know why he didn't wear the Guardian helmet cap, and if he does return, I hope he does opt to go with it.

I assumed that a lot of players just don't want to look different than the rest of the team, but... other than one time in week 1 where an announcer pointed out specifically that a player had opted to use it in explaining the new rule... I don't think I've seen anything about players who've picked it, and certainly nothing unkind. A few times I've been watching games on red zone and noticed players wearing the Guardian cap in the close-up shots, but, once they go to the wide angle it's actually kind of hard to even pick it up that someone has it on. I can't believe any player is going to call another one on the opposing team a wimp, chicken, or whatever words I can't say on this forum, for wearing the cap. They all wear it for parts of preseason practice anyway.

Otherwise, I guess there's maybe a non-zero amount of limitation in the field of view to the sides... but it can't be enough of a difference, even for a QB, to bear the risk of yet another concussion.

Either way, I hope someone gets through to him that he should be valuing his long-term health much more than he's shown to so far.
Wonder if the NFL would step in and implement a rule where after say 2 confirmed concussions the guardian helmet is a requirement? Ive read the studies and the data goes from makes a huge different to meh. My common sense of it leads me to believe adding it has to help. Imo
 
More I think on this the more idiotic it was not to have a competent backup. I mean you know you have a unique situation where even the smallest concussion is going to put Tua out for like 6 games and a bigger one for longer, possibly season ending. You've got to prioritize the backup QB under these circumstances, there's no excuse not to.
 
More I think on this the more idiotic it was not to have a competent backup. I mean you know you have a unique situation where even the smallest concussion is going to put Tua out for like 6 games and a bigger one for longer, possibly season ending. You've got to prioritize the backup QB under these circumstances, there's no excuse not to.
100%. what we witnessed is just poor planning. nothing more.

always plan for the worst, and hope for the best.
 
More I think on this the more idiotic it was not to have a competent backup. I mean you know you have a unique situation where even the smallest concussion is going to put Tua out for like 6 games and a bigger one for longer, possibly season ending. You've got to prioritize the backup QB under these circumstances, there's no excuse not to.
100%. what we witnessed is just poor planning. nothing more.

always plan for the worst, and hope for the best.
Yep. If I was the owner I'd fire the gm just based on this. Youve left the franchise to play Skylar and Huntley in the most important position in sports. I couldn't move forward with this gm.
 
I don't know why he didn't wear the Guardian helmet cap, and if he does return, I hope he does opt to go with it.

I assumed that a lot of players just don't want to look different than the rest of the team, but... other than one time in week 1 where an announcer pointed out specifically that a player had opted to use it in explaining the new rule... I don't think I've seen anything about players who've picked it, and certainly nothing unkind. A few times I've been watching games on red zone and noticed players wearing the Guardian cap in the close-up shots, but, once they go to the wide angle it's actually kind of hard to even pick it up that someone has it on. I can't believe any player is going to call another one on the opposing team a wimp, chicken, or whatever words I can't say on this forum, for wearing the cap. They all wear it for parts of preseason practice anyway.

Otherwise, I guess there's maybe a non-zero amount of limitation in the field of view to the sides... but it can't be enough of a difference, even for a QB, to bear the risk of yet another concussion.

Either way, I hope someone gets through to him that he should be valuing his long-term health much more than he's shown to so far.
Wonder if the NFL would step in and implement a rule where after say 2 confirmed concussions the guardian helmet is a requirement? Ive read the studies and the data goes from makes a huge different to meh. My common sense of it leads me to believe adding it has to help. Imo
Has it been proven the guardian helmet helps?
 
I don't know why he didn't wear the Guardian helmet cap, and if he does return, I hope he does opt to go with it.

I assumed that a lot of players just don't want to look different than the rest of the team, but... other than one time in week 1 where an announcer pointed out specifically that a player had opted to use it in explaining the new rule... I don't think I've seen anything about players who've picked it, and certainly nothing unkind. A few times I've been watching games on red zone and noticed players wearing the Guardian cap in the close-up shots, but, once they go to the wide angle it's actually kind of hard to even pick it up that someone has it on. I can't believe any player is going to call another one on the opposing team a wimp, chicken, or whatever words I can't say on this forum, for wearing the cap. They all wear it for parts of preseason practice anyway.

Otherwise, I guess there's maybe a non-zero amount of limitation in the field of view to the sides... but it can't be enough of a difference, even for a QB, to bear the risk of yet another concussion.

Either way, I hope someone gets through to him that he should be valuing his long-term health much more than he's shown to so far.
Wonder if the NFL would step in and implement a rule where after say 2 confirmed concussions the guardian helmet is a requirement? Ive read the studies and the data goes from makes a huge different to meh. My common sense of it leads me to believe adding it has to help. Imo
Has it been proven the guardian helmet helps?
They are confirmed to have an impact on deceleration which should directly correlate, but other studies say they have trouble linking to a reduction in concussions.
My suspicion is the impact of the caps is probably reduced the bigger and faster the players are, like in the NFL. So, good for youth sports and high school, not as much of an impact in the NFL. But I'm just an engineer, not a scientist or doctor 😁
 
I don't know why he didn't wear the Guardian helmet cap, and if he does return, I hope he does opt to go with it.

I assumed that a lot of players just don't want to look different than the rest of the team, but... other than one time in week 1 where an announcer pointed out specifically that a player had opted to use it in explaining the new rule... I don't think I've seen anything about players who've picked it, and certainly nothing unkind. A few times I've been watching games on red zone and noticed players wearing the Guardian cap in the close-up shots, but, once they go to the wide angle it's actually kind of hard to even pick it up that someone has it on. I can't believe any player is going to call another one on the opposing team a wimp, chicken, or whatever words I can't say on this forum, for wearing the cap. They all wear it for parts of preseason practice anyway.

Otherwise, I guess there's maybe a non-zero amount of limitation in the field of view to the sides... but it can't be enough of a difference, even for a QB, to bear the risk of yet another concussion.

Either way, I hope someone gets through to him that he should be valuing his long-term health much more than he's shown to so far.
Wonder if the NFL would step in and implement a rule where after say 2 confirmed concussions the guardian helmet is a requirement? Ive read the studies and the data goes from makes a huge different to meh. My common sense of it leads me to believe adding it has to help. Imo
Has it been proven the guardian helmet helps?
They are confirmed to have an impact on deceleration which should directly correlate, but other studies say they have trouble linking to a reduction in concussions.
My suspicion is the impact of the caps is probably reduced the bigger and faster the players are, like in the NFL. So, good for youth sports and high school, not as much of an impact in the NFL. But I'm just an engineer, not a scientist or doctor 😁
Ya it's one of those things that you can find data that supports both narratives. In the end, our bodies just aren't designed for the impact football brings. More padding just seems to make sense to me. Same principle as the scientific impact of a car bumper. Imo
 
Getting Tua back will be a godsend for us Dolphin skill position Owners. I wonder if/when he comes back, if McDaniel alters any play calling to try and protect him further. More TE/RB chips, extra man staying back to block, designed quicker throws, etc.
 
Will pick him back up. Drake Maye, Trevor Lawrence, Aaron Rodgers types available in this league.
I’d much prefer Maye for his rushing upside, but I’m also biased.
Do you get 8 points per rushing yards for QBs?
No but thankfully Maye is better known for his prowess as a passer, the rushing is just a tacked on bonus. Tua’s fantasy ceiling is limited because he doesn’t run and he doesn’t throw for enough TDs to make up for it.

Edit - I had Tua on my fantasy team in my league last year, 4 points per pass TD, 1 pt per 25 pass yards, -1 pt for INT or fumble lost, 1 pt per 10 rushing/receiving yards (since you were curious). Our finals is in Week 17 so I’m not counting Week 18. In my league Tua finished QB10 in total points and QB18 in points per game at the end of Week 17. Disappointing numbers for a guy who had the most passing yards in the NFL. Rushing ability raises the floor for fantasy QBs. Tua provides none of that and after his latest concussion I’m inclined to believe he’s going to run with the ball even less than he already was.
 
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Will pick him back up. Drake Maye, Trevor Lawrence, Aaron Rodgers types available in this league.
I’d much prefer Maye for his rushing upside, but I’m also biased.
Do you get 8 points per rushing yards for QBs?
No but thankfully Maye is better known for his prowess as a passer, the rushing is just a tacked on bonus. Tua’s fantasy ceiling is limited because he doesn’t run and he doesn’t throw for enough TDs to make up for it.
I think part of Tuas problem right now is that he does run (even when he shouldnt)
but I expect a lot less running in future years after the most recent concussion
 
Any Dolphins fans have insight to their offense? I figure Miami would want to play it more conservative and have Tua be more of a game manager, limit the amount of times he has to drop back to pass. But I’m under the impression that it’s more of a finesse offense with three speedsters at RB and no true pound the rock, bruiser types. How about the offensive line?
 
Any Dolphins fans have insight to their offense? I figure Miami would want to play it more conservative and have Tua be more of a game manager, limit the amount of times he has to drop back to pass. But I’m under the impression that it’s more of a finesse offense with three speedsters at RB and no true pound the rock, bruiser types. How about the offensive line?
arguably when Tua had his last concussion, they should have invested heavily in the O line. given how fragile Tua is, a beefy O line that will keep the heat off, is really what they need. extend that career as long as you can. once he has that inevitable concussion that ends his career, then they have a good O line to protect a rookie QB that they will draft the next year. so in terms of planning, no matter how you slice it, the right answer is to upgrade that O line.
 
Any Dolphins fans have insight to their offense? I figure Miami would want to play it more conservative and have Tua be more of a game manager, limit the amount of times he has to drop back to pass. But I’m under the impression that it’s more of a finesse offense with three speedsters at RB and no true pound the rock, bruiser types. How about the offensive line?
arguably when Tua had his last concussion, they should have invested heavily in the O line. given how fragile Tua is, a beefy O line that will keep the heat off, is really what they need. extend that career as long as you can. once he has that inevitable concussion that ends his career, then they have a good O line to protect a rookie QB that they will draft the next year. so in terms of planning, no matter how you slice it, the right answer is to upgrade that O line.
He got hurt scrambling though. Oline not helping against that.
 
Any Dolphins fans have insight to their offense? I figure Miami would want to play it more conservative and have Tua be more of a game manager, limit the amount of times he has to drop back to pass. But I’m under the impression that it’s more of a finesse offense with three speedsters at RB and no true pound the rock, bruiser types. How about the offensive line?
arguably when Tua had his last concussion, they should have invested heavily in the O line. given how fragile Tua is, a beefy O line that will keep the heat off, is really what they need. extend that career as long as you can. once he has that inevitable concussion that ends his career, then they have a good O line to protect a rookie QB that they will draft the next year. so in terms of planning, no matter how you slice it, the right answer is to upgrade that O line.
He got hurt scrambling though. Oline not helping against that.
thats exactly where the O line will help. if the pressure isnt getting to him he doesnt have to run in the first place.

granted a QB likely has that internal clock where they know when they either need to throw it or run it. but Tua needs to not run it and he also needs to learn the art of throwing the ball away so he doesnt need to take the hit.
 
Any Dolphins fans have insight to their offense? I figure Miami would want to play it more conservative and have Tua be more of a game manager, limit the amount of times he has to drop back to pass. But I’m under the impression that it’s more of a finesse offense with three speedsters at RB and no true pound the rock, bruiser types. How about the offensive line?
arguably when Tua had his last concussion, they should have invested heavily in the O line. given how fragile Tua is, a beefy O line that will keep the heat off, is really what they need. extend that career as long as you can. once he has that inevitable concussion that ends his career, then they have a good O line to protect a rookie QB that they will draft the next year. so in terms of planning, no matter how you slice it, the right answer is to upgrade that O line.
He got hurt scrambling though. Oline not helping against that.
Did you see the Pick-6 on the drive right before Tua's concussion?
The OLine has A LOT to do with Tua's concussion problems the last few years
I understand your POV on that 1 specific play
 
Head coach Mike McDaniel, who has a close relationship with his quarterback, shared with his team that Tua’s practice window opens up Wednesday, and the quarterback is expected to practice. As long as there are no setbacks, the hope is for Tagovailoa to play in the Week 8 game against the Arizona Cardinals.

That is insane..
What's insane?
 
Head coach Mike McDaniel, who has a close relationship with his quarterback, shared with his team that Tua’s practice window opens up Wednesday, and the quarterback is expected to practice. As long as there are no setbacks, the hope is for Tagovailoa to play in the Week 8 game against the Arizona Cardinals.

That is insane..
I strongly agree. This is one of those situations where somebody needs to protect the player from himself, and it doesn't look like anybody is so inclined.
 
What's insane?
The number of neurosurgeons that have access to Tua's medical records and frequent the Shark Pool?
well, they are not really talking about his medical records so we are apt to speculate an awful lot.

in my experience, 50% of the people see (or assume) what they want to see. 25% see the worst case scenario, and 25% see the best case scenario. so in the end, that makes this thread unreliable at best in terms of determining what is appropriate for him. though the sheer # of concussions and time missed do make me think hes pushing his limits now (or very close to it)

all I know is I dont wanna see a terrible hit that ends his career. This is one of those things once you see it... you likely cannot unsee it (if you know what I mean)

either way, Like it or not, it is not our choice to make here. so regardless of the choice he does make, I do wish this young man good luck and hope he doesnt have that career ending injury I spoke of.
 
Tua may make a case for MVP when you consider how bad the offense has been without him.
Definitely can make a case for team MVP at least. The lack of production at QB without Tua despite the talent they have on offense to me speaks more to failure on the front office and coaching staff to maximize the talent that they have. The lack of a contingency plan for a QB with the injury history that Tua has had is baffling. I’d have to think if they had someone like Flacco or Dalton heading into this season, they’d stay afloat on offense.
 
Head coach Mike McDaniel, who has a close relationship with his quarterback, shared with his team that Tua’s practice window opens up Wednesday, and the quarterback is expected to practice. As long as there are no setbacks, the hope is for Tagovailoa to play in the Week 8 game against the Arizona Cardinals.

That is insane..
I strongly agree. This is one of those situations where somebody needs to protect the player from himself, and it doesn't look like anybody is so inclined.
30 or 40 years ago I would agree with you because the team would have been forcing the player back out and financially it would be tough not to. But Tua has made more then enough for his family to live comfortably. He is well spoken and likeable and could surely have a broadcast career if he wanted and one could argue it might be better for Miami if he did retire at this point. So if he comes back you have to feel it is 100% his decision and what he wants and he obviously knows the risks. If he is cleared and symptom free I don't see how you can prevent him.
 
Tua may make a case for MVP when you consider how bad the offense has been without him.
Definitely can make a case for team MVP at least. The lack of production at QB without Tua despite the talent they have on offense to me speaks more to failure on the front office and coaching staff to maximize the talent that they have. The lack of a contingency plan for a QB with the injury history that Tua has had is baffling. I’d have to think if they had someone like Flacco or Dalton heading into this season, they’d stay afloat on offense.
While hardly a world beater himself, I think Mike White could have steadied the ship better than Thompson/Huntley/Boyle, but they decided to go in a different direction.
 
Being older and eating your dinner through a straw can be a real thing. I sure as hell hope not and think it would be a wonderful story if he overcomes this and wins a Super Bowl.
I am not in favor of a guy endangering himself. But Tua has three concussions that we know about, I am aware of three by Chris Olave in the last couple years. Every team probably has several players with more than that the last couple years.

Tua's happened to be shown again and again on TV. To me, that is not enough for me to feel even remotely secure in a position on what Tua "should do".

I get why people think the way they do, the last one looked bad, but a bad looking concussion isn't necessarily worse than one where a guy walks off the field. There's thinking out there that the repeated 'small ones' are more likely to cause long term damage. Bottom line is no one can say what any outcome is, and a concussion to a QB that gets televised isn't more relevant to his health than Chris Olave's three concussions are to HIS health. Oh, pardon me, FOUR concussions.

Unless people think any player with three concussions needs to hang it up, which would probably eliminate every LB in the league, then I am going to ignore the assured, confident opinions from people who have no idea about his medical condition. Why would I listen?
 
Being older and eating your dinner through a straw can be a real thing. I sure as hell hope not and think it would be a wonderful story if he overcomes this and wins a Super Bowl.

Unless people think any player with three concussions needs to hang it up, which would probably eliminate every LB in the league, then I am going to ignore the assured, confident opinions from people who have no idea about his medical condition. Why would I listen?
I would venture to guess there are different severity levels to concussions that we as layman's don't understand, so just putting a number on concussions seems wrong to me. Take Austin Collie for example, he had four concussions during his short career. Obviously it was bad enough for him to retire. That's not to say everyone with four concussions should retire. There has to be severity levels attached to concussions. That is something we can't really speak to in my opinion.
 
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The thing with his hands during the last two make them look a lot worse.

I think it actually does make them a lot worse but I am no expert.

To me his biggest problem was the damage done during the second concussion (Cincy game), which came just days after the first, undiagnosed concussion against the Bills.

Once you get them in close proximity they are much worse and also more likely to happen again because of the permanent injury to the brain.
 
Its up to him, i wish him well. I would be wearing the Guardian helmet for sure if I were him. Then again, I would have called it quits by now if I were him.
But, I didnt go to college and play in the NFL with football as life.
 
Its up to him, i wish him well. I would be wearing the Guardian helmet for sure if I were him. Then again, I would have called it quits by now if I were him.
But, I didnt go to college and play in the NFL with football as life.
Is there any evidence the guardian helmets help? Or are they just experimental right now? If you’ve read where there is concrete evidence please post a link.
 
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