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QB Will Levis, TEN (1 Viewer)

He's interesting.

FBG has him at QB26
Fantasypros has him at QB24.

The offensive line and the offense as a whole were issues. He was sacked on about 10% of his drop backs last year. TN finished 27th in point scored.

They upgraded the OL. They added Calvin Ridley. Hopkins still has a little bit in the tank. He's got two solid pass catching RB's.
I think Callahan's offense will be more fantasy friendly than Vrabel's.
He didn't' show a ton on the ground last year, but his Jr season at KY, he had 376 rushing yards and 9 TD's.

I think there's a reasonable path to Levis outperforming a QB24-QB26 ranking. If you're in 1QB leagues, and he finishes as QB16 or 18--oh well, who cares. So in a lot of cases, it may be for not. In 2 QB and SF leagues, he could be a very nice value play.
 
think there's a reasonable path to Levis outperforming a QB24-QB26 ranking. If you're in 1QB leagues, and he finishes as QB16 or 18--oh well, who cares. So in a lot of cases, it may be for not. In 2 QB and SF leagues, he could be a very nice value play.
I picked him up as my QB2 in a SF league - I think he’s a perfect target, as he’s got upside compared to his value, and he’s young enough to have a future if he hits.
 
Levis mentioned Clifford the other day and how he learned to learn.

Yesterday his Titans coach said: "He's as coachable of a quarterback as you can find." "I'm not sure I've ever been around a guy who's more in touch with all of his mechanical things."

You couldn't script it any better than this.

He has to pan out. He has to do it on the field. No doubt and that's all that matters but this off-season seems so extremely significant. Everyone had mental decision making issues, mechanical issues, or ego issues predraft for him and he's gloriously smashing those the right way- exactly as any fan would want a young QB to do.
 
Bad day for the offense yesterday. Callahan said that's why he wanted Dennard as DC, that defense gave them trouble.
WRs couldn't get open.
Levis made a lot of correct decisions to throw it away or run.
Gibbens INT was on the QB coach. Exceptional catch with ball inches from the ground. Coach said he wanted Levis throwing it there and we'll take that. WR got down in a "kneel dive" and just a great INT.

Levis did a lot of talking to the coaches. Failed play maybe what did you want there, maybe verifying no one was open etc. They said he's clearly getting on the same page as them.

FYI the new D is to be aggressive and wants every receiver hit asap. WR coach coaching some technique about hands and footwork clearly not doing it well but...it's spring and fine they're working out of bad habits n coaching.

A few one handed catches got Levis the attention. Touch they wanted. Soft enough for the target to make a play.

Pressure wasn't an issue and any good OL news is welcome.

Good on Wilson. Rarely do defenses win in shorts. It's something for them. Probably- if there was any- removed any doubt the new guys can coach. Vrabel's a gem defensive mind so probably good for them to do so well without him too. Shorts, shorts, shorts don't overreact
 
He's interesting.

FBG has him at QB26
Fantasypros has him at QB24.

The offensive line and the offense as a whole were issues. He was sacked on about 10% of his drop backs last year. TN finished 27th in point scored.

They upgraded the OL. They added Calvin Ridley. Hopkins still has a little bit in the tank. He's got two solid pass catching RB's.
I think Callahan's offense will be more fantasy friendly than Vrabel's.
He didn't' show a ton on the ground last year, but his Jr season at KY, he had 376 rushing yards and 9 TD's.

I think there's a reasonable path to Levis outperforming a QB24-QB26 ranking. If you're in 1QB leagues, and he finishes as QB16 or 18--oh well, who cares. So in a lot of cases, it may be for not. In 2 QB and SF leagues, he could be a very nice value play.
Agreed, I think you could do worse than Levis as a QB 2 with some upside. I like Pollard coming over from Dallas to team with Spears in the back field. Both should keep Defenses honest.
Hopkins, Ridley and Boyd are seasoned to say the least and while they might not rip the cover off Defenses, they certainly can move the chains, Levis should complete passes.
I think the Titans have a chance to surprise some folks. The OL is improved according to most who rank and rate them.
 
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He's interesting.

FBG has him at QB26
Fantasypros has him at QB24.

The offensive line and the offense as a whole were issues. He was sacked on about 10% of his drop backs last year. TN finished 27th in point scored.

They upgraded the OL. They added Calvin Ridley. Hopkins still has a little bit in the tank. He's got two solid pass catching RB's.
I think Callahan's offense will be more fantasy friendly than Vrabel's.
He didn't' show a ton on the ground last year, but his Jr season at KY, he had 376 rushing yards and 9 TD's.

I think there's a reasonable path to Levis outperforming a QB24-QB26 ranking. If you're in 1QB leagues, and he finishes as QB16 or 18--oh well, who cares. So in a lot of cases, it may be for not. In 2 QB and SF leagues, he could be a very nice value play.
Agreed, I think you could do worse than Levis as a QB 2 with some upside. I like Pollard coming over from Dallas to team with Spears in the back field. Both should keep Defenses honest.
Hopkins, Ridley and Boyd are seasoned to say the least and while they might not rip the cover off Defenses, they certainly can move the chains, Levis should complete passes.
I think the Titans have a chance to surprise some folks. The OL is improved according to most who rank and rate them.
Levis will make a decent leap with those weapons if he is protected decently enough. He has the arm. Will the decision making and processing speed take the next step is really what remains the only question and is typically what separates all QB’s in this league, physical tools being mostly equal.
 
With minicamp over, there's a lot of Levis struggling articles and mentions and...that's how it should be.
He doesn't even have a full season's worth of starts, has multiple new teammates, and is learning a new system under a new staff.

Maybe we can worry in camp. It's going to be debatable even then but at some point we'll hold him accountable. It's just not now
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
 
104.5 in TEN had Levis in studio and lots of neat anecdotes in the interview.
He's very brash borderline arrogant on the field but in interviews he's quite humble. This is the most humble I've seen him yet. No one wanted him, only these schools did, battled Luke Schoonmaker (Cowboys TE) for QB spot, Fields had committed so he wasn't going to play.
I like the story of playing other sports and arts and parents wanting him to try everything. That he loved lacrosse had me "ooh that's it!" that's gotta be where he gets his running style from, right there.

Fifth offense in five years for him.
Liam Cohen's offense most similar, mentioned verbiage

 
Levis took Spears, Nuk, Ridley, Whyle, and Chig to Cabo to workout and bond n all.
Ten second clips and IG pics look like usual good for them type feel.

I'm waiting to hear why this guy and that guy didn't go.
Boyd was said to be moving and...makes sense.
Why not Burks??
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Check out hot take Jake.

So far reports are pretty positive on Levis. Team seems to like him a lot more than some of the FF folks.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Check out hot take Jake.

So far reports are pretty positive on Levis. Team seems to like him a lot more than some of the FF folks.
Youve been in this hobby long enough to know the error of your argument here.

But yeah mine is a hot take.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Check out hot take Jake.

So far reports are pretty positive on Levis. Team seems to like him a lot more than some of the FF folks.
Youve been in this hobby long enough to know the error of your argument here.

But yeah mine is a hot take.
Saying Rudolph is the next Tannehill is quite the hot take.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
Sure.
I’d bet the future of my FF team that Levis starts every game this year barring injury.
What happens after that could be interesting.
 
Not that I expected much agreement with my hot take, it wouldnt be much of a hot take then right. If you thinks Levis is good or showed promise last year.
Well then we would just have to disagree.

But its false to say that the Titans have no reason to bench him. Examples like Zac Wilson and Sam Howell or Darrel Ridder are my evidence. Coaches have reasons to win, and besides that part of their jobs are political. When everybody else in the locker room is working hard, its a bad look to be starting an inferior quarterback. Especially for the pass catchers. The Steelers had themselves a mutiny last year because Tomlin refused to put in Mason.

As far as Mason being not even average, I couldnt disagree more. At least his recent play. Last year he would have been ranked top 3 in qbr at 70 and his rating was 118 in the regular season. And well I get it, sample size ok, it was only 3 games. And his playoff game was not as good. But he turned the ball over only 2 times in 4 games.

I dont see how anybody can say putting-mayonaise-in-his-coffee Will Levis was better than Mason last year. I would call that rificoulois, a word I just made up. Maybe Levis improves, he would have to improve a lot imo. Being a 2nd round pick is what he is, same as Mason. Or a 3rd i dont remember. But Mason has had several season of improvement behind the player he is now. Levis being actually better should not be taken for granted.

Also, maybe Mason is good. I know Im in an extreme minority on that opinion. But lets not dismiss the idea hes learned and improved from his early career. He looked like a different player to me in those 4 games. But then again, we dont know what he said to Myles Garrett either.
 
Not that I expected much agreement with my hot take, it wouldnt be much of a hot take then right. If you thinks Levis is good or showed promise last year.
Well then we would just have to disagree.

But its false to say that the Titans have no reason to bench him. Examples like Zac Wilson and Sam Howell or Darrel Ridder are my evidence. Coaches have reasons to win, and besides that part of their jobs are political. When everybody else in the locker room is working hard, its a bad look to be starting an inferior quarterback. Especially for the pass catchers. The Steelers had themselves a mutiny last year because Tomlin refused to put in Mason.

As far as Mason being not even average, I couldnt disagree more. At least his recent play. Last year he would have been ranked top 3 in qbr at 70 and his rating was 118 in the regular season. And well I get it, sample size ok, it was only 3 games. And his playoff game was not as good. But he turned the ball over only 2 times in 4 games.

I dont see how anybody can say putting-mayonaise-in-his-coffee Will Levis was better than Mason last year. I would call that rificoulois, a word I just made up. Maybe Levis improves, he would have to improve a lot imo. Being a 2nd round pick is what he is, same as Mason. Or a 3rd i dont remember. But Mason has had several season of improvement behind the player he is now. Levis being actually better should not be taken for granted.

Also, maybe Mason is good. I know Im in an extreme minority on that opinion. But lets not dismiss the idea hes learned and improved from his early career. He looked like a different player to me in those 4 games. But then again, we dont know what he said to Myles Garrett either.
If the NFL had any faith in Mason Rudolph as a starter, Pittsburgh would have kept him. Dude had multiple chances to be a starter in a player friendly culture and failed each time. He signed a borderline qb3 1 year deal with the Titans and will be lucky to stick around as a backup for more than a year or two.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
He started 8 games last year, have any of them been benched after 13 starts?
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
He started 8 games last year, have any of them been benched after 13 starts?
Probably not. It’s a very very hot take. Josh Rosen didn’t last long but I think he got at least 13 or 14 starts. It’s an interesting question though.
 
Near the end of Amy Adams Strunk mini-interview after she fired Vrabel she was trying to give fans reason for optimism and said we got Ran, a promising young QB, great draft position and cap space and things looked really bright for the Titans.

I think that was telling, she views Levis as a core piece and my expectation would be that barring a total face plant his leash is at least the whole season.
 
Not that I expected much agreement with my hot take, it wouldnt be much of a hot take then right. If you thinks Levis is good or showed promise last year.
Well then we would just have to disagree.

But its false to say that the Titans have no reason to bench him. Examples like Zac Wilson and Sam Howell or Darrel Ridder are my evidence. Coaches have reasons to win, and besides that part of their jobs are political. When everybody else in the locker room is working hard, its a bad look to be starting an inferior quarterback. Especially for the pass catchers. The Steelers had themselves a mutiny last year because Tomlin refused to put in Mason.

As far as Mason being not even average, I couldnt disagree more. At least his recent play. Last year he would have been ranked top 3 in qbr at 70 and his rating was 118 in the regular season. And well I get it, sample size ok, it was only 3 games. And his playoff game was not as good. But he turned the ball over only 2 times in 4 games.

I dont see how anybody can say putting-mayonaise-in-his-coffee Will Levis was better than Mason last year. I would call that rificoulois, a word I just made up. Maybe Levis improves, he would have to improve a lot imo. Being a 2nd round pick is what he is, same as Mason. Or a 3rd i dont remember. But Mason has had several season of improvement behind the player he is now. Levis being actually better should not be taken for granted.

Also, maybe Mason is good. I know Im in an extreme minority on that opinion. But lets not dismiss the idea hes learned and improved from his early career. He looked like a different player to me in those 4 games. But then again, we dont know what he said to Myles Garrett either.
If the NFL had any faith in Mason Rudolph as a starter, Pittsburgh would have kept him. Dude had multiple chances to be a starter in a player friendly culture and failed each time. He signed a borderline qb3 1 year deal with the Titans and will be lucky to stick around as a backup for more than a year or two.
Based on history with nfl contracts, career trajectory and all that, it seems to me pretty obvious to me emperically the probability is a long shot. Thats why its a hot take. Unlike poker where theres no insight whether the river will give you that inside straight, for football we have our own perception.

And for real, Im not here to convince you, im just talking ball. So i dont get why are you're sitting here saying things like "pittsburgh would have kept him if he were good" or "he had multiple chances to be the starter and failed every time". Clearly I disagree with pittsburgh and disagree that "he failed every time", as I detailed my perception of the 4 games he played last year - in other words, I thought he played very well at the end of 2023.
 
Not that I expected much agreement with my hot take, it wouldnt be much of a hot take then right. If you thinks Levis is good or showed promise last year.
Well then we would just have to disagree.

But its false to say that the Titans have no reason to bench him. Examples like Zac Wilson and Sam Howell or Darrel Ridder are my evidence. Coaches have reasons to win, and besides that part of their jobs are political. When everybody else in the locker room is working hard, its a bad look to be starting an inferior quarterback. Especially for the pass catchers. The Steelers had themselves a mutiny last year because Tomlin refused to put in Mason.

As far as Mason being not even average, I couldnt disagree more. At least his recent play. Last year he would have been ranked top 3 in qbr at 70 and his rating was 118 in the regular season. And well I get it, sample size ok, it was only 3 games. And his playoff game was not as good. But he turned the ball over only 2 times in 4 games.

I dont see how anybody can say putting-mayonaise-in-his-coffee Will Levis was better than Mason last year. I would call that rificoulois, a word I just made up. Maybe Levis improves, he would have to improve a lot imo. Being a 2nd round pick is what he is, same as Mason. Or a 3rd i dont remember. But Mason has had several season of improvement behind the player he is now. Levis being actually better should not be taken for granted.

Also, maybe Mason is good. I know Im in an extreme minority on that opinion. But lets not dismiss the idea hes learned and improved from his early career. He looked like a different player to me in those 4 games. But then again, we dont know what he said to Myles Garrett either.
If the NFL had any faith in Mason Rudolph as a starter, Pittsburgh would have kept him. Dude had multiple chances to be a starter in a player friendly culture and failed each time. He signed a borderline qb3 1 year deal with the Titans and will be lucky to stick around as a backup for more than a year or two.
Based on history with nfl contracts, career trajectory and all that, it seems to me pretty obvious to me emperically the probability is a long shot. Thats why its a hot take. Unlike poker where theres no insight whether the river will give you that inside straight, for football we have our own perception.

And for real, Im not here to convince you, im just talking ball. So i dont get why are you're sitting here saying things like "pittsburgh would have kept him if he were good" or "he had multiple chances to be the starter and failed every time". Clearly I disagree with pittsburgh and disagree that "he failed every time", as I detailed my perception of the 4 games he played last year - in other words, I thought he played very well at the end of 2023.
Maybe your initial take then should have been "My hot take which is probably a long shot is that Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario. (This isn't Twitter you don't get paid for engagement.)
 
Clearly I disagree with pittsburgh
You are pretty much disagreeing with the entire NFL because they told you what they think of him during the free agency period.
You don’t think the one year $2.8 million contract means he was highly sought after?
He got paid more then double what a younger ex-pro bowl QB got paid in this year's FA period. Huge contract, massive demand.
 
Not that I expected much agreement with my hot take, it wouldnt be much of a hot take then right. If you thinks Levis is good or showed promise last year.
Well then we would just have to disagree.

But its false to say that the Titans have no reason to bench him. Examples like Zac Wilson and Sam Howell or Darrel Ridder are my evidence. Coaches have reasons to win, and besides that part of their jobs are political. When everybody else in the locker room is working hard, its a bad look to be starting an inferior quarterback. Especially for the pass catchers. The Steelers had themselves a mutiny last year because Tomlin refused to put in Mason.

As far as Mason being not even average, I couldnt disagree more. At least his recent play. Last year he would have been ranked top 3 in qbr at 70 and his rating was 118 in the regular season. And well I get it, sample size ok, it was only 3 games. And his playoff game was not as good. But he turned the ball over only 2 times in 4 games.

I dont see how anybody can say putting-mayonaise-in-his-coffee Will Levis was better than Mason last year. I would call that rificoulois, a word I just made up. Maybe Levis improves, he would have to improve a lot imo. Being a 2nd round pick is what he is, same as Mason. Or a 3rd i dont remember. But Mason has had several season of improvement behind the player he is now. Levis being actually better should not be taken for granted.

Also, maybe Mason is good. I know Im in an extreme minority on that opinion. But lets not dismiss the idea hes learned and improved from his early career. He looked like a different player to me in those 4 games. But then again, we dont know what he said to Myles Garrett either.
If the NFL had any faith in Mason Rudolph as a starter, Pittsburgh would have kept him. Dude had multiple chances to be a starter in a player friendly culture and failed each time. He signed a borderline qb3 1 year deal with the Titans and will be lucky to stick around as a backup for more than a year or two.
Based on history with nfl contracts, career trajectory and all that, it seems to me pretty obvious to me emperically the probability is a long shot. Thats why its a hot take. Unlike poker where theres no insight whether the river will give you that inside straight, for football we have our own perception.

And for real, Im not here to convince you, im just talking ball. So i dont get why are you're sitting here saying things like "pittsburgh would have kept him if he were good" or "he had multiple chances to be the starter and failed every time". Clearly I disagree with pittsburgh and disagree that "he failed every time", as I detailed my perception of the 4 games he played last year - in other words, I thought he played very well at the end of 2023.
I'd be more inclined to agree if he'd been in an organization like the Bears or Jets, but the Steelers have traditionally been pretty solid at evaluating and developing talent. Rudolph has show that he can come in and play a short stint for an injury, but he has not shown starter chops.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
He started 8 games last year, have any of them been benched after 13 starts?
Ridder
I think Howell and OConnell.
It's a different time. We've never seen so many teams give up on QBs before their first year 16-17 games have been started.
Ridder threw for 374 yards one game and that often was enough for us to want to see a few more games. He came out flat against TEN, the whole team did against his coach's former team, and he made some wholesale changes at halftime.
Howell threw for 4000ish yards. Idk that there has ever been a QB jettisoned after 4k in his first season.
It's becoming a different time.
Malik Willis was debated as a first round pick and this special athlete. Many believe he should have been cut by now and he should have performed way better.
Levis had an excellent first game and several meh games after that BUT he showed exceptional ability for a rookie to not turn it over. Since that was a huge criticism of him, pair that with his great arm and lacrosse running style and that was enough promise.
Back to Ridder, there's a great deal of Falcons fans that point to his fumbles. He was Dave Krieg like- a fine QB but OMG did he just fumble again? We're a long way past Shula cutting a RB after one fumble but there's a point still and Ridder seemed to fumble every game. You know the nature of it with no punt and the opposing team suddenly gets the ball in great field position THEN the failed offense is quickly back on the field. There's a bit of a hypocrisy with insulting Mariota and Ridder, their line play, Pitts' underperforming, and yet blaming Arthur but we've done that forever- HC is to blame.
Howell's coach is gone too.
I think the different time has to do with the enormous second contract, of course, but also I think we'll see coaches use a quick hook to save their jobs. We have seen coaches last when they go through 3 QBs in a season.
Sooo back on topic, Callahan was considering jobs and he wanted Levis. Plenty of Burrow and Manning quotes out there...he wanted Levis and that's an interesting viewpoint too.
Harbaugh had some wondering if he'd want his college QB but...have you seen the glowing praise for Herbert?
These are the conversations we're used to hearing about veteran QBs but now we're hearing them about young QBs. It's interesting.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
He started 8 games last year, have any of them been benched after 13 starts?
Ridder
I think Howell and OConnell.
It's a different time. We've never seen so many teams give up on QBs before their first year 16-17 games have been started.
Ridder threw for 374 yards one game and that often was enough for us to want to see a few more games. He came out flat against TEN, the whole team did against his coach's former team, and he made some wholesale changes at halftime.
Howell threw for 4000ish yards. Idk that there has ever been a QB jettisoned after 4k in his first season.
It's becoming a different time.
Malik Willis was debated as a first round pick and this special athlete. Many believe he should have been cut by now and he should have performed way better.
Levis had an excellent first game and several meh games after that BUT he showed exceptional ability for a rookie to not turn it over. Since that was a huge criticism of him, pair that with his great arm and lacrosse running style and that was enough promise.
Back to Ridder, there's a great deal of Falcons fans that point to his fumbles. He was Dave Krieg like- a fine QB but OMG did he just fumble again? We're a long way past Shula cutting a RB after one fumble but there's a point still and Ridder seemed to fumble every game. You know the nature of it with no punt and the opposing team suddenly gets the ball in great field position THEN the failed offense is quickly back on the field. There's a bit of a hypocrisy with insulting Mariota and Ridder, their line play, Pitts' underperforming, and yet blaming Arthur but we've done that forever- HC is to blame.
Howell's coach is gone too.
I think the different time has to do with the enormous second contract, of course, but also I think we'll see coaches use a quick hook to save their jobs. We have seen coaches last when they go through 3 QBs in a season.
Sooo back on topic, Callahan was considering jobs and he wanted Levis. Plenty of Burrow and Manning quotes out there...he wanted Levis and that's an interesting viewpoint too.
Harbaugh had some wondering if he'd want his college QB but...have you seen the glowing praise for Herbert?
These are the conversations we're used to hearing about veteran QBs but now we're hearing them about young QBs. It's interesting.
none of those guys were 1st round picks.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
He started 8 games last year, have any of them been benched after 13 starts?
Ridder
I think Howell and OConnell.
It's a different time. We've never seen so many teams give up on QBs before their first year 16-17 games have been started.
Ridder threw for 374 yards one game and that often was enough for us to want to see a few more games. He came out flat against TEN, the whole team did against his coach's former team, and he made some wholesale changes at halftime.
Howell threw for 4000ish yards. Idk that there has ever been a QB jettisoned after 4k in his first season.
It's becoming a different time.
Malik Willis was debated as a first round pick and this special athlete. Many believe he should have been cut by now and he should have performed way better.
Levis had an excellent first game and several meh games after that BUT he showed exceptional ability for a rookie to not turn it over. Since that was a huge criticism of him, pair that with his great arm and lacrosse running style and that was enough promise.
Back to Ridder, there's a great deal of Falcons fans that point to his fumbles. He was Dave Krieg like- a fine QB but OMG did he just fumble again? We're a long way past Shula cutting a RB after one fumble but there's a point still and Ridder seemed to fumble every game. You know the nature of it with no punt and the opposing team suddenly gets the ball in great field position THEN the failed offense is quickly back on the field. There's a bit of a hypocrisy with insulting Mariota and Ridder, their line play, Pitts' underperforming, and yet blaming Arthur but we've done that forever- HC is to blame.
Howell's coach is gone too.
I think the different time has to do with the enormous second contract, of course, but also I think we'll see coaches use a quick hook to save their jobs. We have seen coaches last when they go through 3 QBs in a season.
Sooo back on topic, Callahan was considering jobs and he wanted Levis. Plenty of Burrow and Manning quotes out there...he wanted Levis and that's an interesting viewpoint too.
Harbaugh had some wondering if he'd want his college QB but...have you seen the glowing praise for Herbert?
These are the conversations we're used to hearing about veteran QBs but now we're hearing them about young QBs. It's interesting.
none of those guys were 1st round picks.
for sure and I know that was the promise I set up but let’s remember Levis wasn’t a first round pick either.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
He started 8 games last year, have any of them been benched after 13 starts?
Ridder
I think Howell and OConnell.
It's a different time. We've never seen so many teams give up on QBs before their first year 16-17 games have been started.
Ridder threw for 374 yards one game and that often was enough for us to want to see a few more games. He came out flat against TEN, the whole team did against his coach's former team, and he made some wholesale changes at halftime.
Howell threw for 4000ish yards. Idk that there has ever been a QB jettisoned after 4k in his first season.
It's becoming a different time.
Malik Willis was debated as a first round pick and this special athlete. Many believe he should have been cut by now and he should have performed way better.
Levis had an excellent first game and several meh games after that BUT he showed exceptional ability for a rookie to not turn it over. Since that was a huge criticism of him, pair that with his great arm and lacrosse running style and that was enough promise.
Back to Ridder, there's a great deal of Falcons fans that point to his fumbles. He was Dave Krieg like- a fine QB but OMG did he just fumble again? We're a long way past Shula cutting a RB after one fumble but there's a point still and Ridder seemed to fumble every game. You know the nature of it with no punt and the opposing team suddenly gets the ball in great field position THEN the failed offense is quickly back on the field. There's a bit of a hypocrisy with insulting Mariota and Ridder, their line play, Pitts' underperforming, and yet blaming Arthur but we've done that forever- HC is to blame.
Howell's coach is gone too.
I think the different time has to do with the enormous second contract, of course, but also I think we'll see coaches use a quick hook to save their jobs. We have seen coaches last when they go through 3 QBs in a season.
Sooo back on topic, Callahan was considering jobs and he wanted Levis. Plenty of Burrow and Manning quotes out there...he wanted Levis and that's an interesting viewpoint too.
Harbaugh had some wondering if he'd want his college QB but...have you seen the glowing praise for Herbert?
These are the conversations we're used to hearing about veteran QBs but now we're hearing them about young QBs. It's interesting.
none of those guys were 1st round picks.
for sure and I know that was the promise I set up but let’s remember Levis wasn’t a first round pick either.
close enough
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
He started 8 games last year, have any of them been benched after 13 starts?
Ridder
I think Howell and OConnell.
It's a different time. We've never seen so many teams give up on QBs before their first year 16-17 games have been started.
Ridder threw for 374 yards one game and that often was enough for us to want to see a few more games. He came out flat against TEN, the whole team did against his coach's former team, and he made some wholesale changes at halftime.
Howell threw for 4000ish yards. Idk that there has ever been a QB jettisoned after 4k in his first season.
It's becoming a different time.
Malik Willis was debated as a first round pick and this special athlete. Many believe he should have been cut by now and he should have performed way better.
Levis had an excellent first game and several meh games after that BUT he showed exceptional ability for a rookie to not turn it over. Since that was a huge criticism of him, pair that with his great arm and lacrosse running style and that was enough promise.
Back to Ridder, there's a great deal of Falcons fans that point to his fumbles. He was Dave Krieg like- a fine QB but OMG did he just fumble again? We're a long way past Shula cutting a RB after one fumble but there's a point still and Ridder seemed to fumble every game. You know the nature of it with no punt and the opposing team suddenly gets the ball in great field position THEN the failed offense is quickly back on the field. There's a bit of a hypocrisy with insulting Mariota and Ridder, their line play, Pitts' underperforming, and yet blaming Arthur but we've done that forever- HC is to blame.
Howell's coach is gone too.
I think the different time has to do with the enormous second contract, of course, but also I think we'll see coaches use a quick hook to save their jobs. We have seen coaches last when they go through 3 QBs in a season.
Sooo back on topic, Callahan was considering jobs and he wanted Levis. Plenty of Burrow and Manning quotes out there...he wanted Levis and that's an interesting viewpoint too.
Harbaugh had some wondering if he'd want his college QB but...have you seen the glowing praise for Herbert?
These are the conversations we're used to hearing about veteran QBs but now we're hearing them about young QBs. It's interesting.
none of those guys were 1st round picks.
for sure and I know that was the promise I set up but let’s remember Levis wasn’t a first round pick either.
close enough
I guess but no team felt he was worth moving up for to get the extra year.
 
@32BeatWriters
“Levis changed things with his base, tweaking his footwork. He's trying to get the ball out better, and cleaner, with improved technique.

He's getting on the same page with his new receivers.

In the six practices open to media, Levis was charted at completing 37 of his 57 attempts (64.9%) in 7-on-7 periods. He had some good days this offseason, and others that served more as learning experiences.”
I’m excited for my 1 share. Wish I had him in more spots.
The NFL is more fun when there are more good QBs but I just can not see it with Levis. I expect the Titans to have just about the worst offense in the NFL this year.
Mason Rudolph is starting by week 6, in a reliving of the Mariota/Tannehill scenario.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it's hard for me to see a scenario of how this happens (barring injury obv.). Levis wasn't a first round pick but pretty close and he still has enough draft capital and showed enough last year where they're going to want to see what he can do with an improved OL and better weapons. Mason Rudolph is not a good QB, may be an ok backup. He's been given a number of chances to start and he's never been even average, maybe he had a couple decent games at the end of last year. The Titans are projected for 6.5 wins this year, replacing Levis with Rudolph in week 6 would serve no purpose.
I agree it’s unlikely but we have seen plenty of 1st round QBs who got benched in year 2.
He started 8 games last year, have any of them been benched after 13 starts?
Ridder
I think Howell and OConnell.
It's a different time. We've never seen so many teams give up on QBs before their first year 16-17 games have been started.
Ridder threw for 374 yards one game and that often was enough for us to want to see a few more games. He came out flat against TEN, the whole team did against his coach's former team, and he made some wholesale changes at halftime.
Howell threw for 4000ish yards. Idk that there has ever been a QB jettisoned after 4k in his first season.
It's becoming a different time.
Malik Willis was debated as a first round pick and this special athlete. Many believe he should have been cut by now and he should have performed way better.
Levis had an excellent first game and several meh games after that BUT he showed exceptional ability for a rookie to not turn it over. Since that was a huge criticism of him, pair that with his great arm and lacrosse running style and that was enough promise.
Back to Ridder, there's a great deal of Falcons fans that point to his fumbles. He was Dave Krieg like- a fine QB but OMG did he just fumble again? We're a long way past Shula cutting a RB after one fumble but there's a point still and Ridder seemed to fumble every game. You know the nature of it with no punt and the opposing team suddenly gets the ball in great field position THEN the failed offense is quickly back on the field. There's a bit of a hypocrisy with insulting Mariota and Ridder, their line play, Pitts' underperforming, and yet blaming Arthur but we've done that forever- HC is to blame.
Howell's coach is gone too.
I think the different time has to do with the enormous second contract, of course, but also I think we'll see coaches use a quick hook to save their jobs. We have seen coaches last when they go through 3 QBs in a season.
Sooo back on topic, Callahan was considering jobs and he wanted Levis. Plenty of Burrow and Manning quotes out there...he wanted Levis and that's an interesting viewpoint too.
Harbaugh had some wondering if he'd want his college QB but...have you seen the glowing praise for Herbert?
These are the conversations we're used to hearing about veteran QBs but now we're hearing them about young QBs. It's interesting.
none of those guys were 1st round picks.
for sure and I know that was the promise I set up but let’s remember Levis wasn’t a first round pick either.
close enough
I guess but no team felt he was worth moving up for to get the extra year.
splitting hairs, Tenn traded up for him at top of the 2nd. other players mentioned above Ridder and Willis were mid 3rd rounders and Howell was a 5th that's a huge difference.
 
Very good job by the GM.
The common thought is if he has to plug n play next year, he can. Well some of these players are old(er) and they may not be so intrigued by yet another rookie QB. It could backfire to some degree. Sure he can replace WRs if some leave but...just something to consider
9 games Levis had 8 TD passes (4 in his first game vs Atlanta) was sacked 28 times, 8 fumbles, and 4 INT

From the article "Levis is not a good player yet, but these moves suggest that the Titans are least giving him the chance to get there.
Levis’ rookie season was a mixed bag. The physical talent and ability to throw the ball can’t be questioned. However, the down-to-down accuracy and decision-making left a lot of room to be desired."


Decision making and accuracy issues aren't minor concerns. If this continues, he will be a turnover machine and Mr. Sack Tuah in the pocket. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mason take over sometime after the week 5 bye and keep the job.
 
Decision making and accuracy issues aren't minor concerns. If this continues, he will be a turnover machine and Mr. Sack Tuah in the pocket. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mason take over sometime after the week 5 bye and keep the job.
I doubt this happens.
 

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