GreenNGold
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He's bad.
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QB Zach Wilson, MIA (1 Viewer)
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Said it when they were looking at him. He's garbage. As a Jets fan, I wanted no part of him.
One good year in college (after a lousy Soph year) behind a team of mature 25 year olds against a weak COVID schedule. While his tape showed some impressive throws (which he still makes occasionally) I saw a LOT of "highlight" plays that only came off because he was throwing against DB's from Navy, Troy and Texas State.
He can make some incredible throws. His escapability is truly impressive. But that skill is mostly worthless if you dont have the ability to consistently reset your feet and eyes and deliver an accurate throw downfield. And if its gonna result in the type of HORRENDOUS decision making and accuracy (because of his lousy footwork) that I saw today, I'd rather he just take the sack and let his excellent defense try and get the ball back.
They will waste this young core and their rookie contracts if they give him 2 more years. They'll use the loss of Hall and the O-line injuries (which I'm certainly not discounting) as the excuses, but he just isn't it. Taking him #2 overall was an absolute embarrassment.
One good year in college (after a lousy Soph year) behind a team of mature 25 year olds against a weak COVID schedule. While his tape showed some impressive throws (which he still makes occasionally) I saw a LOT of "highlight" plays that only came off because he was throwing against DB's from Navy, Troy and Texas State.
He can make some incredible throws. His escapability is truly impressive. But that skill is mostly worthless if you dont have the ability to consistently reset your feet and eyes and deliver an accurate throw downfield. And if its gonna result in the type of HORRENDOUS decision making and accuracy (because of his lousy footwork) that I saw today, I'd rather he just take the sack and let his excellent defense try and get the ball back.
They will waste this young core and their rookie contracts if they give him 2 more years. They'll use the loss of Hall and the O-line injuries (which I'm certainly not discounting) as the excuses, but he just isn't it. Taking him #2 overall was an absolute embarrassment.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hot Garbage
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Had a buddy at the game and there were "We Want Darnold" "We Want Sanchez" chants.
Chemical X
Footballguy
he was both of those guys today. i mean, they traded and redrafted darnold somehow. at least sanchez has some real nice playoff games on his resume. this was the type of game i’ve seen too many time over the recent years. winnable with a functional qb, but our guy turns into a babbling richard todd.
rockaction
Footballguy
If completion percentage while throwing with a clean pocket is as predictive as PFF claims, I'm willing to keep putting him out there this year in the hopes that he develops. It's going to be hard for the rest of the guys in the locker room to hear it, but they're not playing quarterback. Mike White is not the answer. We know that from last year. Least give the kid with a year's worth of starts under his belt the full chance to burn his way out of town. The line has to admittedly be considered a shambles and he's forced to run from pressure every chance he gets.
Don't really want to defend him after two of those truly ugly picks because he, if exit interviews are to be believed, isn't blaming himself for the capsizing ship. But somebody has to peel back the layers and say that despite all the mouthbreathers quick to **** on a guy's grave he deserves a full chance in the NFL.
Don't really want to defend him after two of those truly ugly picks because he, if exit interviews are to be believed, isn't blaming himself for the capsizing ship. But somebody has to peel back the layers and say that despite all the mouthbreathers quick to **** on a guy's grave he deserves a full chance in the NFL.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Football Perspective
@fbgchase
According to @PFF, Zac Wilson is easily the worst passer this year under pressure, going 9/47 (19%) under pressure this year with 10 sacks with a league-high 14% turnover worthy plays. He's taken more sacks than completed passes when under pressure. This needs to be fixed ASAP.
John O'Hanlon
@JohnOmite
Replying to @fbgchase and @PFF
He’s also one of the best in a clean pocket. His splits are insane.
@fbgchase
According to @PFF, Zac Wilson is easily the worst passer this year under pressure, going 9/47 (19%) under pressure this year with 10 sacks with a league-high 14% turnover worthy plays. He's taken more sacks than completed passes when under pressure. This needs to be fixed ASAP.
John O'Hanlon
@JohnOmite
Replying to @fbgchase and @PFF
He’s also one of the best in a clean pocket. His splits are insane.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
What else can the JETS do? Groom, coach, Wilson or put in the ole wily Vet, Flacco. No way could the JETS do that, right?
And the JETS are winning. I gotta believe they come back to earth to finish .500, which would be a good showing, right?
I'm looking at adding G Wilson after dropping him 3-4 weeks ago.
And the JETS are winning. I gotta believe they come back to earth to finish .500, which would be a good showing, right?
I'm looking at adding G Wilson after dropping him 3-4 weeks ago.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Their remaining schedule is BUF, NE(A), CHI, MIN(A), BUF(A), DET, JAC, SEA(A), MIA(A). They should beat CHI, DET, and JAC, but they could easily go 3-6 and end up 8-9. Wilson has a lot of raw talent and athleticism, but his decision-making is suspect and his form and attention to detail is definitely lacking. He wilts under pressure. Why don't the Jets have him run more (either by design or once the pocket collapses)? He seems intent on throwing the football when he could have scrambled for positive yardage.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
His stats are favorable with a good pocket to go through his priority reads, then looks lost when having to abandon the pocket, whereas, some QB's like a Mahomes or even Rodgers and others tend to have a belief they will find and make a play. Or, like you stated, take off and run. At the very least throw the ball away.
That sounds like Tua from last year. The same for Goff, great from a lean pocket, bad under pressure. Armstead, Conner, and Cheetah have made life easier for Tua, more time to throw and more separation. Tua has become a top QB with a clean pocket and a little better while under pressure, but it has happened less frequently. How much better would Wilson have been if NY didn't have a state income tax?
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I haven't seen a ton of Wilson, but from I have seen in the pros or in college, he seems to have the ability to avoid the initial pass rush by evading the heat and roll out of the pocket. That's when he gets in trouble, as he plays hero ball and makes some really poor decisions. Someone should be able to harness his evasiveness and have him step up in the pocket and either hit a crosser or take off and run, especially in man coverage. He just needs to learn what to do . . . and be coached up.
Come watch Tua when he does not have a clean pocket.......disaster. When his pocket is clean....money.
It makes a huge difference. Mahomes, Allen and Lamar are true improvisers.
I think Wilson gets this season and another one to prove himself. When your a #2 overall.....you typically get your rookie contract to develop.....unless your Josh Rosen.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
If you can get past the bone headed INTs, he has made some spectacular throws and runs to escape the pass rush. He's played 1 full season of games. Since when do teams draft a QB in the first round and then pull the plug after 1 season? Improve his line and weapons and let's see what he can do. I just think its way too early to start digging his grave at this point.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Joe Flacco could not play behind the Jets decimated o-line. If they turned to him the season would be over anyway so what's the point?
The Frankman
Footballguy
Jets win despite Wilson, he is a bust. Has journeyman backup written all over him.
Jets play hard and look to be improved but with him at QB they will never win anything or compete for a Championship.
They need to figure out how to get a QB in there that can win games for them.
Jets play hard and look to be improved but with him at QB they will never win anything or compete for a Championship.
They need to figure out how to get a QB in there that can win games for them.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Not ready to call Wilson a bust. Very shortsighted. He was raw coming into the league. Only his sophomore year. Who saw Tua doing what he’s done this year.
foxco
Footballguy
Not me, I'm still holding Jeff George in one dynasty league, just in case he gets the call.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He's played in 17 NFL games.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
This. Let’s see how he looks at the start of next season.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
...or later in this season. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and say he's played well or that it's clear he'll be a future stud, but it's odd to make absolute statements already after one full season of games (especially after coming off one of his better games). But it's par for the course for some people on here.
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zamboni
Footballguy
Saleh & Co.’s team has evolved the way he wants it - strong defense and a strong running game. They clearly want Zach to move the offense, minimize turnovers and, yes, win games. It may never result in big time fantasy stats for him, but that’s not what they are looking for.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Of course at some point he’ll need to evolve into a guy that can win games if he really a franchise QB, but agree right now they’re obviously protecting him (which is what they should have done last year).
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
17 is an eternity according to one poster (who I won't name) who has already written off Willis's career after 2 games.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, he's been historically terrible.
His EPA is 27th among quarterbacks per dropback. You know what Mac Jones is, Pat homer? You don't want to know.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He’s ranked one spot ahead of Wilson when pressured. NE is 25th in EPA I believe. I am not a Mac fan, but I am not totally sold that he is the biggest problem.
rockaction
Footballguy
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Ugly game all around, especially Wilson's play
Foosball God
Foos
I have him in my main dynasty league so I really was hoping he'd be good, but he's just not. Jets need to move on, they have too many other good pieces to wait.
If you ask the Tuanon cult they would all tell you “I told you so”.
I agree it took Josh Allen 3 years to really show it.
Even despite todays house of horrors Wilson will get at least another full season in 2023 to develop.
Tua and Allen were never THIS bad. They both showed occasional flashes, and Allen always had the rushing ability to fall back on.
This feels a lot closer to Josh Rosen, where its a question of, what does he even do well? I felt like Darnold showed more in his first 2 years.
All that said, I can't see benching him, because its not like Mike White or Joe Flacco is the answer.
rockaction
Footballguy
This would be a mistaken belief.
Wilson, with a clean pocket, is around league-average.
Darnold was just terrible. The "ghosts" game against NE showed he didn't have what it took, either physically or mentally.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is starting to remind me of the Simpsons episode in New York. At one point, one of the drawings on the bus is an advertisement.
It says "Can you play quarterback? Dial 1-888-NY-JETS"
Totally apropos for the developments since the last NE game for Wilson.
It says "Can you play quarterback? Dial 1-888-NY-JETS"
Totally apropos for the developments since the last NE game for Wilson.
Wilson sees "ghosts" too. So many times, he abandons clean pockets and runs to pressure. I think Darnold was more accurate and a better decision maker. Wilson is a better athlete.
Through his first 20 starts (how many Wilson has had so far) Darnold had at least 5 games where he looked better than Wilson ever has. I will say Wilson hasn't had anything quite as bad as that "ghost" game against NE was for Darnold, but the overall performance favors Darnold by a good margin.
Wilson has 1 300-yard game, and 0 3-TD games, Darnold had 3 of each by this point. Darnold had a much better TD-INT ratio and completion percentage, which basically everyone does.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I get it. Wilson hasn't looked great against NE. But neither have a bunch of other Jets QBs facing the hooded one. In the 14-game losing streak against NE (Wilson 4 games, Darnold 3, McCown 2, Fitzpatrick 2, Flacco 1, Falk 1, Petty 1) . . .
The Jets have been outscored by an average of 29-11. Jets QBs have completed 56.3% of their passes for 217 yds/gm. They have thrown 12 TD to 23 INT with a 64.2 passer rating. They scored more than 17 points only once (27 points in the one game Flacco started). The Pats held the Jets to under 100 yards passing 3 times.
Wilson is 0-4 with a 51% completion percentage, 173 passing yds/gm, 2 TD, 7 INT, and a 50.6 passer rating.
I still think with better coaching, game planning, and better OL play that Wilson could end up being a decent QB. The question will be can he get those things playing for the Jets (and how long will they give him to develop).
The Jets have been outscored by an average of 29-11. Jets QBs have completed 56.3% of their passes for 217 yds/gm. They have thrown 12 TD to 23 INT with a 64.2 passer rating. They scored more than 17 points only once (27 points in the one game Flacco started). The Pats held the Jets to under 100 yards passing 3 times.
Wilson is 0-4 with a 51% completion percentage, 173 passing yds/gm, 2 TD, 7 INT, and a 50.6 passer rating.
I still think with better coaching, game planning, and better OL play that Wilson could end up being a decent QB. The question will be can he get those things playing for the Jets (and how long will they give him to develop).
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Jets need to decide if they are wasting time waiting on something that may never happen, or search for another QB for next season.
Wasting seasons away is a real thing.
Wasting seasons away is a real thing.
Army Eye
Footballguy
I'm more coming down on your side. Darnold absolutely showed more than Wilson so far. And Wilson has a better offense around him
