Rams to re-commit to S. Jax (1 Viewer)

[Cowboys#1]

The Belleville News-Democrat reports that following the Rams' collapse against the Panthers in Week 11, the coaching staff plans to re-commit the gameplan to running the football, something they didn't do enough of in Carolina. "Looking back on it, we need to make sure we stick with the run and not take Steven Jackson out of the football game," offensive coordinator Greg Olson said. "To me, that's what occurred. We have to find a way to run the ball into some not-so favorable looks, and make sure they are not allowed to take Steven Jackson out of the football game." Head coach Scott Linehan echoed these sentiments but did add that because the Rams were behind, they were forced to throw more to get back into the game, which is very common among all NFL teams.

source: sportsline

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rams playcalling is some of the most atrocious in all of football, the guy is a monster and does not get the respect he deserves from his own coaches (in terms of running the ball from inside the 20). I know he started off slow with some red zone stops but hes picked it up of late..

the rams season is shot so i dont know what to expect of their skill players but if they give jax the ball they will be better off.

 

[mbuehner]

Can anyone explain what happened in that game? I watched it and I still don't understand what i saw. Its like the Panthers mesmerized the Rams and suddenly the game was over. Bulger threw for 4 yards an attempt? Thats crazy. And then they only run Jackson 7 times?

You look at the stats you would think this game was played in a blizzard.

 

[Yitbos69]

Can anyone explain what happened in that game? I watched it and I still don't understand what i saw. Its like the Panthers mesmerized the Rams and suddenly the game was over. Bulger threw for 4 yards an attempt? Thats crazy. And then they only run Jackson 7 times?You look at the stats you would think this game was played in a blizzard.

I watched the game as well and I think I was mesmerized also.

 

[mbuehner]

Anybody who doesnt think Carolina is the #2 team in the NFC isnt paying attention.

 

[J R]

Can anyone explain what happened in that game? I watched it and I still don't understand what i saw. Its like the Panthers mesmerized the Rams and suddenly the game was over. Bulger threw for 4 yards an attempt? Thats crazy. And then they only run Jackson 7 times?

You look at the stats you would think this game was played in a blizzard.

OL is a disaster right now. Check out this quote:

Former Rams defensive tackle Damione Lewis, who signed with Carolina in the offseason as a free agent, was credited with 1 1/2 sacks. "We felt like we could line up across the board, our four against their five, and get at least two people to the quarterback at any given time," Lewis said. "We kept them on their heels the whole day."

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I think what happened is just that nothing really worked, so you combine some 3 and outs with Carolina pounding the ball down the field on the great Jim Haslett's D and eating the clock up and pretty soon it's the 4th Q and you haven't run the ball much.

 

[J R]

Anybody who doesnt think Carolina is the #2 team in the NFC isnt paying attention.

Who's #1?

 

[lions327]

It's impossible to get a running game going with 7 carries. He averaged almost 4 yards a carry too.

 

[Real Man of Genius]

Anybody who doesnt think Carolina is the #2 team in the NFC isnt paying attention.

Who's #1?

Must be Dallas, since they just whipped CAR at CAR.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Anybody who doesnt think Carolina is the #2 team in the NFC isnt paying attention.

Is that suppose to be a good thing? The NFC sucks this year. Carolina is not the same team as they were last year. They have problems closing games this year. Take the Cinci game and the Minnisota games as examples. They had not business losing those two games but they found a way to do it. This would not have happened last year. Real quick let, let me give you the top three teams in the NFC, and this does not include the Panthers.1. Bears2. Dallas3. Saints

 

[mbuehner]

Anybody who doesnt think Carolina is the #2 team in the NFC isnt paying attention.

Who's #1?

Must be Dallas, since they just whipped CAR at CAR.

The Bears are #1 in the NFC until proven otherwise. They're 3 games ahead of everyone else, that has to be respected. If they can beat NE at home i think they have a strong argument again for being the best team in the league. Grossman may have learned they can win no matter what he does so long as it isnt turning the ball over.Dallas is the only NFC team close to Carolina, and they did woop them at home. But Dallas has a real young QB and a ticking timebomb in TO... and unlike the Bears they havent proven they can overcome young QB bad patches. Romo is great when he's on, but how will he respond when he's off? Anyway, Carolina just didnt show up on offense that day for some reason and finally let it get broke open in the 4th quarter. Carolina is the team to watch- they have that calm veteran demeanor that gets it done come playoff time. They play defense and run the ball, but can score when they need to with the big play. They remind me a lot of New England in the way they carry themselves, they just relentlessly beat people down and all the sudden the game is over. I think Carolina beats Dallas in the playoffs, and NYG, Seattle, and St Louis dont even enter the equation. The Bears will have a dogfight again against Carolina, in my opinion.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Can anyone explain what happened in that game? I watched it and I still don't understand what i saw. Its like the Panthers mesmerized the Rams and suddenly the game was over. Bulger threw for 4 yards an attempt? Thats crazy. And then they only run Jackson 7 times?

You look at the stats you would think this game was played in a blizzard.

OL is a disaster right now. Check out this quote:

Former Rams defensive tackle Damione Lewis, who signed with Carolina in the offseason as a free agent, was credited with 1 1/2 sacks. "We felt like we could line up across the board, our four against their five, and get at least two people to the quarterback at any given time," Lewis said. "We kept them on their heels the whole day."

Link

I think what happened is just that nothing really worked, so you combine some 3 and outs with Carolina pounding the ball down the field on the great Jim Haslett's D and eating the clock up and pretty soon it's the 4th Q and you haven't run the ball much.

They still managed 34 pass attempts and 7 sacks, so 41 dropbacks. The game was never more than a 2-score deficit at any point so there's more to the 41:7 pass/run ration than just not having enough plays.

 

[North]

offensive coordinator Greg Olson needs to lose his job. Any moron could have called a better game than that, including me!

7 rushes in a game like that is laughable if your not a rams fan.

They can begin this recommitment by giving him at least 25 carries a game, which they haven't done yet!

 

[RonMexico]

Anybody who doesnt think Carolina is the #2 team in the NFC isnt paying attention.

Is that suppose to be a good thing? The NFC sucks this year. Carolina is not the same team as they were last year. They have problems closing games this year. Take the Cinci game and the Minnisota games as examples. They had not business losing those two games but they found a way to do it. This would not have happened last year. Real quick let, let me give you the top three teams in the NFC, and this does not include the Panthers.1. Bears2. Dallas3. Saints

How can you say the Saints are better than the Panthers when they lost to them already this season?

 

[J R]

Can anyone explain what happened in that game? I watched it and I still don't understand what i saw. Its like the Panthers mesmerized the Rams and suddenly the game was over. Bulger threw for 4 yards an attempt? Thats crazy. And then they only run Jackson 7 times?

You look at the stats you would think this game was played in a blizzard.

OL is a disaster right now. Check out this quote:

Former Rams defensive tackle Damione Lewis, who signed with Carolina in the offseason as a free agent, was credited with 1 1/2 sacks. "We felt like we could line up across the board, our four against their five, and get at least two people to the quarterback at any given time," Lewis said. "We kept them on their heels the whole day."

Link

I think what happened is just that nothing really worked, so you combine some 3 and outs with Carolina pounding the ball down the field on the great Jim Haslett's D and eating the clock up and pretty soon it's the 4th Q and you haven't run the ball much.

They still managed 34 pass attempts and 7 sacks, so 41 dropbacks. The game was never more than a 2-score deficit at any point so there's more to the 41:7 pass/run ration than just not having enough plays.

I'm not trying to excuse Linehan - don't get me wrong there. I think it's obvious there could have been more run calls, especially considering they had Adam Goldberg starting at LT. If you look at the play-by-play, you see Carolina eating up huge chunks of time driving down the field with their running game. Then when the Rams get the ball, pretty much nothing works so they end up in a lot of passing downs. I think those are the 2 main reasons they ended up with such an imbalance. I'm just working off the assumption that it's more complicated than having the will to call a bunch of running plays, and trying to figure out what Linehan was thinking. It's more interesting than having a dogpile on Linehan with the smilies kinda thread.So far, it looks like Linehan is passing the blame to his QB, at least sort of:

On why the Rams didn’t run more: “I intended to run the ball more. We came out of some runs because we have some run-pass options on some. I think I counted six that were called that were thrown because of the (defensive) look. We left a couple on that weren’t successful because we still have to run the football.

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[BassNBrew]

Can anyone explain what happened in that game? I watched it and I still don't understand what i saw. Its like the Panthers mesmerized the Rams and suddenly the game was over. Bulger threw for 4 yards an attempt? Thats crazy. And then they only run Jackson 7 times?You look at the stats you would think this game was played in a blizzard.

The Rams WRs were imitating Seahawk receivers come playoff time. If those drops didn't happen, this game changes remarkably.

 

[Kiddnets]

What is it about the Rams coaches that hate the run - Martz refused to ride JAx last year now its happening again with an entire new regime. It's mind boggling! The guy is a stud - feed him the rock!!!

 

[jbz]

i assume it's tempting to drop back and pitch it around with guys like Holt, Bruce, Curtis, etc and Bulger at QB

 

[Oh the Humanity]

i assume it's tempting to drop back and pitch it around with guys like Holt, Bruce, Curtis, etc and Bulger at QB

But by not running they're defeating the passing game, too. Holt caught seven balls, but only got 68 yds which sounds like Bulger isn't getting enough time to throw deep. If the line is banged up and they aren't running, the line justs tees off on the QB. (Bulger's lack of mobility doesn't help). the Rams need to attempt to run about 40-50% of the time even if they aren't making any yardage just to keep the D-line honest.

 

[J R]

What is it about the Rams coaches that hate the run - Martz refused to ride JAx last year now its happening again with an entire new regime. It's mind boggling! The guy is a stud - feed him the rock!!!

A. Martz didn't coach most of the games last year.B. Jackson had injuries last year which kept the Rams from "riding" him.C. Until this last game, Jackson was 7th in the NFL in carries, only a few out of 3rd, and 1st in touches.Otherwise, I think you're right on.

 

[Kiddnets]

What is it about the Rams coaches that hate the run - Martz refused to ride JAx last year now its happening again with an entire new regime. It's mind boggling! The guy is a stud - feed him the rock!!!

A. Martz didn't coach most of the games last year.B. Jackson had injuries last year which kept the Rams from "riding" him.C. Until this last game, Jackson was 7th in the NFL in carries, only a few out of 3rd, and 1st in touches.Otherwise, I think you're right on.

A. Martz and his temp replacement last year both failed to committ to the run. B. All RBs are dinged up during the year - Jax could have carried the rock a lot more and been fineC. After this game where is he in carries? Probably 10 or higher which IMO is unacceptable with a stud back like Jax. Yes I'm an owner - but more importantly just don't see how this current regime did not learn from the sins of the past one.

 

[North]

What is it about the Rams coaches that hate the run - Martz refused to ride JAx last year now its happening again with an entire new regime. It's mind boggling! The guy is a stud - feed him the rock!!!

A. Martz didn't coach most of the games last year.B. Jackson had injuries last year which kept the Rams from "riding" him.C. Until this last game, Jackson was 7th in the NFL in carries, only a few out of 3rd, and 1st in touches.Otherwise, I think you're right on.

A. Martz and his temp replacement last year both failed to committ to the run. B. All RBs are dinged up during the year - Jax could have carried the rock a lot more and been fineC. After this game where is he in carries? Probably 10 or higher which IMO is unacceptable with a stud back like Jax. Yes I'm an owner - but more importantly just don't see how this current regime did not learn from the sins of the past one.

You're right on. Even before this week, 7th in carries is not enough. He still hasn't had a game with 25 carries. He is the type who needs the ball more, he can wear defenses down.Plus, Bulger is extremely overrated. They should committ to the run and just let Bulger play the role of "game manager" rather then looking for him to win the game. This system has made some stupid calls this year and I'm glad to see it is finally catching up with them. They got lucky with Arizona. Another game they were up 4 with less than 5 minutes left and just received a punt, what should they have done? Inc. pass, inc. pass, inc. pass, punt. Only 40 seconds off the clock. With the lead and game in hand, thats when you run but the coaches just love to throw the ball.You can preach all you want about how he has some many touches but the fact is when they should be running him (with the lead late in the game, inside the 10) they are NOT. SJAX usually gets 1 shot inside the 10 and thats it. I admit he dances around but with a QB who tends to make mistakes and an O line who gives up sacks, he should be getting the ball more.

 

[go corn]

Huh... no mention of losing Pace for the year in the entire thread. Don't suppose that has anything to do with the Rams sudden inability to run or pass the ball the last two games, does it?

What is it about the Rams coaches that hate the run - Martz refused to ride JAx last year now its happening again with an entire new regime. It's mind boggling! The guy is a stud - feed him the rock!!!

A. Martz didn't coach most of the games last year.B. Jackson had injuries last year which kept the Rams from "riding" him.C. Until this last game, Jackson was 7th in the NFL in carries, only a few out of 3rd, and 1st in touches.Otherwise, I think you're right on.

A. Martz and his temp replacement last year both failed to committ to the run. B. All RBs are dinged up during the year - Jax could have carried the rock a lot more and been fineC. After this game where is he in carries? Probably 10 or higher which IMO is unacceptable with a stud back like Jax. Yes I'm an owner - but more importantly just don't see how this current regime did not learn from the sins of the past one.

You're right on. Even before this week, 7th in carries is not enough. He still hasn't had a game with 25 carries. He is the type who needs the ball more, he can wear defenses down.Plus, Bulger is extremely overrated. They should committ to the run and just let Bulger play the role of "game manager" rather then looking for him to win the game. This system has made some stupid calls this year and I'm glad to see it is finally catching up with them. They got lucky with Arizona. Another game they were up 4 with less than 5 minutes left and just received a punt, what should they have done? Inc. pass, inc. pass, inc. pass, punt. Only 40 seconds off the clock. With the lead and game in hand, thats when you run but the coaches just love to throw the ball.You can preach all you want about how he has some many touches but the fact is when they should be running him (with the lead late in the game, inside the 10) they are NOT. SJAX usually gets 1 shot inside the 10 and thats it. I admit he dances around but with a QB who tends to make mistakes and an O line who gives up sacks, he should be getting the ball more.

 

[Kiddnets]

Huh... no mention of losing Pace for the year in the entire thread. Don't suppose that has anything to do with the Rams sudden inability to run or pass the ball the last two games, does it?

What is it about the Rams coaches that hate the run - Martz refused to ride JAx last year now its happening again with an entire new regime. It's mind boggling! The guy is a stud - feed him the rock!!!

A. Martz didn't coach most of the games last year.B. Jackson had injuries last year which kept the Rams from "riding" him.C. Until this last game, Jackson was 7th in the NFL in carries, only a few out of 3rd, and 1st in touches.Otherwise, I think you're right on.

A. Martz and his temp replacement last year both failed to committ to the run. B. All RBs are dinged up during the year - Jax could have carried the rock a lot more and been fineC. After this game where is he in carries? Probably 10 or higher which IMO is unacceptable with a stud back like Jax. Yes I'm an owner - but more importantly just don't see how this current regime did not learn from the sins of the past one.

You're right on. Even before this week, 7th in carries is not enough. He still hasn't had a game with 25 carries. He is the type who needs the ball more, he can wear defenses down.Plus, Bulger is extremely overrated. They should committ to the run and just let Bulger play the role of "game manager" rather then looking for him to win the game. This system has made some stupid calls this year and I'm glad to see it is finally catching up with them. They got lucky with Arizona. Another game they were up 4 with less than 5 minutes left and just received a punt, what should they have done? Inc. pass, inc. pass, inc. pass, punt. Only 40 seconds off the clock. With the lead and game in hand, thats when you run but the coaches just love to throw the ball.You can preach all you want about how he has some many touches but the fact is when they should be running him (with the lead late in the game, inside the 10) they are NOT. SJAX usually gets 1 shot inside the 10 and thats it. I admit he dances around but with a QB who tends to make mistakes and an O line who gives up sacks, he should be getting the ball more.

Inability to run is one thing - ignoring the run is another! I am talking about the lack of carries - if he sees 25 carries and gets 57 yds then blame the OL issues. 7 carries all game I blame the coaching staff!

 

[J R]

Huh... no mention of losing Pace for the year in the entire thread. Don't suppose that has anything to do with the Rams sudden inability to run or pass the ball the last two games, does it? yes.gif

Huh... I thought mentioning that Adam Goldberg started at LT and linking to an article on the game with comments from Carolina DL on the Rams OL sorta counted as that.

You're right on. Even before this week, 7th in carries is not enough. He still hasn't had a game with 25 carries. He is the type who needs the ball more, he can wear defenses down.Plus, Bulger is extremely overrated. They should committ to the run and just let Bulger play the role of "game manager" rather then looking for him to win the game. This system has made some stupid calls this year and I'm glad to see it is finally catching up with them. They got lucky with Arizona. Another game they were up 4 with less than 5 minutes left and just received a punt, what should they have done? Inc. pass, inc. pass, inc. pass, punt. Only 40 seconds off the clock. With the lead and game in hand, thats when you run but the coaches just love to throw the ball.You can preach all you want about how he has some many touches but the fact is when they should be running him (with the lead late in the game, inside the 10) they are NOT. SJAX usually gets 1 shot inside the 10 and thats it. I admit he dances around but with a QB who tends to make mistakes and an O line who gives up sacks, he should be getting the ball more.

You sound like a box score carry counter. No one here is arguing that getting Jackson only 7 carries a game is a good idea, that's a strawman argument. This 'coaches are stupid they should run more' argument is an oversimplification (that's not as bad as just simply saying, Jackson wasn't hurt when he was, which is a kindof take-it-on-faith statement that no one can disagree with since it's not based on evidence) that's not going to help anyone analyze the situation and make informed decisions about who to play accordingly.

 

[J R]

May be of interest:

Linehan gives up playcalling

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After losing five consecutive games, things had to change. And that started at the top, where Linehan helped prepare the game plan -– then entrusted Olson, his top offensive aide, to implement it.

“I thought he did a great job of doing that,” Linehan said. “It allows me to spend more time in all three phases of the game.

“I wanted my impact felt as a head football coach. It was time.”

Olson re-established the running game, giving Steven Jackson and Stephen Davis 21 first-half carries and 28 overall.