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Yup. Takes me a good 5 or 6 runs for new shoes to feel right. I'll slowly introduce new shoes into the rotation (I rotate 2 pairs all the time) and start them out on the easiest/shortest runs (recovery). I think it takes a few runs for everything to 'seat' - laces, stitching, insoles, etc. I know some don't worry about break-in, but I notice a big difference, personally.
Same here. My attitude is that if I enough juice left to sprint the last .1-.2, then I probably should have gone faster earlier. For the past few years, I've been trying to set a less-conservative pace from the get-go with the goal being to finish on fumes. (Marathon excluded -- the risk/reward ratio favors something more conservative on this one IMO).This has always fascinated me and I've learned to really push the envelope with making a move earlier than usual. I really tested this out on my last half and started making moves on racers at the 10mi mark. Making subtle upticks in pace05-:10) and seeing who's going to come along for the ride or not is a lot of friggin' fun. It hurts like hell, but man what a blast. Maybe one day I'll be strong enough to do this in a marathon.
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This... I only run about 6 to twelve miles a week slowly increasing my distance. I have started to get this same pain in my arch after I switched shoes as well. I went back to my old pair. But it starts at the heel and stops between mid arch and the ball of my foot.I have been following this thread for a while. While I don't understand half of what you guys talk about your race reports and run updates keep me motivated to keep getting up off the couch. With that being said I had my longest run this weekend of five miles at a 947 pace with the whole run being up and down not to much flat ground...Happy to finally get my feet wet in this thread.
I'm probably the strange one around here, but I've fixed most of these issues in the weight room. When I get foot issues it's time for heavy calf raises. I generally do single legged 300 lb x 10 reps with a 10 sec stretch at the end.
Welcome! And congrats on setting a new distance personal record!
beer, you pointed our recently that you were approaching 1K miles for the year (with the 'unsure' icon), and daveGP, your mileage has been increasing, albeit slowly. It does raise the possibility for both of you that your feet haven't fully adjusted to your mileage. Check your history ...have you given yourself a rest period? Also, do you take some time to stretch out the feet and ankles? One good trick is to sit on the edge of the bed in the a.m. and just roll your feet around, angle your feet up/out and down/in, and 'stretch' the toes. And daveGP, we ('davegameplayer said:
) don't understand half of what we're saying, so don't worry about that! Good to have you aboard.
I read a lot about what is used in the decisions to cancel races after my Green Bay Marathon cancellation. It seems the standard is to measure Wet Bulb Globe Temperature. Components are temperature, humidity, wind speed and infrared radiation. If the WBGT sets up to, like, 83, the event is in danger of being cancelled. In case you're curious, I remember posting a link to a video about this in this thread near the end of May.
This is pretty much exactly how I felt last year. I am really enjoying concentrating on half's. i just feel that is my distance. It is challenging but manageable.I do see myself trying another full at some point but right now I am happy with the half's. I am also happy that I can say I am a one time marathoner.'sho nuff said:Day after marathon...not too bad off (probably with all the walking/shuffling I did not do as much...but still expect more pain to come).Biggest thing in my right hamstring/knee. Its generally ok once loosened up and walking...but sitting for any amount of time (like the 4 hour car ride home) really tightens up the hammy and knee and makes it fun to stand and start walking again.Why do you all do this more than once?Maybe its just the early post-marathon feeling after it going like that...but I see myself sticking to half marathons for a while. Maybe one day I get pissed off at how it went and forget the pain of training and the run yesterday and give it another go (if so, Disney in 5 years will be their 25th anniversary of their marathon I believe)...but still not sure I can convince myself or my wife to really want me to do that again.Halfs just seem right to me. Training is strenuous without being "too much" for me time wise...and the race distance is far more manageable to me.Reminds me of HS track where I finally settled into the groove of running 400m over things like 800m or 1600m races which I never did that well at.
Congrats again on your achievement. It is a very small percentage of people that have done what you did.
Oddly enough just checked and tomorrow I should pass 1k for the year. I've had 4 months of 130+ miles, you'd think that would have worked the kinks out by now, no? I do very little stretching although I've started doing more with this core workout I've been doing. As far as rest goes, define rest? Take a whole week off? After the HM a few weeks ago I only ran 20 something easy miles for the week so I kinda considered that my rest week along with the taper week before. I've also got a week off coming up for Christmas where any running at all will be a challenge.If anything I want to dial up the long slow miles but I also don't want something like a stress fracture to hinder training.beer, you pointed our recently that you were approaching 1K miles for the year (with the 'unsure' icon), and daveGP, your mileage has been increasing, albeit slowly. It does raise the possibility for both of you that your feet haven't fully adjusted to your mileage. Check your history ...have you given yourself a rest period? Also, do you take some time to stretch out the feet and ankles? One good trick is to sit on the edge of the bed in the a.m. and just roll your feet around, angle your feet up/out and down/in, and 'stretch' the toes.
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I am running the half and i have not gotten this update?Not sure where you guys live or what temps you are used to but it has been unseasonably warm even for here. It is upper 40s when I head out at 4:30 am for work and it is in upper 70s lower 80s in the afternoon. I ran 15 miles Sat morning at 7:00 am trying to get a feeling for the temps and I was fine but it was getting warm around 9:00am.
WI here, typical December temps probably max out in the low 30s. last saturday i went out for a run around 6 AM and it was 12 with a whipping wind.Ivan- I just saw the update:IMPORTANT UPDATE: STARTING TIME CHANGED FOR TUCSON MARATHON If you haven't already seen this on the Tucson Marathon website...After serious conversations with key race committee members, especially our Medical Staff, regarding the recent weather in Tucson we have decided to move the starting time for the Full Marathon and Marathon Relay events to 7:00am (instead of 7:30am). Given the extended weather forecast, which calls for continued hot weather in Southern Arizona, and the fact that many participants will be coming from colder climates, we feel this time change will minimize the chances of heat related issues on the course. (The start time for the Damascus Bakeries Tucson Half Marathon will remain at 7:00am.)To me that looks like they are worried about people who are coming from much cooler climates. What kind of temps are you folks used to?I personally cant imagine any heat related issues Sunday.
Yeah...we have had some very nice days for December.Saturday for the Marathon it was 61 before I left my car at 7am...it was 71 on the way home.
I don't know that you need to take a full week off, but if that opportunity is coming up, it might not hurt to take it. Beyond that, it might be good to avoid back-to-back days for a little while, or even get two days rest for each day of running. In between, work in some stretching ...see if the pain starts to go away. You could emphasize the stretching and maybe strength work for a few weeks and see if you're in good shape for 2013. I do hope it clears up after a solid year for you!!!Oddly enough just checked and tomorrow I should pass 1k for the year. I've had 4 months of 130+ miles, you'd think that would have worked the kinks out by now, no? I do very little stretching although I've started doing more with this core workout I've been doing. As far as rest goes, define rest? Take a whole week off? After the HM a few weeks ago I only ran 20 something easy miles for the week so I kinda considered that my rest week along with the taper week before. I've also got a week off coming up for Christmas where any running at all will be a challenge.If anything I want to dial up the long slow miles but I also don't want something like a stress fracture to hinder training.beer, you pointed our recently that you were approaching 1K miles for the year (with the 'unsure' icon), and daveGP, your mileage has been increasing, albeit slowly. It does raise the possibility for both of you that your feet haven't fully adjusted to your mileage. Check your history ...have you given yourself a rest period? Also, do you take some time to stretch out the feet and ankles? One good trick is to sit on the edge of the bed in the a.m. and just roll your feet around, angle your feet up/out and down/in, and 'stretch' the toes.
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Also go get a DT massage.One other thing was I noticed the "rest before the race" comment. Rest is to recover from previous workouts/races. You need just as much, if not more, rest after a race. Especially a HM+ type event.I don't know that you need to take a full week off, but if that opportunity is coming up, it might not hurt to take it. Beyond that, it might be good to avoid back-to-back days for a little while, or even get two days rest for each day of running. In between, work in some stretching ...see if the pain starts to go away. You could emphasize the stretching and maybe strength work for a few weeks and see if you're in good shape for 2013. I do hope it clears up after a solid year for you!!!Oddly enough just checked and tomorrow I should pass 1k for the year. I've had 4 months of 130+ miles, you'd think that would have worked the kinks out by now, no? I do very little stretching although I've started doing more with this core workout I've been doing. As far as rest goes, define rest? Take a whole week off? After the HM a few weeks ago I only ran 20 something easy miles for the week so I kinda considered that my rest week along with the taper week before. I've also got a week off coming up for Christmas where any running at all will be a challenge.If anything I want to dial up the long slow miles but I also don't want something like a stress fracture to hinder training.beer, you pointed our recently that you were approaching 1K miles for the year (with the 'unsure' icon), and daveGP, your mileage has been increasing, albeit slowly. It does raise the possibility for both of you that your feet haven't fully adjusted to your mileage. Check your history ...have you given yourself a rest period? Also, do you take some time to stretch out the feet and ankles? One good trick is to sit on the edge of the bed in the a.m. and just roll your feet around, angle your feet up/out and down/in, and 'stretch' the toes.
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We live in South Dakota. Usually we would have had snow on the ground before Thanksgiving (not this year though).Like Jux said, I understand that race directors might be a little more skittish about high temps given some of the races that we've seen in the past few years. It's just that this particular forecast doesn't seem that bad and I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing some sort of weather quirk that southwesterners know about but that I don't.Ivan- I just saw the update:IMPORTANT UPDATE: STARTING TIME CHANGED FOR TUCSON MARATHON If you haven't already seen this on the Tucson Marathon website...After serious conversations with key race committee members, especially our Medical Staff, regarding the recent weather in Tucson we have decided to move the starting time for the Full Marathon and Marathon Relay events to 7:00am (instead of 7:30am). Given the extended weather forecast, which calls for continued hot weather in Southern Arizona, and the fact that many participants will be coming from colder climates, we feel this time change will minimize the chances of heat related issues on the course. (The start time for the Damascus Bakeries Tucson Half Marathon will remain at 7:00am.)
To me that looks like they are worried about people who are coming from much cooler climates. What kind of temps are you folks used to?
I personally cant imagine any heat related issues Sunday.
* Check your pm
I usually mixed them in during the second half of the run. If I was doing 10x100, for example, I might do four each mile for the last 2.5 miles. However, I also found that these bothered my knees a lot, so I quit doing them about halfway through the program. So you might want to take my advice with a grain of salt.
Thanks. I would rather just do intervals for my speed but we will see how it goes today.
These are really form drills, not true speedwork. I mean, they help with speed because they improve your running economy, but you never get winded doing them the same way you would if you were running 800s.
They probably just want to play it safe and squeeze out a little more morning for the 5-hour crowd in case conditions are a little less favorable than anticipated.We live in South Dakota. Usually we would have had snow on the ground before Thanksgiving (not this year though).Like Jux said, I understand that race directors might be a little more skittish about high temps given some of the races that we've seen in the past few years. It's just that this particular forecast doesn't seem that bad and I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't missing some sort of weather quirk that southwesterners know about but that I don't.Ivan- I just saw the update:IMPORTANT UPDATE: STARTING TIME CHANGED FOR TUCSON MARATHON If you haven't already seen this on the Tucson Marathon website...After serious conversations with key race committee members, especially our Medical Staff, regarding the recent weather in Tucson we have decided to move the starting time for the Full Marathon and Marathon Relay events to 7:00am (instead of 7:30am). Given the extended weather forecast, which calls for continued hot weather in Southern Arizona, and the fact that many participants will be coming from colder climates, we feel this time change will minimize the chances of heat related issues on the course. (The start time for the Damascus Bakeries Tucson Half Marathon will remain at 7:00am.)
To me that looks like they are worried about people who are coming from much cooler climates. What kind of temps are you folks used to?
I personally cant imagine any heat related issues Sunday.
* Check your pm
Even though I paid $85 for the event, $70 for new compression shorts, $20 for food, salt tabs, new batteries for gizmos, etc, and will have $50 in gas I'm too cheap to spend $5 on gloves to toss.Sounds great. At 46, I'd wear light gloves to start though.
Actually at that temp and with the initial excitment and likely Sanding the first mile, my hands would be sweating after a 1/4 mile and I'd be carrying them to dump about 6 miles after that.
Even though I paid $85 for the event, $70 for new compression shorts, $20 for food, salt tabs, new batteries for gizmos, etc, and will have $50 in gas I'm too cheap to spend $5 on gloves to toss.
But I've seen gloves at Target for $1.99!
I know your history, GB. You'll be dumping after 6 miles, and it will have nothing to do with gloves. Come to think of it, the gloves could come in rather handy ...
So I was checking out the kicks this morning to see if there was something in the arch area of the shoe that may be causing the pain and while there was nothing there I did discover something a lot more troubling. My pinky toes have hurt like hell lately, no blisters just very sore to the touch, like wearing socks hurt them. So I look at the right shoe because that one hurts the most and notice that I've worn through the padding on the shoe and the only thing stopping me from having a hole in my shoe is the webbing (notice the circle in each pic, that white is my sock). So my feet in both shoes are doing this. Under/over pronating maybe? I ran on them today laced really loose and it helped some but my foot is firmly not seated properly in these shoes (I added the lines to show the way my foot is seated in the shoes). Asics GT 2170's with 164.2 miles on them, purchased 10/31/12.RightAlso go get a DT massage.One other thing was I noticed the "rest before the race" comment. Rest is to recover from previous workouts/races. You need just as much, if not more, rest after a race. Especially a HM+ type event.I don't know that you need to take a full week off, but if that opportunity is coming up, it might not hurt to take it. Beyond that, it might be good to avoid back-to-back days for a little while, or even get two days rest for each day of running. In between, work in some stretching ...see if the pain starts to go away. You could emphasize the stretching and maybe strength work for a few weeks and see if you're in good shape for 2013. I do hope it clears up after a solid year for you!!!Oddly enough just checked and tomorrow I should pass 1k for the year. I've had 4 months of 130+ miles, you'd think that would have worked the kinks out by now, no? I do very little stretching although I've started doing more with this core workout I've been doing. As far as rest goes, define rest? Take a whole week off? After the HM a few weeks ago I only ran 20 something easy miles for the week so I kinda considered that my rest week along with the taper week before. I've also got a week off coming up for Christmas where any running at all will be a challenge.If anything I want to dial up the long slow miles but I also don't want something like a stress fracture to hinder training.beer, you pointed our recently that you were approaching 1K miles for the year (with the 'unsure' icon), and daveGP, your mileage has been increasing, albeit slowly. It does raise the possibility for both of you that your feet haven't fully adjusted to your mileage. Check your history ...have you given yourself a rest period? Also, do you take some time to stretch out the feet and ankles? One good trick is to sit on the edge of the bed in the a.m. and just roll your feet around, angle your feet up/out and down/in, and 'stretch' the toes.
And daveGP, we (
How did you originally decide on the type and size of shoe to buy?So I was checking out the kicks this morning to see if there was something in the arch area of the shoe that may be causing the pain and while there was nothing there I did discover something a lot more troubling. My pinky toes have hurt like hell lately, no blisters just very sore to the touch, like wearing socks hurt them. So I look at the right shoe because that one hurts the most and notice that I've worn through the padding on the shoe and the only thing stopping me from having a hole in my shoe is the webbing (notice the circle in each pic, that white is my sock). So my feet in both shoes are doing this. Under/over pronating maybe? I ran on them today laced really loose and it helped some but my foot is firmly not seated properly in these shoes (I added the lines to show the way my foot is seated in the shoes). Asics GT 2170's with 164.2 miles on them, purchased 10/31/12.RightAlso go get a DT massage.One other thing was I noticed the "rest before the race" comment. Rest is to recover from previous workouts/races. You need just as much, if not more, rest after a race. Especially a HM+ type event.I don't know that you need to take a full week off, but if that opportunity is coming up, it might not hurt to take it. Beyond that, it might be good to avoid back-to-back days for a little while, or even get two days rest for each day of running. In between, work in some stretching ...see if the pain starts to go away. You could emphasize the stretching and maybe strength work for a few weeks and see if you're in good shape for 2013. I do hope it clears up after a solid year for you!!!Oddly enough just checked and tomorrow I should pass 1k for the year. I've had 4 months of 130+ miles, you'd think that would have worked the kinks out by now, no? I do very little stretching although I've started doing more with this core workout I've been doing. As far as rest goes, define rest? Take a whole week off? After the HM a few weeks ago I only ran 20 something easy miles for the week so I kinda considered that my rest week along with the taper week before. I've also got a week off coming up for Christmas where any running at all will be a challenge.If anything I want to dial up the long slow miles but I also don't want something like a stress fracture to hinder training.beer, you pointed our recently that you were approaching 1K miles for the year (with the 'unsure' icon), and daveGP, your mileage has been increasing, albeit slowly. It does raise the possibility for both of you that your feet haven't fully adjusted to your mileage. Check your history ...have you given yourself a rest period? Also, do you take some time to stretch out the feet and ankles? One good trick is to sit on the edge of the bed in the a.m. and just roll your feet around, angle your feet up/out and down/in, and 'stretch' the toes.
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Size was equal to the prior two pair I had (13EE). They had 13's there at the time and they were way too tight, pretty confident that's the size I need as the shoes felt fine when I initially had them on. As for brand, just picked something with good stability similar to what I was running (NB 1080's). I was pushed because I had that HM coming up and just couldn't get another two weeks out of the NB I was in. These seemed to work and happened to be on sale.
Maybe try the Nike Vomero?
Maybe try the Nike Vomero?
Similar to how I did them.And also mixed in some hill "sprints" instead of the strides at times.
You're probably overdue to seek out a running store and have them analyze your running style on a treadmill and get properly fitted.
That's who put me in the NB
Bought the first pair from them, got the 2nd pair online as they discontinued them. Haven't tried on the replacements yet.
That's a low (and stinky) blow...
I grew up in Tucson. Mid 70s feels cooler than it does elsewhere. Also I think that race is all downhill? It's not like there's a hard section when it gets warmer. I don't know why they would bother changing the time.
This is the one part of 18/55 I didn't really do. The 100s. I did them a few times but the program was so difficult I needed to cut something and that was it.
Perfect. Keep this up through the winter and you'll be ready to roll when spring gets here.
Beastly.In my head I picture you as Swede from Heartbreak Ridge.
The more I think about this the stupider it sounds. They are risking a ton of complaints from people who miss the start for a minor tweak. Seriously if you finish 26.2 in under 5 hours it may not even be 70 degrees when you are done. It typically gets hottest there around 3pm.
