Darrinll40
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Assuming I have the right race for meeka, it starts in about 20 minutes and it is 46 degrees there. What great running weather.
Minneapolis
Minneapolis
Awesomeness, thanks! Follow up question, at the turn, would I gain speed by spending a bit more time under water and if so, what does that look like (stroke, position, etc)? I don't want to monkey with too much, but am also way competitive and if I can gain a bit with out screwing up my stroke for next season, what the heck!No way, man. It isn't just the flip turn, it is getting used to that particular motion and the large amount of energy it takes. Not to mention you are under water for longer and have to worry about being out of breath by the time you come back up. In practice I don't even do flip turns - too much energy for something I won't ever do in open water. I didn't do any in the pool tri I did either (didn't stop me from kicking the other 40 guys in my AG's ###Hey Sand, could you analyze something for me please? I am going to do the indoor tri I mentioned a few posts back. I did some searching and everyone is saying flip turns are the way to go. Being an OWS, tri guy I have never attempted a flip trun and really don't care to if I can avoid it. So, in a 10-minute swim I would think I can do 20+ lengths of a 25 meter pool, even with wall grab turn (which, looking at past results should put me in the top 1/3rd of all finishers). Anyhthing past a 1/2 length gets couted as such. Could flip turning over 10-minutes really get me more than a 1/2 length? I'll have about 10 nights in the pool to practice and there is an old school (dude's like 83) swim coach I could tap for help. Right now, I don't think the risk/reward is worth it if I end up sucking at the turn. Whadda think.) I was on the fence about doing them in the pool tri, but the crowded walls made my decision for me (in a time race like you are doing I'd probably do them). I don't think this is something that you can learn sufficiently in 10 days that will give you an advantage. If you want to get faster on the turns work on regular open turns. Hit the wall hard and do a typical
Weirdo! 66 is great running weather. 46 is too damn cold whatever you are doing.Assuming I have the right race for meeka, it starts in about 20 minutes and it is 46 degrees there. What great running weather.
Minneapolis
The race tracking thing is great for this marathon. meeka went thru 10K in 59:13Twin Cities MarathonThanks all. I will check in this afternoon with some results. Just finish baby!
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It is predicting a 4:14 finish at this point.Don't concentrate on time under the water - wrong concept. Concentrate on a snappy reversal at the turn and a good, quick, hard push. From there the time under the water should coincide with the momentum you have from the wall push along with a couple freestyle kicks under water. Maintain speed and break the surface right when you need that first stroke.No way, man. It isn't just the flip turn, it is getting used to that particular motion and the large amount of energy it takes. Not to mention you are under water for longer and have to worry about being out of breath by the time you come back up. In practice I don't even do flip turns - too much energy for something I won't ever do in open water. I didn't do any in the pool tri I did either (didn't stop me from kicking the other 40 guys in my AG's ###Hey Sand, could you analyze something for me please? I am going to do the indoor tri I mentioned a few posts back. I did some searching and everyone is saying flip turns are the way to go. Being an OWS, tri guy I have never attempted a flip trun and really don't care to if I can avoid it. So, in a 10-minute swim I would think I can do 20+ lengths of a 25 meter pool, even with wall grab turn (which, looking at past results should put me in the top 1/3rd of all finishers). Anyhthing past a 1/2 length gets couted as such. Could flip turning over 10-minutes really get me more than a 1/2 length? I'll have about 10 nights in the pool to practice and there is an old school (dude's like 83) swim coach I could tap for help. Right now, I don't think the risk/reward is worth it if I end up sucking at the turn. Whadda think.) I was on the fence about doing them in the pool tri, but the crowded walls made my decision for me (in a time race like you are doing I'd probably do them). I don't think this is something that you can learn sufficiently in 10 days that will give you an advantage. If you want to get faster on the turns work on regular open turns. Hit the wall hard and do a typical
Through mile 20 in 3:14, set to finish in about 50 minutes. Dude was sandbagging on us, he is killing it!He picked up the pace a bit at the halfway point. 2:05:22 with a predicted 4:10 finish.
Make that He KILLED IT!!!:4:16:39 for a 9:48 pace.CONGRATS MEEKA, what a perfect race!2Young2BBald said:Through mile 20 in 3:14, set to finish in about 50 minutes. Dude was sandbagging on us, he is killing it!Darrinll40 said:He picked up the pace a bit at the halfway point. 2:05:22 with a predicted 4:10 finish.
Looks like he was pretty consistent all the way through. Nice job, Meeka.You have been officially put on the "sandbag alert" list.Make that He KILLED IT!!!:4:16:39 for a 9:48 pace.CONGRATS MEEKA, what a perfect race!2Young2BBald said:Through mile 20 in 3:14, set to finish in about 50 minutes. Dude was sandbagging on us, he is killing it!Darrinll40 said:He picked up the pace a bit at the halfway point. 2:05:22 with a predicted 4:10 finish.
I've barely run at all (and not in a race) since the baby was born. I finally decided today that I was going to do the Komen Austin the first weekend in November. I'm really looking forward to it. Good luck with your race next weekend.Not a marathon, but my last week of 5k prep is here. Popped off 4.5 miles at 8:05/mile yesterday and 3.85 miles in 7:38/mile today. Trying to keep it shorter and faster until game time next weekend.Note sure what to expect for the race. There are ~8000 entrants. Over half will be walking, but still that is a crapload of people on the road.
Yep. Ice bath.I ran a half marathon today. My longest run ever and my knees and ankles are paying for it. Any suggestions to help with the soreness?
Fill your tub with cold tap water. Dump in two (2) seven-pound bags of ice. Sit in water for 10-15 minutes. Take warm shower afterwards.You'll definitely feel better tomorrow.Great job today, BTW!!!! And stick around!Yep. Ice bath.I ran a half marathon today. My longest run ever and my knees and ankles are paying for it. Any suggestions to help with the soreness?Fill your tub with cold tap water. Dump in two (2) seven-pound bags of ice. Sit in water for 10-15 minutes. Take warm shower afterwards.You'll definitely feel better tomorrow.Great job today, BTW!!!! And stick around!
...though I put ice in a bag for the knees/quads while sitting in the tub (hard to stretch the legs out completely), rather than dumping it in.And, yes, congrats! lol You set a PR at the half-marathon distance! Give yourself a couple of days off.----Two weeks til my (and PMB's, too) marathon. Had a good 34 mile week. Today was a productive 12 mile run: easy three miles, then 6 miles just under marathon pace (8:08/mile today) and the final 3 miles at a perky 7:46/mile.As I recall, I used Bourbon to ease the soreness after my 1st 1/2. It helped, but probably not in the way you are looking for. Ice Bath is a great suggestion and make sure to continue to hydrate (seriously, with water, not booze). Congratulations on the 1st 1/2!!!!Yep. Ice bath.I ran a half marathon today. My longest run ever and my knees and ankles are paying for it. Any suggestions to help with the soreness?Fill your tub with cold tap water. Dump in two (2) seven-pound bags of ice. Sit in water for 10-15 minutes. Take warm shower afterwards.You'll definitely feel better tomorrow.Great job today, BTW!!!! And stick around!
I've sat in two cold baths today. Definitely feel better after each one and I took two advil. Next up the Iceman Cometh mountain bike race in November.I'm going to do 2-3 sprint tri's next year.Yep. Ice bath.I ran a half marathon today. My longest run ever and my knees and ankles are paying for it. Any suggestions to help with the soreness?Fill your tub with cold tap water. Dump in two (2) seven-pound bags of ice. Sit in water for 10-15 minutes. Take warm shower afterwards.You'll definitely feel better tomorrow.Great job today, BTW!!!! And stick around!
Are you here in MI too? If so, you've struck the mother lode of Sprint Tris. No matter where you are at, you can race just about any weekend all summer long.I've sat in two cold baths today. Definitely feel better after each one and I took two advil. Next up the Iceman Cometh mountain bike race in November.I'm going to do 2-3 sprint tri's next year.Yep. Ice bath.I ran a half marathon today. My longest run ever and my knees and ankles are paying for it. Any suggestions to help with the soreness?Fill your tub with cold tap water. Dump in two (2) seven-pound bags of ice. Sit in water for 10-15 minutes. Take warm shower afterwards.You'll definitely feel better tomorrow.Great job today, BTW!!!! And stick around!
Yep I'm in S.E. Michigan.Are you here in MI too? If so, you've struck the mother lode of Sprint Tris. No matter where you are at, you can race just about any weekend all summer long.I've sat in two cold baths today. Definitely feel better after each one and I took two advil. Next up the Iceman Cometh mountain bike race in November.I'm going to do 2-3 sprint tri's next year.Yep. Ice bath.I ran a half marathon today. My longest run ever and my knees and ankles are paying for it. Any suggestions to help with the soreness?Fill your tub with cold tap water. Dump in two (2) seven-pound bags of ice. Sit in water for 10-15 minutes. Take warm shower afterwards.You'll definitely feel better tomorrow.Great job today, BTW!!!! And stick around!

So the real question is how did it go did you off anyone on the course?I ran a half marathon today. My longest run ever and my knees and ankles are paying for it. Any suggestions to help with the soreness?
So the real question is how did it go did you off anyone on the course?I ran a half marathon today. My longest run ever and my knees and ankles are paying for it. Any suggestions to help with the soreness?
It did cross my mind. We were on a wooded trail and there was this chick in blue running in front of me and I nvm. I don't need a time out.Thanks. The blisters are not a big deal. I have always had trouble with blisters. Tennis in high school was the worst, but I always get a blister or 2 on my long runs. Today there are just a few more than normal. The good news is all but one of them are very small and on my toes and will probably be gone tomorrow. The one on the side of my foot may stick around for a bit.Congratulations Meeka! What's up with the blisters on your feet? Doesn't sound too good.
Congrats dude...great show!!meeka said:Race report:
NO! I did not quietly slip into meeka's race.Chicago forecast for Sunday (gruecd and DolphinsPhan) - high of 44; low of 30.meeka said:Race report: Just as we are passing 13.1 I see a guy with a 80+ tag on his back shuffling along
Chicago forecast for Sunday (gruecd and DolphinsPhan) - high of 44; low of 30.
It's also great having this many people in taper mode = lot's of race reports on the horizon!!!!
raying::jealous:Thanks everyone! My next race is a mountain bike race, The Iceman Cometh.
http://www.iceman.com/
The Iceman Cometh Challenge is a 27 mile point-to-point mountain bike race from Kalkaska to Traverse City, Michigan. Held traditionally on the first Saturday of November (except for years when the first Saturday of November is the 1st)
Wow that race looks amazing. hmmm maybe I need to look into doing this.Sand said::jealous:Dexter said:Thanks everyone! My next race is a mountain bike race, The Iceman Cometh.
http://www.iceman.com/
The Iceman Cometh Challenge is a 27 mile point-to-point mountain bike race from Kalkaska to Traverse City, Michigan. Held traditionally on the first Saturday of November (except for years when the first Saturday of November is the 1st)
That's usually the case but I felt amazingly strong yesterday so I decided to push myself a bit. As I build mileage, I plan on slowing down my long runs to approx. 10 mile/min pace.Workhorse - Why are you doing your training runs faster than GMP??? Unless otherwise specified, you generally want to do your long runs 10-20% slower than GMP.
There is a lottery for the regular Joe Schmoes to get in. If you get in, though, I'll be cheering for you. It is a tough race.:jealous:Sand said:Thanks everyone! My next race is a mountain bike race, The Iceman Cometh.
http://www.iceman.com/
The Iceman Cometh Challenge is a 27 mile point-to-point mountain bike race from Kalkaska to Traverse City, Michigan. Held traditionally on the first Saturday of November (except for years when the first Saturday of November is the 1st)
You're gonna make me put it in writing? OK, considering the near-perfect weather forecast, I'm gonna start at 3:08 pace and hopefully negative split to run somewhere between 3:05-3:08.But anything under 3:10:00 is a PR, and anything 3:10:59 or faster gets me into Boston.So who are all of the Chicago Marathoners, and what are your goal times?
You are so ready to go under 3:10. I can't wait to check in on Sunday to see how you did. I think I will sign up for the updates. It was very cool to come back home on Sunday and see that people were tracking my race while I was out there.By the way...Why does nobody tell you that your legs only get more and more sore for the next 30 hours after the race? I thought my thighs were stiff and sore this morning, but they have only gotten worse today. I kind of like the soreness. Makes me feel like I did something.You're gonna make me put it in writing? OK, considering the near-perfect weather forecast, I'm gonna start at 3:08 pace and hopefully negative split to run somewhere between 3:05-3:08.But anything under 3:10:00 is a PR, and anything 3:10:59 or faster gets me into Boston.So who are all of the Chicago Marathoners, and what are your goal times?
You think a high of 44 is perfect and you're calling me nuts??? Well, at least my nuts won't be frozen....lolBest of luck anywaySteveUK - You're nuts. The Chicago forecast looks absolutely PERFECT.
68 is the best I can hope for this side of December...lol__________________________________________________My Update:My luck with weather is officially laughable at this point. We had some cooler weather last week (each day was on an off-day), but come Sunday morning (long-run day), it was 77 degrees with 90+% humidity. You could literally feel yourself cutting through the air. I had hoped to do 3x 6 mile loops for a total of 18 miles, but could barely get through one. I ran a short loop in our complex to finish just 7.2 of my desired 18 miles. It was cooler this morning (only 68 degrees!!!), so I did get up and get a quick 6 in this morning which is against my normal running schedule (no back-to-back runs). The great news is that my next long run will be in Milwaukee on Friday where it is guaranteed to be the coolest run I've had in 7 months. My only fear is that it will be too cool. IF I can't survive 18 to 20 miles on that run, I will seriously have to contemplate if I actually want to try to run the Ultra, which is now less than 5 weeks away. IF I can get to 18, and then hopefully a 20 the following week, I will still give it a try in hopes that my body is ready, but the weather has held me backraying: Enjoy Tapering everyone!!!!!!
I always get the affliction "2nd day soreness". It used to kick my ### when I played competitive softball & indoor soccer and hits me hard when I run. I typically walk it off the day of a race and the next and then WHAM two days after I am a wreck. I am thinking age might have something to do with it.You are so ready to go under 3:10. I can't wait to check in on Sunday to see how you did. I think I will sign up for the updates. It was very cool to come back home on Sunday and see that people were tracking my race while I was out there.By the way...Why does nobody tell you that your legs only get more and more sore for the next 30 hours after the race? I thought my thighs were stiff and sore this morning, but they have only gotten worse today. I kind of like the soreness. Makes me feel like I did something.You're gonna make me put it in writing? OK, considering the near-perfect weather forecast, I'm gonna start at 3:08 pace and hopefully negative split to run somewhere between 3:05-3:08.But anything under 3:10:00 is a PR, and anything 3:10:59 or faster gets me into Boston.So who are all of the Chicago Marathoners, and what are your goal times?
Shorts and a singlet, light gloves (the white, string knit work gloves that you buy at a hardware store for $1) and maybe arm warmers. Basically the way I'm dressed in this picture.Good luck on Sunday!!Kind of a stupid question, but what are you wearing? 40s seem too cold for shorts and short sleeves but I prefer not to run in winter gear. I'm considering regular summer gear plus light gloves.
If it's in the 40's, my priorities are primarily running tights to keep some warmth on the legs and gloves for the hands (that's where I first notice the chill). Depending on wind, or not, I'd go either short or long sleeve, and if temp is on the low end, I'll consider my tri-top underneath to retain some upper body warmth. Also, based on temp, I'll either wear a running hat or if colder (< 40), my winter cap worn loosely. None of this restricts my movement (esp for marathon pacing), and I prefer smart and kind of warm over tough and kind of cold.I've read this thread often but I'm a first time poster. Congrats to everyone's successes this year. I'm running the Chicago marathon Sunday like some others here. This is my second marathon. Last year I finished at 3:50. My goal is 3:30 this year. I could have trained harder and be better prepared, but I guess we all can say that.Kind of a stupid question, but what are you wearing? 40s seem too cold for shorts and short sleeves but I prefer not to run in winter gear. I'm considering regular summer gear plus light gloves.
ldmanmuscles:
That's a big improvement goal for you! At least you can take off with the 8:00/mile pacer and hang on that pack ...let them do your work. Good luck ...let us know.For some reason this made me laugh a bit. I woke up this morning to 75 degrees and 95% humidity; and looked at the weather for Milwaukee while I'm there, and can't picture myself in short sleeves with a 35 degree drop in temps. I may have to wear the same clothes to the conference everyday so that I have enough room in my bag (I won't check any baggage) for all the running options I'm going to need. For cooler races, I like to buy a cheap hoodie to wear while I'm getting warmed up. It keeps my head and hands warm, and if I have to, I won't feel bad just throwing it into the crowd at mile 1.Shorts and a singlet, light gloves (the white, string knit work gloves that you buy at a hardware store for $1) and maybe arm warmers. Basically the way I'm dressed in this picture.Good luck on Sunday!!Kind of a stupid question, but what are you wearing? 40s seem too cold for shorts and short sleeves but I prefer not to run in winter gear. I'm considering regular summer gear plus light gloves.