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Ran a 10k in June (1 Viewer)

You should feel your butt muscles engage when you push off with each stride. Step and explode, step and explode.

 
Well, the day has arrived! Indy Mini Marathon 13.1 here I come. Have to go off in the last corral due to my short stint with achilles swelling but giving it a go!

My time is just a formality. Ha!
GL. That's a nice event. I never did it but my wife did a couple of times.

 
Well, the day has arrived! Indy Mini Marathon 13.1 here I come. Have to go off in the last corral due to my short stint with achilles swelling but giving it a go!

My time is just a formality. Ha!
Have fun! That's an event I've wanted to do but never have, yet.

 
25:25!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About 30 seconds ahead of my goal for may 17th. Might be setting a new goal for that day.
Congrats! Great run! See...you're still so new to this that you really don't know what you're capable of yet. That's one of the reasons why many of us have stressed that you focus on a solid long-term training plan (which can certainly include races along the way) and enjoy the gains as they come.

 
25:25!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About 30 seconds ahead of my goal for may 17th. Might be setting a new goal for that day.
Congrats! Great run! See...you're still so new to this that you really don't know what you're capable of yet. That's one of the reasons why many of us have stressed that you focus on a solid long-term training plan (which can certainly include races along the way) and enjoy the gains as they come.
I never said I wouldn't focus on long term gains. I just said I wouldn't until after May 17th :moneybag:

 
My 5K with Brony is a week away. I went out this morning for a little test 5K at the park. Plan was to run the first 2 miles at a little under 20:00 5K pace and then decide from there. Well, I started out the first mile too fast at 19:00 pace, got through 1 1/2 miles and bailed at the test. I just don't feel ready for those speeds. A good thing, though, was my heart rate was where it should be so it's probably as much mental for me as physical. I'm struggling to push though, perhaps. Hopefully the race day excitement will help!

 
47 miles over the last 5 days. About 10 of that speed walking. Legs are a little sluggish, but no major aches or pains. Flirting with dropping below 210 pounds.
Got bored and ran 8 more tonite followed by a 2 mile walk. 57 miles in 5 days including an of day. Probably will take tomorrow off, hunt on Friday, and race on Saturday.
I'll race ya to 200 pounds. 215 now.................and.....................go......................... :hifive:
So I am racing this guy down to 200 pounds and this 15 pounds is very important to me. Can you guys give me some advice that will help me get this 15 pounds off almost immediately? I dont care if that advice is bad long term advice because I only care about short term immediate results, not the long haul. Thanks in advance. Well not really thanks because I will either reject or disagree with all of your advice.
:lmao: and the same to those giving serious advice.

Unless...I took this wrong and you were actually wanting advice and not just mocking the ghost.
I was trying to figure out if steve and duck just have a really dry sense of humor and were playing along or if i didnt make it obvious enough.

Funny thing is now that we know they were serious replies it kind of makes the point even funnier(at least to me). Even BS advice requests in this thread are met with solid advice.
Yup, :whoosh: Right over my head. That's what I get for responding while jet lagged and in the middle of a five-day work trip that included several evening "networking and entertainment events" where I may or may not have been consistently overserved.

 
I absolutely wrecked my half. My previous PR was 1:43:02. My new PR is 1:41:09.

This our town's local marathon / half-marathon. I've run the half a bunch of times and have the course completely memorized. Very good conditions for the 7:00 am start -- about 40 with light winds (8-10 mph depending on which forecasting site you believed). The HM course is pretty sheltered so that level of wind is negligible. It was also overcast the whole way, which was nice. I ended up running almost the entire course with half a dozen 20-somethings (three M, three F), some of whom knew each other. One guy pulled away from all of us around mile 10, and I pulled away from the rest about a mile later. Technically one was doing the full, so we lost her at the split between miles 10 and 11.

I came into this planning the beloved 5/5/5 approach, so I'll break out my splits that way.

Miles 1-5: 7:38, 7:38, 7:49, 7:33, 7:41. I went out "fast but comfortable." Several years ago I managed to break myself of the habit of starting too conservative and then finishing with a bunch of gas sloshing around in the tank. Covering 13.1 miles is a non-issue, like it's a non-factor for most of you guys, so I want to make sure I'm racing, not just running. Mile 3 was a little slow in part because it features a small amount of off-road running and a couple of choke points. You can see that I pushed a little on mile 4 to make up that time. Honestly, I knew somewhere between miles 3 and 4 that I was going to crush my PR.

Miles 6-10: 7:43, 7:38, 7:42, 7:43, 7:47. At the halfway mark, I was on pace for 1:40:30. I knew it was extremely unlikely that I would be able to maintain that pace, and I'm okay with a mild positive split. The slower splits here are a combination of me pushing up against my lactate threshold and a deliberate decision to back off very slightly. Mile 10 is an outlier, featuring a very steep hill. It's only 0.2 from bottom to top, but it's a tough incline and also hard to descend safely. Every year I willingly give up some time on this rather than attacking it and leaving myself depleted for the final stretch. In other words, that 7:47 is completely fine, normal, and acceptable for that particular mile.

Last 5K: 7:35 (dropping the hammer), 7:41 (picking the hammer back up), 7:41. Last 0.19 (Garmin): 7:20 pace. In my training leading up to this race, I had been doing my long tempo runs at about a 7:35 pace. I tried to pick up the pace during this last stretch, but it just wasn't there. If I can run 13.1 miles at this pace, obviously my "true" LT pace is probably a little faster than I thought it was, but there's no question that spending this long at or near my LT threshold was holding me back at this point. Not fading, but no real capacity to mount a surge either. I would have had to slow down if this had been a 15 mile race instead of a 13.1 mile race.

Official results: 1:41:09, 7:43 pace (7:40 Garmin pace)

26/355 overall

3/19 M 40-44. I actually got credit for 2nd in my AG because the first place guy was 3rd overall and 1st in Masters.

This particular result may end up being a lifetime best since I'm not getting any younger, but sub-1:40 is only 69 seconds away. Long endurance isn't the issue -- I'm pretty sure LT is my binding constraint at this distance now. Gotta give it a shot though, either this fall or next spring.

Mrs. K ran this morning as well. Her 1:51:xx was good for 3rd in her AG. (She also benefited from faster runners not being able to double-dip in the AG results; she was really 5th but we always take AG awards however we can come by them).

 
Actually, I PRed in the 5K a few weeks ago (21:49). Plugging that result into McMillan gives me a projected 1:41:01 half, which is pretty exactly where I am. In other words, I don't think I can improve my HM time much simply by adding endurance. It's going to take an improvement in raw speed, which is tougher.

 
Awesome, Ivan. IIRC that's 2 races and 2 PRs this year, right? Maybe you should sign up for a full this fall considering how well you've been running!

 
Get ready for a laugh...Indy Mini Marathon 13.1 miles.

Time: 3:59

Winning time: :51

I was good through 10 but started cramping in my legs and feet terribly. Pushed 299 lbs through the finish line. Proud as it was a commitment to myself to finish in his honor as he took his first deployment to the Middle East just yesterday. Thinking of him helped.

I now have a baseline.

 
Actually, I PRed in the 5K a few weeks ago (21:49). Plugging that result into McMillan gives me a projected 1:41:01 half, which is pretty exactly where I am. In other words, I don't think I can improve my HM time much simply by adding endurance. It's going to take an improvement in raw speed, which is tougher.
There is always just the mental part too. If you want another PR bad enough, sometimes you can force yourself to go an extra few seconds a mile faster.

 
set back this morning...went out for a little 4 miler and within the first half mile my ankle was twinging with a decent pain.

Have not felt pain in it in a while during any activity so this was a bummer.

Ended up hopping on the bike for a 45 minute ride around to at least get some exercise in and the ankle was fine with that. Just didn't like the pounding of a run.

 
Get ready for a laugh...Indy Mini Marathon 13.1 miles.

Time: 3:59

Winning time: :51

I was good through 10 but started cramping in my legs and feet terribly. Pushed 299 lbs through the finish line. Proud as it was a commitment to myself to finish in his honor as he took his first deployment to the Middle East just yesterday. Thinking of him helped.

I now have a baseline.
Congratulations! It's tough to push through when problems crop up at the end of a race -- we've all been there. Nice job toughing it out. I'm a little jealous of you being able to run Indy. I wasn't a runner when I lived in the area; I would love to have an event like that nearby.

Now that you've got a baseline set, what are your future goals?

 
Get ready for a laugh...Indy Mini Marathon 13.1

miles.

Time: 3:59

Winning time: :51

I was good through 10 but started cramping in my legs and feet terribly. Pushed 299 lbs through the finish line. Proud as it was a

commitment to myself to finish in his honor as he took his first deployment to the Middle East just yesterday. Thinking of him helped.

I now have a baseline.
Congratulations! It's tough to push through when problems crop up at the end of a race --

we've all been there. Nice job toughing it out. I'm a little jealous of you being able to run Indy. I wasn't a runner when I lived in the area; I would love to have an event like that nearby.

Now that you've got a baseline set, what are your future goals?
Thanks man! I'm proud. While my son is deployed I the Middle East I have committed to giving up processed sugar.

I plan to lose 50 lbs this year. Continue walking, biking, and running. Next year, I'd like to trim the time to under 3 hours.

Thanks again.

 
Get ready for a laugh...Indy Mini Marathon 13.1 miles.

Time: 3:59

Winning time: :51

I was good through 10 but started cramping in my legs and feet terribly. Pushed 299 lbs through the finish line. Proud as it was a commitment to myself to finish in his honor as he took his first deployment to the Middle East just yesterday. Thinking of him helped.

I now have a baseline.
Great job!

Ivan - you too! Way to rock it!

 
Nice job Ghost, Ivan, Mrs. Ivan & Son of Bass! Pretty solid weekend for the group!

And I didn't forget about you pizzatyme, awesome job completing a half in honor of your son! From member of the ahem, big man club, it ain't easy pushing this ### around for 13 miles. Great job man!

 
Thanks all. Pretty sure the advice to change up my routine was key. Mainly the long slow runs. It seems like when I got tired during the race like after a 1/4 mile uphill I was able to run at a 10 minute pace for like a minute and recoup a lot of energy and my breathing.

Also the hills I have been running were huge for today. I definitely need to get better at the downhills though. I feel like I should go a lot faster but also feel like if i do I will take a spill.

 
Ivan - congrats on another PR! Hell of a start to 2014 for you. Don't limit yourself mentally. Set big goals....

Pizza - congrats on your first half! Stick around and share your training exploits. You'll shed that weight in no time.

Ghost - so the secret to PR is just wings and beer? Who knew.

Shonuff - sorry about the ankle, man. Stay smart...

 
Wings, beer, and a few whiskeys. On the rocks though. Gotta hydrate.

Somehow through all that I managed to get down to 213.

Honestly, I could drop weight so damn easily, but I like to eat like a horse. Blessed with a nice metabolism that I totally take for granted.

 
pizzatyme said:
Get ready for a laugh...Indy Mini Marathon 13.1 miles.

Time: 3:59

Winning time: :51

I was good through 10 but started cramping in my legs and feet terribly. Pushed 299 lbs through the finish line. Proud as it was a commitment to myself to finish in his honor as he took his first deployment to the Middle East just yesterday. Thinking of him helped.

I now have a baseline.
Congrats!

BTW I think you have a typo for the winner. 51:xx would 3:55/mile and a WR by about 7 minutes.

 
Some great results today! 2 PR's and a half marathon cherry pop! I might just be drunk enough to think I can PR tomorrow in the 5K too! (alsonotreally)

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I absolutely wrecked my half. My previous PR was 1:43:02. My new PR is 1:41:09.

This our town's local marathon / half-marathon. I've run the half a bunch of times and have the course completely memorized. Very good conditions for the 7:00 am start -- about 40 with light winds (8-10 mph depending on which forecasting site you believed). The HM course is pretty sheltered so that level of wind is negligible. It was also overcast the whole way, which was nice. I ended up running almost the entire course with half a dozen 20-somethings (three M, three F), some of whom knew each other. One guy pulled away from all of us around mile 10, and I pulled away from the rest about a mile later. Technically one was doing the full, so we lost her at the split between miles 10 and 11.

I came into this planning the beloved 5/5/5 approach, so I'll break out my splits that way.

Miles 1-5: 7:38, 7:38, 7:49, 7:33, 7:41. I went out "fast but comfortable." Several years ago I managed to break myself of the habit of starting too conservative and then finishing with a bunch of gas sloshing around in the tank. Covering 13.1 miles is a non-issue, like it's a non-factor for most of you guys, so I want to make sure I'm racing, not just running. Mile 3 was a little slow in part because it features a small amount of off-road running and a couple of choke points. You can see that I pushed a little on mile 4 to make up that time. Honestly, I knew somewhere between miles 3 and 4 that I was going to crush my PR.

Miles 6-10: 7:43, 7:38, 7:42, 7:43, 7:47. At the halfway mark, I was on pace for 1:40:30. I knew it was extremely unlikely that I would be able to maintain that pace, and I'm okay with a mild positive split. The slower splits here are a combination of me pushing up against my lactate threshold and a deliberate decision to back off very slightly. Mile 10 is an outlier, featuring a very steep hill. It's only 0.2 from bottom to top, but it's a tough incline and also hard to descend safely. Every year I willingly give up some time on this rather than attacking it and leaving myself depleted for the final stretch. In other words, that 7:47 is completely fine, normal, and acceptable for that particular mile.

Last 5K: 7:35 (dropping the hammer), 7:41 (picking the hammer back up), 7:41. Last 0.19 (Garmin): 7:20 pace. In my training leading up to this race, I had been doing my long tempo runs at about a 7:35 pace. I tried to pick up the pace during this last stretch, but it just wasn't there. If I can run 13.1 miles at this pace, obviously my "true" LT pace is probably a little faster than I thought it was, but there's no question that spending this long at or near my LT threshold was holding me back at this point. Not fading, but no real capacity to mount a surge either. I would have had to slow down if this had been a 15 mile race instead of a 13.1 mile race.

Official results: 1:41:09, 7:43 pace (7:40 Garmin pace)

26/355 overall

3/19 M 40-44. I actually got credit for 2nd in my AG because the first place guy was 3rd overall and 1st in Masters.

This particular result may end up being a lifetime best since I'm not getting any younger, but sub-1:40 is only 69 seconds away. Long endurance isn't the issue -- I'm pretty sure LT is my binding constraint at this distance now. Gotta give it a shot though, either this fall or next spring.

Mrs. K ran this morning as well. Her 1:51:xx was good for 3rd in her AG. (She also benefited from faster runners not being able to double-dip in the AG results; she was really 5th but we always take AG awards however we can come by them).
Nice work Ivan.

ps I hate your wife. Not quite steve hate, but still...

 
Mile 1 - 5:54

Mile 2 - 6:05

Mile 3 - #### there are the hills!

19 flat, cost myself some seconds by not scouting out the course but sub 18:30 would have been a chore anyway. Wife thinks i won age group, sixth overall.

 
heading out for 10 miles in central park. hope there is some motivation in cute little shorts to stalk as I really am not really feeling it after walking all day yesterday.

 
This week was the longest mileage week of the year. I'm going to be focusing on building the mileage back up this spring with the intent on another marathon cycle in the summer. The_Man: I'm registered for the Rehoboth Marathon. I'm really looking forward to it.

Mon: 5mi recovery @ 9:44/136. Surprised my legs felt this good after the trail half.

Tue: 6mi MLR @ 8:58/144. Legs a little heavy but felt awesome. So weird.

Thu: 8mi MLR @ 9:09/156. Muggy and sunny and I felt horrible. Was up all night pumping out our flooded basement. :hot:

Fri: 5mi recovery @ 9:35/138. Too fast for recovery, but felt good.

Sat: 12mi MLR @ 9:02/145. Legs heavy, but energy levels were great.

36mi total.

 
Ivan- Congrats on the nice PR. Don't put a limit on yourself, especially by using age as an excuse. While it's true that most professional/elite runners peak in their mid-late 30s, I don't think that rule applies to everyone else since it's doubtful you've spent 10-20 years running 100+ mpw and maxing out your talent. Looking forward to a sub-1:40 race report soon in the future.

Pizzatyme- Congrats on finishing your race as well. I've heard nothing but great things about that race and will probably end up running it within the next couple of years.

Fubar- Holy crap man, that's a hell of a PR run. Looking forward to the race report soon.

Ned- Building back up nicely I see. How does this fit in with your archery pursuit? Anymore recent news on that front?

Mac_32- Nice rustbuster on what sounded like a non-PR course. Hope you scored some nice hardware.

BnB- Congrats on junior's win. Must have been a proud dad.

Ghost- Congrats on the PR. one of the most fun/rewarding things as a novice runner is that as long as you stay healhty and get in conistent training you'll see massive improvement pretty quickly. Sub-25 in a couple of weeks is in the slower range of my prediction for you.

 
No hardware, only to overall winners, but I got a $20 gift card to the sponsor shoe store. And by 'I' I actually mean my wife.

 
Holy cow, what a weekend!

ghost ..son of Bass ..IK ..Mrs. IK ..pizzatyme ..FUBAR ..MAC -- way to go everybody! So cool to read all that.

Weekend highlight for me was at my university's graduation ceremonies yesterday. My daughter graduated with a masters degree in social work (gerontology). Because of my dual status as staff/faculty, our president allowed my to step in for her and hand my daughter her diploma on stage (and get a huge hug, too, generating a nice crowd reaction).

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I absolutely wrecked my half. My previous PR was 1:43:02. My new PR is 1:41:09.

This our town's local marathon / half-marathon. I've run the half a bunch of times and have the course completely memorized. Very good conditions for the 7:00 am start -- about 40 with light winds (8-10 mph depending on which forecasting site you believed). The HM course is pretty sheltered so that level of wind is negligible. It was also overcast the whole way, which was nice. I ended up running almost the entire course with half a dozen 20-somethings (three M, three F), some of whom knew each other. One guy pulled away from all of us around mile 10, and I pulled away from the rest about a mile later. Technically one was doing the full, so we lost her at the split between miles 10 and 11.

I came into this planning the beloved 5/5/5 approach, so I'll break out my splits that way.

Miles 1-5: 7:38, 7:38, 7:49, 7:33, 7:41. I went out "fast but comfortable." Several years ago I managed to break myself of the habit of starting too conservative and then finishing with a bunch of gas sloshing around in the tank. Covering 13.1 miles is a non-issue, like it's a non-factor for most of you guys, so I want to make sure I'm racing, not just running. Mile 3 was a little slow in part because it features a small amount of off-road running and a couple of choke points. You can see that I pushed a little on mile 4 to make up that time. Honestly, I knew somewhere between miles 3 and 4 that I was going to crush my PR.

Miles 6-10: 7:43, 7:38, 7:42, 7:43, 7:47. At the halfway mark, I was on pace for 1:40:30. I knew it was extremely unlikely that I would be able to maintain that pace, and I'm okay with a mild positive split. The slower splits here are a combination of me pushing up against my lactate threshold and a deliberate decision to back off very slightly. Mile 10 is an outlier, featuring a very steep hill. It's only 0.2 from bottom to top, but it's a tough incline and also hard to descend safely. Every year I willingly give up some time on this rather than attacking it and leaving myself depleted for the final stretch. In other words, that 7:47 is completely fine, normal, and acceptable for that particular mile.

Last 5K: 7:35 (dropping the hammer), 7:41 (picking the hammer back up), 7:41. Last 0.19 (Garmin): 7:20 pace. In my training leading up to this race, I had been doing my long tempo runs at about a 7:35 pace. I tried to pick up the pace during this last stretch, but it just wasn't there. If I can run 13.1 miles at this pace, obviously my "true" LT pace is probably a little faster than I thought it was, but there's no question that spending this long at or near my LT threshold was holding me back at this point. Not fading, but no real capacity to mount a surge either. I would have had to slow down if this had been a 15 mile race instead of a 13.1 mile race.

Official results: 1:41:09, 7:43 pace (7:40 Garmin pace)

26/355 overall

3/19 M 40-44. I actually got credit for 2nd in my AG because the first place guy was 3rd overall and 1st in Masters.

This particular result may end up being a lifetime best since I'm not getting any younger, but sub-1:40 is only 69 seconds away. Long endurance isn't the issue -- I'm pretty sure LT is my binding constraint at this distance now. Gotta give it a shot though, either this fall or next spring.

Mrs. K ran this morning as well. Her 1:51:xx was good for 3rd in her AG. (She also benefited from faster runners not being able to double-dip in the AG results; she was really 5th but we always take AG awards however we can come by them).
Awesome!!

 
pizzatyme said:
IvanKaramazov said:
pizzatyme said:
Get ready for a laugh...Indy Mini Marathon 13.1

miles.

Time: 3:59

Winning time: :51

I was good through 10 but started cramping in my legs and feet terribly. Pushed 299 lbs through the finish line. Proud as it was a

commitment to myself to finish in his honor as he took his first deployment to the Middle East just yesterday. Thinking of him helped.

I now have a baseline.
Congratulations! It's tough to push through when problems crop up at the end of a race --

we've all been there. Nice job toughing it out. I'm a little jealous of you being able to run Indy. I wasn't a runner when I lived in the area; I would love to have an event like that nearby.

Now that you've got a baseline set, what are your future goals?
Thanks man! I'm proud.While my son is deployed I the Middle East I have committed to giving up processed sugar.

I plan to lose 50 lbs this year. Continue walking, biking, and running. Next year, I'd like to trim the time to under 3 hours.

Thanks again.
Congratulations on finishing!!

I like the goals as well, stay consistent and you will meet or beat them.

 
Thanks for all the kind words everyone! It's nice to feel a part of the community here.

By the way, the One America Indy Mini Marathon is absolutely a first class event.

We went to the Convention Center Friday night to get our badges and they had about 100 vendors in there selling and giving away running gear and supplies. That was pretty neat in itself.

Then Saturday morning I was a part of over 30,000+ participants. 30,000!

To me, being from Indy, the coolest part was going around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I've been there for several races, but to get to walk it you experience how massive it is. Plus I got to kiss the yard of bricks at the finish line like so many drivers have done after winning the Indy 500 previously. That was special!

There were over 30 bands and cheerleading groups along the route playing music and keeping everyone pumped.

One of my favorite memories is all of the people out there cheering everyone on. I had my son's name on my shirt and I bet I heard his name shouted 500 times. That was awesome!

Anyway, I encourage you all to come and do it! By the way, if you're interested in next year's event, they have an earlybird discount that ends tomorrow May 5th. Entry is $55 (normally $75). Just google One America Indy Mini Marathon for details.

 
Great work this weekend everyone. Welcome pizzatyme. Stick around and listen to these guys, they know their stuff and are super cool when it comes to answering questions that have been asked 100's of times by noobs like myself.

As for me, I have the Starved Rock HM next weekend. After my first 100 mile month in April, a nasty bug went through my house and kind of derailed my training a bit. Going out today for a 10+miler and will probably get a couple more 5-6 mile runs in before taking a couple days off Thursday and Friday. That sound like a good "taper"?

 
Great work this weekend everyone. Welcome pizzatyme. Stick around and listen to these guys, they know their stuff and are super cool when it comes to answering questions that have been asked 100's of times by noobs like myself.

As for me, I have the Starved Rock HM next weekend. After my first 100 mile month in April, a nasty bug went through my house and kind of derailed my training a bit. Going out today for a 10+miler and will probably get a couple more 5-6 mile runs in before taking a couple days off Thursday and Friday. That sound like a good "taper"?
Fire up! As to the taper, you might keep it to 10, 5, and 2 miles this week. Maybe add a few accelerations on the 2 miler just to stretch out the legs. Then show some self-control and eat/drink smart over the two days before the race.

 
Great work this weekend everyone. Welcome pizzatyme. Stick around and listen to these guys, they know their stuff and are super cool when it comes to answering questions that have been asked 100's of times by noobs like myself.

As for me, I have the Starved Rock HM next weekend. After my first 100 mile month in April, a nasty bug went through my house and kind of derailed my training a bit. Going out today for a 10+miler and will probably get a couple more 5-6 mile runs in before taking a couple days off Thursday and Friday. That sound like a good "taper"?
Fire up! As to the taper, you might keep it to 10, 5, and 2 miles this week. Maybe add a few accelerations on the 2 miler just to stretch out the legs penis. Then show some self-control and eat/drink smart over the two days before the race.
Fixed it for you.

 
Thanks guys. I'll post more later but I hate Sunday marathons. Weekend is shot, had to be moderately smart about alcohol yesterday and I'll go to work sore.

Also, trail >>>>>>>>>>> road

 

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