Ran a 10k - Official Thread (5 Viewers)

[El Floppo]

thanks guys... glad its not me.

I think mapmyrun did a better job staying locked in here in NYC- but tbh, I wasn't really doing as much interval work, so hard to say. 

my old garmin forerunner (back in the early aughts)- like running with a laptop on your wrist- would blow up in the city and even out in duckland on Mt Tam... couldn't handle trees or buildings- or anything much more than open air, tbh. but whether it's the increased satellite coverage or better algorithms filling in the blanks, it's night and day with the current setup.

here in NYC, I'm generally out on the rivers where there's no buildings or in parts of Brooklyn where the buildings aren't as high. every now and then I take a loop that has me run through Wall St and the bull (very narrow streets with tall buildings- probably the most similar to Harris in Paris as I can get here)... but that's usually with a gb at conversational pace, so no concern about pace.

 

[El Floppo]

followup- with the wonkiness, how are you guys tracking your intervals?

 

[Harris]

followup- with the wonkiness, how are you guys tracking your intervals?

I'll usually do a warm up to a spot where it's more open. Along the river or one of the big parks. Or I go to a track.

I just set my Garmin to the intervals workout I'm doing that day and turn on the warm up/cool down option. Then with the Garmin yelling at me while I'm about to puke I don't have to think about anything. If buildings or something mess up my times I don't mind as much as long as I felt like I put in the effort.

 

[El Floppo]

I'll usually do a warm up to a spot where it's more open. Along the river or one of the big parks. Or I go to a track.

I just set my Garmin to the intervals workout I'm doing that day and turn on the warm up/cool down option. Then with the Garmin yelling at me while I'm about to puke I don't have to think about anything. If buildings or something mess up my times I don't mind as much as long as I felt like I put in the effort.

I've run on the Seine.

I saw things.

 

[gruecd]

https://youtu.be/Tnk73s4Vc74
 

With all the weather talk around here, please skip to 12:55 and watch to the 14 minute mark. That is all. I’ll see myself out.

If my bromance with @gianmarco should ever come to an end, Goggins is next in line.  Such a BAMF.

 

[gruecd]

followup- with the wonkiness, how are you guys tracking your intervals?

Easy solution.  Don't run intervals.

 

[bushdocda]

followup- with the wonkiness, how are you guys tracking your intervals?

I set up in Garmin usually 1 of 2 ways, either for time at a certain pace range (more broadly or directionally effort based) or for a specific distance and pace range for stricter workouts.  

 

[El Floppo]

Easy solution.  Don't run.

 

[El Floppo]

Googling intervals on Strava, the app Runkeeper came up as one that integrates them into it's main functions (Strava apparently doesn't). Anybody used Runkeeper?

 

[The Iguana]

First run in almost a month. I have some work to do... let's go, scooby doo!

 

[JAA]

https://youtu.be/Tnk73s4Vc74
 

With all the weather talk around here, please skip to 12:55 and watch to the 14 minute mark. That is all. I’ll see myself out.

Finished his book not to long ago. Not a fan. 

 

[JAA]

followup- with the wonkiness, how are you guys tracking your intervals?

Hit the lap key

 

[El Floppo]

Hit the lap key

Euphemism?

 

[gruecd]

Finished his book not to long ago. Not a fan. 

Really? Why? I thought it was great.

 

[Zasada]

Bunnies and Turtles,

We will be submitting our COVID 19 mitigation plan to Routt County in the next week or so to try and get approval for our little event. Even our resident Pooka, Harvey, can’t predict how that’s going to go. So please don’t ask. No matter how it goes, the main thing is we keep ourselves, our community, and each other safe.

While we can’t say just now what safety protocols may be in place, if in fact we are a go, we are pretty sure of a couple of things. So, listen up, Bunnies and Turtles:

If it’s important to you that you have a thousand or so people cheer you at the start and finish, that you have a big post-race party with tons of beer and food, that aid stations volunteers wait on you hand and foot, that you and your crew be part of the great party atmosphere at Olympian Hall and Long Lake and Dry Lake Aid Stations and all the rest; if it’s important to you that you have a dozen or so crew and family members greet you on the course and at the finish, well, this probably isn’t the year for that. Again, while we don’t know exactly what will be required, we’re pretty darn sure you will be required to be considerably more self-sufficient out there. One or two crew members at most. No shuttles and maybe limited access to aid stations. Staggered starts. Far more minimal aid stations with minimal contact between you and our volunteers. Filling your own water bottles. Mandatory social distancing and using hand sanitizer and all that. Again, we can’t be specific at this point, but we hope you get the picture. This is not going to be the usual Run, Rabbit, Run.

If this sort of “old school” run isn’t something you’re up for, please, please, please, defer you entry fee to next year and give someone else on our waitlist who may be up for (and in fact, really like) the challenge a chance to run. We understand.

Please don’t ask us for what specific protocols may be in place, and don’t be upset if we ignore you if you do. We don’t know yet. But we promise we’ll let you know as soon as we find out.

Thanks, stay safe, and keep your fingers crossed.

Da Harv. 

I don't get a warm fuzzy from this.  Not that I really expected RRR to happen, but I was hopeful they could find a way to make it work.  It still might, but with cases exploding across the country, I don't see how a state can approve a race now, after canceling many prior.

I guess I am putting all my eggs in the R2R2R basket.  Since that's not an organized race, the only thing that will keep me from attempting it is if the hotels/park closes.  Which is still possible, given how bad things are in AZ.  Then there's my butt.  Which I'm hopefully going to fix before then!

 

[boom king]

Any of you guys running the Milwaukee Lakefront marathon this year? I’m tentatively planning on it. Website says all systems go as of now. 

 

[JShare87]

Any of you guys running the Milwaukee Lakefront marathon this year? I’m tentatively planning on it. Website says all systems go as of now. 

@gruecd will probably roll out of bed the morning of and decide to do it. He does crazy things like that from time to time. 

 

[gruecd]

Any of you guys running the Milwaukee Lakefront marathon this year? I’m tentatively planning on it. Website says all systems go as of now. 

I've run it twice before, but not this year.  To be honest, I doubt it happens.  They've been noticeably noncommittal in their social media posts and other communications.

 

[Zasada]

First appointment I can get at the sports medicine clinic is a week from tomorrow.  Asked to get on the waitlist for an earlier one.

Hopefully I can recover enough to fit an easy run or two in between now and then.  Still pretty sore right now, though.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

followup- with the wonkiness, how are you guys tracking your intervals?

For intervals, I have a couple of reasonably flat, straight, and open areas near me that are my go to for workouts.  I have workouts I created on my Garmin - main ones being 6 x 0.25mile and 10 x 0.25mile (both with 0.25mile rest), with a warmup and cooldown.  Jog to said area, hit the lap button and then the workout will autolap at all of the interval spots.  I usually end up jogging through the interval area at least once as my warmup so I can pick out two points (say, an oak tree and a road sign) that are exactly 0.25 apart to use for the interval.  For each rest period, I keep a close eye on the distance and try to turn around right at 0.125 so that the next interval is run between the same two points but in the opposite direction.  

 

[Zasada]

In other news, all of this talk of weight loss during hot runs got me curious.  So, despite not wanting to buy crap in DFW which I already own in Calgary, I ordered a scale and it came yesterday.  One that supposedly does body fat composition.  And this morning's reading was ~3pts lower than the 15% I got at my last physical.  I wonder if it can be calibrated.  

 

[El Floppo]

For intervals, I have a couple of reasonably flat, straight, and open areas near me that are my go to for workouts.  I have workouts I created on my Garmin - main ones being 6 x 0.25mile and 10 x 0.25mile (both with 0.25mile rest), with a warmup and cooldown.  Jog to said area, hit the lap button and then the workout will autolap at all of the interval spots.  I usually end up jogging through the interval area at least once as my warmup so I can pick out two points (say, an oak tree and a road sign) that are exactly 0.25 apart to use for the interval.  For each rest period, I keep a close eye on the distance and try to turn around right at 0.125 so that the next interval is run between the same two points but in the opposite direction.  

sounds great.

where's the lap button on strava? (google says there isn't one)

I've been doing .2, .5 or 1m intervals, but run as ongoing part of my run. I have to look at my phone to try to gauge when I hit the right distance to go and stop. not ideal.

 

[tri-man 47]

 despite not wanting to buy crap in DFW

*buying* crap is not your problem in DFW.

 

[gianmarco]

sounds great.

where's the lap button on strava? (google says there isn't one)

I've been doing .2, .5 or 1m intervals, but run as ongoing part of my run. I have to look at my phone to try to gauge when I hit the right distance to go and stop. not ideal.

There isn't one on the Strava app and there's otherwise no good way to do it on the phone.

If you're planning on running more/consistently, especially doing things like intervals, then I'd strongly consider getting a running watch.  It does all of those things plus so much more, especially HR monitoring and syncs with Strava (and other running apps like MapMyRun which some people like for some reason). 

Here's the basic Forerunner 35 for $99..  Does everything you need without many bells and whistles.  @MAC_32 has this. 

Here's the Forerunner 235 for $162.  This watch was a staple for a long time.  My wife had one for a long time and I used one for a while as well.  I had issues with the HR monitor for some reason.  My wife's worked well for a long time and then started having wonky HR readings as well and I recently upgraded her watch a few months ago.  But, for the price, this is tough to beat.  This watch was $250 for a long time until the last year when the newer models came out.

Here's the forerunner 245 with music for $299.  I have the non-music version of this and love it.  HR monitor is spot-on 99% of the time for me.  This watch is normally $350 ($300 for the non-music version) so this is a decent price.   This, along with the more expensive 935 have the newer HR sensor technology that I think works better for sure. 

Some here have the 935 or 945, some have the Fenix, and I think a couple recently got the 645.  They are all good watches and I think most would vouch for Garmin. 

 

[tri-man 47]

Speaking of ...did my first officially recorded swim workout this a.m.      Fenix 5X Plus    

...even if it was rather slow and circuitous.  But I just love those morning swims.

 

[bushdocda]

There isn't one on the Strava app and there's otherwise no good way to do it on the phone.

If you're planning on running more/consistently, especially doing things like intervals, then I'd strongly consider getting a running watch.  It does all of those things plus so much more, especially HR monitoring and syncs with Strava (and other running apps like MapMyRun which some people like for some reason). 

Here's the basic Forerunner 35 for $99..  Does everything you need without many bells and whistles.  @MAC_32 has this. 

Here's the Forerunner 235 for $162.  This watch was a staple for a long time.  My wife had one for a long time and I used one for a while as well.  I had issues with the HR monitor for some reason.  My wife's worked well for a long time and then started having wonky HR readings as well and I recently upgraded her watch a few months ago.  But, for the price, this is tough to beat.  This watch was $250 for a long time until the last year when the newer models came out.

Here's the forerunner 245 with music for $299.  I have the non-music version of this and love it.  HR monitor is spot-on 99% of the time for me.  This watch is normally $350 ($300 for the non-music version) so this is a decent price.   This, along with the more expensive 935 have the newer HR sensor technology that I think works better for sure. 

Some here have the 935 or 945, some have the Fenix, and I think a couple recently got the 645.  They are all good watches and I think most would vouch for Garmin. 

Just gave my 235 to nephew over weekend. Freaking love the 645M.

 

[gianmarco]

Just gave my 235 to nephew over weekend. Freaking love the 645M.

On sale for $289

ETA -- Actually only $228 for the sandstone.  That's a steal.

 

[beer 30]

Really? Why? I thought it was great.

It's a personal thing. The Jocko vs Goggins thing has been going on for a while. Two guys that end up in the same place but take different paths to get there. One is a little rougher, in your face than the other but both have the same objectives in mind. Just my 

I haven't read Goggin's book but listened to a number of podcasts he's done. Dude is a beast for sure. There is a place for his style and if you need a kick in the ###, that's a good place to start.

 

[MAC_32]

@El Floppo I loathe distractions in our distraction filled world. But I love data and efficiency. There's more to it, but that internal tug-of-war contributed to my resisting getting a watch for as long as I did. The 35 fits because it does what i want it to from a data and efficiency perspective and I keep notifications on do not disturb for the vast majority of the day. I basically only turn do not disturb off when I'm expecting a call and am not watching my phone (which is always on silent) or when I'm supposed to be working but am not and aren't near my computer.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

sounds great.

where's the lap button on strava? (google says there isn't one)

I've been doing .2, .5 or 1m intervals, but run as ongoing part of my run. I have to look at my phone to try to gauge when I hit the right distance to go and stop. not ideal.

Oh my bad - for some reason I was under the impression you had a Garmin watch  , which thinking about it doesn't make sense given all of the mapmyrun talk.  Notebook updated.  I've never used the Strava app for tracking.  I used Runkeeper pre-Garmin days and did like it, but they didn't have interval functionality at that time.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

@El Floppo I loathe distractions in our distraction filled world. But I love data and efficiency. There's more to it, but that internal tug-of-war contributed to my resisting getting a watch for as long as I did. The 35 fits because it does what i want it to from a data and efficiency perspective and I keep notifications on do not disturb for the vast majority of the day. I basically only turn do not disturb off when I'm expecting a call and am not watching my phone (which is always on silent) or when I'm supposed to be working but am not and aren't near my computer.

Also want to second this.  I am frugal bordering on cheap with a bit of a Luddite streak to boot, but as a data nerd can't recommend a running watch enough.  You will get more accurate tracking than with your phone, and having pace data right on your wrist during a race (you can also make it buzz if you're going too fast or slow) is awesome.

 

[gianmarco]

Btw, I recently picked up the Saucony Endorphin Pro.

The reviews on this shoe have been top notch and I can see why.  I've only worn it a couple times and wasn't running with any pace on either run, but they are incredibly light, springy, and comfortable.  I'm planning a tempo run on Saturday and can't wait to use them.

FWIW, I ended up getting them here at road runner sports for $160.

More reviews

ETA -- And the Endorphin speed just came out and seems to also be a homerun.  It starts at $160 and you can similarly get it for less at some spots if you look (like road runner above with the VIP program)

 

[MAC_32]

Also want to second this.  I am frugal bordering on cheap with a bit of a Luddite streak to boot, but as a data nerd can't recommend a running watch enough.  You will get more accurate tracking than with your phone, and having pace data right on your wrist during a race (you can also make it buzz if you're going too fast or slow) is awesome.

I look at it way too frequently while I'm running, which is the biggest reason I resisted getting one. But because over time I've learned what feels too hard, too easy, and anywhere in between I don't react to it as much as I would have had I gotten it years ago. When I do adjust it's both informed and based on feel, tailored to the particular run that I am in.

I've been easy running around 9 minute miles lately, but I noticed Monday my HR was substantially lower than usual at a sub 9 minute pace. In response I picked up the pace until I got to the right HR, sustained, and did an extra mile. But then I went out for an easier run yesterday and noticed my HR was high just trying to sustain 9 minute pace, so I slowed down and did one less mile than planned. That was in a 158 suck instead of 144, so while it didn't feel harder the increased effort made sense .

And while I haven't been able to use it much for racing because covid it was invaluable having that info on my wrist during the race series. Feeling a little woozy halfway through the 10K but seeing an hr in the low 160's then telling myself to htfu and press on. Then later getting the same feeling, but peaking and seeing a 170 and knowing I need to back it off a nudge or I'd run out of gas.

 

[Zasada]

There's more to it, but that internal tug-of-war contributed to my resisting getting a watch for as long as I did. The 35 fits because it does what i want it to from a data and efficiency perspective and I keep notifications on do not disturb for the vast majority of the day. I basically only turn do not disturb off when I'm expecting a call and am not watching my phone (which is always on silent) or when I'm supposed to be working but am not and aren't near my computer.

I like the watch notifications, because it's much easier to steal a glance at my watch during a meeting than turn on my phone and check that.  I also like the daily/nightly HR/sleep/step tracking that it does.  

But yeah, for its primary use (tracking activities), it's freaking awesome.  Love it.

 

[El Floppo]

Thanks everybody

I'm used to running watches from back innaday. Timex, Garmin, ultimately trained and raced my Tris with a Polar (no GPS, used a foot pod that measured distance).

Without work, I'm ok not spending $100 on gear when I have a phone that will work just fine for now, even if I can't do intervals as easily as I'd like.

 

[MAC_32]

I like the watch notifications, because it's much easier to steal a glance at my watch during a meeting than turn on my phone and check that.  I also like the daily/nightly HR/sleep/step tracking that it does.  

But yeah, for its primary use (tracking activities), it's freaking awesome.  Love it.

I've tried watch notifications three different times - once pre covid, once early covid, and again recently. 

**buzz...buzz...buzz buzz buzz...buzz...buzz buzz...throws watch**

The tracking data you mentioned is great, but that **buzz* is a nightmare.

 

[Zasada]

I've tried watch notifications three different times - once pre covid, once early covid, and again recently. 

**buzz...buzz...buzz buzz buzz...buzz...buzz buzz...throws watch**

The tracking data you mentioned is great, but that **buzz* is a nightmare.

I guess I don't get enough notifications to make it that annoying.  Through the course of a day, maybe a dozen.

 

[JAA]

Euphemism?

I hit the lap key on my Garmin.  Depending on my interval length (time vs track distance) I hit the button when done.  I guess I dont have issue with keeping an eye on time/distance so I dont need any pre-configured plan or tracking.  Meaning, I dont have a scenario where this doesnt work for me.

 

[JAA]

Finished his book not to long ago. Not a fan. 

Really? Why? I thought it was great.

I felt like he glorified injury way too much.  I think that if people follow his advice, the will permanently injure themselves.  And as crazy at this sounds, and when I say crazy I mean arrogant, I dont believe some of his injury stories.  Training on broken legs?  Broken feet?  Destroyed knees?  Way over the top for me and bad advice IMHO.

 

[JAA]

I've tried watch notifications three different times - once pre covid, once early covid, and again recently. 

**buzz...buzz...buzz buzz buzz...buzz...buzz buzz...throws watch**

The tracking data you mentioned is great, but that **buzz* is a nightmare.

You can turn off all that stuff

 

[JAA]

Find your Forerunner 920XT as soon as you can.  They are discontinued but you can find them every so often.

Why?  This is a multi-sport watch which will last ~15 hours on a single charge.  I know this as it did during my first IM.

Best.  Watch.  Ever.

 

[Zasada]

I felt like he glorified injury way too much.  I think that if people follow his advice, the will permanently injure themselves.  And as crazy at this sounds, and when I say crazy I mean arrogant, I dont believe some of his injury stories.  Training on broken legs?  Broken feet?  Destroyed knees?  Way over the top for me and bad advice IMHO.

Maybe I should DBAP and get out running right now!

 

[Dr_Zaius]

I've been easy running around 9 minute miles lately, but I noticed Monday my HR was substantially lower than usual at a sub 9 minute pace. In response I picked up the pace until I got to the right HR, sustained, and did an extra mile. But then I went out for an easier run yesterday and noticed my HR was high just trying to sustain 9 minute pace, so I slowed down and did one less mile than planned. That was in a 158 suck instead of 144, so while it didn't feel harder the increased effort made sense .

I wish I had the confidence that you have in the HR readings - that's my one complaint with my aging 225.  I feel like 20-30% of the time it's just flat out wrong, even excluding the times where it's so obviously wrong that I'm sure I can ignore it (e.g. 95, 218 - both actual readings I have seen during routine runs lol).  When I first got it I tried switching wrists, moving it up or down on the wrist, tightening, etc., and was just never happy with it.  Not sure entirely what the issue is.  My wrists are wide and flat, so that probably doesn't help.  Having a lower cadence and a higher HR probably sends it in and out of cadence lock, which might be part of it.  Bottom line, I can't bring myself to turn the HR monitor off but I just ignore it.  If I really want to know, I will compare it to my fitbit and/or feeling my heart with my hand for 10 seconds and if all agree then I'll put some stock in it.

 

[bushdocda]

Btw, I recently picked up the Saucony Endorphin Pro.

The reviews on this shoe have been top notch and I can see why.  I've only worn it a couple times and wasn't running with any pace on either run, but they are incredibly light, springy, and comfortable.  I'm planning a tempo run on Saturday and can't wait to use them.

FWIW, I ended up getting them here at road runner sports for $160.

More reviews

ETA -- And the Endorphin speed just came out and seems to also be a homerun.  It starts at $160 and you can similarly get it for less at some spots if you look (like road runner above with the VIP program)

Shoeboner here too GB. 

 

[Dr_Zaius]

Maybe I should DBAP and get out running right now!

You've got to want it man - run until your glute falls off!  Then you can maybe hop on one leg until it gives out!  Then army crawl, baby! 

[SIZE=10.5px]NB : I enjoyed jshare's video, but agree with our Resident Elected Official that it's definitely possible to take the "go crazy and don't let anything stop you" attitude too far[/SIZE]

 

[-OZ-]

This is new to me, but I think it's consistent.

Swam long intervals today - 1,000 750 500. Pulled (with buoy) the 750. Effort felt consistent throughout. Pull interval HR was 60bpm lower than when I'm kicking.  Regular swimming has the HR around 200 (doesn't feel anywhere near that hard). Pull was basically low zone 2 / low MAF (is that even a thing?)

I will acknowledge that the pull feels somewhat smoother, but not that big a difference effort-wise. 

 

[Zasada]

@gianmarco

You might have done this already, but using the Marathon Time Converter, the J&J course is worth ~6 minutes vs the Fargo course, at a 3:15ish base.

 

[SteelCurtain]

Find your Forerunner 920XT as soon as you can.  They are discontinued but you can find them every so often.

Why?  This is a multi-sport watch which will last ~15 hours on a single charge.  I know this as it did during my first IM.

Best.  Watch.  Ever.

I use this watch as well.  It’s fabulous.

 

[bushdocda]

Hydration pod...

https://strengthrunning.libsyn.com/147-the-big-hydration-episode-with-sports-scientist-andy-blow

 

[Harris]

I use this watch as well.  It’s fabulous.

Moi aussi. It's a great watch all around. There are times when I think I'll upgrade or get something else new and shiny but then I never have a reason to because the 920XT can do it all.